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Title: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Jack Lupino on October 23, 2006, 05:48:32 pm
Illegal downloading, music copyrighted, easily spread to the whole world, everyone can hear every band.. some cons and pro's.

What do you think ?
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Sativa on October 23, 2006, 05:54:47 pm
IMO Its good for getting music and stuff out there in the world, But not so great for bands wanting to make moneys.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Tae on October 23, 2006, 06:20:02 pm
Good for the musicians, even for those who wanting to make money (it is in the concerts), but bad for the industry, that is obsolete.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Lexx on October 23, 2006, 07:01:43 pm
Good for good music.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Irrationalist on October 23, 2006, 07:15:51 pm
Thats easy, it is good, example. MaSu.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Trezker on October 23, 2006, 07:17:37 pm
I sure hope it's bad for the industry becuase they're being such big asses over it.  >:(

I think internet is the best and biggest thing that ever happened to culture. For the millions of artist that previously couldn't show off, I think that easily outweighs any negative effects.
We get thousands of times more variation over internet than from industry.

I'm sure all artists wish they could make money on their works, but there isn't enough money in the world to pay them all what they're worth. Apprecitation and exposure is worth much more and at some point the interest for an artist is big enough to become profitable but that's not something you should count on.

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If all students would get paid for all the doodles in their notes that look just like modern art then noone would need to take student loans.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Irrationalist on October 23, 2006, 07:20:18 pm
If astists were more like MaSu(Wants money for music but rather have listeners) then it wouldn;t be considered such a curse.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: cardinalsynn on October 23, 2006, 07:31:24 pm
i'm torn. the internet makes it incredibly easy to access millions and millions of bands and artists. which is an awesome thing for us, the consumer. but this ease is meaning things are getting a lot more popular than they used to, and we're seeing more and more genres getting blown up out of proportion a-la numetal and hundreds of bands that sound exactly the same suddenly appear. dunno about you guys but this puts me right off.

the net is obviously bad for recording companies, i know loads of people say "i download some stuff but i always buy the cd after sampling the tracks online" but this is a minority among downloaders so at all times it's gonna be bad for the companies.  for the artists, i'm not so sure. yeh people aren't buying records as much, but i betcha you go to a sell-out metallica show and 40% of anyone there under the age of 18 found metallica online (bad example maybe cos anyone with an older sibling will love tallica = p).

but the point is, it has it's good and bad points, but there's no denying that it's possible to gain a HUGE amount of popularity on the internet and increase your gig attendance in a huge way (i think someone before said that, tis a good way to look at it that i never really considered that much)

so yeh, in short. internet = fuckin a!
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Irrationalist on October 23, 2006, 07:51:40 pm
There is good and bad to everything, for example this forum, there's people like fffaaallloout (bad) then there people like Gravehill and Draconis(good)
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Lysix on October 23, 2006, 08:17:31 pm
I think it's good. With the internet, you can reach to thousands more people than you ever could before. Sure, the illegal downloading is a downside to things, but it wouldn't be a problem if the RIAA would just back off. I mean, people who like an album will go buy it anyway.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: SomethingApt on October 23, 2006, 08:32:40 pm
Good for good music.

agree with that
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on October 23, 2006, 08:34:51 pm
Without the internet I wouldn't know about roughly 60% of the bands I listen to on a regular basis, and I wouldn't have bought mostof the CDs i've bought (at least the ones at retail price).

I think the RIAA should go all out and try to ban used CD sales cause the artists don't get anything. That would be their final mistake...
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Fallout on October 23, 2006, 09:11:56 pm
If astists were more like MaSu(Wants money for music but rather have listeners) then it wouldn;t be considered such a curse.
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Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 23, 2006, 09:31:07 pm
Ok, straight up, I don't like illegal downloading. Doesn't mean I don't do it, but I don't like it. Maybe because I work in retail, I dunno. All the time I hear people saying "why buy that song when you can download it for nothing?" Well why buy anything? Why buy a CD when you can just stick it up your shirt and walk out? I'm aware that filesharing isn't really the same thing as theft, but thats the kind of logic these people use. I can kinda understand why people download instead of buy singles, when I was into Mansun I''d spend £4 on a single but that had 3 brand-new songs on it. Now you're spending £2, but only for the song + the video, or some crappy remix. Thats not value for money.

Obviously the internet is great for new bands and unsigned bands; its done really well for Machinae ofc, and paid services like iTunes are pretty cool, although pittance goes to the actual artists, just like physical CDs. My only real concern is that bands will be less likely to make albums and rather just put out collections of singles, or songs that are made to be heard seperatly.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Fallout on October 23, 2006, 09:40:47 pm
I love "illegal downloading", and pretty much every single song on my 6300 or so long playlist, I downloaded.

