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Title: Our Future
Post by: bamFUnk on January 06, 2007, 06:07:29 am
I just saw Children of Men http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE) and now I'm pissed off.  We, as a whole, need to get our act together.  Our world leaders need to start acting RIGHT NOW to stop our world from collapsing.  Inn 2008, America needs to elect a completly radical president who is willing to sacrifice freedoms for the good of the world.  Right now, George Bush has complete control over the country.  The media is afraid to speak against him, and he is getting away with shit nobody else would come close to.  The part that pisses me off the most is that people like me, who want change NOW!!!!, cant do anything about it because all of the fucking right-wing nutjobs would shut us down.
  At first, I felt angry.  Then I felt disgust.  Now i just feel pity and remorse for what we are doing to ourselves.  Americans are unwilling to give up their freedoms like SUV's in order to save the planet.  It's disturbing.  Americans now-a-days don't see the real ideas of freedom that our founding fathers invisioned.  They see freedom as the ability to watch TV when they like and drive oversised cars.  As long as that is the mindset, the government can do whatever they want, and thats exactly whats happening.  Don't get me wrong, I'm speaking about my own country.  We're fucking idiots.  FUCKING IDIOTS, and theres nothing I can do about it.  Please tell me someone else feels the same way.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 06, 2007, 06:10:10 am
I feel exactly the same, but is this another one of those late posts again that you wont remember in the morning? :P
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: SpeedD on January 06, 2007, 06:13:05 am
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Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Sirix on January 06, 2007, 07:53:02 am
Now i just feel pity and remorse for what we are doing to ourselves.  Americans are unwilling to give up their freedoms like SUV's in order to save the planet.

South Park, season 10 episode 2
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: bamFUnk on January 06, 2007, 03:59:40 pm
anger >:( >:( >:(
i havent seen that one.  I don't watch south park that much, ill stop if its on, but i don't set aside time.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Sirix on January 06, 2007, 05:44:51 pm
anger >:( >:( >:(
i havent seen that one.  I don't watch south park that much, ill stop if its on, but i don't set aside time.

the episode of is about people buying Hybrids.
Stan writes a "gay little song" so people will get rid of their SUVs and buy Hybrids.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Ant on January 06, 2007, 06:07:37 pm
Hah yeah and then there's a big fog or something etc. don't wanna give story away too much

There's an awesome advert on at the moment in England about gas emissions, ths music is fucking fantastic and also it graphically shows the gas emissions in a number of scenes including one over London, we are fucked
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: MDX on January 06, 2007, 09:01:48 pm
Listen to John Mayer - Waiting on the World to Change

then buy all his music. btw i agree, i look forward to bushes exiting from the chair, fucking bastard.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: L'homme magique on January 07, 2007, 12:51:44 am
RAH

WATCH ME RAIL AGAINST WORLD LEADERS FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN I CAN

AND IT SURE IS A GOOD THING THAT MOVIE CAME OUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE I WOULDNT KNOW WTF IS GOING ON

RIGHT GUYS
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 07, 2007, 12:55:48 am
The world is in a sorry state, yes.
But we've only ourselves to blame. And we, as a race, have been so naive. Why has it only just hit us that our world is being destroyed? Why did we not think of the consequences of our actions?
Well it's happening. Slowly but surely. And I'm fucked off because the current adult generation is doing fuck all to do anything. We're going to be left with the remains of this world. Remains that won't be worth saving.

And I gotta agree with magicman. Some people start claiming all these thoughts on strong matters, but needed a film, an advert or something media controlled to get them to realise.

That's not a good thing.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Laser.T on January 07, 2007, 12:59:32 am
Well it's happening. Slowly but surely. And I'm fucked off because the current adult generation is doing fuck all to do anything. We're going to be left with the remains of this world. Remains that won't be worth saving.

I always like The Offspring's Not The One for these moments. It's not necessarily related but it's appropriate in that our generation will be left with this mess to sort out. That, or die.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Sirix on January 07, 2007, 01:42:59 am
RAH

WATCH ME RAIL AGAINST WORLD LEADERS FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN I CAN

AND IT SURE IS A GOOD THING THAT MOVIE CAME OUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE I WOULDNT KNOW WTF IS GOING ON

RIGHT GUYS

whatever makes people feel good.
if no one talked about it or "railed" against them, then you'd be wondering why the hell not?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Jack Lupino on January 07, 2007, 03:11:32 am
RAH

WATCH ME RAIL AGAINST WORLD LEADERS FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN I CAN

AND IT SURE IS A GOOD THING THAT MOVIE CAME OUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE I WOULDNT KNOW WTF IS GOING ON

RIGHT GUYS
wtfpwned
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Trezker on January 07, 2007, 11:41:46 am
Why did the people of easter island think trees would grow back even if they cut down all of them?

