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Title: Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on September 02, 2004, 09:41:11 pm
Why is it that verywher I go, I gots to post a certain number of posts on their forums before I can rip a load of stuff off their site. I mean, how unfair is that? Being forced to talk to other people just so you can look at some good por.... er, pictures. (seriously, I was joking) I remember the good ol'days when you could go on any site and take all their stuff without a single request from them. Kids these days, always demanding

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Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Smeagol on September 02, 2004, 10:16:41 pm
only problem i get with forums is the sheer number of annoying pricks (not happened here)
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on September 02, 2004, 11:20:05 pm
only problem i get with forums is the sheer number of annoying pricks (not happened here)

Yes, it's a good reference to how many annoying pricks there are in the world.

Let's begin the list:
George W. Bush
........
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Valentine Revolution on September 03, 2004, 12:12:45 am
It's usually way easier just to google pics, but I know what you mean. It sucks, but I guess its just to stop people taking from sites without contributing something in return. *hugs* Cheer up! ^_^
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Smeagol on September 03, 2004, 07:40:41 pm
only problem i get with forums is the sheer number of annoying pricks (not happened here)
Let's begin the list:
George W. Bush
........

George Bush(Snr)
George Bush(Jnr)
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on September 03, 2004, 08:40:08 pm
It's usually way easier just to google pics, but I know what you mean. It sucks, but I guess its just to stop people taking from sites without contributing something in return. *hugs* Cheer up! ^_^

I know, I did Google, but only after I spent half an hour posting on their forums, only to be told I have to make even more posts in order to download these wallpapers at a reasonable size (1024)! Anyway, I found myself a nice Swiss site that gave away the same (pretty much) images for free ;D
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 01, 2004, 11:11:30 pm
George Bush annoying prick?

No because you didn't list: Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Dafur, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedung, Kim Jong II, Momar Kadafi, Jaques Chirac first.

Sorry, that I take offense that someone across the ocean wants to make fun of my president. Also, did you Eurocrats vote for him? Nope. Please don't criticize the person who actually is taking action in the world, so that there will not be a 9-11 in YOUR countries, or a Beslan, or some random Suicidal attacks from fundamental extremists.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Smeagol on October 01, 2004, 11:16:31 pm
taking action, yes, but i feel Bush managed to completly mess up his whole war on terror plan, Iraq is a failure and other extremists have used that as a beacon to launch further attacks.

besides why would anyone bother attacking a little island seperated from Europe? :)
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 01, 2004, 11:19:53 pm
Yes, I stand by my opinion that George W Bush is an annoying prick. That is my opinion which I hold by living in a "democratic" country. I can have opinions of who I wish.

Beside, that was only the start of a list of annoying people and those that you mentioned can also be added as well as Tony Blair and many other leaders.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 01, 2004, 11:20:54 pm
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taking action, yes, but i feel Bush managed to completly mess up his whole war on terror plan, Iraq is a failure and other extremists have used that as a beacon to launch further attacks.

besides why would anyone bother attacking a little island seperated from Europe? :)
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You know, people have always told me, here in America that "OMG Bush is teh Liar!"

Let me ask you one question: You are the president of the United States of America, you know that if you do one thing wrong, hundreds of tabloid papers smear your record faster then you can say "Oops". You have reports from Jordan, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Bill Clinton, and your own CIA, and FBI telling you that its likely Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, and he did have them, no question to that. Keep in mind the Kurdish Genocide in northern Iraq in 1988.

Wouldn't you launch a pre-emptive strike to crush any threat to National security?


EDIT: Iceland or England? Any case, I think I speak on behalf of the United States, thank you for your country's contribution to the War on Iraq and Afghanistan.

Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 01, 2004, 11:31:47 pm
I actually totally understood the "invasion" of Iraq. Saddam was purposely teasing the world with confused reports of weapons or not. Who gives a shit that they found weapons or not, they got rid of that regime. The only problem with that war is forward planning: they did'nt seem to have a plan of how to hand back power that took everything into consideration. That, and all the rebellious bastards who continue fighting because "they hate the West".

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besides why would anyone bother attacking a little island seperated from Europe?

Where is that from?

London is a major world city and very important to the global financial and trade systems. It's as likely a target as New York, Washington or LA.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Smeagol on October 01, 2004, 11:35:10 pm
yes but it'd be harder to target now, the amount of police presence round there now is scary (i was there last tuesday) and also they've also put up a speed camera on the M1 now, with manned police cars around, anyone trying anything wouldn't get too far, Met Police are pretty much some of the best in the country
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Fallout on October 02, 2004, 01:50:29 am


Let me ask you one question: You are the president of the United States of America, you know that if you do one thing wrong, hundreds of tabloid papers smear your record faster then you can say "Oops". You have reports from Jordan, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Bill Clinton, and your own CIA, and FBI telling you that its likely Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, and he did have them, no question to that. Keep in mind the Kurdish Genocide in northern Iraq in 1988.


