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Title: Oil Crisis
Post by: Torp v2.0 on February 14, 2004, 02:06:55 pm
I was surfing the net, and found this quite disturbing page, which I urge you all to read. Sure, he might seem a bit pessimistic and overreactive, but still, his sceneario is fully possible...
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html (http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html)
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Outboundlight on February 15, 2004, 08:12:26 pm
myeh i didnt read all that but umm....shit.
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Smeagol on February 16, 2004, 12:50:45 am
yeah pretty much...never knew oil was used so much though...thx for bringin up the end of the world there torp
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Torp v2.0 on February 24, 2004, 07:25:51 pm
My pleasure...

Just thought I'd inform everybody, so that when it happens, we'll at least be somewhat prepared. And in the end, the Cult of the Machinae will rule the world, because I prepared you all....
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Smeagol on February 24, 2004, 08:04:38 pm
My pleasure...

Just thought I'd inform everybody, so that when it happens, we'll at least be somewhat prepared. And in the end, the Cult of the Machinae will rule the world, because I prepared you all....

well what'd be LEFT of the world  hehehehe wow the cult of machine will rule all 500 000 people! wow 500 000 people more we can eat just cos they don't belong to machinae  ;D FUN!
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Torp v2.0 on February 24, 2004, 08:21:43 pm
Eat? Nah. We'll need them for...other...purposes...like:

reproduction
food gathering
general work, so that we don't need to do it...
reproduction
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Bearfoot on February 24, 2004, 11:24:25 pm
I wouldn't be too worried about feul crises considering that there is a device that was featured in real publications that can not only remove the oil from used tires in a safe manner, but can render turkey bones and skin, a major biproduct of the turkey industry, into something useable as oil...

It's pretty cool.. they say that given the proper time to research they can turn just about anything into oillike substances...

I'll see if I can't find a link somewhere...
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Gravehill on February 25, 2004, 08:23:13 pm
If we are out of oil we have other methods to produce energy. Like methanol, ethanol, wood (carbon monoxide has been used in cars, for example); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES natural gas (from shit and junkyards) and so on... We have not tried even use solar power to it's maximum!

Sure, it will be less and it will be more expensive but then again, oil companies have done all they could to prevent inventing new forms to produce mobile forms of energy. It's time to wake up but I would not see this situation as bad as some most pessimistic scientist are. What I'm worried about is how nature can handle all gasses our cars and industry produces?
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Bearfoot on February 25, 2004, 10:42:10 pm
Hey, I use a form of transportation that is environmentally freindly and uses common foodstuffs for fuel.

My own two feet... :D
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Gravehill on February 26, 2004, 12:11:40 am
Your own two bearfeet...  ;D
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Trezker on February 26, 2004, 04:20:21 am
Yeah! Bearfeeet ! Rock on!

(I'm so drunk I can't control myself)
SHiy!" dAMNIT , i CAN HARDLY see straigth.
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Bearfoot on February 26, 2004, 05:42:57 am
Sleep it off, dude.. and I promise I'll talk quietly tommorow.. :D
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Trezker on February 26, 2004, 10:04:02 am
Well, I slept it off, most of it, and Futurama on the TV all night  long :)
I fell asleep at the end of a Star Trek episode, and woke up to Futurama :)

I'm in full control of myself now, but my head is a bit fuzzy, like when you're tired :)
I have not yet suffered any bad sideeffects from drinking :)
My body really handles poison well, though I don't know what will happen after five strong beers... I think I should avoid finding out. :)
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: chompy on February 26, 2004, 10:40:43 am
Well, I slept it off, most of it, and Futurama on the TV all night  long :)
I fell asleep at the end of a Star Trek episode, and woke up to Futurama :)

funny you should mention futurerama, I watched it last night. snu snu?
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Bearfoot on February 27, 2004, 12:29:39 am
True, that is funny, considering I just downloaded and watched about 30 episodes myself.. wish I had caught it on TV.. it's a good show.

(Not all at once, by the way.)
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Trezker on February 27, 2004, 10:29:47 am
Well, after futurama, I watched Star Trek - Deep Space Nine from 9-16, well, some of it was pretty foggy, the lack of food made me feel a bit bad in the afternoon.

Now I've rested and fed properly though.
Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Torp v2.0 on February 29, 2004, 04:13:40 pm
I think many of you people didn't read the link I gave you.

