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Title: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 12:07:26 am
I believe the old thread has overstayed it's welcome, and seeing as the album is released, we need to get on to actually discussing the new songs in detail.

Favourite songs? Reviews? Song interpretations? Lyrics? Put them here. :)

EDIT: for your viewing pleasure, here are the lyrics to the entire album!

http://machinaesupremacy.com/music/albums/a-view-from-the-end-of-the-world/lyrics/
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 03, 2010, 12:14:42 am
Good idea :)

I would like to say that this album is the best album they´ve done by far! Seems like they are prouder and don´t hide the synths as much as in overworld.

Murder is fantastic, its bouncy, happy, and the chorus is catchy beyond infinity.
Universe is epic, beautiful, and I can´t believe that spinefarm wouldn´t want this on the album.
Persona is also amazing , I love that the girl gets to sing with rob abit in this aswell
Remnant, oh my god what an epic song, a perfect ending to an almost perfect album!

The only song I don´t like very much is Camper, it does however remind me of FLAK and Garden of concrete, and that is pretty cool :) However I do feel like this song could have been left out.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 03, 2010, 12:27:23 am
Just after a brief hearing my favs so far are Rocket Dragon, Cybergenesis, Action Girl and Indiscriminate Murder. Of which the latter stands out the most. Maybe because it's so jumpy and different?

Oh, and Remnant, because it's so epic. And Nova Prospekt, because it's Nova Prospekt.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 12:54:54 am
To get the discussion started, I'm gonna put a few song interpretations here. Bear in mind that we don't all have the lyrics booklets (and that includes me).


A View From The End Of The World:
I can't work this one out until I get the lyrics, but I picked up on a few lyrics:

"a blast of blinding light"
"5 billion souls incinerated in the doom of the gods"  -  obviously talking about a nuke

"600 years of progress lost because of you" - Reference to the Dark Ages and religion causing it

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Force Feedback:
I think we all know this song is about net neutrality and corporations attempting to take over the internet.

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Rocket Dragon:
I also think we all know this song is about an Apache gunship, shooting Hellfire missiles and reaping havoc, and the pilot justifying himself as "God forgives"

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Persona:
Possibly (shock horror!) one of the good old-fashioned "you are awesome, go do awesome shit!" feel-good songs from Machinae's roots.

I think it's about "burying yourself" in the world, and just giving in and living a dull grey lifestyle that everyone else has, but trying to enthuse you to actually go do something and be interesting. In the end though, the subject gives up and commits suicide? Fuck knows :)

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Nova Prospekt:
This just sounds like a generic fight song to me, although it may have some purpose or deeper meaning.

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World Of Light:
Is it just me or does this seem out of place?

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Shinigami:
I'm not even going to try, I've never watched Death Note..

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Cybergenesis:
I love this song. It has some really serious undertones and seems to be about some war between Athiests and God.

"The age of creation will fade as we turn from grace"
"We place the light of ascensions within the machine - and we will send it to heaven to end God's regime".

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Action Girl:
Buffy The Vampire Slayer, simply put.

The soundclip in the middle of the song is a quote from Buffy, it mentions tombs, and stakes, and Hell. Quite straightforward really.

"I think I speak for everyone here when I say HUH?"

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Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper:
Another simple one, obviously about shitty campers in CoD. It even has a gunshot sound straight out of CoD too. (specifically the unsilenced M4A1, for the n3rds ;))

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Indiscriminate Murder Is Counter-Productive:

I think I remember Rob mentioning that this one is pretty much about GTA and games of the same sort of sandbox "kill anyone" genre. Funny that the song about random murder is the happiest song on the album.

"I, know that all these NPC's don't pose a threat to me
but I, gotta kill kill something right now there's a lot to do!"

"I know I'm s'posed to be the one
but I have too much fun
killing everyone"

"fucking fairies from space" :D

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One Day In The Universe:
A love story about a couple that met online and want to meet in person.

"Flashforward to nights online and by our screens,
far apart, connected 10,000 miles between"

"Would it even be like this if we met in life?
We can't know for sure, but what about tonight?
Nevermind tomorrow, what about this moment?
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO NOW?"

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The Greatest Show On Earth:
Obviously, this song is about Facebook and the whole web 2.0 thing, and is definitely the most accessible song to people unfamiliar with the epicnicity that is Machinae. Very "now" and current, I can see this being their first single and music video..

I already shared my thoughts on this song that it might be a sarcastic commentary on the apathy of our lives today in the thread for the lyrics of this song.

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Remnant (March Of The Undead IV):
Is this the aftermath of the first song? A remnant of the religious war? A first-person perspective of the sole survivor?

"God - your will be done? Then you have gone too far.
Tell me the sun remains,
So you can see the pain that you have caused."

Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Caranfin on November 03, 2010, 12:58:51 am
Fallout: http://machinaesupremacy.com/music/albums/a-view-from-the-end-of-the-world/ --> Lyrics

Yay.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 01:00:33 am
I'm also going to quote Rob here for reference:

The new album, play by play:

1.   A View From The End of The World
A truly unmistakable Machinae Supremacy track, echoing songs like “Seventeen” and “Fighters From Ninne”.

2.   Force Feedback
This song is the very definition of SID METAL. Rolling kicks, insane ARPing, and a very melodic and epic chorus. This song also features a new female guest-star.

3.   Rocket Dragon
A war song. Very melodic, with a NES-inspired verse and an epic bridge. A classic NES-synth also roams the chorus. Epic guitar solo (over 1 minute long).

4.   Persona
Ever wonder what a rhodes piano would do in a Machinae Supremacy song? Wonder no more.
"...And though the war path hardly knows your name, all the same. The taste of blood between your teeth feels real."

5.   Nova Prospekt
Drawing inspiration from songs such as “Empire”, this modern fight song shifts between heavy and intense, but remains aggressive throughout.

6.   World of Light
Intro for Shinigami.

7.   Shinigami
A SID-punk anthem that combines elements from songs like “Sid Icarus”, “Return to Snake Mountain” and “Overworld”. Pure fast-paced win and awesome. The title of the intro to this song should pretty much make it clear which “Shinigami” reference this is.

8.   Cybergenesis
Guitar-heavy metal track with 80s-rock influences. Megaman-inspired verse, a lot of cool guitars, wah-wah-solo(s), and more. The story of the song is pretty cool too, but I’ll refrain from giving it away completely because I rather enjoy letting you guys interpret freely. Though it is an "original" story, not a reference.
"We placed the light of our sentience within the machinae, and we would send it to heaven to end God's regime."

9. Action Girl
An ode to all Action Girls out there. This track is metal by sound but action rock by design.

10. Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper
Playful punk song that touches upon a subject that any true gamer can relate to. "I always got the Most Knife Kills - Check your killcam to review my skills."

11. Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-Productive
Someone who enjoys GTA a bit too much will run into trouble playing games like Zelda. A bouncingly fun song about murder.

12. One Day in The Universe
A love song. Srly. This one might be one of those “old-style” Machinae Supremacy songs that take a few listens to get used to. Spinefarm actually suggested we cut it from the album but more or less thanks to Gordon's sister, it is still there. :)

13. The Greatest Show on Earth
Pure pop-metal song about the online generation (yeah, you/us).
“Oh how we’ve waited for this. Art, expression, and... Shared playlists.”

14. Remnant (march of the undead iv)
The 4th in the series of March of The Undead tracks from Machinae Supremacy. Heavy. Epic. What else would it be?

Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Slacker on November 03, 2010, 01:04:27 am
World Of Light:
Is it just me or does this seem out of place?

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Shinigami:
I'm not even going to try, I've never watched Death Note..
It only seems out of place if you haven't seen the anime.   ;)

World of Light is the intro to Shinigami, so they share the same theme.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 03, 2010, 01:05:32 am
Just a meaningless notice (like the ones I always do):
"Indiscriminate Murder Is Counter-Productive" is 12th Machinae track which have a predicate (verb) in its name!

I don't count "Hate", "Stand"*, "Return to Snake Mountain", "Skin", "Escape from the Krut" "Attack Music" as imperatives.
The last one would be pretty absurd, but grammatically (nearly) correct.

* or should I?

Even more meaningless notice: it's my 222. post and I have 2 Karma. :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 01:05:40 am
Fallout: http://machinaesupremacy.com/music/albums/a-view-from-the-end-of-the-world/ --> Lyrics

Yay.

Thanks Caranfin! Edited that into the OP :)

World Of Light:
Is it just me or does this seem out of place?

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Shinigami:
I'm not even going to try, I've never watched Death Note..
It only seems out of place if you haven't seen the anime.   ;)

World of Light is the intro to Shinigami, so they share the same theme.

Probably makes sense. I don't watch enough anime ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Lingwo on November 03, 2010, 01:12:46 am
I'd say this is probably their best album. Deus Ex Machinae was brilliant. I think this one just pips it.

Favourite tracks...
One Day In The Universe
The Greatest Show On Earth - Has a Radio Future vibe to it
Action Girl
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Bocom on November 03, 2010, 01:14:07 am
Let me just come out and say that I absolutely loathe the way the word "epic" is overused nowadays. Therefore, I won't call the album that, but that doesn't mean that I like the album less than someone who does.

Right, with that out of the way, I have to say that I'm gonna listen to it a few more times before passing judgment.

Initial reaction?

Well worth the wait.*

*which makes it even more annoying that I can't set aside some money to actually buy it right now. I hate being unemployed.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 03, 2010, 01:18:56 am
Fallout: http://machinaesupremacy.com/music/albums/a-view-from-the-end-of-the-world/ --> Lyrics

Yay.

A typo I have found!
Shinigami:
"I'm bored out of my scull"
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 01:26:14 am
Here's an interesting tidbit:

In Cybergenesis, the following quote is actually from Terminator 2:

"There's no fate but that which we make for ourselves" - Sarah Connor.

So maybe it's about the creation of some sort of robot to destroy God?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: megashroom° on November 03, 2010, 01:28:29 am
This one is alot like Overworld for me. That is, some songs I find briliant while others decent. My favourites after listening to it just a few times are definitely Action girl, Shinigami, Indiscriminate murder and A day in the universe.
I can't belive that Spinefarm actually wanted to cut that song from the album.

Over all great stuff. But really I'm just waiting for these guys to release another album as epic as Redeemer UE. That's the only one that stands strong from start to finish... in my opinion. <:
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 01:33:20 am
In the lyrics on the website, for CCHS, the line that says

"It really takes away all the thrill"

They actually sing

"It deals a lethal blow to the thrill"
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 01:35:02 am
CCHS:

"But even so you and me are far from OK"

is actually:

"But even so you and I are far from OK"



"Your camper shit slows down the game"
=
"Your lame bullshit slows down the game"

"Rather shoot in the back than react face to face"
=
"Shoot the back don't react face to face"


ODITU:

"(No matter) what we do, couldn’t make it that much worse"

The "No matter" isn't there..
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 01:49:11 am
If anyone else spots any incorrect lyrics, post them here and I will relay them back to Rob.

Or just post them straight here:

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=129428123777579&id=540869036&notif_t=share_reply
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 03, 2010, 01:54:27 am
If anyone else spots any incorrect lyrics, post them here and I will relay them back to Rob.

Or just post them straight here:

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=129428123777579&id=540869036&notif_t=share_reply

The link is, like, not working? Or is it just me?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 03, 2010, 01:56:29 am
If anyone else spots any incorrect lyrics, post them here and I will relay them back to Rob.

Or just post them straight here:

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=129428123777579&id=540869036&notif_t=share_reply

The link is, like, not working? Or is it just me?

How about this one?
http://www.facebook.com/stjarnstrom
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 03, 2010, 02:02:58 am
Oh well. Much better.  ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Arashikatsu on November 03, 2010, 03:11:49 am
You know an album is great when you feel your view of things has completely changed.  ;D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Laser.T on November 03, 2010, 03:36:25 am
Question: Was the album released with the US Senate/House elections in mind?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 03, 2010, 03:42:36 am
Here's an interesting tidbit:

In Cybergenesis, the following quote is actually from Terminator 2:

"There's no fate but that which we make for ourselves" - Sarah Connor.

So maybe it's about the creation of some sort of robot to destroy God?

"We placed the light of our sentience within the machinae, and we would send it to heaven to end God's regime."

Yeah... I think that's an accurate guess.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Saint on November 03, 2010, 03:45:31 am
Haha, the first lyric I really took note of was the Terminator quote in Cybergenesis.

Thanks for posting the lyrics Fallout; huge boost to my experience.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Laser.T on November 03, 2010, 04:44:44 am
I've only listened to it twice yet, but here are some of my responses:

Persona
Didn't really pick up on this song on the first listening, but the second time I buckled down and followed the lyrics. It's about people who find it easier to follow the crowd, rather than breaking away and being yourself.

Shinigami
The world from Light's point of view. Love it.
I don't see how all the SID fits in with Death Note, but it fits the song perfectly.

Cybergenesis
The lyrics are very interesting: Creationist vs Darwinists? We weren't specially created, but we're just a small fragment of the universe that has to make its own place? But Rob says there is an original story. It requires further listening.

Action Girl
I absolutely love the intro to this song!
And the lyrics... lol ;D Fun song.

Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper
Another fun song. Quite reminiscent of FLAK.

Indescriminate Murder Is Counter-Productive
When this song first came on, first I felt shock, then intrigue, then lulz, then love. It is currently my favorite, because it's so different.
I can only imagine this song is great to bounce along to live.
And i just love the image of a GTA player running around knifing everyone in Zelda.

One Day In The Universe
It can't be said enough, but thank god this song was kept in the album. Thank you, Gordon's sister. We approve you.
Is this song about people you know, perhaps? ;)

The Greatest Show On Earth
Can't help but be uplifted by this.  But I feel there's irony in those lyrics.

Remnant (MofU IV)
Nice and heavy :)
Is this song about how blind faith in whatever god turns people into mindless followers of dogma and spiteful leaders leading them to hurt others?
"For those who die all walk again" - die = get lost in blind belief?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 03, 2010, 05:09:23 am
I am pretty certain Remnant is the aftermath of the title track..
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Zortel on November 03, 2010, 05:50:53 am
Regarding World of Light being out of place, as someone mentioned, I think it serves as more of a tie in to the anime/manga the two tracks were inspired by.