1 - This is not a question. ^
2 -

Let me ask you one question: You are the president of the United States of America, you are from an evil sick cult thats only intention is world domination, you are corrupt, you sell arms to people then crush them to get your money back,[/i] you know that if you do one thing wrong, hundreds of tabloid papers smear your record faster then you can say "Oops". You are friends with all the rich people in the country, so if you screw up, you can get all the US rich pigs to back you up. You're fine to launch a war on a country that uses donkey-propelled rockets. (http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/04/08/story141963.html) No problems! World domination here you come.[/i]



Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 02, 2004, 02:07:00 am
:o Nice!
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Fallout on October 02, 2004, 01:15:50 pm
I have very strong opinions about Bush..
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Bates on October 02, 2004, 05:39:31 pm
Wouldn't you launch a pre-emptive strike to crush any threat to National security?

Now that's a nice and clean way to put it...

Maybe I'm not as interested in politics as a I should, but on the other hand, but I guess most people aren't. Nobody knows all the facts and usually discussion is reduced to "Bush is  prick" or "Saddam is evil". So I don't even try give my opinion, but what scares me is how people are constantly manipulated.

If you dig deep enough and present your beliefs appropriately (--> propaganda); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES you can come up with proof for every opinion und justify every action - and people will follow like lemmings. We can find numerous examples in history and people always say "Nah, that won't happen again. Nowadays no one would be that stupid". And yet we can witness the first small steps toward such a direction. In language for example.

The media taught us to describe war with euphemisms like "preemptive strike", "precision strike" or "collateral damage". Unbelievable how quick this has become everyday language! And hey it works, it's really a lot easier now to speak about war, isn't it?
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: V-man on October 02, 2004, 05:56:33 pm
well said bateman
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 02, 2004, 07:13:39 pm
I have very strong opinions about Bush..

And I have very strong opinions on the United Nations, the European Union, the former Soviet Union, Islamic Facisms, and Palastine.

But neigh, I'll not express my Amerikkkan Evil powers of Corporate Greed Facism Baby Killing opinions here for fear of getting banned, because it seems Machinae Supremacy shares your views "Fallout", for they have links to Axis of Justice, and Michael Moore.

Axis of Justice? What justice is it turning a blind eye to Iraq and its people?

By the way, my post was based on factual evidence of the records of Saddams weapons of mass destruction and the countries that had intelligence that pointed to his cache. Yours was based on ad hominem attacks on the President himself. Why arn't you attacking Tony Blair, Junichiro Koizumi,  Prime Minister Belka, Prime Minister Oddson,  or John Howard, and calling them corrupt "evil" people?

What country are you from anyway?
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 02, 2004, 08:53:05 pm
Very nicely said Bateman. It is true we are all becoming rather 'complacent' about war. I think it's not only because of the media's 'watering-down' of events by using such terminology as you said, but also because it happens SO DAMN MUCH. There is at least 30 wars happenin on earth every moment, whether border disputes, civil wars or major international conflict. Because of this, I think the world has taken to war as a part of life. They've (and by that I refer to the world population (especially West) in general) begun to accept it - but of course they are always thankful "that it's not happening here".

And Turin, yes it may be unfair for Fallout to attack the President head on, and not other political leaders (although I'm sure he copuld if he could be bothered). But what you must realise is that Bush is the centre of gloval politics, and by being centre of global politics he should expect scrutiny and hate and criticism for everything he does. Please don't be insulted, it's nothing against the American nation, it's merely an attack on the state of the world, which Bush happens to be the centre focus of.

Or maybe Fallout has personal reason to hate Bush...
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 02, 2004, 09:06:31 pm
Very nicely said Bateman. It is true we are all becoming rather 'complacent' about war. I think it's not only because of the media's 'watering-down' of events by using such terminology as you said, but also because it happens SO DAMN MUCH. There is at least 30 wars happenin on earth every moment, whether border disputes, civil wars or major international conflict. Because of this, I think the world has taken to war as a part of life. They've (and by that I refer to the world population (especially West) in general) begun to accept it - but of course they are always thankful "that it's not happening here".

And Turin, yes it may be unfair for Fallout to attack the President head on, and not other political leaders (although I'm sure he copuld if he could be bothered). But what you must realise is that Bush is the centre of gloval politics, and by being centre of global politics he should expect scrutiny and hate and criticism for everything he does. Please don't be insulted, it's nothing against the American nation, it's merely an attack on the state of the world, which Bush happens to be the centre focus of.

Or maybe Fallout has personal reason to hate Bush...


First I would like to say, that War is apart of human instinct and I never think war will ever end. Plato once said "Only the dead have seen the end of War". And yes I would have to agree with that. But you see that some wars are justified and some wars are not. Also I would like to say that the Media in America is increasingly liberal and it doesn't water down the war. It merely escalates it to fuel hatred of the violence that is unanimously hated here. I hate it, we all do, but sometimes its necessary.

Bush is not really the centre of global politics, only the politics and foriegn policy of the United States of America. I think Kofi Annan is more over the centre of global politics. Although he is doing bare minimum to save the poor Sudanese people from Genocide and thereover letting another Rwanda happen.