Here's an interesting island. It's a country that lived only on phosphate mining, now that there is no more phosphate there are no jobs left. 90% unemployment, 95% of the existing jobs are for the government.
90% of the population is also overweight. They live on a rock island and can't support themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Kobi on January 07, 2007, 02:04:04 pm
I came to the conclusion that humanity as a race is to stupid to help the world about three years ago. It doesen't matter what we do, people that wanna help sometimes gets to carried away that they don't help they cause they want to. And those that are ignorant and devoted to their own groups cause, like rightwing conservatives of any nation are to afraid to loose power and won't see other peoples view. I also left church in the same year. I was raised very in a "good god fashion" but later I realized that did not help me at all in a personal way. It was away for those in powere there to gather followers.

I'd like everyone to watch all the seasons of Penn & Teller's Bullshit. Although the show is based on a humorus way the subjects are quite important and they present them from both angles. They draw their own conclusion but its still quite informative and lets you hear both angles of all the subjects.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 07, 2007, 05:43:51 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Nauru_Island_under_attack_by_Liberator_bombers_of_the_Seventh_Air_Force..jpg)
This bombing attack actually killed 90% of the population of Nauru.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on January 08, 2007, 04:38:29 am
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! my people! and their precious, precious phosphates!


Magicman has a point. unfortunately, it's a useless point to make. people should go experience tragedy and injustice before they care about it or it doesn't count?

There is something to be said of course for educating oneself about the issues in a manner other than listening to bill o'reilly, but there is also a need to appeal to the masses. most of us don't want to bother putting time and effort into understanding any given issue, but if we all agree, even passively, then the world or at least the local environment will change. You can go out and donate money to all the charities and Save Darfur organizations you want, but as long as there are still people who honestly think they're working for some reasonable purpose by raping and pillaging, and that they can get away with it, it's a futile battle. we attempt (lamely) to address the symptoms, but very very rarely even notice the root of problems, because it's so elusive and impossible to control; thought. how do you attempt to change thought instead of getting guilty americans to send 50 cents a day to ethiopia? you have one hour. begin.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: L'homme magique on January 08, 2007, 04:41:30 am
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people should go experience tragedy and injustice before they care about it or it doesn't count?
well, yes

and I realize your point that my point is silly, but it has always bothered me when people tell me crap like "I JUST GOT OUT OF AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH YOU HAVE TO SEE IT IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES".

Quote
how do you attempt to change thought instead of getting guilty americans to send 50 cents a day to ethiopia? you have one hour. begin.
"until ethiopia is saved america will be pornless"
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on January 08, 2007, 05:10:02 am
"until ethiopia is saved america will be pornless"


thaaaaaaaaat could work.

brilliant.

and no that wasn't a goddamn reference to a goddamn beer commercial. it was just a word. fuck off.

sorry.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Gravehill on January 08, 2007, 06:44:08 am
I don't have any hurry to change others. I have so many things to improve in my own life. Why to tell others that they should do something to environment and do nothing personally? Change starts on your own life, on your own backyard. Sure, talking about these matters is important. But there is little that one can do globally. Changes starts locally. "Think green", that's something I try to do constantly. I try to consume in moderation because consuming is what consumes environment. So I try to consume as little as I can, with consideration. It was surprise to me to notice that consuming does not mean life standard. One can cut lot without losing an inch of life standard. There's so much vanities in our lives. Recycling, reusing materials, getting only things you will use for years (avoiding disposable things), buying locally produced food & stuff and getting only things you want most, that's what I try to do. And I will be trying to transfer these values to my son (next generation). Change is slow but if enough people are doing personal choices companies have to adapt to new situation and produce more environment friendly products. Politicians have to do more environmental decisions (because that's what their voters want) and so on. It's only small piece of nature that one can safe with personal choices. It's still important small piece and if people will think more these things we may have some hope. There's much damage done and shit is going to hit the fan but we must try to safe what's possible. That way we will lose much but not all.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Smeagol on January 08, 2007, 07:12:33 pm
I don't have any hurry to change others. I have so many things to improve in my own life.

Such as cutting your post off here. I mean, come on, walls of text, if they say something of substance are great. If they loop back on themselves, why bother?

I realize your point that my point is silly, but it has always bothered me when people tell me crap like "I JUST GOT OUT OF AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH YOU HAVE TO SEE IT IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES".

If it's what it takes the get the mindless masses to shift themselves, fine.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 08, 2007, 08:03:22 pm
I don't have any hurry to change others. I have so many things to improve in my own life.

Such as cutting your post off here. I mean, come on, walls of text, if they say something of substance are great. If they loop back on themselves, why bother?

I realize your point that my point is silly, but it has always bothered me when people tell me crap like "I JUST GOT OUT OF AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH YOU HAVE TO SEE IT IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES".

If it's what it takes the get the mindless masses to shift themselves, fine.