Even DXM. Yeah, I openly admit it. I pirated it, and I loved it. So I bought it.
The internets is good for music, it allows you to sample before you buy. That's my verdict. :)
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Einkoro on October 24, 2006, 09:24:02 am
It is good for music. I would never have started listening to music outside of C&C soundtracks or run out and bought albums (and continue to do so) to rip to wonderful FLAC if it wasn't for downloading music with p2p stuffs on the internet.

As for those who say its bad because people who buy it after downloading are the minority: The people that don't buy it wouldn't have bought it in the first place. It makes no difference in the end.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Trezker on October 24, 2006, 12:57:37 pm
I'm quite sure the industry would sell much more if they didn't put copy protection on stuff.
As long as anyone can hear something in any way, it can and will be copied.

Games are a bit hard to copy because you need the data, you can't just copy the output. But for music and video you can just plug the output to a recorder and all copy protection is gone.

They only achieve one thing with copy protection, they make legal copies unusable.
Why should you pay for something you can't use?
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Jack Lupino on October 24, 2006, 02:27:52 pm
Hmm, good point.

Then what do you guys think about buying mp3's ?

like 0,99 ct for 1 mp3.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Fallout on October 24, 2006, 02:57:05 pm
Hmm, good point.

Then what do you guys think about buying mp3's ?

like 0,99 ct for 1 mp3.


p2p is slowly changing its meaning, from peer2peer to pay2peer. With companies like Napster and hundreds of "buy mp3's" sites popping up, the industry is slowly transforming our wonderful p2p communities into money-guzzling corporate machines.

And we know everyone's opinions of corporate machines, right? pay2peer = bad. 0.99p for 1 mp3 = bad.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 24, 2006, 05:48:21 pm
Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Sativa on October 24, 2006, 05:54:34 pm
With companies like Napster and hundreds of "buy mp3's" sites popping up.

I don't think any of my mates have actually used any of these yet though?  I can't see it really taking off, excpt for the whole ITunes shop thing (I think there is one of them? Or was I dreaming about it o.O) Even now that all the old P2P software such as napster has been shut down, people are just switching to Bit Torrent and the likes, where they download whole CDs instead of each song seperatly, This is probably a bad thing for the music industry :<.

 IMO by shutting down all the old P2P software, the RIAA made the situation worse for them selves  ;D

I still go and buy CDs if I like the music, I just like a test listen first (like a new car)
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 24, 2006, 07:45:22 pm
Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

Queue Ephtee.

Downloading music to advertise your ego is far from activism. Using BitTorrent or Kazaa is possibly the easiest thing to do in the word, it hardly makes anyone a saint. If you really want to make an effort, get involved on a political level.

I must also agree with the healthcare situation- everyone has a price and a benefit on their heads in Britain today. It's easy to say that you'll happily help subsidise the system with your own money, but honestly when you get there you simply won't have enough money.
I started on private healthcare when I was 18- then I went to university and all my money had to go on food. I have now been waiting almost two years for the NHS to catch up with me- and that's just to access treatment, I will have to join another waiting list for an opperation.

I have to agree that copyright theft and DRM pale in comparison to Britain's National Health Service.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: cloudstrifex on October 24, 2006, 10:53:26 pm
Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

Exactly. While music should be made for the sake of music and not money, wouldn't you want your favorite artist to make money anyway so they can continue making music for that reason? If artists can't get payed I doubt they will want to continue making music. That is their career, just like all of us have or will have one someday. It's like you're working and providing a service but someone steals it. Wouldn't you get mad? I think downloading music can be both good and bad. Sure it spreads the word, but if you don't buy the album and download it instead that's one more album the record company didn't sell, and that could mean the difference between the record company going out of business. I like MaSu's philosophy of releasing web site songs for your enjoyment, but also a record. Releasing full downloadable songs from that record will give you an idea of what to expect, so you don't have to go download it. But it will also not rip off the band by not giving away the whole album. So I think it's safe to say that music sharing has its share of pros and cons.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on October 25, 2006, 01:30:36 am
I must agree with the lovely ladies above. My beef always comes with attitudes. Sure, go for the music stealing, but don't act like it makes you a better person. Don't download everything you see so that you can impress others with your 3-terabyte music collection full of crap you haven't even listened to. Don't get all pissy if you get caught and then start getting all uppity about letting filesharing be more legal. If it were perfectly legal you wouldn't have an addiction to it in the first place, so if you intend to benefit from something's illegality, be prepared to accept the consequences of such.

Also, skateboarding is a crime, douchebags. Cause it's against the motherfucking law.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Trezker on October 25, 2006, 01:33:47 am
It's war, and as we all know war means progress.
In the end both sides will have lost a lot and the world becomes a better place.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Jack Lupino on October 25, 2006, 04:50:18 am
Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.
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But this thread : " Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ? "

Do know i agree with you 101%
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Einkoro on October 25, 2006, 08:02:31 am
Hmm, good point.