World of Light cleanses the palette of the heavy sound of Nova Prospekt, to prepare it for the more SID-focused sound of Shinigami. It also lulls you in somewhat, a peaceful sound tthat at times reminds me of that classic western showdown sound (from 00:44 onwards) and then BAM, hit with the SID.

Speaking of Shinigami, I get hints of Steve coming through with the line of 'There is beauty in the fire when all lights are out' giving me memories of Steve's badass boast from Super Steve (Namely "The fire it knows me/and I can walk through the blaze without harm/forever it owes me/the life I lost in the dark"). I'm still not entirely sure as to who or what Steve is, but my best guess at the moment is that he is some sort of gestalt entity of the band's mind, that sneaks his way into various songs. (The opening of Need for Steve states 'We'll give you complete creative control', and 'Steve' takes over to sing about his style, individualism and how he's not going to go away. Which might be why Gimmie More was given a make over.)

I missed the dark ages reference in the title track, good spot there. Part of me feels the album has several stories One of War, one of Gaming, one of Internet. The Internet is summed up in four tracks, split into two parts:

Force Feedback + Nova Prospekt is the bad side of the internet. The problems with corporate and governmental interference and their lack of understanding and willingness to adapt, coupled with the mentality of some using the internet in a bad way to 'fight back' that only gives fuel to the fire, as well as some hints towards education and media indoctrination. I also think some lines refer to the phenomenon of Anonymous ("Jack in, let's spread some hate/hand out of pain awaits/oh my the fire rate" Trolling, flaming and DDoS attacks? "You are outnumbered ten times over." Anonymous is legion after all...)

The good side of the internet is represented by A Day in the Universe + The Greatest Show on Earth, showing what a tool for connectivity between people, and more importantly, ideas, it can be.

Persona is one I am still finding different facets to. Quite plain to see is the 'Be awesome, think awesome, do awesome' kind of message that MaSu is great for getting across. Mixed in with that I find is 'Don't listen to sad, depressing music and get yourself more down, put something bouncy on and strike out for better places' with perhaps 'The world is what you want it to be if you work for it, don't accept status quo.'

At first, I took Rocket Dragon to be some kind of villain protagonist. When Fallout mentioned the helicopter (Though it could also be a jet fighter/bomber) it clicks into place. "Stay down if once you have fallen - it's all coming down". Duck and Cover? Maybe this ties into the theme of track 1.

Cybergenesis gives me vibes of White Wolf's Exalted RPG. Especially the Abyssal Exalted. A 'dream of unmaking' 'defy all predictions and/end this design', 'the age of creation will fade/as we turn from grace'?

Action Girl, the last line strikes me for some reason. "No one said it would be easy for you... That's why I'm here to be your toy/Now take your clothes off and enjoy."
Is this a twist on the 'Oh, female protagonist in video games, it's for male titilation!' cries, painting female protagonists as strong, willful with their own drives and desires? And that maybe, gasp, sex might be somethiing women want to do as a way to destress? Or is there something else behind it?

Crouching Camper and Indescriminate Murder are songs that I expect will crop up in machinima. The latter sums up how I felt about Morrowind precisely, and I would be surprised if no WoW videos were made to it, and as for the other... well, those lines ring true
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 03, 2010, 06:04:31 am
Persona
Didn't really pick up on this song on the first listening, but the second time I buckled down and followed the lyrics. It's about people who find it easier to follow the crowd, rather than breaking away and being yourself.

This summary of Persona (my CD isn't here yet, fucking post office) makes it sound like a reminiscent polar opposite to Reanimator (March of the Undead Pt. 3).
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: nuTinmuch on November 03, 2010, 06:29:37 am
Just posting up my own review here.

http://www.notquiteliterally.com/?p=156

I'm impressed.

And here is a tl;dr for everyone from the end:

In short, remember that feeling that you got when you first picked up an SNES controller? Yeah. This album is just like that.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 03, 2010, 07:56:55 am
When the guitars come in just after "stock up on weapons and ammo before you go" in Nova Prospekt, I imagine the use of barrage ability while holding a shotgun in Stranglehold, Tequila loading the gun with rounds. :P (Comin' at ya Woo-Style!)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab5ZUn3f1wU[/youtube]

It just fits... rhytmically (more or less) and thematically.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Wiinis on November 03, 2010, 08:15:17 am
/disengage lurkmode

Hi, I'm at work and didn't have time to read through the whole thread, but I just wanted to briefly pop in to say the following: I never thought it possible, but I think EOTW might actually be better than RUE. Which is saying quite a lot, coming from me. By far my favourite songs are probably Persona (absolutely love the lyrics!), Rocket Dragon and The Show.

So a big thanks to MaSu for this album, it was well worth the wait!

Anyway, back to work, carry on! :)

/re-engage lurkmode
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Tritox on November 03, 2010, 08:58:21 am
I hereby compile my review of the latest album to one sentence:

Jizz in my pants.

There, now bugger off. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Moheeheeko on November 03, 2010, 09:17:21 am
Remnant.


oh


MY


GOD


I came  EVERYWHERE
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Afterburn on November 03, 2010, 11:07:06 am
Remnant.


oh


MY


GOD


I came  EVERYWHERE

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: gaijin on November 03, 2010, 12:59:17 pm
Just posting up my own review here.

http://www.notquiteliterally.com/?p=156

I'm impressed.

And here is a tl;dr for everyone from the end:

In short, remember that feeling that you got when you first picked up an SNES controller? Yeah. This album is just like that.


Well put.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Tritox on November 03, 2010, 01:46:28 pm
It seems Spinefarm doesn't stall much, View can be found from Spotify now as well. :o
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WereVolvo on November 03, 2010, 02:24:28 pm
It seems Spinefarm doesn't stall much, View can be found from Spotify now as well. :o

Must... resist... temptation! Cannot listen to it until I get the physical CD!  :-X
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Waltro on November 03, 2010, 02:30:42 pm
A freakin' love you guys... and everyone else... *listening to the album for the first time*
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: LymphoCite_T on November 03, 2010, 02:32:02 pm
waaaait, something's missing! where is any video?

btw. album is awsum, but not so metallish. :) :|
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Mithrandil on November 03, 2010, 04:19:33 pm
The album is pure epic Masuness :D
I must say this could be their best album so far :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: KB2k1 on November 03, 2010, 04:21:55 pm
Just got my copy today, and the first impression is really awsum :) Lots of things to discover ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: evilcandybag on November 03, 2010, 04:32:04 pm
Really like the album, songs that have stuck with me most so far are Rocket Dragon, Crouching Camper, Indiscriminate Murder. Overall, I feel the latter part of the album is the stronger one.

Will likely have this on repeat in my media player for the next month or so.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 03, 2010, 04:53:35 pm
We should all listen to it repeatedly on spotify so that masu gets money :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WereVolvo on November 03, 2010, 05:07:34 pm
Still no package from the machinaeshop. Goddamn postal service! *shakes fist*
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: JariWolf on November 03, 2010, 05:21:30 pm
After intensive listening I can say it's the best Machinae album for me. It's as fun and varied as Deus Ex Machinae but the song writing is better and there's lots of SID. Redeemer and Overworld felt somehow too "safe" as great as they are too. The new album has many top Machinae songs and some of Roberts best lyrics. My fave tracks are quite different than others here seem to prefer. Force Feedback, Persona and Shinigami. Force Feedback has epic SID, epic solo, great lyrics and additional female vocals. Persona again has some of Rob's best lyrics, great melancholic atmosphere and melodies. To me it feels like a combination of TTLG and Rise. Two faves from Redeemer. Shinigami is teh SIDgasm and very catchy. Surprised that not so many love it.

Action Girl is probably the song I like the least. Dunno why. Too soft? Not enough SID? and I'm gay? Cybergenesis also grows on me slowly.. but certainly.

I love this album so much I could explode.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: gaijin on November 03, 2010, 05:33:15 pm
Shinigami is pretty damn good, and on any other album that and Cybergenesis would stand out a lot more.. but in my mind they fade next to Persona. But that's in my mind, the same mind that brought you constant power-abuse for the last few years.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Moheeheeko on November 03, 2010, 06:00:17 pm
.. but in my mind they fade next to Persona.

To me, its Masquerade 2.0, and that is a very, VERY good thing.

In my almost 9 years of loving and listening to this band, they have NEVER failed to deliver, so much so in this case that every song on this album beats out my previous favorite.


/bow


IM NOT WORTHY!!!


EDIT: derp im an idiot
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: mumppis on November 03, 2010, 06:00:46 pm
Shinigami is pretty damn good, and on any other album that and Cybergenesis would stand out a lot more.. but in my mind they fade next to Persona. But that's in my mind, the same mind that brought you constant power-abuse for the last few years.

I'll abuse you at the release party :D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 03, 2010, 06:12:28 pm
they have NEVER failed to disappoint

this made me smile.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Napsteri on November 03, 2010, 06:38:17 pm
What is the point of preordering if the record doesnt arrive at the release date?!? Paid 20 extra to order from bands own store instead of my local store and no record today! No words to say how disappointed I am! :'(
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: mumppis on November 03, 2010, 06:43:17 pm
napsteri if you are from finland then blame the postal strike
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 03, 2010, 06:47:16 pm
I ordered from RecordshopX and have not recieved my packade either. I guess the postal strike affect them as well ?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: evilcandybag on November 03, 2010, 06:47:33 pm
What is the point of preordering if the record doesnt arrive at the release date?!? Paid 20 extra to order from bands own store instead of my local store and no record today! No words to say how disappointed I am! :'(

This:
napsteri if you are from finland then blame the postal strike

The band have said themselves that they'd mail the preorders so that the ETA (under normal circumstances) would be on or just by the release date. With a postal service strike, I'd say you should be happy if you get it att all, as such things tend to fuck things up royally.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: gaijin on November 03, 2010, 07:14:04 pm
What is the point of preordering if the record doesnt arrive at the release date?!? Paid 20 extra to order from bands own store instead of my local store and no record today! No words to say how disappointed I am! :'(

..also, don't you order from the bands store to support the band, and not to get it as fast as possible?

Besides, it's on spotify... so listen there, if you can't wait.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Napsteri on November 03, 2010, 07:54:01 pm
What is the point of preordering if the record doesnt arrive at the release date?!? Paid 20 extra to order from bands own store instead of my local store and no record today! No words to say how disappointed I am! :'(

..also, don't you order from the bands store to support the band, and not to get it as fast as possible?

Besides, it's on spotify... so listen there, if you can't wait.

Ordering from bands store to support band AND get the record on time. Sorry my outburst, I am just disappointed. BTW finland is nowadays pretty ff'ed up country. First airwaystrike, now apparently postalstrike. What next? Play house and police state?  O0
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: gaijin on November 03, 2010, 07:58:34 pm
Disappointment is always a sure-fire way of getting away with blaming someone for something a third party does? ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: biomass on November 03, 2010, 08:01:36 pm
No words suitable to describe, but I'll echo the statement that MaSu does not disappoint.

From the site releases to EOTW, there are few to nill songs that I'd skip over.  Few bands with that kind of staying power come to mind.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 03, 2010, 08:23:56 pm
The CD hath arrived! Let's sound the rage of hell!
I'll write my opinion later. ;)

EDIT 1:
I've listened to half the album right now and the only new songs (for me) are the title one, Persona and World of Light.  ::)
But overall it's, like, instant <3.

EDIT 2:
Only three words:
Cybergenesis. FUCK YEAH!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Drakonis on November 03, 2010, 08:35:05 pm
Fucking faeries from space.  8)

So ya. I basically am going to bare the children of Persona, Shinigami, Indiscriminate Murder, and Cybergenesis (current songs stuck in my head to hum along with).

Album is 10/10. I won't compare it to other albums because I would defeat what makes MaSu albums special. They all have MaSu style but sound completely different. Different sounds, genre bends, and themes. This is why I am never dissapointed. We all know by now MaSu songs rock. Keeping this fresh for like 9 years is fsking special though.

I'll continue to listen to other albums as I always have. Well once I feel like turning this album off autorepeat ;).

I'll give more specific thoughts later. But damn is this good. I just wanna run around the office and shove my earbuds into everyones ears. After this long there still isn't a single song I don't like. Play any of them, play them all. But right now Im in the mood for more EOTW, so excuse me while I go rawk out. ;)

Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: GriZZly on November 03, 2010, 08:45:15 pm
I'm surprised no one mentioned the title track. So far it's my favorite along with the last track.

I just like the mood of those songs =) Though every track is awesome in it's own way. Currently it's the most polished MaSu album for me with little to none flaws.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 03, 2010, 09:15:50 pm
Am I the only one getting a feeling that the beginning of Action Girl is the music playing in a peaceful city in an RPG game, and then switches to the overworld theme as you leave the city? Thus the sudden change in the intro. :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: BLahz on November 03, 2010, 09:25:44 pm
Total. Fucking. Awesome.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Wanderer on November 03, 2010, 09:29:33 pm
I ordered the album from recordstore x and received mine today \o/

Been listening to it for about 12 hrs now nonstop... can't stop listening...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 03, 2010, 09:40:54 pm
Oh well.
Now I can die content.

Remnant is superb. It couldn't be otherwise, it's March of the Undead after all.
The chorus reminds me of Violator, and although I never considered it some kind of "March of the Undead 3.5", now I see it suits a bit.
I would put it between II and III though, just to keep the right pace.


Back on topic: some cool intros there are, especially Action Girl, Rocket Dragon and Cybergenesis.
Indiscriminate Murder is so awesome. I smiled widely all the way through it while looking at the lyrics. The biggest (positive!) surprise.
I noticed a long awaited return of the movie quotes / fragments real radio transmissions/whatevs like these put in songs -  A View... and Action Girl.
This is what I've been waiting for. Among other things, of course.

I've listened through it... surprisingly fast, but it's due to the fact I knew 4 (5) songs before. :) What can I say...
This
is
SID METAAAL!


PS
Where is the quotation in the CD case in the place for the disc?  :o
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Ecko on November 03, 2010, 10:09:18 pm
Third time listening to this album I haven't got so I am listening on spotify. Damn mailman...