A reply to Gravehill's post, under one line long? :D

THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Trezker on January 08, 2007, 11:05:42 pm
Oh where are the times when someone would just answer with a simple k?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Bearfoot on January 08, 2007, 11:10:30 pm
So we should become China?  Where it's lillegal to spit on the sidewalk and girls and kidnapped and forced into marrages because they're the minority?

I'm not disagreeing that the world is fucked up, but we're going to have a plague take care of it for us.  You realize that it was pure blind LUCK that prevented a e.boli breakout in the US?  That's the one that kills you in like 3 days by liquifying your organs.

We already have plagues that are takign thier tole, the equilabrum has been broken.  It's only a matter of time until we have one of apolopicital (to coin a word) scale.


I worry, trust me, I worry, I worry for my 3 year old neice and the kind of world I'll leave behind for her... I worry a lot about the future.

But worrying does jack crap, unless we can do something.

And what can you do?  The men in power are intent on one thing and one thing only.. $$$

I just saw Children of Men http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE) and now I'm pissed off.  We, as a whole, need to get our act together.  Our world leaders need to start acting RIGHT NOW to stop our world from collapsing.  Inn 2008, America needs to elect a completly radical president who is willing to sacrifice freedoms for the good of the world.  Right now, George Bush has complete control over the country.  The media is afraid to speak against him, and he is getting away with shit nobody else would come close to.  The part that pisses me off the most is that people like me, who want change NOW!!!!, cant do anything about it because all of the fucking right-wing nutjobs would shut us down.
  At first, I felt angry.  Then I felt disgust.  Now i just feel pity and remorse for what we are doing to ourselves.  Americans are unwilling to give up their freedoms like SUV's in order to save the planet.  It's disturbing.  Americans now-a-days don't see the real ideas of freedom that our founding fathers invisioned.  They see freedom as the ability to watch TV when they like and drive oversised cars.  As long as that is the mindset, the government can do whatever they want, and thats exactly whats happening.  Don't get me wrong, I'm speaking about my own country.  We're fucking idiots.  FUCKING IDIOTS, and theres nothing I can do about it.  Please tell me someone else feels the same way.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 08, 2007, 11:11:58 pm
So we should become China?  Where it's lillegal to spit on the sidewalk and girls and kidnapped and forced into marrages because they're the minority?

I'm not disagreeing that the world is fucked up, but we're going to have a plague take care of it for us.  You realize that it was pure blind LUCK that prevented a e.boli breakout in the US?  That's the one that kills you in like 3 days by liquifying your organs.

We already have plagues that are takign thier tole, the equilabrum has been broken.  It's only a matter of time until we have one of apolopicital (to coin a word) scale.


I worry, trust me, I worry, I worry for my 3 year old neice and the kind of world I'll leave behind for her... I worry a lot about the future.

But worrying does jack crap, unless we can do something.

And what can you do?  The men in power are intent on one thing and one thing only.. $$$

I just saw Children of Men http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE) and now I'm pissed off.  We, as a whole, need to get our act together.  Our world leaders need to start acting RIGHT NOW to stop our world from collapsing.  Inn 2008, America needs to elect a completly radical president who is willing to sacrifice freedoms for the good of the world.  Right now, George Bush has complete control over the country.  The media is afraid to speak against him, and he is getting away with shit nobody else would come close to.  The part that pisses me off the most is that people like me, who want change NOW!!!!, cant do anything about it because all of the fucking right-wing nutjobs would shut us down.
  At first, I felt angry.  Then I felt disgust.  Now i just feel pity and remorse for what we are doing to ourselves.  Americans are unwilling to give up their freedoms like SUV's in order to save the planet.  It's disturbing.  Americans now-a-days don't see the real ideas of freedom that our founding fathers invisioned.  They see freedom as the ability to watch TV when they like and drive oversised cars.  As long as that is the mindset, the government can do whatever they want, and thats exactly whats happening.  Don't get me wrong, I'm speaking about my own country.  We're fucking idiots.  FUCKING IDIOTS, and theres nothing I can do about it.  Please tell me someone else feels the same way.

Oh where are the times when someone would just answer with a simple k?

k
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Sirix on January 09, 2007, 03:24:24 am
So we should become China?  Where it's lillegal to spit on the sidewalk and girls and kidnapped and forced into marrages because they're the minority?

I'm not disagreeing that the world is fucked up, but we're going to have a plague take care of it for us.  You realize that it was pure blind LUCK that prevented a e.boli breakout in the US?  That's the one that kills you in like 3 days by liquifying your organs.

We already have plagues that are takign thier tole, the equilabrum has been broken.  It's only a matter of time until we have one of apolopicital (to coin a word) scale.


I worry, trust me, I worry, I worry for my 3 year old neice and the kind of world I'll leave behind for her... I worry a lot about the future.

But worrying does jack crap, unless we can do something.