Some of you never lived through September 11. Some of you never had to sit and watch plane after plane crash into the World Trade Center on national TV. I have grown to realize that the Iraq War is one of those justified wars. But whether it is justified or not is relative to the person. I am sure if Fallout had a friend whose cousin died in the World Trade Center then he would have a different viewpoint on whether what Bush is doing is justified or not. As I know I do. In this reasons are the way I cannot see, how you can call him corrupt and not say someone like Jaques Chirac of France is corrupt? Remember Oil for Food scandal?

I have a personal reason to defend Bush, and I highly doubt Fallout has a personal reason to hate him. Hate is a word that fueld terrorist attacks around the world. I have seen Fallout also want to "assasinate Bush". Why? Explain please.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 02, 2004, 09:22:46 pm
I agree, war is what makes humans humans and it will never go away. Which is why we are so used to it.

But I disagree about your point that some are justified and some are not. All wars are justified to somebody's eyes, whether the outside world also sees it or not (and also whether the person in question has enough reason for it or not).

Kofi Annan should be the centre of global politics. His position says he is. But the fact is he's not seen on television half as much as Bush is. That is why he's the centee, because he is the person that everybody sees.

I think everybody has seen 9/11 and it effected us all, but for you it effected you much more than any of us Europeans could ever imagine. I'm very sorry for it.
But wasn't the Afghanistan War the reply to 9/11. The Iraq War is something else. Yes there was the terrorist activities, but the Iraq War was to expell Saddam Hussein, a threat to America in another way.

Oh, and who gives a shit about France? ;) (and then joins a French person who takes insult to that...)

And also, I do'nt agree with turning a blind eye to issues (whatever that Axis of Justice is). I agree that Bush was right to make a reaction about it. War or not? I do'nt know.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Outboundlight on October 02, 2004, 09:25:51 pm
...so that there will not be a 9-11 in YOUR countries, or a Beslan, or some random Suicidal attacks from fundamental extremists.

I come from Northern Ireland, so y'know - moot point
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 02, 2004, 09:27:46 pm
...so that there will not be a 9-11 in YOUR countries, or a Beslan, or some random Suicidal attacks from fundamental extremists.

I come from Northern Ireland, so y'know - moot point

Oh yeah, and the Basque train attack in Madrid....
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Outboundlight on October 02, 2004, 09:31:30 pm

it's merely an attack on the state of the world, which Bush happens to be the centre focus of.



very insightful there, an excellent point....somehow I doubt that Turin guy is coming back...probably expects the usual flames etc from most forums
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 02, 2004, 09:39:19 pm
Oh he's gone :( I was quite enjoying that.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Fallout on October 02, 2004, 09:51:46 pm
Very nicely said Bateman. It is true we are all becoming rather 'complacent' about war. I think it's not only because of the media's 'watering-down' of events by using such terminology as you said, but also because it happens SO DAMN MUCH. There is at least 30 wars happenin on earth every moment, whether border disputes, civil wars or major international conflict. Because of this, I think the world has taken to war as a part of life. They've (and by that I refer to the world population (especially West) in general) begun to accept it - but of course they are always thankful "that it's not happening here".

And Turin, yes it may be unfair for Fallout to attack the President head on, and not other political leaders (although I'm sure he copuld if he could be bothered). But what you must realise is that Bush is the centre of gloval politics, and by being centre of global politics he should expect scrutiny and hate and criticism for everything he does. Please don't be insulted, it's nothing against the American nation, it's merely an attack on the state of the world, which Bush happens to be the centre focus of.

Or maybe Fallout has personal reason to hate Bush...


First I would like to say, that War is apart of human instinct and I never think war will ever end. Plato once said "Only the dead have seen the end of War". And yes I would have to agree with that. But you see that some wars are justified and some wars are not. Also I would like to say that the Media in America is increasingly liberal and it doesn't water down the war. It merely escalates it to fuel hatred of the violence that is unanimously hated here. I hate it, we all do, but sometimes its necessary.

Bush is not really the centre of global politics, only the politics and foriegn policy of the United States of America. I think Kofi Annan is more over the centre of global politics. Although he is doing bare minimum to save the poor Sudanese people from Genocide and thereover letting another Rwanda happen.

Some of you never lived through September 11. Some of you never had to sit and watch plane after plane crash into the World Trade Center on national TV. I have grown to realize that the Iraq War is one of those justified wars. But whether it is justified or not is relative to the person. I am sure if Fallout had a friend whose cousin died in the World Trade Center then he would have a different viewpoint on whether what Bush is doing is justified or not. As I know I do. In this reasons are the way I cannot see, how you can call him corrupt and not say someone like Jaques Chirac of France is corrupt? Remember Oil for Food scandal?

I have a personal reason to defend Bush, and I highly doubt Fallout has a personal reason to hate him. Hate is a word that fueld terrorist attacks around the world. I have seen Fallout also want to "assasinate Bush". Why? Explain please.