Then what do you guys think about buying mp3's ?

like 0,99 ct for 1 mp3.


Why would anyone pay for an inferior version? I could see it if they sold it in a lossless format without DRM and included high resolution album art + digital booklet thingy so we would get something equal to what is on a CD.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Lysix on October 25, 2006, 01:08:43 pm
Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

What you say is very true. Yet with the current state of the world, it can only get worse.
Time machine plz. I wanna go back to the time where people mattered.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on October 25, 2006, 09:58:41 pm
What you say is very true. Yet with the current state of the world, it can only get worse.
Time machine plz. I wanna go back to the time where people mattered.

Which time was that? The concept of the individual didn't even exist until the 16/17th century. We're the most individualist we've ever been right now, and with the explosion of the intarweb, people "matter" (in whatever sense you might mean) more now than ever. Sure, democracy hardly exists, and the more people there are the easier it is to get lost in the crowd, but it's not like there was a time where everyone was seen as equal and worthy.

Everyone since the dawn of history has decried the current state of things and wished for the good ol days.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Irrationalist on October 27, 2006, 09:07:55 pm
Anyways......

If they charged $5 for a cd rather than $15 thru $20 I would buy my music, the cheap paper, ink, and plastic is not worth $20 and besides the money should be made from the concerts.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 27, 2006, 09:14:12 pm
I disagree, I love having a physical copy of a CD. I really like bands who put thought into the art of their CD and booklet.

Ownership is being lost as digital distro takes over. Will Half-Life 2 still be playable when Steam dies? Will my iTunes tracks still work in ten years time when iTunes stops being supported? Its bad enough now that, as a Maccie, some DRM CDs already won't play on my machine. I much prefer to own something and be able to hold it in my hand. Otherwise we could be stuck with a future where entertainment is lost as companies and business dissolve.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Lysix on October 27, 2006, 09:16:07 pm
I disagree, I love having a physical copy of a CD. I really like bands who put thought into the art of their CD and booklet.

QFT. If i love an album enough, regardless, I'll buy it. It just feels weird having the awesomeness in digital form alone.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Einkoro on October 27, 2006, 11:28:42 pm
Ownership is being lost as digital distro takes over. Will Half-Life 2 still be playable when Steam dies? Will my iTunes tracks still work in ten years time when iTunes stops being supported? Its bad enough now that, as a Maccie, some DRM CDs already won't play on my machine. I much prefer to own something and be able to hold it in my hand. Otherwise we could be stuck with a future where entertainment is lost as companies and business dissolve.

+1 for DRM is destroying our culture(s).

Anyways......

If they charged $5 for a cd rather than $15 thru $20 I would buy my music, the cheap paper, ink, and plastic is not worth $20 and besides the money should be made from the concerts.

Your prices are a bit off, at least for metal. While some might be $15-20, most of it seems to land in the $20-30 range. God forbid its not published in North America and you have to import it and end up in the $30-80 range for a bloody CD.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: Irrationalist on October 28, 2006, 06:50:31 am
Ownership is being lost as digital distro takes over. Will Half-Life 2 still be playable when Steam dies? Will my iTunes tracks still work in ten years time when iTunes stops being supported? Its bad enough now that, as a Maccie, some DRM CDs already won't play on my machine. I much prefer to own something and be able to hold it in my hand. Otherwise we could be stuck with a future where entertainment is lost as companies and business dissolve.

+1 for DRM is destroying our culture(s).

Anyways......

If they charged $5 for a cd rather than $15 thru $20 I would buy my music, the cheap paper, ink, and plastic is not worth $20 and besides the money should be made from the concerts.

Your prices are a bit off, at least for metal. While some might be $15-20, most of it seems to land in the $20-30 range. God forbid its not published in North America and you have to import it and end up in the $30-80 range for a bloody CD.

My prices are accurate as I would never pay more than that.
Title: Re: Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?
Post by: cloudstrifex on October 30, 2006, 05:17:14 am
Ownership is being lost as digital distro takes over. Will Half-Life 2 still be playable when Steam dies? Will my iTunes tracks still work in ten years time when iTunes stops being supported? Its bad enough now that, as a Maccie, some DRM CDs already won't play on my machine. I much prefer to own something and be able to hold it in my hand. Otherwise we could be stuck with a future where entertainment is lost as companies and business dissolve.

+1 for DRM is destroying our culture(s).

Anyways......

If they charged $5 for a cd rather than $15 thru $20 I would buy my music, the cheap paper, ink, and plastic is not worth $20 and besides the money should be made from the concerts.

Your prices are a bit off, at least for metal. While some might be $15-20, most of it seems to land in the $20-30 range. God forbid its not published in North America and you have to import it and end up in the $30-80 range for a bloody CD.

I had to pay over 60$ for my DXM v1 cd but it was well worth it! :D