Alternative energy sources:

Well, we got a lot of them, but the problem is that they're in need of research and construction to be used. But to do this, we need oil. 85% of our energy usage comes from fossil fuels.

"Solar power

Solar power currently supplies .006% of global energy supply.  As a replacement for fossil fuels, it suffers from several deficiencies:

1.  Energy from solar power varies constantly with weather or day/night.

2.  Not practical for transportation needs.  While a handful of small, experimental, solar powered vehicles have been built, solar power is unsuited for planes, boats, cars, tanks, etc. . .

3.  Solar cannot be adapted to produce pesticides, fertilizer, or plastics.

4.  Solar is susceptible to the effects of global climate change."

As for ethanol, according to the linked website it requires about 70% more energy to make than you get out of it. This sounds quite reasonable, though I haven't checked it out.

But now I got to go...

Title: Re:Oil Crisis
Post by: Gravehill on February 29, 2004, 05:10:48 pm
Like I said oilcompanies have tried to prevent research of alternative powersources. If the shit hit the fan someday, I'm only happy for it. There is always alternatives for human life. As long as we get food (yes, you can grow food without fertilizers, antibiotics or genetics. It's better that way. NATURE is full of food unless you live in city and have forgotten natural way of life) and medical healthcare there is no problem. There is lots of expertize in world how to do healthcare in poor conditions with little or no medicins at all.

I'm not afraid of these things. What I'm afraid is how nature will live. We are alive 'cause of nature, not 'cause oil. If oil ends it means no end to life. Our way of life, maybe but like I say there is other ways of life too. If nature ends, all life ends (us too). So, as long as my friend nature does fine, I'm fine. I know how to use carbonmonoxide, alcohol and solarpower to maintain little electricity for me and my family. And electricity has been around only so little time. And cars... We could drive less. Nature would do better if we would drive less. If oil ends, business systems collapse. I don't care how megacorporations end up. They suffer most. My neighbours baker would do fine without oil. Grain for those breads are produced locally anyways. Best thing one can do is buy products that are produced locally or with natures methods (or with "fair trade" anyways).

I do buy movies and CD's... They use very much oil to produce one disc, I know. Those are things I might miss if oil ends but I can live without them. Humankind has lived several thousands of years without electricity, movies and CD's. Sure, lots of people might die if oil ends (for diseases and such) but there are so much people dying today for same reasons anyway. Kids, women and elder people in many parts of Africa for example. How we are different than those people? Why we start crying only when the hammer hits our fingers?

I don't care about ending of oil. We have not shared it equally anyways. If we cannot be brothers and sisters and do what is right then why we should think that nature would treat us differently than we do to nature and to eachother? It's good that people are starting to see what we have done wrong already but like that article stated out : some people have seen it decades ago.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Smeagol on June 21, 2005, 10:38:11 pm
Quote
The threat of crude oil at $60 a barrel continues to loom over markets, as oil prices hit new records on Tuesday.

US light crude pushed its way to $59.70 a barrel on Tuesday, breaking records for the second day in a row.

Or in graphical form:

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40646000/gif/_40646080_light_crude_gra203.gif)
 

And so it begins. Looks like that site was right...
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: L'homme magique on June 21, 2005, 10:42:30 pm
You're winer!
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: MDX on June 22, 2005, 01:53:01 pm
My dad works on an oil rig.

Does that mean ill die first?
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Torp v2.0 on June 22, 2005, 03:52:46 pm
Yes.

Now, for todays oil prices, you'll have to remember that there's a bit of global politics in it as well. The war in Iraq made the oil price shoot upwards, and I believe much of the rise in oil price can be traced back to the war.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Trezker on June 22, 2005, 05:01:44 pm
Well, I don't care much. I don't have a car anymore.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: MDX on June 22, 2005, 05:23:52 pm
I will go down covered in oil, and fighting.. yea.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Smeagol on June 22, 2005, 06:15:32 pm
Well, I don't care much. I don't have a car anymore.

Oil is used for far much more than fuel, which you can find out if you follow the link Torp provided (assuming it's still up).
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Trezker on June 22, 2005, 09:27:44 pm
Yeah, but I'm not using it directly.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Jack Lupino on June 23, 2005, 11:54:07 pm
FUCK !!!!

WE'RE ALL DOOMED !!!!

ARKALNLKEANF

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK


umm lol
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 04, 2005, 12:58:39 pm
I will go down covered in oil, and fighting.. yea.