And what can you do?  The men in power are intent on one thing and one thing only.. $$$

I just saw Children of Men http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsgkurfCjE) and now I'm pissed off.  We, as a whole, need to get our act together.  Our world leaders need to start acting RIGHT NOW to stop our world from collapsing.  Inn 2008, America needs to elect a completly radical president who is willing to sacrifice freedoms for the good of the world.  Right now, George Bush has complete control over the country.  The media is afraid to speak against him, and he is getting away with shit nobody else would come close to.  The part that pisses me off the most is that people like me, who want change NOW!!!!, cant do anything about it because all of the fucking right-wing nutjobs would shut us down.
  At first, I felt angry.  Then I felt disgust.  Now i just feel pity and remorse for what we are doing to ourselves.  Americans are unwilling to give up their freedoms like SUV's in order to save the planet.  It's disturbing.  Americans now-a-days don't see the real ideas of freedom that our founding fathers invisioned.  They see freedom as the ability to watch TV when they like and drive oversised cars.  As long as that is the mindset, the government can do whatever they want, and thats exactly whats happening.  Don't get me wrong, I'm speaking about my own country.  We're fucking idiots.  FUCKING IDIOTS, and theres nothing I can do about it.  Please tell me someone else feels the same way.

I think the best most people can do is NOT contribute to the problems... stop being too damn lazy to carry that piece of garbage for 2 more minutes until you get to a garbage can.
get a real job instead of one at a call center selling a plan specificaly created to screw people over.
don't join the military just because of the money.

etc.. etc..
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: ~futilite~ on January 10, 2007, 10:37:16 pm
So we should become China?  Where it's lillegal to spit on the sidewalk and girls and kidnapped and forced into marrages because they're the minority?

I know that it doesn't fit the topic but I don't think that girls are the minority in China. They are treated (right word? sounds... strange) inferior I think. But girls are (like in India I think) unwanted as a child, but there are many girls that are born which is not good for the family and (most important) not good for the girls themselves.
(I don't tell the rest because I think you know it; my point was only that there are many girls there, so they aren't a minority.)
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Torp v2.0 on January 11, 2007, 02:32:24 pm
Actually, you're wrong.

The combination of traditional preference for boys and the one-child policy has created a large imbalance in the sex ratios at birth. Sex-selective abortion is, or at least was before the ban on it, common. Sex-selective infanticide did and does also occur, but I suppose abandonment is the most usual way of doing it today (evidenced by the fact that about 95% of children in chinese orphanages are girls, and completely healthy ones at that).
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 11, 2007, 02:57:14 pm
Hmmm. I might adopt a chinese schoolgirl >:3

MUAHAHAHAHAHH!
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: ~futilite~ on January 11, 2007, 04:03:22 pm
Actually, you're wrong.

The combination of traditional preference for boys and the one-child policy has created a large imbalance in the sex ratios at birth. Sex-selective abortion is, or at least was before the ban on it, common. Sex-selective infanticide did and does also occur, but I suppose abandonment is the most usual way of doing it today (evidenced by the fact that about 95% of children in chinese orphanages are girls, and completely healthy ones at that).

Ok, you're right, abortion of girls is often (and the rest). I give up ;)

So... did I destroy the thread now? (Nobody seems to write about the world's future problems any more. )
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Sirix on January 11, 2007, 04:51:06 pm
Actually, you're wrong.

The combination of traditional preference for boys and the one-child policy has created a large imbalance in the sex ratios at birth. Sex-selective abortion is, or at least was before the ban on it, common. Sex-selective infanticide did and does also occur, but I suppose abandonment is the most usual way of doing it today (evidenced by the fact that about 95% of children in chinese orphanages are girls, and completely healthy ones at that).

Ok, you're right, abortion of girls is often (and the rest). I give up ;)

So... did I destroy the thread now? (Nobody seems to write about the world's future problems any more. )

it could be argued that we're discusing the future of those girls.

anyone see the episode of Simpsons where Selma adopts a baby chinese girl?
it's a fantasticaly hilarious episode... and uh... really deep and meaningful...
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 11, 2007, 04:55:23 pm
Is anyone else scared that 1/6 the worlds population is chinese?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Torp v2.0 on January 11, 2007, 05:15:48 pm
Not really.

But then again, we norwegians are used to being few. We've been few ever since the plague.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: bamFUnk on January 12, 2007, 05:25:42 am
China can creat a shit storm whenever they want.  If they start a war, every soldier that dies, three new recruits can take his place.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 12, 2007, 05:40:05 am
China can creat a shit storm whenever they want.  If they start a war, every soldier that dies, three new recruits can take his place.

They've already shot down a US spy satellite with a fucking laser (which is awesome).

How plausible is another world war, involving CHina as one of the main players?

Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Xhu on January 12, 2007, 01:11:52 pm
Not very. MAD, remember?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Kobi on January 12, 2007, 02:04:44 pm
China can creat a shit storm whenever they want.  If they start a war, every soldier that dies, three new recruits can take his place.

They've already shot down a US spy satellite with a fucking laser (which is awesome).

How plausible is another world war, involving CHina as one of the main players?