1 - i cant be arsed pointing out other corrupt leaders, because i would be typing out the entire list of politicians in the entire world. everyone is corrupt these days, and you just have to live with it. it helps blow off some steam with some bush-hating sometimes though, because he, no matter how much you deny it, IS the centre of global politics.

2 - i cannot seem to recall when i have wanted to "assassinate bush." but still, i wanna anyway coz hes a f00l.

2.5 - Echelon has probably picked up "Assassinate" and "Bush" in the same sentence and is now sending over cops to question me... *hides*

3 - war is -NEVER- nessacary.r />
4 - if i had a cousin that died in the WTC attacks, no i wouldnt beleive that war was the right way forward. think of all the iraqi people's cousins. some guy in the UK might have had a cousin that died in the wars by american hands. its just needless war. i know different people have different views but im sure everyone agrees with me here that war is NOT nessacary, ever. there were ways around that war in Iraq; a peace treaty, assassinate Saddam, assassinate fucking BUSH. but im not in the mood to talk politics. if i was, this post would be pages long. and turin, im from the UK. i'd just like to point out that i hate -all- world leaders, not just bush.

All in favour of hating world leaders, raise your hand.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 02, 2004, 09:58:00 pm
~raises hand~

No, war is never necessary. There should always be a reasonable way around it. There would be if everyone's considerate and rational, but people rarely are, and so we have wars. Depressing, but true. And that brings me back in a perfect circle to my point that there are many annoying pricks in the world starting with (note that I said starting and that I said it was the beginning of my list the first time round): Bush.


Oh yeah, see my signiture? I've had for a little while now. That song is about his feelings when he woke up one morning and saw the planes crash into WTC. I think the line I quoted is significant about the different reactions people had to those events.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Fallout on October 02, 2004, 10:02:55 pm
and;

Tony Blair,
Saddam Hussein,
Osama Bin Laden,

(the french leader, the german leader, the russian leader... you get my point.)
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Einkoro on October 02, 2004, 11:07:43 pm
Let's hope for WW3, then according to the timeline we'll launch our first warp capable ship and the vulcans will visit us and then we'll form the federation! I want my starships! Phasers! :P

/me goes back to watching ST:TNG
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 02, 2004, 11:38:46 pm
Well my friends from Europe.

What is the reasonable way of dealing with Islamic Facism and Terrorism?

You say theres a way around, so answer.

I'll check back later tonight.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 03, 2004, 12:01:45 am
Why is war necessary? Why is the death of hundreds, thousands, millions of people, whether military or civilian - men, women, children - from either side of the conflict, such an easy choice to make? Why must a dispute turn into bloodshed. Wha'ts the point of so many to suffer that by the end of it there are less to see the after-effects.

War is horrible, war is vicious, it's scary and it's wrong. Wrong because it takes so much away.

I ca'nt give an answer to your question. If I could I would be announcing it on national television and the world's eyes would open and see the logic. But I can't; I'm a 20-yr-old university student sitting at home and talking on a band message board. I do'nt have answers, I just have opinions and my opinion is that war is a terrible thing to have. I just wish...
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Fallout on October 03, 2004, 12:40:13 am
Well my friends from Europe.

What is the reasonable way of dealing with Islamic Facism and Terrorism?

You say theres a way around, so answer.

I'll check back later tonight.

We arent expert tactitians.
But i can give you a clue as to how it could have been resolved peacefully:

A peace treaty. - Saddam agrees to destroy his *american accent* "weapons of mASS destruction" for a small fee.. err bribe.

Or, more preferably:

Assassination of Saddam. - Simple, just get someone into Iraqi ranks, and get him to assassinate the bastard.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 03, 2004, 02:25:53 am
Why is war necessary? Why is the death of hundreds, thousands, millions of people, whether military or civilian - men, women, children - from either side of the conflict, such an easy choice to make? Why must a dispute turn into bloodshed. Wha'ts the point of so many to suffer that by the end of it there are less to see the after-effects.

War is horrible, war is vicious, it's scary and it's wrong. Wrong because it takes so much away.

I ca'nt give an answer to your question. If I could I would be announcing it on national television and the world's eyes would open and see the logic. But I can't; I'm a 20-yr-old university student sitting at home and talking on a band message board. I do'nt have answers, I just have opinions and my opinion is that war is a terrible thing to have. I just wish...

My answer to that a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

But you have to understand that you do not sit and ponder about whether or not to attack a threat. You do not wait until it hits you in the ass again. You must be swift and decisive.

War is horrible and vicious, but so was the September 11th attacks onto people who did not enlist to fight. They were no different then you or me on a band message board. So are the Beslan attacks in Chechnya. Just normal kids going to school, they never wanted to fight. So are the suicide attacks in Israel. So are brutalization of Muslim women under Shari'ah law in Islamic countries. To prevent all of these, is war still horrible and vicious? Yes. But the key is to prevent more horrible and vicious acts.


Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 03, 2004, 02:31:25 am
Well my friends from Europe.