What to say? I am speechless. I am out of words to describe this.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Tolkki on November 03, 2010, 10:39:20 pm
I can't even describe how much i like this album, all i can say that after i started listening Persona, i started to cry. Yes, cry, but for happines of course. The crying lasted to the end of the album (and to the end of second and third listening  ;D). For the favourites i'll say that Persona, Action Girl and Shinigami are the best, but the songs on this album are all almost at the same levul of awesomenes, some tracks repeat themselves a bit too much, but in all other ways this is best music that i have ever heard, and propably will be the best music i will ever hear, unless MaSu makes more music... This album reminds me from the years when i played on nes and snes, and espessialy Crouching Camper Hidden Snipers solo reminds me from Shatterhand on nes, it sounds a bit same than the boss track in the game...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 04, 2010, 12:05:58 am
I've listened through it... surprisingly fast, but it's due to the fact I knew 4 (5) songs before. :) What can I say...

You mean to tell me you skipped over the leaked songs? Bad boy, bad, bad. *gets out whip* I command you to listen to the uncompressed Force Feedback and Shinigami. NOW!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 04, 2010, 12:39:14 am
I've listened through it... surprisingly fast, but it's due to the fact I knew 4 (5) songs before. :) What can I say...

You mean to tell me you skipped over the leaked songs? Bad boy, bad, bad. *gets out whip* I command you to listen to the uncompressed Force Feedback and Shinigami. NOW!

I didn't skip them! It's just a phenomenon when you already know something (a song, a film) you seem to listen to / watch it... faster (which physically doesn't occur, it's just a subjective feeling). I mean - they didn't surprise me, so it was almost like listening to old stuff. ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: megashroom° on November 04, 2010, 03:31:37 am
I don't know if anybody already pointed it out. But the "There it goes! Look at that bitch go! Patoosh! Did it look good? Sweet." in the end of the title track is taken from a leaked video of american soldiers murdering Iraqi civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 04, 2010, 04:24:24 am
I don't know if anybody already pointed it out. But the "There it goes! Look at that bitch go! Patoosh! Did it look good? Sweet." in the end of the title track is taken from a leaked video of american soldiers murdering Iraqi civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik

Yep, the Collateral Murder video, right? And I believe it's "bazoosh!"
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Althalos on November 04, 2010, 09:11:02 am
Force Feedback, Rocket Dragon, A View From The End Of The World, Nova Prospekt and the rest of the album - simply awesome.
Indiscrimitane Murder - Holy cow! I had to stop the playback while listening to it for the first time and have a good laugh, that song is a pure win (and addictive)! Fun Metal anyone?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Ecko on November 04, 2010, 02:52:55 pm
Ok now I am seriously disappoint... Still no message or package from Machinaeshop.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WilllemNL on November 04, 2010, 03:26:17 pm
Received mine today, yay! The album is POWERFUL. That's what I like most about it. It's a tad raw, the riffs are so sharp, the drums are really awesome. Comparing this to any of your previous material, I think this album contains the best songwriting. It's not cliché (as some of the other, though GREAT works). It's really interesting. It doesn't bore one second, whilst other of my favorite bands who have released a new albums this year  (Coheed and Cambria, Volbeat and more) do! OK, I'm only halfway listening not btw, Shinigami is blasting now, great. I think Nova Prospekt is so much WIN. That's just amazing.
See you in 30 minutes or so.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 04, 2010, 03:48:45 pm
Ok now I am seriously disappoint... Still no message or package from Machinaeshop.

Blame your local post office (terrorists?). One guy on here in Chicago got his 3 days before I did (I got it yesterday, November 3rd) in Central Jersey. Late deliveries are *not* the band's fault.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Chipp on November 04, 2010, 03:56:30 pm
How awesome the new album is can't be describe in words. At least I don't know such words.
It's just so amazing that I really don't know what to say, I'm speechless.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Tritox on November 04, 2010, 03:58:02 pm
Late deliveries are *not* the band's fault.
QFT. If I recall right, records were shipped on Monday at latest so no point coming here and complaining about it.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WilllemNL on November 04, 2010, 04:00:47 pm
Ok, listened the thing from start to end. AWE-SUM. I noticed many different opinions here, especially about what are the MOST awesome songs. I think I love Nova Prospekt and Force Feedback most, but LOL, Action Girl and Indiscriminate are so much fun. I really had some laughs there, great! Fantastisc album, just fantastic!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Ecko on November 04, 2010, 04:38:27 pm
Fun metal! Can't believe I already have a song on repeat, that isn't good but comon, indiscriminate murder is just that awesome!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Member on November 04, 2010, 07:26:43 pm
A bit lighter than the prevs, but still awesome. I can't beat Rocket Dragon out my ears, it's perfect. The SID parts of Indiscriminate Murder Is Conte and Action Girl are much fun, it reminds me of Jets'n'Guns.
The greates show on Earth was a nice present to fans, it could be played at every gig at the end of the concert.
Shinigami made me disappointed. It has no Death Note atmosphere at all, I thought it will have some symphonic parts or voices from DN.
There were many too common tracks (A View From The End Of The World; Cybergenesis; One Day In The World), I would replace them with game like instrumentals next time. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 04, 2010, 09:44:36 pm
Indiscriminate Murder Is Conte
One Day In The World

Somebody here got the rip with wrong names and tags (one I was talking about - these were precisely the mistakes) and thinks they are correct!
or is simply kidding, which I hope for.  :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Waruar on November 04, 2010, 09:52:24 pm
Wow, I actually logged in after years only to comment on the new album.
In short: a dissapointment.

And now for the longer answer:
In terms of song writing, melodies, use of SID and overall musical variety, the band has been going downhill since Redeemer. To me, A View From The End of The World (God, even the NAME is annoying) is nothing less than hitting the bottom. Even Overworld showed sad signs of MaSu becoming "a brand", with increased synths, more straightforward lyrics and overall more "radio friendly" sound. This was certainly not to my liking, considering how awesome album Redeemer really was.

Now, A View From The... is not a very surprising product (as wasn't Overworld). It actually does everything I expected it to: more synth, less everything else, and even more apparent references to video game / anime culture. What I did not expect were things like totally uncatchy choruses and forgettable lyrics. It also came as a surprise that it actually takes a while to be able to tell the songs apart... something that hasn't happened before. Even in Overworld, there was at least something to each song to make it different than the rest. With the new album, this is just not the case.

So yeah, this album didn't make me "jizz my pants". I was kinda excited when I had a short talk with Robert after the Overworld promotion gig in Finland, and he told me they were experimenting with a more orchestral sound than before. I was expecting for more Empire, but that just didn't happen.

Now would be the appropriate time for some fanboy rage, yes?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Crazywater on November 04, 2010, 10:12:15 pm
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Wow, interesting read. I think you are the first one to comment here who thinks the new album sucks  ;) If I remember correctly, there was more "NEEDS MOAR SID" bitching and the like after Overworld and Redeemer.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WilllemNL on November 04, 2010, 10:12:48 pm
You have no clue what you are talking about!  >:( Happy now?  ;)

But, I can understand your opinion. I do not agree A View is more 'commercial friendly' than Overworld, I think it stands out more as a unique product than Overworld. There is more synth definetly, which is something I very much enjoy. I think this is something to like or not to like, it doesn't have anything to do with MaSu going downhill (if you/anyone would think so, I do not).
When listening to songs like Nova Prospekt or Force Feedback I can only conclude those are very powerful songs, nothing like was on Overworld. That would mean A View is the exact opposite of Overworld. In contrast are songs like Action Girl and Indiscriminite Murder, which are more poppy, but also contain a lot of humor and jokes. I think that is a very good sign of not being commercial, more pop or radio friendly.

Then again... the OVERALL sound of the record is, how it's produced, is more radio friendly than ever. But the music itself has become more raw, more metal IMO.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 04, 2010, 10:15:18 pm
Well, it's all a matter of taste, since Redeemer and A View are very different. But with one thing I must agree - those apparent and uber straightforward references to video games sometimes do sound cheesy.

I somehow miss Redeemer, where all the songs had that "mystic" feel and all was a lot harder to interpret.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Waruar on November 04, 2010, 10:27:54 pm
Wow, interesting read. I think you are the first one to comment here who thinks the new album sucks  ;) If I remember correctly, there was more "NEEDS MOAR SID" bitching and the like after Overworld and Redeemer.
If there's something I've learned, it is to never listen too closely to what fans want. You should create music for your own joy, not for the joy of others. But I have to admit that the actual amount of SID itself is just an opinion. To me, SID in MaSu has always been "the tip of the iceberg", the thing that made the band's awesomeness extra-awesome. When you overuse it, it becomes tiring. This already happened with Overworld.

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But the music itself has become more raw, more metal IMO.
This is where I disagree completely, and is also one of my biggest complaints with the album. There is hardly anything "metallish" here. Even the guitar seems to be toned down, in favor of the synths. It's more pop than anything else. Whether this is a bad thing or not, is for everyone to decide for their own.

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I somehow miss Redeemer, where all the songs had that "mystic" feel and all was a lot harder to interpret.
This is exactly what I meant when I said the songwriting's been going downhill. There used to be topics for analyzing the band's lyrics and there was always some kind of hook to each song's writing. Now it's just thinking of a videogame or anime everyone knows and building the lyrics from there. Hell, even the names give the origin away !
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: JariWolf on November 04, 2010, 10:30:40 pm
Wow, I actually logged in after years only to comment on the new album.
In short: a dissapointment.

And now for the longer answer:
In terms of song writing, melodies, use of SID and overall musical variety, the band has been going downhill since Redeemer. To me, A View From The End of The World (God, even the NAME is annoying) is nothing less than hitting the bottom. Even Overworld showed sad signs of MaSu becoming "a brand", with increased synths, more straightforward lyrics and overall more "radio friendly" sound. This was certainly not to my liking, considering how awesome album Redeemer really was.

So yeah, this album didn't make me "jizz my pants". I was kinda excited when I had a short talk with Robert after the Overworld promotion gig in Finland, and he told me they were experimenting with a more orchestral sound than before. I was expecting for more Empire, but that just didn't happen.

Now would be the appropriate time for some fanboy rage, yes?

Pretty much everyone except you wanted more SID and video game references. Actually most people weren't expecting them to up the SID for this release. For me this album is more like Deus Ex Machinae which means more varied than Redeemer and Overworld. Also less radio friendly unless you only want to count in and listen One Day In The Universe and Greatest Show On Earth that are radio friendly pop rock songs but excellent ones at that. Rogue World Asylum and I Know The Reaper are poppy too and radio friendly but not as much.

Pro tip: Don't imagine in your head how an album will sound like and then get disappointed when the sound/style doesn't match your expectations. How many times have you listened the new album? I have already heard some people whine the new album has too much or too little SID. I guess it all comes down to that you can't please everyone. I think the guy who whined the new album has no SID has his ears made of plastic.

Member should also listen the album some more.

Also seems like with Machinae even when the band changes slightly somebody always throws a fit.

Redeemer has many songs that are easy to interpret.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 04, 2010, 10:42:25 pm
Redeemer has many songs that are easy to interpret.

Now compare the "easy" to Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper, for instance.
In my humble opinion it's a big difference - you could interpret Redeemer's songs in A LOT of ways, but A View has every song built around a general concept which is hard to miss.
Of course you could argue, but that's just my thoughts. Redeemer still is the best MaSu album for me. Maybe it's the quality, but maybe I'm just sentimental.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 04, 2010, 10:44:51 pm
I find the songs on EOTW much more "literal" - I find it much easier to read into these songs and discover just what they were about. That may be because I feel more 'in tune' with the guys these days, after following the band for 7 or 8 years I feel like I understand exactly what they're saying.

I love the new album and the new style. It feels like they've gone back to their roots and said "well, ok - this works, but how can we make it better?". It's much more experimental and they've done some beautiful things to their old, perfect formula. For example, I heard at least 5 brand new guitar tones from Jonne. I can't wait to experiment with them with my GuitarPOD when they release them :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Mithrandil on November 04, 2010, 10:50:38 pm
The riff in Action Girl is fuckin' catching :P Been listening to the album the album A LOT the last couple days, and suddenly that riff just caught on to me :P And is it me, or is this the first album with some wahwah soloing?

And I don't quite get the "it's not metal enough" comments... Imo the album is just as heavy as their older albums. It's SID metal, not Commodore Death Metal. (hmm, that just might be kinda funny to listen to tbh :P) It doesnt have to be as heavy as a brick wall landing on you to be metal...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: JariWolf on November 04, 2010, 10:59:25 pm
I love the new album and the new style. It feels like they've gone back to their roots and said "well, ok - this works, but how can we make it better?". It's much more experimental and they've done some beautiful things to their old, perfect formula.

I agree with Fallout :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 04, 2010, 11:16:42 pm
The fact that you think the songs are more literal now only goes to show we made the hidden meanings less obvious ;) win ;P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 04, 2010, 11:19:12 pm
That's cheating, hax0ring!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 04, 2010, 11:31:25 pm
I agree that CCHS is simple, but only on one layer!
You could think of it this way: it's about someone who wants to "fight" (i.e. be independent, stand against the system, etc.), but is pretty much idle, waits only for the most suitable occasions to act and is not willing to take any risks. He is therefore criticized by a real "fighter", who is always in the frontline of the fray and embodies what the first person would probably like to be, but due to laziness/fear isn't.
"Your lame bullshit slows down the game" means nothing less than "We can fight this abusive system, but we gotta REALLY take action, so move your ass; don't make stupid excuses since you declared your participation in the brawl."
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WereVolvo on November 05, 2010, 12:25:56 am
Gah, still haven't received my album and t-shirt. Damn postal service! Either that, or the customs people've still got it detained and are masturbating over it as we speak  :P

I gave in yesterday and started to listen to it on Spotify though... it blew me away. Good job, guys!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 05, 2010, 01:09:50 am
More details later, short post for now just to get in the mix.

Album favorites: Indiscriminate Murder is Counter Productive and Persona. The former is on repeat at this very moment. The latter reminds me of my (still) all time favorite, Reanimator (March of the Undead 3).

11. Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-Productive
Someone who enjoys GTA a bit too much will run into trouble playing games like Zelda. A bouncingly fun song about murder.

I have to say, that this is much more true for games like Oblivion than Zelda. Since, last I checked, you can't kill quest npcs in Zelda... however, I have a habit of Ranged Crit Sneak Attacking EVERYTHING outside city limits in Oblivion... and thus have probably missed killing whole colonies of fairies from space  :P

Album least favorites: Cybergenesis and Action Girl. I'm not giving up on them, they may grow on me. Kaori Stomp took a couple years to grow on me, and is now one of my favorites from RUE. But for the moment... I just don't like the music in those two.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: JariWolf on November 05, 2010, 01:17:08 am
Album least favorites: Cybergenesis and Action Girl. I'm not giving up on them, they may grow on me. Kaori Stomp took a couple years to grow on me, and is now one of my favorites from RUE. But for the moment... I just don't like the music in those two.