I'd give my vote to the americans on starting the next world war. Considdring the events of this week, 20 000 more troops to Iraq and several bombings in Somalia. While I'm not fond of terrorism or extreme fundamentalists I think another contry bugging in and shooting just makes the situation worse.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 12, 2007, 05:30:33 pm
I'd give my vote to the americans on starting the next world war. Considdring the events of this week, 20 000 more troops to Iraq and several bombings in Somalia. While I'm not fond of terrorism or extreme fundamentalists I think another contry bugging in and shooting just makes the situation worse.

With bush in charge, the war would probably end as soon as it started.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: bamFUnk on January 13, 2007, 07:12:42 am
China can creat a shit storm whenever they want.  If they start a war, every soldier that dies, three new recruits can take his place.

They've already shot down a US spy satellite with a fucking laser (which is awesome).

How plausible is another world war, involving CHina as one of the main players?


A Chinese civil war would be a world war in my book.  Their sweat-shopped low quality mass produced products are in every store everywhere
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 13, 2007, 07:31:54 am
A Chinese civil war would be a world war in my book.  Their sweat-shopped low quality mass produced products are in every store everywhere

Hence the reason that a Chinese civil war would NOT be a good idea, because prices would increase everywhere else.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 13, 2007, 07:32:58 am
A Chinese civil war would be a world war in my book.  Their sweat-shopped low quality mass produced products are in every store everywhere

Hence the reason that a Chinese civil war would NOT be a good idea, because prices would increase everywhere else.

When did civil wars ever become good ideas?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Trezker on January 13, 2007, 10:34:03 am
Civil war is always a good idea.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Laser.T on January 13, 2007, 12:40:35 pm
Civil war is always a good idea.

I rebel!

Who's gonna join me in the Machinae Supremacy Forums People's Rule Liberation Front (MSFPRLF)?!!!



I think the next world war will involve a union of countries who're all pissed off with America. They'll agree in secret that if America does one more thing they'll unite. Then, as sure as Tuesday, America will do 'one more thing' (because that's what they do... things...). Then these countries will unite, declare war and it'll all blow up; the union on one side and America and its allies on the other and no one really sure what they're fighting for and under what circumstances the conflict will end.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Torp v2.0 on January 13, 2007, 01:35:07 pm
I'm gonna keep my finger on the next world war being a religious one.

Yeah, it's an old one, fanatical moslems vs the west, but it's also the most likely sceneario for a larger conflict as of today.

The other world powers, like the USA, China, Europe and Russia, has little to no interest in starting a war with any of the others. Localised, supported conflicts between USA and Russia or China might be a slight possibility, specifically in the middle of Asia, but they're too good friends to start all-out war (plus, there's the nukes).
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 13, 2007, 07:30:44 pm
It's already been pretty much agreed that there will be no more "World Wars" because of a little thing called Mutual assured destruction. Everyone has their nukes pointed at everyone else and all it takes is a few button presses to make us just another charred rock spinning around a star.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Xhu on January 13, 2007, 07:38:41 pm
It's already been pretty much agreed that there will be no more "World Wars" because of a little thing called Mutual assured destruction. Everyone has their nukes pointed at everyone else and all it takes is a few button presses to make us just another charred rock spinning around a star.

Not very [likely]. MAD, remember?

It's uncanny. =P
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 13, 2007, 07:46:35 pm
It's already been pretty much agreed that there will be no more "World Wars" because of a little thing called Mutual assured destruction. Everyone has their nukes pointed at everyone else and all it takes is a few button presses to make us just another charred rock spinning around a star.

Not very [likely]. MAD, remember?

It's uncanny. =P

Aha. I didnt notice you there. :P
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Jack Lupino on January 13, 2007, 07:50:27 pm
That, and Radicz0r.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Torp v2.0 on January 13, 2007, 07:53:34 pm
It's already been pretty much agreed that there will be no more "World Wars" because of a little thing called Mutual assured destruction. Everyone has their nukes pointed at everyone else and all it takes is a few button presses to make us just another charred rock spinning around a star.

Yes and no. No sane leader of a nation would ever start a large-scale war. However, there are several scenearios that might lead to a nuclear war.

The first is escalation.

The second is an insane leader, who, fearing to lose his power, decides to take everyone else with him as he goes. Only a leader of one of the nuclear powers (USA, Russia, China and maybe France and the UK) would be able to do this.

The third might be the most worrying. There are enough people in this world that would welcome a full-out nuclear war as "doomsday", and if a member of such a group came into power in one of the nuclear powers, it could spell doom upon the entire world. The worrying thing about all that is that there's one nation where such groups have a fairly strong power base: namely fundamentalist christians in the US. I'm not saying all fundamentalist christians want to create doomsday device, that's far from the truth, but it is not inconceivable that such a man might come into office.

