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Title: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 14, 2007, 06:07:38 am
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Wow.

$599 ;_;
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: SomethingApt on January 14, 2007, 11:43:30 am
sexy.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Pete on January 14, 2007, 01:12:45 pm
Control everything with your fingers? Shiny touch screen? Oh dear.

Apart from that, it looks pretty cool...but I'm happy with my current phone. It has colours!
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Jack Lupino on January 14, 2007, 01:49:41 pm
It looks cool, saw it on tv the other day.

Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Spectrums on January 14, 2007, 04:52:38 pm
*drools*
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: evilcandybag on January 14, 2007, 09:11:52 pm
Does everything you don't need. Looks like it'll break. Uses iTunes. Sucks.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Goshawk on January 14, 2007, 09:38:03 pm
It's very sexy, but price tag is stupidly high.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 14, 2007, 10:00:22 pm
It's very sexy, but price tag is stupidly high.

FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS

GIANT ENEMY IPHONE   etc.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on January 14, 2007, 10:34:02 pm
Phones are meant to be little devices that call people, send texts etc. Things that are durable and designed for every day life. This looks like something you can only use in an area surrounded by pillows and soft objects.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on January 14, 2007, 11:38:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyTZScg7o0
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: SomethingApt on January 14, 2007, 11:57:06 pm
hahaha, hilarious video!

I like the look of the iPhone though. I disagree with the comments that it looks like it'll break, it looks pretty damn durable to me, and knowing apple it will be, from my experience their products are pretty solid (except for that batch of faulty nano's with dodgy screens, but they were quickly replaced). As for the price tag... Well... if you think about how much most people spend on an mp3 player and a phone, it's actually not that bad. That said... I won't be buying one. I might consider it once my current phone/mp3 player die, but they're good enough for me for now.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 15, 2007, 04:26:27 am
(http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/7/71/Diggmorons.gif/800px-Diggmorons.gif)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Goshawk on January 15, 2007, 06:56:39 pm
Lol, best bit is comments. xD
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: L'homme magique on January 15, 2007, 07:05:39 pm
Quote
As for the price tag... Well... if you think about how much most people spend on an mp3 player and a phone, it's actually not that bad.
/me turns around and bitches about PS3's price
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 18, 2007, 05:25:30 am
wtf?

Recognise this from anywhere?
http://www.mobilport.hu/?r=8266
(http://www.mobilport.hu/files/image_5/size_460/21819.jpg)
 (http://www.mobilport.hu/?r=8266)
(http://www.gearlive.com/blogimages/iphoneannounce.jpg)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: SomethingApt on January 18, 2007, 09:41:05 am
wtf?

Recognise this from anywhere?
http://www.mobilport.hu/?r=8266
(http://www.mobilport.hu/files/image_5/size_460/21819.jpg)
 (http://www.mobilport.hu/?r=8266)


actually... i dont. looks pretty nifty though. what is it? and why is that site all foreigny?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Ant on January 18, 2007, 02:14:50 pm
Fallout LG is the company that usually creates technologies first, they created HD although they do not so commercially claim to it

Man i love the gadget show ;D
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 18, 2007, 09:58:42 pm
Seems Apple stole the idea (and the design) off LG then...
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Spectrums on January 19, 2007, 03:31:50 am
And the iPhone costs under $250 to manufacture for the 4GB, and about $280 for the 8GB.

Ripoff.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Deri on January 19, 2007, 07:08:44 am
Seems Apple stole the idea (and the design) off LG then...

how do you know?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 19, 2007, 08:20:47 am
Seems Apple stole the idea (and the design) off LG then...

how do you know?
I had a look at the date of news entries. iPhone jan 07, LG phone dec 06. Although that doesn't say much as those are the dates they were announced, not the day they were designed.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Spectrums on January 20, 2007, 04:56:22 am
True, but near the same. If not the same.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 20, 2007, 05:06:39 am
Hmm.. I think the LG one is running Vista :o
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: L'homme magique on January 20, 2007, 05:50:59 am
That's a very basic design, Fallout... it's like saying all video game controllers with handles rip off of the Playstation controller because it had handles first.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Deri on January 20, 2007, 06:28:46 am
Although that doesn't say much as those are the dates they were announced, not the day they were designed.

well done
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 20, 2007, 06:33:35 am
That's a very basic design, Fallout... it's like saying all video game controllers with handles rip off of the Playstation controller because it had handles first.