Those were difficult to get into. Now I like them.. but still maybe my least fave songs as all others are so awesome.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 05, 2010, 02:12:15 am
The fact that you think the songs are more literal now only goes to show we made the hidden meanings less obvious ;) win ;P
Please at least let me know I was right on the sarcasm of The Greatest Show On Earth.

I think it says something that the title is what many circuses are referred to as. "Come, see the greatest show on earth! The freakshow circus!", meaning that whilst everything is all happy and simple and nice on Facebook, we are all just a bunch of freaks and misfits. Even the melody sounds sarcastic.

Tell me I'm right. :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: JariWolf on November 05, 2010, 03:16:15 am
I love being the freak.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 05, 2010, 09:56:32 am
I actually think that the greatest show on earth is right here online. :) The song doesn't really analyze the character of that show, beyond the facts I state in the chorus: We excel at passing time, and we share our hearts and our minds.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Wheim on November 05, 2010, 10:35:01 am
Finally gave in and have are listening on Spotify atm (damn fsking lazy mail-guys). And I don't really know what to say... epic, awesome, brilliant, nothing really feels covering for this..

Have only done one full listening yet, but the songs I like the most currently are A View From the End of the World, Persona and Cybergenesis. That does not, however, mean that the others are any less awesome

Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Crazywater on November 05, 2010, 01:15:26 pm
Spinefarm-package arrived in Switzerland  :o

afk joy and happiness

Edit: I meant RecordshopX
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Althalos on November 05, 2010, 02:03:42 pm
11. Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-Productive
Someone who enjoys GTA a bit too much will run into trouble playing games like Zelda. A bouncingly fun song about murder.

I have to say, that this is much more true for games like Oblivion than Zelda. Since, last I checked, you can't kill quest npcs in Zelda... however, I have a habit of Ranged Crit Sneak Attacking EVERYTHING outside city limits in Oblivion... and thus have probably missed killing whole colonies of fairies from space  :P

Hell yea, I still remember my Oblivion and Fallout 3 rampages! Someone, take this song out of my head!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fabexxx on November 05, 2010, 03:37:27 pm
This album is outstanding to compare it to albums from other metal-/bands.
It is well-thought-out and lyrically mature and interesting. On my opinion they should make a video for Greatest Show finally become world-stars and tour all over =D! What's wrong that such a band  still cannot make it up to a europe tour & things like that :(

Persona and Cybergensis and A View from the end itself are my favorites right now Oo aaaawweeesome
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 05, 2010, 04:23:52 pm
After a couple of listenigs more, I can say a few words concerning some tracks...
1. A View... - Nice one. No particular thoughts or impressions concerning this one yet, but I enjoy it overall. I like the use of some serious numbers. :P Side note: This is the first title track with the title itself being sung. DXM had a title song, but the words "Deus Ex Machinae" don't appear in the lyrics; Redeemer's leading track has a word "Redeemer" within, but is called differently; Overworld - same situation as DXM.
4. Persona - In my opinion: Edge and Pearl 2. Which I <3. The intro could be a little longer, but it sounds exceptional whatsoever. I have a concept of a video to it, but maybe I'll share it later. ;)
7. Shinigami - needs moar s... oh well, I guess more you couldn't pack more only because the track isn't longer. ;)
8. Cybergenesis - still getting at me. A few more listens and I'll appreciate it more than I do now.
9. Action Girl - nice pace and use of synths, but what it makes it different is the theme. :)
10. Crouching Camper... / 11. Indiscriminate Murder... - I talk about these two as a whole, cause they invoke similar emotions. ;) Love the chorus and rhytm of CCHS. And IMICP... holy green chickens from outer space, it's so cool. This is win. PERIOD.
12. One Day... - least liked. It'll need more listens to hear something really special, I guess.
14. Remnant - first part - as expected. Dark, grim and monumental. I didn't see the final, strong part coming. All in all, it is or might make ground for another strong turn in the MotU series. Any chances for part V? ;)

A general note - although it might seem I don't like or am indifferent about half the songs, there is no bad track. This is just a big load of material to process. :)
What can I say... awesome!

EDIT: The very beginning of CCHS is strinkingly sililar to Green Day's St. Jimmy... at least I immediately thought about the latter upon first listening to the former. :P

EDIT2: If they had released World of Light instead of any of the songs, it wouldn't have been insufficient. One little, yet fantastic piece of music.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Haastrain on November 05, 2010, 06:39:35 pm
Got my CD in yesterday (Texas). I wanted to give several listens before posting my thoughts.

The more punk-ish songs are growing on me more and more as I listen. I only have some punk music in my collection, as it's generally a genre I don't enjoy as much, but this shit is great. Favorite song atm has to be Remnant, such an epic finish to the album, and definitely does the March of the Undead series justice. Lyrics in EOTW are definitely the best of any masu yet, some songs reminding me of the nerdier lyrics of older material, and yet plenty of seriously powerful lyrics more like the newer stuff, great to see a nice blend here. Drums sound great, and as a Rock Band Pro Drummer, I really hope to be able to throw down some of this on drums. But still, as always, I'm sure the album will continue to get better as I listen to it more, it's how it always works. Each album that has been released I have liked better than the one before with enough listens, so good chance this could beat Overworld as my fav, well see  ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Sirix on November 05, 2010, 07:32:50 pm
Just got it in the mail! My heart is pounding like thunder.

But I have to go out for a few hours then listen later.

ARGH.

Can't wait. Review 10/10 in ANTICIPATION ONLY.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 05, 2010, 07:46:20 pm
Damn, all this talk of this awesome album makes me want to listen to it more myself. :) -turns on and blasts away-
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: ~futilite~ on November 05, 2010, 08:11:41 pm
After first listen, my impression is good ;)
Btw, first thought while listening to Persona: "Wow, it is really as good as everyone said" :P

I somehow have to agree that Redeemer has the most memorable tracks for me. But I think the reason might be that I was younger and different from who I am today, kind of.
Well, let's see how much the new album is burning itself into my mind.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 05, 2010, 09:10:50 pm
The Murder song is a real killer! My gf asks me to play it all the time, and I have had it on repeat for 2 hors now :D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Ecko on November 05, 2010, 09:20:10 pm
The Murder song is a real killer! My gf asks me to play it all the time, and I have had it on repeat for 2 hors now :D

Ye, I had this song on my mind for 6 hours today until I finally got home and could play it in Spotify (haven't got my album yet, I live in Sweden -.-).

It is seriously AWESOME. Right now Murder song, the first song and Persona are the ones that I can't stop myself from listening to on repeat. This isn't healthy after only listening to the album 5 times...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fabexxx on November 05, 2010, 10:03:48 pm
Album least favorites: Cybergenesis and Action Girl. I'm not giving up on them, they may grow on me. Kaori Stomp took a couple years to grow on me, and is now one of my favorites from RUE. But for the moment... I just don't like the music in those two.

Cybergenesis killed me from the start... the melody of the chorus is so scatchy and the lyrics are interesting  ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 06, 2010, 02:50:57 am
The fact that you think the songs are more literal now only goes to show we made the hidden meanings less obvious ;) win ;P

I'm taking that as a challenge.

I think "Indiscriminate Murder" is actually NOT about video game killing sprees, but an oblique reference to the same thing "Rocket Dragon" refers to directly: the firing on by helicopter of Iraqui civilians. I think the song's subject, like those pilots/gunners, likes killing so much he/they were making excuses to kill any random person they saw, whether or not they were actually targets of their flyby mission.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Chronologix on November 06, 2010, 05:44:11 am
my mailman makes me sad :(

I have still not gotten mine yet....
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 06, 2010, 01:49:53 pm
This album is certainly strange. My least favorite song - Shinigami suddenly became my favorite in like two days. WTF
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WereVolvo on November 06, 2010, 01:57:20 pm
Yeah, the whole album starts out awesome, and then it grows on ya until it's twice as awesome.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 06, 2010, 04:16:27 pm
And there's a difference between the facebook and retail version of "The greatest show on earth". The line "and I can hear the whole world call" is no longer filtered through highpass and distorted.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 06, 2010, 05:18:01 pm
Some random thought of mine.

There is certainly a difference between radio-rip and album quality of Shinigami. Now I like it much more and World of Light is a great opener.
The song is now making its way to the top of my faves from this album.

I noticed the link between Persona and Nova Prospekt... pretty obvious:
Persona: "Put on your new face and run run run"
Nova Prospekt: "Last stand now, go go go | the time for running now is over"

Is the technique applied in Persona the same as the one used in Raison Meets Sara (produced by hubnester Industries)? Sounds similar, but I'm not much technical.



Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 06, 2010, 07:48:52 pm
And there's a difference between the facebook and retail version of "The greatest show on earth". The line "and I can hear the whole world call" is no longer filtered through highpass and distorted.

Welcome to compression, my friend.

I ripped the album to this PC in .wav = P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 07, 2010, 12:07:43 am
Turns out it was just my imagination. It sounds the same, but of course the CD quality is a lot bettur.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Drakonis on November 07, 2010, 01:16:50 am
My official review of the new album:

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh281/DrakonisR0x/photo.jpg)

That is all, continue. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: biomass on November 07, 2010, 03:58:18 am
I think "Indiscriminate Murder" is actually NOT about video game killing sprees, but an oblique reference to the same thing "Rocket Dragon" refers to directly: the firing on by helicopter of Iraqui civilians. I think the song's subject, like those pilots/gunners, likes killing so much he/they were making excuses to kill any random person they saw, whether or not they were actually targets of their flyby mission.

I'm beginning to get a similar impression, would definitely tie the two songs together nicely.  Pilot/gunner seeking revenge for a grievance and it doesn't particularly matter if someone unrelated gets in the way.  I'm thinking that "RD" refers to how pilots/gunners would justify or explain what he did, while "IM" refers to what they thought while pulling the trigger.

I recall past discussions where literal comparisons to video games are usually the tip of the iceberg.  Lovin' the metaphors.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Laser.T on November 07, 2010, 04:09:08 am
The album has made it to Japan!

But I've already listened to it multiple times and given my first impressions already, so... this is irrelevant.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Woodchuck on November 07, 2010, 05:01:17 am
OK i love this new album.  i finally got it in the mail today ia i gave it a full lisen through sadly only 3 times.  but SWEET :D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: LymphoCite_T on November 07, 2010, 05:08:25 pm
(WARNING: this review is full of religious "bullshit", as some might say, and personal opinions)

My take on rating new album's songs:

The album is full of contrast, some parts are very nice, but some just bring you down.
The lyrics are more direct than in previous albums, less poetry, but more rationality.


1. A View From The End of The World
cool intro (+++),verse doesn't match chorus (-), catchy (++), insulting (----) lyrics, nice synth solo (+++), cool guitar solo (++++)
overall:nice, but...

2. Force Feedback
intro!(+++++), false-singing on chorus(--), verse(+), clean+heavy part (+++), part sung by Tova (++++), japanese part (++), solo (++--+-+-), outro synth(++)
overall:cool as backround. not sux but solo...

3. Rocket Dragon
awesome synths (+++++++), cool riff (++++), vocal sounds bad (--), AWESOME solo (++++++++++++++++++++++++), sin against the Holy Spirit ("aIbdamIktGf") (------------------)
overall:very very nice song, and lyrics r not.

4. Persona
Ronin-style song, brings back good memories (++++), empowering lyrics (+++++++)
overall: cool song

5.Nova Prospekt
Everything is cool (++++)*5, synth vs guitar duel (++++)  but there is no pure AWSUM (-----)
overall: good, but after 400 listens you get bored

6. World of Light
overall: BEAUTIFUL :)

7. Shinigami
catchy lyrics (+++), a wondrous design :D (+++), powerful bass (+++), catchy (++++), not really ambitious (---)
overall: cool, but not really artistic

8. Cybergenesis
Very nice chorus (++), synths (+); splendid, awesome solo that beats all Metallica's solos (+++++++++++) :D
extremely blasphemic lyrics(------------------------------) :F
in overall the song is just a crap :D

9. Action Girl
funny, nice lyrics (+++), cool riffs(++++) reminds gianna sisters(++++), cool solo (+++++)
overall:much fun

10. Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper
AWESOME LYRICS (++++++), AWESOME GUITAR PARTS (+++++), AWESOME VERSES & CHORUS (++++) and.. crap solo :( (------)
overall: cool song

11.Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-Productive
very funny lyrics(++++), very catchy(+++++), really good solo (+++), maybe too many repetitions of text (--)
overall: very nice song

12. One Day in the Universe
nice lyrics (my experiences tell me they are cool ;) ) (+++++), pop-like (--), nice melody (++++), nice solo (+++), OLD MaSu!!! ;) (++++++++)
overall: really cool song

13. The Greatest Show on Earth
ROCK! (+++), no metal (--), inspirating (++++), facebitch power verse I headbang to!!! :D (++++++++)
overall:nice.

14. Remnant
synths (+++), cool outro (+++++++) everything else (--------------------------------)
Surely the worst MotU so far, and I hope that it's the worst MotU ever. deplorable. zero ambition. sux. what to say more?
("GOD!! not this song again!","tell me! why should I even listen to this *thing*")

my faves are 4-5 minute songs, free of antireligious bullshit (from Action Girl to One Day in the Universe)

(i'm not too eloquent, but imma geek, so forgive me plz)

and... I don't care if U say i'm retarded or whatever. that is just what i think, and I don't mean to insult anybody, or to be an asshole.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Tarmil on November 07, 2010, 05:16:08 pm
Listening to a new MaSu album has gotten me every time, and this one is no exception: all songs are so awesome that I'm absolutely unable to tell which ones I prefer :D
It'll probably take a few listens for some to stand out.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 07, 2010, 06:01:45 pm

false-singing on chorus(--),

sin against the Holy Spirit ("aIbdamIktGf") (------------------)

extremely blasphemic lyrics(------------------------------) :F


everything else (--------------------------------)
Surely the worst MotU so far, and I hope that it's the worst MotU ever. deplorable. zero ambition. sux. what to say more?
("GOD!! not this song again!","tell me! why should I even listen to this *thing*")

my faves are 4-5 minute songs, free of antireligious bullshit




Yes, that was a lot of bullshit from you.

Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: LymphoCite_T on November 07, 2010, 06:14:09 pm



sin against the Holy Spirit ("aIbdamIktGf") (------------------)

extremely blasphemic lyrics(------------------------------) :F


my faves are 4-5 minute songs, free of antireligious bullshit




Yes, that was a lot of bullshit from you.

These surely weren't...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: mumppis on November 07, 2010, 06:17:24 pm
so actually someone here is stupid enough to believe in the bible?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: LymphoCite_T on November 07, 2010, 06:18:39 pm
so actually someone here is stupid enough to believe in the bible?

You may call it as You like to, but I do.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 07, 2010, 06:19:26 pm
so actually someone here is stupid enough to believe in the bible?

Not only that, but saying that the songs are "crap" because they insult the "holy spirit"

like, wth?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 07, 2010, 06:21:25 pm
Pretty awkward to love Machinae Supremacy and hate them for what they are about at the same time.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 07, 2010, 06:23:07 pm
Pretty awkward to love Machinae Supremacy and hate them for what they are about at the same time.

Thats religion in a nutshell for you :)

Love thy neighbour, but kill those who don´t believe in your god
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: LymphoCite_T on November 07, 2010, 06:25:26 pm
Pretty awkward to love Machinae Supremacy and hate them for what they are about at the same time.

Thats religion in a nutshell for you :)

Love thy neighbour, but kill those who don´t believe in your god

of course You are right. I tried to kill MaSu by saying "i dislike what they did". no comments...


and... let's get back on topic plz
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 07, 2010, 06:27:00 pm


of course You are right.


Deuteronomy Chapter 13

13:6  If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;     
...
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die


Yes, this is what religion is




Back to topic. The lyrics are truly inspiring  :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 07, 2010, 06:58:10 pm
I absolutely deny any false singing on that chorus.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: LymphoCite_T on November 07, 2010, 07:09:37 pm
maybe it's something wrong with my ears, but "ours" and "replace" sound bad to me.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: gaijin on November 07, 2010, 07:23:27 pm
maybe it's something wrong with my ears, but "ours" and "replace" sound bad to me.

In a better world, I wouldn't make this joke, but: Seeing as you are offended by the lyrics 'bout religion, maybe the fault lies between the ears and not in the ears themselves? ;)

And yes, it -is- a joke.

But you're crazy.

No you're not.

Yes you are.

No you're not.

Wait, what was I talking about again?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Crazywater on November 07, 2010, 07:45:44 pm
"Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-Productive" is actually about gaijin.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 07, 2010, 07:50:23 pm
False singing with vocal correction tools used in production? Considering that the band is generally anti-religious, why the hell do you listen to MaSu anyway? It's really your opinion, but as many others here I call it bullshit. You may like the music, but music is just less than a half of what the band is. The music is just a tool for expressing themselves. It's as if you'd like going to church, but you'd also hate the religion.

BUT believing in a zombie man from outer space who is his own father is pretty funny. But that's not what MaSu is about.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: mumppis on November 07, 2010, 07:56:17 pm
BUT believing in a zombie man from outer space who is his own father is pretty funny. But that's not what MaSu is about.

no no no it's INVISIBLE PINK UNICORN
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 07, 2010, 08:03:27 pm

BUT believing in a zombie man from outer space who is his own father is pretty funny. But that's not what MaSu is about.

haha OMG that goes into my signature!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 07, 2010, 08:51:58 pm
This could be worthy of further discussion on a more generic level... Can it be so, that only now with A View From The End of The World, we've really hit hard on that particular subject. Sure, it's been there before, but maybe it wasn't so in-your-face before.

Comments? Thoughts?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Rareitor on November 07, 2010, 09:00:30 pm
I don't think there has been a noticeable increase in said content, lyrically speaking, I think it's... shall I say standard? maybe usual is the word I am looking for. My point is: I don't think this album has become SiD black metal or anything close by... er... yeah, I may edit this later on, brain being funky right now.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Crazywater on November 07, 2010, 09:07:27 pm
Well, there was Violator on Overworld, which is pretty much the definition of in-your-face. 8)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Drakonis on November 07, 2010, 09:08:28 pm
This could be worthy of further discussion on a more generic level... Can it be so, that only now with A View From The End of The World, we've really hit hard on that particular subject. Sure, it's been there before, but maybe it wasn't so in-your-face before.

Comments? Thoughts?

I actually find "I Know the Reaper" to be more in-your-face than any material on "A View From the End of the World". Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I found EOTW to be almost a concept album telling a story. The story seems to me to based off of the idea that folks throughout the years whom claimed it was their gods will for them to commit acts of murder and violence were "right". What if a diety DID command the crusades, what if a diety DID demand men blow themselves up outsides of Mosques, etc. Cybergenesis seems to tell the story of a resistance to this fictional evil diety and Remnant wraps things up with the The End of the World and undead walking the streets at night. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I found it to be a cool story and another way of looking at it (even if all that murder was commanded by a god, it's still evil). I'm actually somewhat surprised it offended anyone, given that there have been tons of stories throughout the years that touch on such subjects. Diablo anyone? Pretty popular game.

Whereas songs such as "I Know the Reaper" are much more direct and seem to be more of a line of thinking as apposed to story about an evil god.

I dunno, maybe my logic is slanted because I share similar ideas to the majority of the folks on the forums here and obviously wouldn't be offended by the subject regardless of what was said on it. But EOTW, to me, is more of a parallel to reality and a story that gives you another way of looking at things. I suppose if the idea of killing for your religion is appealing to you then EOTW could be offensive to you... :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 07, 2010, 09:11:01 pm
I think MaSu was never a playground for altar boys, nor A View From The End of The World has won the Ultimate Antichrist Album title. Even in your early beginnings you had a song called Sidology Part 1 - SID Evolution, with the last word making Christians go "WTF IS THIS BLASPHEMY" and Muslims go "ALLAH JIHAD ALALALALALALALALA". "Deus ex machina" is latin for "god out of the machine" and since some people think god is up in deep space and can't possess machines, then that's another religion war on MaSu's account. Songs about killing? Not for Christians. And Islam is supposed to be a religion of peace too (yeah, that was funny!). Naming your album "Redeemer" wasn't exactly a reference to Jesus or Muhammad either. So: MaSu = A BAND OF SATANS!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Drakonis on November 07, 2010, 09:14:53 pm
I lol'd at the Redeemer bit. Very true, but that quote was likely lost on the religious folks :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 07, 2010, 09:26:49 pm
There could be quite a few songs named that touch the subject of religion - Dreadnaught, I Know the Reaper, Deus Ex Machinae, Violator, Empire, Need for Steve, War Angel, Follower, Attack Music, Overworld... I'm not counting songs about general enlightment and gaining self-consciousness like Super Steve, Hero, Ronin, Rise...

The new album as a whole is just a step further, as there are several songs against religion not masking it at all.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Hadou on November 07, 2010, 09:44:08 pm
All these lovely interpretations are awesome and everything, but the real fact of the matter is, despite all your proclamations, EOTW is not out on Spotify yet in the UK, and due to my "insufficient funds" atm, I HAVE NOT LEGALLY LISTENED TO THE ALBUM.

I WANT!!!!!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 07, 2010, 10:06:07 pm
The Underground version of Redeemer actually has a quote from the Satanic Bible in it, come to think of it. - "I am mine own redeemer..."
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Drakonis on November 07, 2010, 10:11:46 pm
The Underground version of Redeemer actually has a quote from the Satanic Bible in it, come to think of it. - "I am mine own redeemer..."

I've had that on my profile since I saw it. ;) Good advice, really  ;D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 07, 2010, 10:14:51 pm
The Underground version of Redeemer actually has a quote from the Satanic Bible in it, come to think of it. - "I am mine own redeemer..."
Oh, right, forgot about that.*
Also, if you take a closer look at "Return to Snake Mountain", you can clearly see this:
"return to SnAke mounTAiN".

* Talking about RUE, I love that "PWNZ THIS SHIT © 2006" under band name.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 07, 2010, 10:15:55 pm
Yeah, we were so fucking cool back in 2006. Thanks for reminding me, now I can aspire to be just as cool again. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 07, 2010, 10:20:48 pm
Did you know, that if you take the name "Machinae Supremacy", delete "Machinae" and "upremacy", then add "atan", you get the word "Satan"? Unbelievable coincidence, but reveals the true meaning behind MaSu!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 07, 2010, 10:24:17 pm
sin against the Holy Spirit ("aIbdamIktGf") (------------------)
Wait a goddamn second, did you just abbreviate...... LYRICS!?!?

I rate your review (------------------------------------------------).
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Muckwuddly on November 07, 2010, 11:29:04 pm
The Underground version of Redeemer actually has a quote from the Satanic Bible in it, come to think of it. - "I am mine own redeemer..."
Oh, right, forgot about that.*
Also, if you take a closer look at "Return to Snake Mountain", you can clearly see this:
"return to SnAke mounTAiN".

* Talking about RUE, I love that "PWNZ THIS SHIT © 2006" under band name.
Hahaha, fkn irl lol.

Also, I've never seen that shit on RUE...
/me goes and check.
Well what do you know! That's a +1 to awesomeness. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 08, 2010, 12:16:37 am
sin against the Holy Spirit ("aIbdamIktGf") (------------------)
Wait a goddamn second, did you just abbreviate...... LYRICS!?!?

I rate your review (------------------------------------------------).

I lolled at this post. I think the colors and size of the letters truly represent the situation well.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: WilllemNL on November 08, 2010, 12:36:04 am
So I've been checking this topic out, and I notice quite some people don't like Indiscriminate Murder Is Counter-Productive because it would be too simple, cheesy, cliché, poppy or just silly. Perhaps that's true, but damn, the tune just STICKS. The lyrics make me laugh, great sing a long as well. That said, when listening to the tune, the melody, this image pops up in my head: two young children fighting over like a toy, and the one 'singing': "I'm not gonna give you this, na na na". Not sure if you get the idea, but what I try to say comes down to this: the tune sounds as if the band is making fun of the 'fans' who think MaSu lyrics should have deep meanings and their music should be heavy and dark.

Oh, and least favorite track: One Day in the Universe. It's like melodrama. Don't like that.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 08, 2010, 12:59:12 am
A bit random, but in a way concerning the topic of The Greatest Show on Earth.
I typed "komma" in Google Translate, Swedish-English. Result: Facebook
... wth? Facebook is everywhere... Is this some kind of perverse advertisement?  :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 08, 2010, 01:02:40 am
A bit random, but in a way concerning the topic of The Greatest Show on Earth.
I typed "komma" in Google Translate, Swedish-English. Result: Facebook
... wth? Facebook is everywhere... Is this some kind of perverse advertisement?  :P

haha wtf, it works

Someone is trolling google translate :D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 08, 2010, 01:37:48 am
Briefly back to the subject of religion and MaSu being, well, against it. I find it interesting that everything up to EotW was specifically anti-Christian, with Violator being the most blatant in that line, and EotW is just anti-religion in general. And frankly, I don't mind. I was raised Protestant, but found I could no longer follow "the faith" as I got older and started noticing major flaws in the system.

A friend from college took a course about history of religion, and in one of the readings they had for the class, it basically said, "The best religion any one person can have is one they make for themselves."
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Arashikatsu on November 08, 2010, 01:43:35 am
EotW was specifically anti-Christian (...) and EotW is just anti-religion in general.

JESUS CHRIST MAKE UP YOUR MIND

He said "I find it interesting that everything up to EotW was specifically anti-Christian,"
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 08, 2010, 01:54:03 am
He said "I find it interesting that everything up to EotW was specifically anti-Christian,"

My bad, 36 hours without sleep does bad things to your eyes.
Anyway, just a thought - if MaSu was religous, would it do SID Gospel?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Woodchuck on November 08, 2010, 03:04:37 am
... if MaSu was religous, would it do SID Gospel?

i would go for sure...


on topic... i love the new CD i did a happy dance and shook the house at how happy i was! and i do have to say i LOVE crouching camper hideen sniper cause we at lan partys w/ friends i always chanted "SNIPER NO SNIPINING" now i can quote the song *squee*
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: mumppis on November 08, 2010, 06:54:56 am
Fallout rofl
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Valentine Revolution on November 08, 2010, 12:54:23 pm
I wouldn't say Machinae were anti-Christian, more anti-establishment and Christianity is one big establishment. Don't let a system think for you, be it religious or corporate in nature. Also, it's the chant of the atheists and non-Christians fed up with having their rights and liberties by a faith system they have rejected, or been rejected from.

Also, hello! Not posted here for ages. New album is awesome, not quite as awesome as Overworld imo but still pretty much constantly in my ears. Also some kind of SID-gospelstyle chant would be amazing.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 08, 2010, 01:51:12 pm
Hey VR! Long time no see :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Xarion on November 08, 2010, 04:22:01 pm
 LymphoCite_T you're so cheap! Worst "review" ever, if you dare call that a review :P. But it made me laugh, so thanx anyway!

This could be worthy of further discussion on a more generic level... Can it be so, that only now with A View From The End of The World, we've really hit hard on that particular subject. Sure, it's been there before, but maybe it wasn't so in-your-face before.

Comments? Thoughts?

As my pals, I'll bring out Violator which is very "straight in your face" about religion. I never analyze lyrics too much (I'm a music-guy, not much of a text-guy) but I didn't needed to, with Violator. The subject is pretty clear. And legitimate of course.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Mithrandil on November 08, 2010, 06:42:25 pm
so actually someone here is stupid enough to believe in the bible?

You may call it as You like to, but I do.

This sums up what I think about that particular religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoc5_QTPouQ
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: ~futilite~ on November 08, 2010, 06:46:51 pm
I think that older songs (my only example here being Violator :P) were more against church and maybe believing (this would be I Know The Reaper, but I don't see it as a very anti-religious song) and if I read the lyrics correctly, in the new album it's a lot against God himself (great example here is Remnant).