Luckily, there are a lot of safety measures. If the president of the US wanted to create doomsday, I'm sure somebody would terminate his presidency pretty fast. And quite possibly terminate the president himself.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 13, 2007, 08:09:31 pm
fundamentalist christians

But wait!

in the US.

See? It's always America. Always.*










*8/10 times.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Smeagol on January 13, 2007, 08:11:28 pm
The second is an insane leader, who, fearing to lose his power, decides to take everyone else with him as he goes. Only a leader of one of the nuclear powers (USA, Russia, China and maybe France and the UK) would be able to do this.

What about Iran or North Korea?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: L'homme magique on January 13, 2007, 08:19:51 pm
Australia is a nuclear power too.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Smeagol on January 13, 2007, 08:21:19 pm
However, I don't see Austrailia causing World War III.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Xhu on January 13, 2007, 09:03:19 pm
Which is exactly why they're in the perfect position to do it.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Ant on January 13, 2007, 09:06:29 pm
yes, all those Opera singers, imagine if they set them up in America and gave them loud speakers?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on January 13, 2007, 09:32:19 pm
i'm still placing all my bets on Kazakhstan... they're up to something, and now more pissed off than ever about Borat!

(plus they're a nuclear power)


It's already been pretty much agreed that there will be no more "World Wars" because of a little thing called Mutual assured destruction. Everyone has their nukes pointed at everyone else and all it takes is a few button presses to make us just another charred rock spinning around a star.

Oh ye of little faith. That's what they said after WWI... not the same reasoning, but same conclusion. we have shown that we're willing to fight a war, even a fairly pointless and unskillful one, without using any nukes... i don't think we have any sort of ability to predict what's going to happen, but history has shown that humans are real good at finding ways and reasons to kill each other regardless of how good an idea it might be.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Gravehill on January 14, 2007, 01:49:58 am
You have forgotten small nuclear weapons. Like those which can be shot with howitzer or any other large gun. Also, while USA is watching in Iran's direction (they did attack on Iran's consulate already) they have encountered some problems regarding Iran's nuclear facilities. They are dug in deep and are not easily monitored or spied from sky. Another problem is that because they are so strong and deep it's difficult to destroy them even with those extremely large bunker killers they have. Only reliable way to destroy them would be nuclear weapon.

My bet on next big war would be USA vs Iran or USA vs North Korea. I think that Iran is more likely target. USA is trying to conquer middle-east/Africa country by country. I think that North Korea is not that urgent target. They have made all nearby nations alarmed already. Although they are more active (missile tests towards Japan and everything) they are in position where their only mean to provoke USA to attack would be open attack towards Japan or South Korea. And I think that they are not that stupid.

Iran, on the other hand, can do many things without open attacks because they are on very suitable area for that. It has more international power (historical, cultural, political and religious) than isolated North Korea. So I think that USA keeps Iran as their main enemy and will attack there next.

Next World War? I hope that it would never come. It seems that there will be only some super powers in future : USA, EU, China, Russia and, so I believe, some sort of African Union.

Our future does not seem very bright but as long as there's tomorrow there's hope.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 14, 2007, 02:18:13 am
So I think that USA keeps Iran as their main enemy and will attack there next.

If they so much as lay a finger in a hostile manner on Iran, i will hate America for all eternity.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 14, 2007, 02:21:30 am
So I think that USA keeps Iran as their main enemy and will attack there next.

If they so much as lay a finger in a hostile manner on Iran, i will hate America for all eternity.

Oh dont worry, they will. Why do you think all the troops are going there? Something is obviously going to "happen" suddenly intelligence will pop up that will suggest al-qaeda have rooted themselves in Iran, or someone will get assassinated, a building will explode, suicide attack or something and those troops are straight in there.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 14, 2007, 02:23:19 am
Well, america can go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Ant on January 14, 2007, 02:35:52 am
Like they have many a time before
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 14, 2007, 07:46:31 am
Well, america can go fuck themselves.

You should probably hate the Mongols, the UK, and the USSR, too, because they all invaded Iran before "us".
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Gravehill on January 14, 2007, 10:50:40 am
So I think that USA keeps Iran as their main enemy and will attack there next.
If they so much as lay a finger in a hostile manner on Iran
I think that you don't have to wait for long. Decision about sending more troops to Iraq to monitor "internal peace" has already been made. Now we just wait them to settle there and get used to climate and surroundings. After situation is "on balance" and everyone there is accustomed for bigger troops and everything seems alright we wait little longer. At some point there is exchange of troops. At this point all they have to do is concentrate all troops and then attack Iran because they are clear and present danger for national security. At this point Iraq's own police forces and USA's allies can monitor Iraq's internal peace along with private security services. That relieves even more troops to attack. So... I think that you don't have to wait for long. I would say maximum one year, might come sooner, even in some months.

On the other hand, I hope that I'm wrong. All signs point on open conflict's direction thou. We'll see.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 14, 2007, 12:36:48 pm
You should probably hate the Mongols, the UK, and the USSR, too, because they all invaded Iran before "us".