What is the reasonable way of dealing with Islamic Facism and Terrorism?

You say theres a way around, so answer.

I'll check back later tonight.

We arent expert tactitians.
But i can give you a clue as to how it could have been resolved peacefully:

A peace treaty. - Saddam agrees to destroy his *american accent* "weapons of mASS destruction" for a small fee.. err bribe.

Or, more preferably:

Assassination of Saddam. - Simple, just get someone into Iraqi ranks, and get him to assassinate the bastard.

Exactly, we arn't expert tacticians. They are. The corrupt "global leaders".

Ok lets say Saddam takes a "bribe" to stop developing WMDS, whats to stop him from starting up?

Lets say we get a CIA official to go in and snipe him. Job completed. Then Iran says "Hey WTF?!" And then Saudi Arabia says "WTF AMERIKKA?" Then, another member of the Baath party rises up more brutal and terrorifying then Saddam ever was. Example being Uday Hussein, the man who threw women into rape rooms for being sexually impure. You have to realize that killing one man will not stop a whole idealogy of hate. Thats like killing George Bush and thinking that it will end the Republican party. You cannot, simply because there are thousands in his administration. Also the Vice President Dick Cheney. And in the event he is assassinated, the Secretary of Defense jumps in.

There arn't simple solutions to big problems. If you are not a "expert" tactician, why are implying it is so simple?

Also, you stated that War is never neccesary.

Was it neccesary when Hitler was trying to counquer all of Europe and Britain pre-emptively attacked him?
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 03, 2004, 01:12:30 pm
11th attacks onto people who did not enlist to fight. They were no different then you or me on a band message board. So are the Beslan attacks in Chechnya. Just normal kids going to school, they never wanted to fight. So are the suicide attacks in Israel. So are brutalization of Muslim women under Shari'ah law in Islamic countries. To prevent all of these, is war still horrible and vicious? Yes. But the key is to prevent more horrible and vicious acts.

That was my point. Why must hundreds of civilians be hurt in order for somebody else's cause. My point is that I hate anybody that starts wars/attacks/whatever on others where innocent, unsuspecting individuals are mercilessly caught up in the violence.

What you must understand, Turin, is that, from my own point of view, I hate everyone. Anybody that acts in the knowledge that people will get hurt in the process, whether directly or indirectly.

Of course, things are inevitable, if somebody attacks or threatens you, one of your few options is to fight back (and you can't run away from the world). But if everybody stopped and thought and would stop just reacting to other's actions then we might live in a better world. The best example of this is Israel/Palestine conflict. Palestine's bomb, Israel's attack with tanks, Palestine's react with another bomb, Israel attacks... and so on. I wish they hadn't had a reason to react in the first place, then that place wouldn't be so screwed up.

Why did Hitler want to conquer Europe? Because he wanted to make Germany great again. Why? Because it had suffered so badly after it lost the First World War. Why? Because it had sided with the Austro-Hungarians, whose leader had been assassinated by Serbians who desired independence. If the damn Austrians had listened to those Serbian freedom fighters in the first place then maybe the world wouldn't have gone to war, twice!

My point: everything is a reaction. We need to backtrack.

My standpoint isn't an attack on America, it's an attack on the world.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Smeagol on October 03, 2004, 03:54:09 pm
Was it neccesary when Hitler was trying to counquer all of Europe and Britain pre-emptively attacked him?

Britian only attacked after Hitler turned his eyes towards France, a faithful ally of Britain, if they had stayed back Britian would have gone down too, the whole of europe under Nazi rule. Sometimes war is neccesary to stop things like that, but there is normally a better alternative
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Fallout on October 03, 2004, 04:26:46 pm
Was it neccesary when Hitler was trying to counquer all of Europe and Britain pre-emptively attacked him?

Britian only attacked after Hitler turned his eyes towards France, a faithful ally of Britain, if they had stayed back Britian would have gone down too, the whole of europe under Nazi rule. Sometimes war is neccesary to stop things like that, but there is normally a better alternative

Well said, but thats the -only- type of war that is nessacary. WIPING OUT NAZI SCUM :D:D:D
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 03, 2004, 05:14:13 pm
and Kurt, you forgot him
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Fallout on October 03, 2004, 06:36:21 pm
yeah, and kurt.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 03, 2004, 06:42:12 pm
and Kurt, you forgot him

Who? Who's this Kurt? I've never noticed him....

^ sarcasm, yay
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 03, 2004, 06:42:15 pm
Was it neccesary when Hitler was trying to counquer all of Europe and Britain pre-emptively attacked him?

Britian only attacked after Hitler turned his eyes towards France, a faithful ally of Britain, if they had stayed back Britian would have gone down too, the whole of europe under Nazi rule. Sometimes war is neccesary to stop things like that, but there is normally a better alternative

Wrong, shows you what you know about history.  ::)

Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 1st, Britain and France gave him an ultimatum to cease the attack. On September 3rd, Britain and France both declared war on Germany.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Turin on October 03, 2004, 06:44:58 pm
Quote from: Fallout
Well said, but thats the -only- type of war that is nessacary. WIPING OUT NAZI SCUM
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This is a foolish comment. Nazis or Islamic Extremists? Both kill Jews. Both are radical and irrational. Are you saying you think Saddam is not as much of a threat to freedom as Hitler was?

Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 03, 2004, 06:51:22 pm
i think he may have been trying to inject some humour into the thread, obviously i was wrong
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Laser.T on October 03, 2004, 07:03:32 pm
Wrong, shows you what you know about history.  ::)

Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 1st, Britain and France gave him an ultimatum to cease the attack. On September 3rd, Britain and France both declared war on Germany.

Had the USSR joined Britain and France in that ultimatum, then the threat may have been large enough to discourage the Nazis and cause them to avoid war with the 3 most powerful states in Europe at once. This means that war may have been avoided, at least for some time.
Title: Re:Damn admin always want something...
Post by: Turin on October 03, 2004, 07:07:54 pm
Wrong, shows you what you know about history.  ::)

Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 1st, Britain and France gave him an ultimatum to cease the attack. On September 3rd, Britain and France both declared war on Germany.

Had the USSR joined Britain and France in that ultimatum, then the threat may have been large enough to discourage the Nazis and cause them to avoid war with the 3 most powerful states in Europe at once. This means that war may have been avoided, at least for some time.

The USSR, at the time that Germany invaded Poland, was ill equiped to enter a major war with Germany. Their weapons were far inferior to that of the Nazis.

But then again Soviet forces seized eastern Poland in September 1939; entered Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania (which were later converted into Soviet republics) in October 1939; and seized the Romanian territories of Bessarabia (later incorporated into the Moldavian Republic) and northern Bukovina (later added to the Ukrainian Republic) in June 1940.

Whos side were they on?
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Post by: Laser.T on October 03, 2004, 07:12:52 pm
Their own.

They may have been ill-equipped, but it would've been a major struggle to face enemies from 3 fronts. Even Hitler would'nt've been stupid enough to immediately declared war on all 3.

Hitler later found out that the Russian front was unmanageable when the cold weather was too much for the Nazi troops.
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Post by: Einkoro on October 03, 2004, 11:01:57 pm
Was it neccesary when Hitler was trying to counquer all of Europe and Britain pre-emptively attacked him?

Britian only attacked after Hitler turned his eyes towards France, a faithful ally of Britain, if they had stayed back Britian would have gone down too, the whole of europe under Nazi rule. Sometimes war is neccesary to stop things like that, but there is normally a better alternative

Wrong, shows you what you know about history.  ::)

Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 1st, Britain and France gave him an ultimatum to cease the attack. On September 3rd, Britain and France both declared war on Germany.
While they did declare war, they did not actually physically attack Germany until after France was attacked. So technically, he was correct.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Outboundlight on October 03, 2004, 11:35:41 pm


to be honest, I actually think that its fair enough to wage war on saddam, I mean lets face it the guy was laying the genocide down on his own people. All the smoke and mirror bullshit about WOMD was just silly. If bush and bliar had just come out and said we are goign to war because:

1) this guy is a fucking genocidal maniac and it doesnt seem like anyone is going to stop him.

2) we want his oil

3) he has a shitty moustache

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Post by: Laser.T on October 03, 2004, 11:51:40 pm
3) he has a shitty moustache

NEVER trust a man in a moustache. The bigger, and more well-cut, the moustache the more deceitful he is.

Hmmm, yeah.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 03, 2004, 11:52:56 pm
bigger, more decietful


Hitler anyone? :)
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 04, 2004, 03:17:07 am
Yes, but if they had used those reasons, they would have had to attack a few friendly states as well, which are also rather oppressive to their people.
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Post by: Laser.T on October 04, 2004, 02:06:59 pm
Yes, but if they had used those reasons, they would have had to attack a few friendly states as well, which are also rather oppressive to their people.

Yeah, we won't we attack Mugabe, who was being rather nasty to his own population. Tha'ts because, "we like him" politically, even though he's a bastard.
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Post by: Fallout on October 04, 2004, 09:00:05 pm
i think he may have been trying to inject some humour into the thread, obviously i was wrong

Lol, humour indeed :) nazi's are still scum though ;D

Quote from: Fallout
Well said, but thats the -only- type of war that is nessacary. WIPING OUT NAZI SCUM
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This is a foolish comment. Nazis or Islamic Extremists? Both kill Jews. Both are radical and irrational. Are you saying you think Saddam is not as much of a threat to freedom as Hitler was?



Ah let them all wipe themselves out, who cares? As long as they dont attack the UK im fine.. oh and Sweden :) and Ireland, and Canada.. but who's gonna attack canada? :p They are no threat to anyone!! XD
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Post by: Turin on October 04, 2004, 10:24:03 pm
Quote from: Fallout
Ah let them all wipe themselves out, who cares? As long as they dont attack the UK im fine.. oh and Sweden  and Ireland, and Canada.. but who's gonna attack canada? :p They are no threat to anyone!! XD
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I really though I had proved my point and this thread would go away. But I guess not.