But I'm not 100%-sure because I'm not sure about most other lyrics (from before Redeemer especially, as I haven't had the CD with a booklet to read while listening).
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Byproduct on November 09, 2010, 04:10:13 am
I'm a big fan of the new album. :) Definitely gonna see one of the live gigs they will soon play here in Finland, and currently peeling the skin off my fingertips as I'm learning to play Force Feedback on my guitar. :p

In many tracks the lovely C64-sounds seem to have been reduced to gimmicks (as opposed to integral parts of the songs). Kind of understandable, as retro sounds aren't as original these days as they were some years ago. I still love 'em though, and hope MaSu will keep including some in their music in the future too. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: __sdfg on November 09, 2010, 04:17:17 am
This could be worthy of further discussion on a more generic level... Can it be so, that only now with A View From The End of The World, we've really hit hard on that particular subject. Sure, it's been there before, but maybe it wasn't so in-your-face before.

Comments? Thoughts?


Also, I agree with Drakonis.  "I Know the Reaper" is completely incompatible with Christianity.  "Violator" is about fundamentalist Christian zealots.  There's a gap there.

Aside:  it seems some people here equate Christianity with Fred Phelps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_phelps).  I can assure you that there are many Christians, even in the U.S., who think Freddie and his ilk are a bunch of batfuckers.  Like, at least five of them.  Maybe even six.

In many tracks the lovely C64-sounds seem to have been reduced to gimmicks (as opposed to integral parts of the songs), but I guess missing that aspect is no biggie. After all, retro sounds are being used quite a lot these days so they aren't as original as they were some years ago. I still hope MaSu will keep including some in their music in the future too, though.

I got that feeling sometimes listening to Overworld, but I don't get it here.  In fact, I would go so far as to say that this album does not need more SID.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Byproduct on November 09, 2010, 04:24:45 am
In fact, I would go so far as to say that this album does not need more SID.
Actually, I agree - I don't need more SID either - what I was trying to say is I prefer the SID sounds to be "in" the songs, in harmony with other instruments, instead of being included as random disconnected intros. But I shouldn't focus on my only complaint any more, as my comment on the album was intended to be positive. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 09, 2010, 05:00:29 am
Aside:  it seems some people here equate Christianity with Fred Phelps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_phelps).  I can assure you that there are many Christians, even in the U.S., who think Freddie and his ilk are a bunch of batfuckers.  Like, at least five of them.  Maybe even six.

Line starts here for those who wish to Song #3 this guy!

This could be worthy of further discussion on a more generic level... Can it be so, that only now with A View From The End of The World, we've really hit hard on that particular subject. Sure, it's been there before, but maybe it wasn't so in-your-face before.

Comments? Thoughts?

To be honest, I never pieced together the fact that I Know the Reaper was that obviously anti-religious belief. Also never liked Dreadnaught enough to notice any such leanings there.

Violator, it was pretty damned obvious, and not only did I not mind, I liked the song. Parents teaching belief to those too young to know better is one of the things that turned me away from Christianity in the first place.

I similarly don't mind the anti-religious sentiment in this latest album. It's a tad unfortunate that I don't really like most of the songs that actually *have* that sentiment in it, but lyrics are not the cause there; I love A View From the End of the World. Something about the musical style in Cybergenesis, and the tempo of Remnant, just do not jive with me.

I fucking love the Metal Fusion style in Indiscriminate Murder is Counterproductive, though.  ;D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Casper on November 09, 2010, 02:26:36 pm
Overall I like the album. There are a few tracks I don't care for ("The greatest show on earth", for example) but the rest is amazing and really shows how far the band has progressed since the start.
Unfortunately there are still a few bad lyrics, but as Robs first language isn't English I'm gonna let that slide for a second time :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: biomass on November 09, 2010, 02:26:54 pm
I'm not sure that Machinae Supremacy are completely anti-religious.  Most of the negativity is aimed towards the assholes and followers of said assholes who would use religion to justify denial of liberties to certain groups or murder.

On a related note, I always thought that "The Wired" contained trace amounts of Buddhism: "And I can't be anymore case I am wired to the core."  Loss of self, returning to the source, etc...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: gaijin on November 09, 2010, 06:25:17 pm
I'm... not going to comment here. I was going to, but I won't.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Drakonis on November 09, 2010, 08:33:17 pm
I'm... not going to comment here. I was going to, but I won't.

Awe, cmon Gaijin. Let us have it. ;) Actually, I'm quite curious of your thoughts.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: cf on November 09, 2010, 09:46:00 pm
I've been listening to this album almost exclusively since it came out, and it gets more and more awesome with every turn - typically Machinae I'd say :)

Also, why is it that religious people always feel like it's just their own religion being attacked? Don't worry guys, those other heretics feel exactly the same way about theirs. You're all being attacked equally. Besides, I don't think the MaSu songs are against any religion per se, more against institutions (be it companies, countries or organised religions) and their followers that try to interfere with other people's lives. The fact that someone complains because the songs are not compatible with his religion, pretty much proves the point that he wants to change the way other people think, otherwise he wouldn't care in the first place.

The lyrics are one of the things I really like about this band by the way, well... that and everything else :D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Chronologix on November 10, 2010, 12:45:36 am
Yay, I just got mine in the mail, and also glad to see the lyrics are in the booklet too :)

Time for awesomeness

I also noticed the sticker on the package directly says "From: Machinae Supremacy" as its own entity :p
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: cedox on November 10, 2010, 01:07:02 pm
Greetings from Funland!

I've listened through the album quite a few times. My opinion it simply drips of hot steel sexiness! You could actually dance to it if you know what I mean. Rhythms are so bouncy. I keep playing "A View" and "Remnant" on repeat cause they loop nicely together and those songs I like most.

Amount of SID-samples/-effects is overwhelming and they fit in great. The sound is well produced and pronounced. For me the drums fit in better than in previous albums. The drumming style is smoother and bouncier and it's mixed in less ear piercingly than in previous albums. For me it's a bonus.

I like when Robert sings less eccentrically like in Shinigami and in the beginning of Remnant. Maybe it's more mainstream, but to me it sounds better. Although it's excellent to wake up occasionally with his good, old vocal style.

Things I would have liked to hear is one or two more songs of heavier metal and one instrumental old school game song. Loved the instrumentals. Because I'm a bad lyrics listener I'd love to listen to one instrumental game 'choon' on next album.

Thanks for this boss album! Hopefully I'll see you guys on your Winland Tour!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Tritox on November 10, 2010, 01:26:48 pm
Greetings from Funland!

I've listened through the album quite a few times. My opinion it simply drips of hot steel sexiness! You could actually dance to it if you know what I mean. Rhythms are so bouncy. I keep playing "A View" and "Remnant" on repeat cause they loop nicely together and those songs I like most.

Amount of SID-samples/-effects is overwhelming and they fit in great. The sound is well produced and pronounced. For me the drums fit in better than in previous albums. The drumming style is smoother and bouncier and it's mixed in less ear piercingly than in previous albums. For me it's a bonus.

I like when Robert sings less eccentrically like in Shinigami and in the beginning of Remnant. Maybe it's more mainstream, but to me it sounds better. Although it's excellent to wake up occasionally with his good, old vocal style.

Things I would have liked to hear is one or two more songs of heavier metal and one instrumental old school game song. Loved the instrumentals. Because I'm a bad lyrics listener I'd love to listen to one instrumental game 'choon' on next album.

Thanks for this boss album! Hopefully I'll see you guys on your Winland Tour!

Agreed!

And a bit OT but you wouldn't happen to live in Oulu or have lived few years back? :) Since you have rather familiar nick... :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: cedox on November 10, 2010, 03:56:42 pm
And a bit OT but you wouldn't happen to live in Oulu or have lived few years back? :) Since you have rather familiar nick... :)

OT here, too: Yes, I was elsewhere for some years, but back in Oulu, Rock City.. Tritox sounds familiar, without Googling I'd say Pelit magazine's forums 3D-modeling competition? Or if not, then Megazone back in the days(Maybe both)
Actually only MaSu gig I visited was in Oulu Teatria Arena. The band rocked, but the establishment didn't. Too much hard concrete and steel. I hope it's gotten better. I'm thinking of going to Kuopio to see guys live on their Winland tour with a couple of hc MaSU fans.

p.s. Let's continue our OT on pm, mayhaps?  <3
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: mumppis on November 11, 2010, 05:00:46 pm
so the album debuted on the finnish album chart and the place waaaaaaaaaaaaaas 12 it aint baaaaaad
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 12, 2010, 12:47:41 am
"Put on your new face and run, run run,
and take on those who rape and kill and steal"

Kick-ass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick-Ass_%28film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick-Ass_%28film%29)) reference?

(Sorry I don't know enough html to embed the link in the text)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Otend on November 12, 2010, 01:27:39 am
I was almost disappointed when I realized Persona wasn't a Shin Megami Tensei reference, but the song is so far beyond awesome that it's more than made up for.

This is the best MaSu album yet, fusing the heavy SID usage of their earlier material with the refined sound of Redeemer and Overworld.  Props to the band for making another bit of awesome that I have listened to something around twenty times already.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Rareitor on November 12, 2010, 04:56:36 am
I was almost disappointed when I realized Persona wasn't a Shin Megami Tensei reference.

You are not alone my friend.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Shalinar on November 12, 2010, 06:37:13 am
Having listened to this album about thirty times now, give or take a couple dozen, I really only have two complaints.

First, the recurring anti-religion theme. It's not the actual atheism thing that bothers me, cuz that's totally fine (I'm certainly no bible-humper!) What I don't like about this album is that it keeps coming up over and over again in the songs. The guys are incredibly creative and come up with tons of different topics, so it bothers me when the same theme is repeated several times. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but personally it just gets old hearing the same message over and over again, doesn't matter what it is. That really my only serious complaint, because this band usually has such a huge variety of topics in their albums that having so many songs talk about the same thing just seems like it's too overdone.

My other complaint is that one of the band members (dezo, i think, but maybe it was gordon) promised us many "uhh!"s and "rrahh!"s and "yeah!"s, like in Sidstyler and Hero, a little while back. But those are definitely lacking in A View From The End Of The World ;P

Other than those, I really love this album and I think it's great, easily one of their best works to date :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 12, 2010, 09:25:45 am
My other complaint is that one of the band members (dezo, i think, but maybe it was gordon) promised us many "uhh!"s and "rrahh!"s and "yeah!"s, like in Sidstyler and Hero, a little while back. But those are definitely lacking in A View From The End Of The World ;P

You mean this?

Imma do some "Yeah's". Don't worry d00d's =)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: evilcandybag on November 12, 2010, 09:49:42 am
My other complaint is that one of the band members (dezo, i think, but maybe it was gordon) promised us many "uhh!"s and "rrahh!"s and "yeah!"s, like in Sidstyler and Hero, a little while back. But those are definitely lacking in A View From The End Of The World ;P

You mean this?

Imma do some "Yeah's". Don't worry d00d's =)

Yeah, that was me asking, but tbh, there is no real "uhh!" or "rrrah!" songs in this album, so I don't really see any problem with that.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Johnny-Oh on November 12, 2010, 12:57:50 pm
I think its so far the best album of masu. But i cant say for sure.

EOTW has something more than other albums, i love so much the earlier songs and albums, but this sounds a little more "grown up". If you know what i mean?

In finnish metal magazine Imperiumi, EOTW was given number -9, from 0 to 10.
http://www.imperiumi.net/index.php?act=albums&id=11182 (http://www.imperiumi.net/index.php?act=albums&id=11182)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Shalinar on November 12, 2010, 06:03:32 pm
My other complaint is that one of the band members (dezo, i think, but maybe it was gordon) promised us many "uhh!"s and "rrahh!"s and "yeah!"s, like in Sidstyler and Hero, a little while back. But those are definitely lacking in A View From The End Of The World ;P

You mean this?

Imma do some "Yeah's". Don't worry d00d's =)

Yeah, that. I was disappointed :P Oh well. And i dunno, there could have been parts to do fun stuff like that. I guess that's part of what I mean, is that this album seems like it spends too much time on the same couple subjects (namely, atheism and internet/gaming culture) rather than branching out and having the diversity that their previous albums had. I've found that the content of A View From The End Of The World can be summed up in the first two songs: the title track has the epic, anti-religiousness to it, and Force Feedback has the interwebz topic in it. The rest of the songs can pretty much fall into one of those two categories, with only a couple exceptions.

Gahhh, I sound like im raggin on the album really hard :/ I don't mean to come across that way. I really do love this album, it's great work and I think it sounds fantastic :D I just would have liked a little more diversity in subject matter. And the other thing, the "yeah!"s wasn't really a serious complaint anyways ;P I was just thinkin about it the other day, so i thought id mention it and see what y'all thought about it XD
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Hadou on November 12, 2010, 10:53:46 pm
Having listened to this album about thirty times now, give or take a couple dozen, I really only have two complaints.

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but personally it just gets old hearing the same message over and over again, doesn't matter what it is.

When you listen to the same songs over and over, the same "message" is often a side affect...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Shalinar on November 12, 2010, 10:59:56 pm
*effect.

I understand this, but when you're listening to an album that never repeats the same theme, the repetition is much less noticeable than when its repeated several times throughout the same album.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Hadou on November 12, 2010, 11:03:25 pm
Yar, and thanks for typo check. I always get "effect" and "affect" messed up. I also understand the repetition can be less noticeable sometimes, I was just trying to emphasise a point I noticed.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Shalinar on November 12, 2010, 11:07:54 pm
Yar, and thanks for typo check. I always get "effect" and "affect" messed up. I also understand the repetition can be less noticeable sometimes, I was just trying to emphasise a point I noticed.

Yeah i get what you're saying, i suppose the "thirty" was a bit of a hyperbole after all. But regarding the repetition, i was more talking about listening through the album as a standalone experience, not combining all my listen-throughs. Of course you're right, listening to anything that many times would make it very familiar :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 13, 2010, 04:06:54 am
I get what you're saying, and I *have* listened to the whole thing (minus the songs I don't like) a good 30+ times. Shal's point is simply that... 3 or 4 of the songs (maybe more, I may be missing some) are clearly blaming religion, and, through it, God/the Gods for the problems in the world, and insinuating that those religion-born problems will be the end of the human race/the whole world (possibly in the near future).

That said, this is "A View from the End of the World". So an obvious, repetitive theme makes sense, given the album title itself has a clear theme.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 13, 2010, 07:09:17 pm
Hey...

I wouldn't want to "deny" anyone's impressions or in any way argue against them, but I figured I could add my point of view on the "religious theme" of this album anyway. Maybe someone will gain more insight into the most apparent themes of the album, or otherwise be amused by some of the subtleties therein.