OR, i could just hate the US.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Torp v2.0 on January 14, 2007, 12:39:57 pm
The second is an insane leader, who, fearing to lose his power, decides to take everyone else with him as he goes. Only a leader of one of the nuclear powers (USA, Russia, China and maybe France and the UK) would be able to do this.

What about Iran or North Korea?

By "nuclear power" I meant a country with a sizeable amount of nuclear weapons, or the capability of producing such. Only USA and Russia really have a very high amount of warheads. I thought China had as well, but I was wrong. Both France and the UK have more. However, I'm pretty sure China could build a whole lot of nukes, if they wanted to, in a fairly short amount of time, which keeps them on my list. France and the UK, with approximately 350 and 150-200 each, would probably not have enough nukes to create a doomsday sceneario (it might be enough, though, if the bombs were modified and salted with cobalt, a fairly simple process. I am very uncertain on that topic, though). It would make a hell of a show, though.

Of course, any nuclear power, coupled with escalation, might make things scary. However, according to more recent estimates, an all-out nuclear war probably wouldn't be as big a disaster as we all believe. That is, there would still be human life afterwards. And it would survive the following nuclear winter.

This (http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/nuclearwar1.html) is an interesting article, supposedly quite good a sceneario as to how all-out nuclear war would affect the world. I can't say how realistic it is, but it is an interesting read.

Oh, and just for the record, it is estimated that Norway have the technology to develop a nuclear weapons program in about a year. I might not need my oil for nukes program once I seize power after all.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 15, 2007, 08:57:18 am
So I think that USA keeps Iran as their main enemy and will attack there next.
If they so much as lay a finger in a hostile manner on Iran
I think that you don't have to wait for long. Decision about sending more troops to Iraq to monitor "internal peace" has already been made. Now we just wait them to settle there and get used to climate and surroundings. After situation is "on balance" and everyone there is accustomed for bigger troops and everything seems alright we wait little longer. At some point there is exchange of troops. At this point all they have to do is concentrate all troops and then attack Iran because they are clear and present danger for national security. At this point Iraq's own police forces and USA's allies can monitor Iraq's internal peace along with private security services. That relieves even more troops to attack. So... I think that you don't have to wait for long. I would say maximum one year, might come sooner, even in some months.

On the other hand, I hope that I'm wrong. All signs point on open conflict's direction thou. We'll see.

Eh, the government won't try anything that drastic. It's a democratic Congress, Rumsfeld is gone, and Bush is trying to keep his popularity ratings above the 20% range. He's on his way out in a year, so he won't leave the military in a position like that.

You should probably hate the Mongols, the UK, and the USSR, too, because they all invaded Iran before "us".

OR, i could just hate the US.

I suppose you're right. Generalizations are so much easier than putting thought into statements, no?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Gravehill on January 15, 2007, 11:00:16 am
Eh, the government won't try anything that drastic. It's a democratic Congress, Rumsfeld is gone, and Bush is trying to keep his popularity ratings above the 20% range. He's on his way out in a year, so he won't leave the military in a position like that.
Like I said I hope that I'm wrong. Still all signs promise no good. It would not take long time for crise to escalate into open conflict. If republicans are desperate they may take desperate efforts to fix situation. I also liked to point out that USA has already bombed Somalia and attacked other country's consulate. Both actions show that present president does not give a shit to correct political procedures (if it has been unclear to anyone up to now). I would be positively surprised if there is no attack.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 16, 2007, 01:58:17 am
Eh, the government won't try anything that drastic. It's a democratic Congress, Rumsfeld is gone, and Bush is trying to keep his popularity ratings above the 20% range. He's on his way out in a year, so he won't leave the military in a position like that.
If republicans are desperate they may take desperate efforts to fix situation.

They can't. They have no power anymore. It's not like they're going to stage a violent coup.

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I also liked to point out that USA has already bombed Somalia and attacked other country's consulate.

The US has been involved in Somalia since the 1990s. This isn't news.

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Both actions show that present president does not give a shit to correct political procedures (if it has been unclear to anyone up to now). I would be positively surprised if there is no attack.

He's not the one that decides these kinds of things. He is an absolute idiot, I know. But I can say pretty surely it's not in his agenda to attack Iran. Like I said, he's more focused on keeping a good image on his way out of office. The people who decide where and what to attack are the military brass; blame them.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Gravehill on January 16, 2007, 02:11:19 am
....
I sincerely hope that you're right.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 16, 2007, 02:16:36 am
....
I sincerely hope that you're right.

If I'm not, I'll go assassinate the president for you, okay?  :P [/kidding, so don't kill me CIA men. Please.]