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:gUhV24ZOxycJ:www.september11news.com/TVScreenCNNBreakingNews.jpg)

"There is no terrorists threat."
-Michael Moore

.... One day when a bomb explodes in a crowded UK subway, you'll change your mind.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Outboundlight on October 05, 2004, 03:36:14 am
I think its maybe time to realise that people are taking humour in antagonising you because you appear to be very opinionated, just loosen up man. I mean a shit load of atrocities have happened in my own city, not to mention my country but you dont see me getting all up tight about british people, irish people, catholics or protestants or whatever. I mean if I came on here saying "oh no one should say anything bad about gerry adams cuz blah blah blah" I would expect a bit of a ribbing.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Einkoro on October 05, 2004, 08:18:16 am
I dunno but this (http://www.jesusishitler.com/) feels on topic.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Outboundlight on October 05, 2004, 04:57:33 pm
my point exactly  ;D
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Post by: Laser.T on October 05, 2004, 09:25:50 pm
Somehow..... don't ask me how, but somehow, I don't think that site has reputable proof. Interesting theory though and one that I'm sure will NOT be used by an Oxbridge Professor of Biblical Studies.

Although it is true that the Swastika is based on the Christian cross. I seem to remember it was taken from the symbol of the Knights Templar, but do'nt quote me on that!
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 05, 2004, 11:49:17 pm
Somehow..... don't ask me how, but somehow, I don't think that site has reputable proof. Interesting theory though and one that I'm sure will NOT be used by an Oxbridge Professor of Biblical Studies.

i'd use it if i was an Oxbridge Professor of Biblical Studies ;D wooo sack time!
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Post by: MDX on October 05, 2004, 11:50:48 pm
FUCK THAT!

WINE AND BEER AND WEED!

w0000909090909090 9? fuck off 9 who fucking invited u dickhead.. fucks sake.. such a party stopper.. fucking.. 9... ffs.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Outboundlight on October 06, 2004, 12:11:02 am
Somehow..... don't ask me how, but somehow, I don't think that site has reputable proof. Interesting theory though and one that I'm sure will NOT be used by an Oxbridge Professor of Biblical Studies.

Although it is true that the Swastika is based on the Christian cross. I seem to remember it was taken from the symbol of the Knights Templar, but do'nt quote me on that!

I most certainly will not considering that the swastika is actually an inverted buddhist symbol.

also the symbol of hte templars wasa red cross with pointy pits at the ends....google it if u really wanna kno
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Post by: MDX on October 06, 2004, 12:14:08 am
woah.. a v and a t... fucking wow
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 06, 2004, 12:15:28 am
Somehow..... don't ask me how, but somehow, I don't think that site has reputable proof. Interesting theory though and one that I'm sure will NOT be used by an Oxbridge Professor of Biblical Studies.

Although it is true that the Swastika is based on the Christian cross. I seem to remember it was taken from the symbol of the Knights Templar, but do'nt quote me on that!

I most certainly will not considering that the swastika is actually an inverted buddhist symbol.

also the symbol of hte templars wasa red cross with pointy pits at the ends....google it if u really wanna kno


Yeah, you're probably right. I mean. that came off the top of my head from an absolutely unknown source. It will now be documented in a file know as "Stuff I Made Up"
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 06, 2004, 12:18:15 am
if i had one of them it'd be about 16 pages now...it involves the words stable, windows and 95
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Einkoro on October 06, 2004, 07:06:16 am
Obviously it's just crap put together for laughs. How can a fictional character be Hitler anyway?
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: JariWolf on October 06, 2004, 05:19:59 pm


to be honest, I actually think that its fair enough to wage war on saddam, I mean lets face it the guy was laying the genocide down on his own people. All the smoke and mirror bullshit about WOMD was just silly. If bush and bliar had just come out and said we are goign to war because:

1) this guy is a fucking genocidal maniac and it doesnt seem like anyone is going to stop him.

2) we want his oil

3) he has a shitty moustache


True but they would never admit that the biggest reason to attack was just to get oil. Terrorists from Afganistan attack USA. USA attacks Afganistans Talebans. Why stop there?  Bush doesn't care about the lower class American people. Lower class people that some go to war as soldiers because it's the only job available and they help to serve their country. Bush has also nicely lowered the pay of soldiers. He cares about what's good for him and his friends. Attack on Iraq being good financially for his oil companies and war industry.

Iraq never threatened to attack USA but USA attacks Iraq bacause they say Iraq is dangerous. Iraq hardly being dangerous to other world countries. Iraq never went on a conquering spree like the nazis in WWII so I don't think it's fair to compare them to the nazi's.

I don't think it's okay to attack a country you don't like because that's what Bush was doing. They didn't attack to liberate Iraq. They made up evidence and scared people that Iraq was a threat so they could get the oil. They brought up OLD photos from so called weapons of mass destruction when it was more convenient. When they needed a reason to attack.