I'll come visit you with a box of matches, or a Zippo, or something. Could you please cover yourself in gasoline, rather than raw oil?
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: MDX on July 04, 2005, 06:30:26 pm
But it looks more hardcore.. plus ill be naked, so which do you want to see? blob of oil, or lean mean MDX naked machine.

*cough*
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Bates on July 05, 2005, 12:13:47 am
The blob! The BLOB!
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: MDX on July 05, 2005, 12:37:13 pm
If i was a superhero i wouldnt be called the blob, spiderman would be my name, and id murder peter park but not before making him bite off my arm. So i get his infection, and then get a bionic arm, from that dude in mortal kombat.

Jax.

haha..

yes.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Outboundlight on July 06, 2005, 07:56:03 pm
bwahaha, any superhero but the green lantern. what a tool.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: MDX on July 06, 2005, 09:37:54 pm
a tool of the JLA, mind you.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Bates on July 06, 2005, 10:05:42 pm
Or the JSA, referring to Alan Scott.  :P
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Outboundlight on July 07, 2005, 01:33:17 am
a tool of the JLA, mind you.

he's dragging them down!
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: MDX on July 07, 2005, 06:02:30 pm
Batman and Superman should chuck him tbh. Theyre the real powerheads in that group.

If they dont i fucking will.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Jack Lupino on July 07, 2005, 06:15:40 pm
Batman and Superman should chuck him tbh. Theyre the real powerheads in that group.

If they dont i fucking will.

Haha, i just saw that site of stupid comic covers with superman and batman
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: MDX on July 08, 2005, 04:01:20 am
Batman vs Superman is going to be made if the new superman movie next year wrakes in enough at the box office.

Christian Bale and Brandon Routh (new superman) signed a contract to agree to this.

not only that, but batman begins is a totally new franchise, basically the pitch is that Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin (thank fuck), never existed. Theyre starting from scratch, which is cool. The Batman vs. Superman pitch will be interesting though, i know there is alot of darker comics about batman being bad and superman being good and them fighting, and vice versa.

Ideas like, what if superman had arrived at earth 8 hours late, then due to the earth doing its rotating thing, it wouldnt have had him landing in kansas, he woulda landed in russia, which makes his furure a communist one, stuff like that. Its nuts.


YOURE FUCKING NUTS.

wait.. think i need somebody to reply first. *waits*
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Bates on July 08, 2005, 12:34:25 pm
It's quite common that they change comic characters and their history every decade or so to keep them up to date. Right now, the Smallville storyline seems to replace the previous tales of Superman's youth (Superboy, *shudder*), for example. And the movies were never that accurate, so I consider each of them just another version of the story. Just like the Smallville, Justice League or Batman Beyond series. I think in the first Batman movie they even made the Joker the killer of Batman's parents.

DC also made tons of graphic novels with alternate realities, e.g. Superman being Russian or British.

I think the vs. in the movie would just be for marketing. Superman and Batman usually get along nicely, these storylines usually draw from the tension between characters - Superman being a good-natured boy scout and Batman a badass avenger psycho playboy millionaire.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Torp v2.0 on August 06, 2005, 02:24:16 pm
It's quite common that they change comic characters and their history every decade or so to keep them up to date.

That's one of the reasons I don't get into superhero comics. It's bad enough that they're supposedly in the same universe as my friends John Constantine* and Jesse Custer** (it doesn't really bother me that they're in Sandman, though, as Sandman happens on a completely different plane than the superhero comics). The other reasons are that, of course, most superhero comics are aimed at children, and use flat, black-and-white characters and rather uninteresting storylines (though the Superman as a communist story was at least better than completely uninteresting). There's no doubt who's the good and who's the bad guy in Superman. In more "mature"*** comics, the world, like the real world, isn't black-and-white.

Tragic heroes are almost always more interesting than your normal heroes.


*who've tricked worse enemies than most superheroes.

**who's technically probably quite a lot more powerful than the superheroes anyway. I mean, he's got Genesis, equal of God.

***mature put in " " so as not to confuse with the other kind of mature, known in Japan as Hentai.
Title: Re: Oil Crisis
Post by: Bates on August 07, 2005, 11:06:59 am
Don't know, I think plain black and white comic characters are a relic of the 60ies (e.g. the BIFF! POW! SOCK! Adam West Batman). What I like about comics is how different authors are interpreting the same old characters and stories differently and also reflect the time the comics were written in.