The way I see it, there are 2 songs that have full-on hostility against religion. These are A View From The End of The World and Remnant. Of these two, the first is the one that deals with an actual fear of what might happen if religion isn't met with the same debate and critique that political ideologies have to deal with, and it also engages those who subscribe to this kind of faith directly in the lyrics.

Remnant is instantly less "serious" as it engages God directly, accusing Him of being Evil. I'm (well maybe not really) surprised that religious people would be bothered by this, since the song proposes that God actually exists, only that he's not as just as some would have us believe. If you check the old testament, you'll soon find that God is one of the most unjust, insecure and ill-willing characters ever written about. The Borg Queen has nothing on this guy. Sure, it's bad to talk bad about God, it's in the commandments, right? But when God crosses the line and turns the world into a Zombie nightmare, does he really expect people not to be upset?

God is mentioned in two other songs, but these songs are truly not about religion. In Rocket Dragon, the blind faith of a gunship pilot is his excuse to keep doing what he is doing. He knows that God forgives, since he knows that God is on his side ("One Nation Under God") always. To be bothered by this song, as a religious person, is to truly misunderstand its purpose. Religious people everywhere should rally behind this song and nod their heads in agreement. Unless they believe the same as the gunship pilot, of course.

Cybergenesis is a work of fiction, also set in a world that assumes the actual existence of God. It's about someone who, in spite of being destined to lose, intends to fight a fate already sealed. He constructs a weapon for this, a mechanic angel, an artificial lifeform. His life's work is indeed about how he chooses to die. He chooses to go out on his own terms. Like "Paradise Lost" or Mike Carey's "Lucifer", this song should not be considered as anything but a work of fiction based on the mythology that western religion is built upon.

I won't address the references to religion in Shinigami as it is also based on a work of fiction, and a famous one at that, and the views on faith and Light as the God of a new world, is simply a part of that story.



From where I'm standing, the only song that is actually anti-religious among them, is the first one. The others are surely colored by my views on the subject, but they are all about something completely different. Please feel free to comment and critique what you think. Again, I don't wish to "argue" with your impressions, I'm just letting you in on my intent behind these lyrics.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: gaijin on November 13, 2010, 09:04:24 pm
God doesn't exist, religion is retarded and scary. Also, gaijin is awesome.


I fixed your quote a bit.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Shalinar on November 13, 2010, 09:36:11 pm
Hey...

I wouldn't want to "deny" anyone's impressions or in any way argue against them, but I figured I could add my point of view on the "religious theme" of this album anyway. Maybe someone will gain more insight into the most apparent themes of the album, or otherwise be amused by some of the subtleties therein.

The way I see it, there are 2 songs that have full-on hostility against religion. These are A View From The End of The World and Remnant. Of these two, the first is the one that deals with an actual fear of what might happen if religion isn't met with the same debate and critique that political ideologies have to deal with, and it also engages those who subscribe to this kind of faith directly in the lyrics.

Remnant is instantly less "serious" as it engages God directly, accusing Him of being Evil. I'm (well maybe not really) surprised that religious people would be bothered by this, since the song proposes that God actually exists, only that he's not as just as some would have us believe. If you check the old testament, you'll soon find that God is one of the most unjust, insecure and ill-willing characters ever written about. The Borg Queen has nothing on this guy. Sure, it's bad to talk bad about God, it's in the commandments, right? But when God crosses the line and turns the world into a Zombie nightmare, does he really expect people not to be upset?

God is mentioned in two other songs, but these songs are truly not about religion. In Rocket Dragon, the blind faith of a gunship pilot is his excuse to keep doing what he is doing. He knows that God forgives, since he knows that God is on his side ("One Nation Under God") always. To be bothered by this song, as a religious person, is to truly misunderstand its purpose. Religious people everywhere should rally behind this song and nod their heads in agreement. Unless they believe the same as the gunship pilot, of course.

Cybergenesis is a work of fiction, also set in a world that assumes the actual existence of God. It's about someone who, in spite of being destined to lose, intends to fight a fate already sealed. He constructs a weapon for this, a mechanic angel, an artificial lifeform. His life's work is indeed about how he chooses to die. He chooses to go out on his own terms. Like "Paradise Lost" or Mike Carey's "Lucifer", this song should not be considered as anything but a work of fiction based on the mythology that western religion is built upon.

I won't address the references to religion in Shinigami as it is also based on a work of fiction, and a famous one at that, and the views on faith and Light as the God of a new world, is simply a part of that story.



From where I'm standing, the only song that is actually anti-religious among them, is the first one. The others are surely colored by my views on the subject, but they are all about something completely different. Please feel free to comment and critique what you think. Again, I don't wish to "argue" with your impressions, I'm just letting you in on my intent behind these lyrics.

It's not the theme that bothers me; Im no fan of religion. But personal views aside, I suppose I was simply looking for more diversity in topics. Although as you point out, really only two of them deal directly with the theme i was hearing. My interpretation seems to be off a bit then ;) I had definitely seen the line in Rocket Dragon as very satirical of religious views, and perhaps it is, but with a different story behind it than I had first thought. Thank you for clearing that up for me :) I love Machinae's music, so when something bothers me about it, it REALLY bothers me. And i greatly appreciate you taking the time to explain these songs to me/other forumites here.

As for Shinigami, I am quite familiar with the work this was based on, so it wasn't actually considered when I was thinking about the religious-themed ones. OT, now you made me want to watch the series again... (well first half. Cuz, i mean really, Near was crap ;P).
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Byproduct on November 15, 2010, 02:49:41 am
On a lighter note, I think Force Feedback chorus has great sing-a-long lyrics!

(http://www.phnet.fi/public/juhgu/s/nuotti.gif) This is the world urine
and this is where arse begins
I'm bored unless nation of f*cks do replace
your walling ex-sisters in space (http://www.phnet.fi/public/juhgu/s/nuotti.gif)


(...sorry :p)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 15, 2010, 03:22:18 am
It's definitely horse, not arse.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Costa on November 15, 2010, 05:45:47 am
I got my copy of the album on release day, and have been listening to it a ton ever since. My favorites are EOTW, World of Light+Shinigami (I always listen to World of Light before Shinigami), Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-productive, and One Day In The Universe. I really want to put Force Feedback on this list, because the first two minutes are awesome, but I feel it loses a lot of steam near the end. Sometimes I just listen to the intro and then switch to something else.

One Day really impresses me, I didn't like Kaori Stomp that much so I was a little iffy hearing that you guys were doing another love song. One Day nails it though, it's simultaneously rockin' and...soft? Soothing? I'm not sure what the right word is, but it feels like a love song, while having that great Machinae Supremacy influence.

Shinigami is pure, awesome SID Metal. SID is what first got me into Machinae Supremacy, and it's still my favorite part of the band.

Indiscriminate Murder is so much fun! The goofy song title totally fits it.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Byproduct on November 15, 2010, 09:37:18 am
It's definitely horse, not arse.

Oops, looks like I misheard a word there, thanks for pointing it out! I'm quite confident I got the rest of it correct, though.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Ziza on November 16, 2010, 04:08:12 pm
Now that I've finally forced myself to create an account...

The album is awesome, that's for sure. From the very start, with fantastic, melodic and catchy title track it really enchanted me.
Then, after already well-known (and both orgasmically fantastic) Force Feedback and Rocket Dragon, came long-awaited (since so much praised by Gaijin) Persona which amidst all the tracks I'd call "beautiful", both melody- and lyric-wise.
Nova Prospekt will stay one of my favourite since the very first time I heard it on the website as it is incredibly epic. A perfect music for a battle, a "final blow" indeed. I love the melody, the chorus especially, the "heaviness" and very well integrated SIDdies.
World of Light is also fantastic - it really sounds as if it was taken straight from Death Note soundtrack, yet still doesn't really cover any of the tracks and keeps its specific MaSu style. And for me it is really a great achievement to successfully combine it all in such a simple intro.
Praise goes for Shinigami, yet maybe in a different way - I never really agreed with all the people shouting for "moar SID" and placing the electronic aspekt higher than the metal one... but Shinigami is one of those SIDfests I really love and could listen to over and over again.
The first half of the album that was really easy and pleasant to listen for me comes to end with Cybergenesis that, despite being a good track, doesn't have anything really special for me. Still... I like it.

And then the second half, that weren't really remembered after the first listening. Until I tried few times more and - of course - read the lyrics. Action Girl, Crouching Camper and Indiscriminate Murder (especially the second one of the three) are so fun to listen to once you know the exact lyrics, that it is really hard to describe :D Indiscriminate Murder comes also with very interesting, fast and, actually quite difficult singing that made it stand out from the very beginning. Even now these songs (along with One Day in the Universe's "and other things") bring a smile to my face.
And even though I didn't really like One Day in the Universe and The Greatest Show on Earth, I still catch myself humming them silently every day. And such earworms can't be bad. The Greatest Show on Earth sets a great mood before the ending... which literally blew me away. I've seen many negative opinions on Remnant, but I just can't help myself - I am totally in love with such dark, apocalyptic Renimator-style ballads. Great singing, great synths, great mood that, after the very first listening, left me with my hear pounding. A perfect closing.

Other thoughts:
- even though I absolutely loved both Redeemer and Overworld I have a feeling that, in terms of music alone, those albums are lacking... "something" in comparison with EOTW. Maybe mastering is the case?
- once again, Robert sings a bit differently - not only on this album in general, but in many different songs. Your singing is improving all the time and you are really able to surprise me with more and more new, interesting vocal manipulations...
- ... but also it is pretty clear on this album that you all guys are successfully experimenting with your style. Trust me, you do it well!
- 10k fans? Radio broadcast demands? More and more positive reviews? Europe tour?! And am I fucking misheard or is my "MTV-generation" younger sister singing along the EOTW and Persona in her room over and over? I have no idea how are the orders in your shop going, but... is it just me or are you guys really planning on taking over the world starting with this album?
That would be the best thing my life could offer to me.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Xarion on November 16, 2010, 05:14:06 pm
Great first post Ziza, it's a refreshing viewpoint about the new album.

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I still haven't received my copy. This is abnormal. Surely there's been a problem with the letter...
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fallout on November 16, 2010, 05:27:31 pm
Great first post Ziza, it's a refreshing viewpoint about the new album.

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I still haven't received my copy. This is abnormal. Surely there's been a problem with the letter...

Same here, man. I ordered it over a month ago now, I would've expected mine to be one of the first to arrive :(
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: yas‮ on November 16, 2010, 05:57:24 pm
Maybe it went through Poland. In that case you'll never see it, at least not destroyed. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Xarion on November 16, 2010, 10:16:31 pm
Great first post Ziza, it's a refreshing viewpoint about the new album.

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I still haven't received my copy. This is abnormal. Surely there's been a problem with the letter...

Same here, man. I ordered it over a month ago now, I would've expected mine to be one of the first to arrive :(

Well it's 2 weeks late but it finally arrived. I checked my mailbox when I got back from work and here it was. So hopefully yours is on its way as well. Fingers crossed, dude.

The album is on repeat right now. Indiscriminate Murder blows my mind continuously. Can't believe how awesome this song is.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Schattenjaeger on November 17, 2010, 09:03:39 am
The more I listen to the album, the less catchy Indiscriminate Murder gets... my tastes are now gravitating strongly to EotW, Persona, One Day in the Universe, and The Greatest Show.

I've also pretty much stopped listening to Force Feedback in the car. I've noticed that there is a constant tone in the guitar solo area that sounds *exactly* like a car horn. Really makes me anxious when I'm out on the road and it sounds like a horn is blasting over the music (loud enough that I can't hear the engine below about 2.75k RPM). Got tired of looking around for the source = P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Sirix on November 17, 2010, 01:50:23 pm
Great first post Ziza, it's a refreshing viewpoint about the new album.

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I still haven't received my copy. This is abnormal. Surely there's been a problem with the letter...

Same here, man. I ordered it over a month ago now, I would've expected mine to be one of the first to arrive :(

I was surprised how early I received mine, being from Canada and all.

I've been enjoying it for almost 3 weeks now :).

Also: I require Action Girl ring tones. My phone isn't geeky enough already and this would push it to its geekiest.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 17, 2010, 07:44:18 pm
Ringtones will be available! :)

Refic, done with the server reinstall yet? :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: SharkMachine on November 18, 2010, 08:20:31 pm
Awesome as usual, especially Rocket Dragon. Definitely need to order this album. While waiting, I'll be listening it on Spotify Premium ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 18, 2010, 09:15:08 pm
Dammit. Since 03.11.10 (around 20:30 GMT +1) the album has been playing on and on. All the time at home, all the time while commuting. I don't exaggerate. It's two weeks and a day of listening to one record exclusively.
Does it mean addiction?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Ziza on November 18, 2010, 09:19:57 pm
Dammit. Since 03.11.10 (around 20:30 GMT +1) the album has been playing on and on. All the time at home, all the time while commuting. I don't exaggerate. It's two weeks and a day of listening to one record exclusively.
Does it mean addiction?

Believe me, you're not the only one. Slowly I'm beginning to feel a little weird about myself. But I'm still trying to explain this as "thorough listening in to the new material".
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Amdor on November 18, 2010, 09:24:25 pm
Dammit. Since 03.11.10 (around 20:30 GMT +1) the album has been playing on and on. All the time at home, all the time while commuting. I don't exaggerate. It's two weeks and a day of listening to one record exclusively.
Does it mean addiction?

Believe me, you're not the only one. Slowly I'm beginning to feel a little weird about myself. But I'm still trying to explain this as "thorough listening in to the new material".

From time to time I discover something new in one or the other song. This make me think that these tracks are greater with every listen.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MashedByMachines on November 18, 2010, 10:04:58 pm

From time to time I discover something new in one or the other song.