The increased amount of soldiers there is supposed to be to relieve the current ones, train the Iraqi defense forces, quash the insurgents, etc. within a half a year to a year's time and then get the hell out. Very few people here enjoy knowing that more and more soldiers are dying everyday. This includes the Democratic Congress. If Bush wants to make a move on Iran, he'll have to go through them first, and they're very unlikely to support something like that, being that they've hated the war since the beginning.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on January 16, 2007, 03:17:22 am

They can't. They have no power anymore. It's not like they're going to stage a violent coup.

Oh come now. They've defined the political landscape in this country for the past decade. The only reason they're more or less out now is because they lost at their own game, not because we won. They proved the inadequacy of their own ideological nonsense, but unless we can redefine the game instead of trying to make the same crap work out better for us, it'll be back to square one.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 16, 2007, 07:34:12 am

They can't. They have no power anymore. It's not like they're going to stage a violent coup.

Oh come now. They've defined the political landscape in this country for the past decade. The only reason they're more or less out now is because they lost at their own game, not because we won. They proved the inadequacy of their own ideological nonsense, but unless we can redefine the game instead of trying to make the same crap work out better for us, it'll be back to square one.

I fail to see your point.  :P I didn't say it was permanent. But the democrats have two years to make changes, and after what's happened for the past six, I'm sure they will.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Torp v2.0 on January 16, 2007, 12:04:11 pm
The problem, though, is that people don't think very long ahead. Or far back. It has been said that a government can not be blamed for the situation while they're in office. It's the situation in the two terms afterwards that their politics start to have an effect.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Viherminttu on January 16, 2007, 12:36:08 pm
for some reason i dont see my country causing a nuclear world war 3....
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: SpeedD on January 16, 2007, 02:03:40 pm
for some reason i dont see my country causing a nuclear world war 3....

I say we start our own war.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Ant on January 16, 2007, 02:08:07 pm
Machinae Supremacy community starting WW3?

ok we need Ankle, he's played enough RTS games to know what he's doing
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on January 16, 2007, 09:43:39 pm
Heheh... the forgotten world war; ANZAC v. Mounties!
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Smeagol on January 16, 2007, 09:47:04 pm
for some reason i dont see my country causing a nuclear world war 3....

I say we start our own war.

Does Canada even possess any nukes that aren't propelled by moose/eskimo dog?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Viherminttu on January 16, 2007, 11:50:49 pm
hahaha
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: SpeedD on January 17, 2007, 12:19:40 am
for some reason i dont see my country causing a nuclear world war 3....

I say we start our own war.

Does Canada even possess any nukes that aren't propelled by moose/eskimo dog?

....We don't even have those anymore. We sold them to Estonia.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Torp v2.0 on January 17, 2007, 12:26:28 am
Does Canada even possess nukes?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: SpeedD on January 17, 2007, 12:27:51 am
Does Canada even possess nukes?

No.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: cloudstrifex on January 17, 2007, 12:29:31 am
Well I have some popsicle sticks and bubble gum, what do you say we go and make some? :D
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Ant on January 17, 2007, 06:02:16 am
I could make methane bombs and maybe even some LSD bombs, confuse the enemy somehwat :D
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: harvey danger on January 17, 2007, 07:54:32 pm
I could make methane bombs and maybe even some LSD bombs, confuse the enemy somehwat :D

Or we could just send you in.  That'd confuse them more than enough. ;)
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Xhu on January 17, 2007, 07:56:47 pm
Does Canada even possess nukes?

No.

This is Canadian disinformation?
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Ant on January 17, 2007, 09:29:48 pm
I could make methane bombs and maybe even some LSD bombs, confuse the enemy somehwat :D

Or we could just send you in.  That'd confuse them more than enough. ;)

I think it would scare them more
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: WereVolvo on January 17, 2007, 10:07:56 pm
Does Canada even possess nukes?

No.

This is Canadian disinformation?

Yes. They are obviously blatant lies.
I vote we invade Canada in search of Weapons Of Mass Destruction TM

... or is that Weapons Of Mass Distraction? I forget sometimes.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Irrationalist on January 19, 2007, 08:49:48 pm
The trademark takes the joke a bit too far, lol. Canada doesnt need nukes, the US has them. The US wont let Canada be invaded, its our north border, plus an "ally".
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Smogelore on January 19, 2007, 10:15:23 pm
WE ARE LEGION!!

haha, just had to say that

and yeah humanity is planning its own suicide
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 19, 2007, 10:18:20 pm
The future is not orange.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Xhu on January 20, 2007, 12:50:57 am
T'is bright, though.

...

Alright then, you try looking directly at an atomic blast.
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Lysix on January 20, 2007, 05:29:35 pm
Alright then, you try looking directly at an atomic blast.

TO IRAQ!
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Fallout on January 24, 2007, 05:52:15 am
Just seen Children Of Men. Wow. Seriously. FUCKED UP. Pretty depressing really :/
Title: Re: Our Future
Post by: Irrationalist on January 24, 2007, 07:44:15 am
Alright then, you try looking directly at an atomic blast.

TO IRAQ!

WHO ARE YOUR SOURCES!?