Bush doesn't care how many American's die in Iraq just as he gets his oil and Iraq is good for business. They didn't help the Iraq people. Sure they got rid of Saddam but many civilians die and are still dying. They are robbing the country. Yes, the Iraq people won't be seeing the money USA oilcompanies get for themselves. The civilians live much worse now. The country is in chaos and ruins.

I have also other reasons to hate Bush. His views on peoples rights and not agreeing with environmental issues because it would be bad for business, not allowing him to drill some more oil and get that cash.        
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Post by: Outboundlight on October 06, 2004, 07:37:29 pm
Well as it happens, Iraq was first invaded by America and Britain in direct response to the iraqi invasion of Iran in the early 90s, so to say Iraq never tried to conquer anywhere isnt exactly true.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: JariWolf on October 06, 2004, 07:55:39 pm
I didn't say they didn't attack another country. I said they didn't go to a conquering spree like the nazis.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 06, 2004, 09:25:45 pm
I'd just like to point this out:

Man kills someone in UK: He gets a "life" sentence - about 30 years in the end.

Man kills some people in USA: He's executed.

Man leads a country by terror, fanticalism and fascism and through processes of ethnic cleansing and single-party dominance where many thousands of people are murdered/killed: He goes on trial for ten years before a court decides what to do with him! And in some cases ends up under house arrest for the rest of his life!

WTF!!!! This world is totally screwed up.

"The death of one is a tragedy; the death of a million is just a statistic."
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 06, 2004, 10:36:02 pm
Kill one man you are a murder
Kill ten men and you are a monster
Kill one hundred men and you are a hero
Kill one thousand men and you are a legend
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Einkoro on October 06, 2004, 11:01:52 pm
"When you kill one, it is a tragedy. When you kill ten million, it is a statistic." - Stalin

One of my favourites. Though my favourite is probably:

"There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others," - Niccolo Machiavelli
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 06, 2004, 11:17:57 pm
"When you kill one, it is a tragedy. When you kill ten million, it is a statistic." - Stalin

That's the one!
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Outboundlight on October 07, 2004, 04:41:48 am
Kill one man you are a murder
Kill ten men and you are a monster
Kill one hundred men and you are a hero
Kill one thousand men and you are a legend

wow, really?

i should get right on that
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Boaz on October 07, 2004, 05:06:14 am
the only problem is killing 1000 before ur arrested
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Einkoro on October 07, 2004, 08:09:34 am
the only problem is killing 1000 before ur arrested
Kill anyone trying to arrest you, it's simple!
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 07, 2004, 08:25:53 pm
the only problem is killing 1000 before ur arrested
Kill anyone trying to arrest you, it's simple!

It's GTA.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Bates on October 07, 2004, 08:29:28 pm
Ah, finally that political discussion is over!!!  ;D
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 07, 2004, 08:31:39 pm
Ah, finally that political discussion is over!!!  ;D

Only because Turin left.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Bates on October 07, 2004, 08:45:28 pm
So did we ignorant European communist jerks scare him off?  ;D
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 07, 2004, 08:49:55 pm
LOL. I think so. Our "wrong" opinions were too much for him.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Fallout on October 08, 2004, 08:58:50 pm
i bet if i say that BUSH SUCKS then he'll google the forum and come back again. ;D
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 22, 2004, 08:18:33 pm
i bet if i say that BUSH SUCKS then he'll google the forum and come back again. ;D

yay! BUSH SUCKS! ;D

(for some reason this was left unread on page 3..... i'm worried)
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 22, 2004, 09:07:53 pm
i bet if i say that BUSH SUCKS then he'll google the forum and come back again. ;D

yay! BUSH SUCKS! ;D

(for some reason this was left unread on page 3..... i'm worried)

Tha'ts because Turin isn't on anymore, and really no-one gives a shit about that dumbass of a president to make them want to talk about him. It's only when Turin told me off for calling Bush a prick or something that the whole debate started.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 22, 2004, 09:32:50 pm
i maintain that turin is Bush.....
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 22, 2004, 10:10:50 pm
No, I think Turin was that little radio transceiver that Bush had under the back of his suit-jacket at that political debate last week.
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 22, 2004, 10:13:19 pm
ROFLMAO!!!

hehe, maybe, but it wasn't teenage mutant ninja turtle shapoed was it??

on another note, looking through my graphic drivers, i came across a file called mdxredist


seems the little bugger is everywhere, it's subliminal messaging to get everyone to listen to Angelblade ;)
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Laser.T on October 22, 2004, 10:16:35 pm
My god! And did you delete mdxredist appropriately? No telling what an mdx file ould do to your computer. For example, instead of the welcome jingle when you turn on windows, you get 2 hours of constant screaming before you can start anything. :D
Title: Re:Damn admin... + World Affairs
Post by: Smeagol on October 22, 2004, 10:20:41 pm
er.....uhoh.......


the welcome jingle is evil anyway!, 2 hours of constant screaming? it's been done. They're caled the people who listened to any spice girls album