THIS is one of the things that makes MaSu so awesome :D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Chaokaze on November 19, 2010, 06:02:09 am
Well, haven't logged in since some time in 2006, but after hearing the album, I felt I must comment.
This is definitely a keeper, I love the hell outta this album.
When I first started listening to the album, I was thinking about how it was standard MaSu fare. However, as the album progressed, it grew on me very quickly.
I'll tell you right now, I cannot stop listening to Indiscriminate Murder, that is catchy as all hell. If only I could find the installation disc for my Dazzle capture device, I guarantee you that I'd be quickly doing an RPG/Adventure game kill montage/machinima for that song.
I kinda want to play GTA4 right now for some odd reason. Hmm.
Also, One Day in the Universe was pretty funny lyrics-wise. I'm ashamed to admit I was in an online relationship in my younger years, and this brought a good laugh, reminding me of those days. :P
Crouching Camper? Ha ha, oh man. That amused me to no end.
Remnant was a pretty badass tune, as well.
I don't have much to offer in terms of song topic discussion, as I'm a take-everything-at-face-value kind of guy, but long story short, I absolutely love this album.

Now let's see if I'll actually remember to post once in a while. :P
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 19, 2010, 08:46:10 am
Do let us know if you make a Machinima of Indiscriminate Murder. We'd love to get some video stuff to promote for these songs!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: biomass on November 20, 2010, 02:34:53 am
Most, if not all of the songs are now permanently burned onto my brain.  Cybergenesis is definitely my favorite and I love the guitar riffs in Action Girl.

Every album stands on its own and they all have amazing staying power.  In my opinion, the only other band I could say the same about is RUSH.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: The Bringer on November 21, 2010, 05:55:05 am
Heck i couldnt wait,
after i found out that there is a new Album,
i checked Amazon in Germany, but they sell it in Dezember.
So i ordered it via the Webshop.
I was flying high after i got the underground Edition years ago.
Same after getting Overworld, i couldnt stop listening.
I even bought me something to wake me up with the mp3 of Dark City.
After a few days the new Album arrived out of Sweden.
Its running nonstop on my Player. Im so Happy, all the Songs Exceed Expectations.
My Favorites are Indiscriminate Murder, One Day in the Universe.
There is so much SID in this Stuff, even whole Songs with SID in it till the End.

Its so AWESOME, AMAZING.

And now you Tour through Europe.
This is the Beginning of the Uber-Awesomness

I will be there: Stuttgart - Germany - 11th of May
Maybe i come to Langen also, well see.

Good Luck to all, im so Happy, im grinning the whole Time   ;D
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Apox on November 21, 2010, 08:57:09 am
The entire album is just amazing, I listen to it every day, both at home, and when I drive to school.
Hard to pick a favourite, but if I really had to choose one, it would be Remnant. I've always loved the sound, lyrics and meanings behind the March of The Undead songs, and this one is maybe the best of them all, just fucking awesome.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: mumppis on November 21, 2010, 07:50:12 pm
The entire album is just amazing, I listen to it every day, both at home, and when I drive to school.
Hard to pick a favourite, but if I really had to choose one, it would be Remnant. I've always loved the sound, lyrics and meanings behind the March of The Undead songs, and this one is maybe the best of them all, just fucking awesome.

indeed remrant is one of my favourites also one reason for that is the history of the march of the undead songs :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fabexxx on November 28, 2010, 09:44:20 pm
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier in this thread, but the skit at the end of the track a View from the End of the World... where is it taken from?
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: robert on November 29, 2010, 01:21:59 am
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier in this thread, but the skit at the end of the track a View from the End of the World... where is it taken from?

Collateral Murder. :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Fabexxx on November 29, 2010, 03:57:30 pm
I'm not sure if this has been discussed earlier in this thread, but the skit at the end of the track a View from the End of the World... where is it taken from?

Collateral Murder. :)

That really makes the opener even more powerfull! =) "I fear the ratinality of the faithfully insane" ....so true 
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Crazywater on December 03, 2010, 08:47:24 pm
Hmm... found a review on metal.de (http://www.metal.de/cdreviews.php4?was=review&id=15890) and translated it:

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Where other bands simply use cheaply produced keyboard-effects, Machinae Supremacy deliberately employ a stylistic element: The swedes use an 8-bit SID/6581 soundchip in order to spice up their sound with various electronic beep-effects. Older generations may be reminded of glorious C64-times, because the home computer emitted its sounds back in the 80s over the very same chip. Thus, who can't relate to "nintendo-metal" should avoid "A View From The End Of The World" at all costs. On the other hand, everybody with a faible for retro-gaming who still loves the sounds of "Tetris", "The Legend Of Zelda" or the old "Final Fantasy" titles should consider the band as an insiders' tip.

So, in every case, Machinae Supremacy have the ability to polarise their audience. Either you love the 8-bit-beeping or you hate it. But even though the electronic effects play an important role in the compositions, there is enough room for guitars, bass and drums in the band's sound. The creation of a harmonic overall sound is the real achievement of the quintet. The single parts are composed to a melodic power-metal-sound, occasionally exhibiting some prog-reminiscences.

Even considering their lyrics they remain true to the computer gaming scene, which already shows itself in figurative titles like "Force Feedback" or "Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper". You may consider it infantile, but at least Machinae Supremacy are consequent here and thus stay true to themselves. The catchiness-factor is similarly high to the one of the retro-game-soundtracks which apparently served as an inspiration in many places, while the border to cheesyness is shamelessly crossed again and again. So, as for the whole album: You don't have to like the music of Machinae Supremacy, but what they do, they do very well in principle.

Rating: 7/10
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: morize on December 14, 2010, 10:05:01 pm
My opinion of The End of the World. Finally.

A few days ago the CD with A View From the End of the World finally arrived. Although the waiting was devastating, the reward is much sweeter than I anticipated.
Redeemer UG is still not conquired (impossible) but it's simple-minded to still look back and compare with incomparable.

..End of the World is your next step forward. You created fantastically solid and entire album and it's fucking awesome (nice word, isn't it?) to listen it.
I love your music because of its originality and freshness. Because of your distinctive vocalist. Because of your ability to combine (not http://tinyurl.com/combine-gif (http://tinyurl.com/combine-gif))  really deep lyrics with your own humour and exaggeration. And I noticed all these things in your newest album too, of course! => Still singular compositions (Nova Prospekt, World of Light/Shinigami), still kick-ass (Force Feedback), still sarcastic (The Greatest Show On Earth), still funny (Hidden Sniper, Action Girl, Indiscriminate Murder), still urgent (Rocket Dragon, Cybergenesis), still EPIC (Remnant).
The sound is perfect too, great work in studio.  Nicky should be praised for his drumming - perfectly fits to MaSu music. My only reproach is pointing at dezo's bass. There's too little of it :-D I love distinctive parts with bass but there are only few on new album. Dezo needs more space!

My conclusion is, that you are still number one in the genre of melodic rock/metal (not only) and after these years of my listenings of metal (hardly not only) I could say, that I'm still having fun with your music which is still surprising me. And there are not many bands, which I could say the same about.

Thank you. See you in Prague!

//morize, Czech rep, www.last.fm/user/morisek (http://www.last.fm/user/morisek)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Danton on December 16, 2010, 11:50:39 am
Since it's early in the morning, I'm just going to drop some quick ideas here, and maybe something heavier later.

Great album! The only songs I don't particularly like are Action Girl, The Greatest Show on Earth, and One Day in the Universe. They just feel kind of... bland to me. Who knows, that may change later on; I've noticed my opinions of specific songs change over time, and sometimes in the middle of it playing.

I was very disappointed that there was no mention of crowbars. (http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Nova_Prospekt). Also that Persona wasn't about MegaTen, as someone said earlier in here. Nevertheless, they are both great songs!

Well, I think that's about all for now. I'm gonna see about getting some more sleep, and come back for the MASSIVE WALLS OF TEXT later ;)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: eloj on December 31, 2010, 04:44:10 am
I'm not even through the first listening yet, but it sounds gggggrrrrreat! Will get a lot of listens during my commute.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Hadou on January 01, 2011, 01:24:05 am
I'm not even through the first listening yet, but it sounds gggggrrrrreat! Will get a lot of listens during my commute.

You haven't... listened to it yet? Where have you been? In a cave? Killing jews? WHAT THE HELL? YOU MONSTER!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: rafael.pereira on January 07, 2011, 01:49:40 pm
(it's been a few years since I last posted here but anyway)

Am I the only one who sees meanings beyond Death Note in Shinigami? I see it as a song about the way the United States (or the UN or whatever) crafts wars and conflicts as a way to create entertainment or dominate "lesser" cultures, pushing their customs down the throat of their victims. "I'm bored out of my skull, let's play a different game... pay a visit down below and cast the world in flames" as if there was nothing interesting going on in the media then kaboom! a war somewhere to be reported on the news.

Or maybe I'm trying to go too deep into those lyrics.

Anyway, it's an excellent album, most songs sounds really catchy to me, and I have a good time trying to find more meaning out of the lyrics. Cybergenesis and One Day still haven't grown on me after these months, but Kaori Stomp, Snake Mountain and Gimme More either.

As a suggestion for the next album, try using a different song structure from time to time. I know it sounds cool repeating the last chorus, or placing the solo after the 2nd chorus and  intertwined with the bridge, but it could do with a little more variety ;)

All in all, it's a great album, you guys rock, but DXM and Redeemer still have a special place in my heart and ears, sometimes for emotional reasons (they played an important role in my life), but mostly because in neither of them there wasn't any mocking or jokes, they sounded more serious and mature.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: filosquartapecore on January 20, 2011, 09:32:12 pm
after a month i finally got this album: it's perfect, there is a lot of sid machine! and there is "world of light", which is some kind of eargasm, i haven't already read any lyric but i'm going to do it soon. Keep on guys!
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Shalinar on January 25, 2011, 09:02:07 am
As a suggestion for the next album, try using a different song structure from time to time. I know it sounds cool repeating the last chorus, or placing the solo after the 2nd chorus and  intertwined with the bridge, but it could do with a little more variety ;)

So I wasn't the only one that noticed this either? ;D They are great songs, but after a while, the same old verse/chorus/verse/chorus/solo(or bridge)/chorus song structure gets boring, to me at least. And Im not just saying this about Machinae, this is one of the reasons that i stopped listening to mainstream music years ago, all the songs start to sound the same. MaSu is obviously WAY more talented than pretty much any mainstream band anymore, but I do like odd song structures and at least lots of variety (this is the reason that Redeemer is still my favorite album ever--so much freakin variety ^_^). A View From The End Of The World (the song) does have a different structure to it, and thats one reason I like that song :)
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: cloudstrifex on January 25, 2011, 10:26:19 am
That's why songs like Kaori Stomp and Fury pwn so much ;o
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: MrBlack on February 06, 2011, 07:49:47 pm
I'm not about to attempt to describe how much I love this album because I'll never do it justice in words. I will mention a few themes that instantly stood out to me.

One of the first things I picked up on and LOVED was the Death Note theme in World of Light and Shinigami, I heard World of Light and instantly thought of Light's theme... then I saw the song name and was like "omg I knew it!". I already knew there was a song called Shinigami on the album and when I heard it without seeing the title I instantly knew this was it. If anyone here hasn't watched Death Note, I STRONGLY recommend it. Even if you don't watch/have never watched anime in your life, this series is a masterpiece, appeals to a wide audience and I've never met anyone who hasn't loved it.

As a gamer, I immediately related to both Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper (WIN song title) & Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-Productive and found much amusement/appreciation in their tongue-in-cheek lyrics and especially IMiCP's amazingly catchy and contagious sound. This song has become like an anthem for me and my friends when we LAN.

A close friend of mine is kind of in a long distance online relationship but of course not quite sure about anything since they haven't met in real life so I was amazed when I read the lyrics to One Day in the Universe and after letting him borrow the album, it's become his favourite song.
Title: Re: A View From The End Of The World Discussion
Post by: Ziza on May 07, 2011, 01:22:56 am
Hard to believe this thread has managed to go this down already...

Now as a bumpage - it's certainly been a while. I even met the guys on the gig so "the life's complete", etc, you know the deal.

During all this time, I have listened to A View from the End of the World for countless number of times. This way I feel I have finally formed a balanced opinion... how has it changed over these few months?

1. A View from the End of the World - This song is still great for me. From the very first time I heard it during the first listening till now - I love it as an epic and powerful opening. I feel like no other MaSu's album had this good starter. What does it lack? The intro used in the gigs =D

2. Force Feedback - Still fantastic, still fast and powerful, still "the very definition of SID metal". Love it as well, but... I feel like I got a little bored of it till now.

3. Rocket Dragon - Took me a while to realize this, but this one is one of the album's best. Fantastic melody, ranging from dark to high-spirited in less than two seconds, interesting message, fucking great solo, getting higher and higher, with SID ending that finally shakes my pants.

4. Persona - I like it, yet this one didn't really stand the test of time. Even though I still love the ending part in which the guitar takes over the vocals' melody, I stopped listening to it as much as other songs.

5. Nova Prospekt - Another one that remains in "the best" tier. Sorry, I just get carried away too much by the epic songs. And this one is incredibly epic and manages to combine heaviness and slowness with the feeling of sublimity. The chorus totally rocks and the SID-guitar "duel" in solo is awesome too. I will _never_ cease to love it.

6. World of Light - No changes here. I love this intro <3

7. Shinigami - Same as Force Feedback, I would say.

8. Cybergenesis & 9. Action Girl - I don't really know why I can't get to really like those two. They are good, but after many tries I still can't find them as good as the first part of the album.

10. Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper - Except for the great lyrics, this one is the worst song of the album, that's what I feel :(

11. Indiscriminate Murder is Counter-Productive - In the beginning it was just an interesting one for me. Now it's one of the best, definitely. Really fun (though a bit too repetitive) lyrics and as fun melody. Great to listen, great to sing, great to dance - I am not surprised everyone in Pownland was disappointed it hadn't been played during the gig.

12. One Day in the Universe & 13. The Greatest Show on Earth - Not really the style of music I like in MaSu, that's all. Same as Cybergenesis and Action Girl, I didn't manage to get to like them. Even though lots of people are delighted with The Greatest Show on Earth, I still don't "feel" it.

14. Remnant - And in the end... this one couldn't surpass Reanimator. It still makes a perfect ending of the album and still leaves a good impression after everything is finished, but I'm getting bored of it as well. That makes it the last member of the group in which Force Feedback and Shinigami ended up. (and I absolutly won't ever call any of these three "bad". These are still fucking good, but not as good as album's best :D)

Overall? It's hard to compare this one with other albums. I was never able to say which one is the best - every MaSu's album has its better and worse sides. I feel like this album is the most erratic one, with so many songs I could gladly listen to over and over (the first half of the album especially) and also lots of songs I don't really care about.