I know, but dont you think it's a bit strange that two seperate companies come out with new products around the same time with near-identical design and concept? The point of the iPhone is it's supposed to be revolutionary, it's never been done before - and funnily enough, LG come up with this same idea of revolutionising phones, a month apart from Apple's announcement.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Deri on January 20, 2007, 08:16:39 am
shit happens?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Spectrums on January 20, 2007, 02:00:39 pm
Maybe planned shit. Apple has more cred then LG...
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on January 20, 2007, 05:31:28 pm
Maybe planned shit. Apple has more cred then LG...

Apple are completely over-rated. Macs aren't even all that good. I mean, they're awesome little computers, but people hype them up wayyy too much.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 20, 2007, 11:07:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5916aOMQNI&eurl=

Video of that LG phone. Narration is in French, but you can make out a few words and phrases "iMac", "Mac OS", "iPhone", "mp3", "playlist", "iPod"


EDIT: nice little news link here. I almost choked when I saw the price.

Quote from: CLICKY -> http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/01/15/apple_iphone_to_cost_595660_1.html
The 4GB model will come in at a shade under £600 while the 8GB could be as much as £660. This compares to approximately £255 and £306 in the US.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Ant on January 21, 2007, 07:38:04 pm
I like potential for puns


*slaps friend with i{hone*
iPhone'd you!
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: cloudstrifex on January 21, 2007, 08:31:18 pm
I like potential for puns


*slaps friend with i{hone*
iPhone'd you!

The iPun. :D
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Kobi on January 21, 2007, 09:30:42 pm
The release of those to are just to close to accuse either from copying the other. Both look really nice but I'd keep my hopes on the LG one. Its also LG's first colaboration with the Prada brand.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/lgs-prada-phone-beats-iphone-to-the-punch-229600.php
According to this page the hardware specs are just a tad lower on screen and so on but hopefully the LG phone will not be locked to a certin operator as it will be in the USA. It will be out within a month in certin european contries so I guess it will get a headstart to the iPhone everywhere within three months.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/01/18/lg.prada.phone.unveiled/
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 21, 2007, 09:32:02 pm
hopefully the LG phone will not be locked to a certin operator as it will be in the USA.

In the UK, the iPhone wont be locked to a certain operator, either. It'll also be 3G in Europe.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Kobi on January 21, 2007, 09:33:25 pm
hopefully the LG phone will not be locked to a certin operator as it will be in the USA.

In the UK, the iPhone wont be locked to a certain operator, either. It'll also be 3G in Europe.

If they lock the damn thing to the swedish operator 3 then hell will freeze over.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fallout on January 21, 2007, 09:37:05 pm
hopefully the LG phone will not be locked to a certin operator as it will be in the USA.

In the UK, the iPhone wont be locked to a certain operator, either. It'll also be 3G in Europe.

If they lock the damn thing to the swedish operator 3 then hell will freeze over.

That'd be kinda cool - you could go ice skating with Satan ;D

But yeah, it wont be locked to the "3" network, but the phone will be on the 3G wireless network, which means faster internets.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Einkoro on January 27, 2007, 09:16:33 am
The canadian carrier is Rogers and they have no coverage for the area I live in. Bah.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Bates on January 27, 2007, 11:20:47 am
Available 4. quarter in Europe, I'm already saving money.  :P
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: LordXaras on January 30, 2007, 11:27:12 pm
Available 4. quarter in Europe, I'm already saving money.  :P
qft

The problem is, by that time, something much, much cooler will have been announced.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Irrationalist on January 31, 2007, 08:13:53 pm
Available 4. quarter in Europe, I'm already saving money.  :P
qft

The problem is, by that time, something much, much cooler will have been announced.

Which won't be hard to do.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Xhu on January 31, 2007, 09:25:53 pm
Ah, but at least you'd have saved money with which to buy the cool thing.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Irrationalist on February 01, 2007, 09:15:34 am
Ah, but at least you'd have saved money with which to buy the cool thing.

True. So who is gonna bye an iPhone? Not me.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Einkoro on February 01, 2007, 11:22:39 pm
Ah, but at least you'd have saved money with which to buy the cool thing.

True. So who is gonna bye an iPhone? Not me.

I don't know if I would bye one but I would buy one down the road when it is no longer Rogers exclusive in Canada since they have no coverage here and after the problems are worked out in a few revisions.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Kobi on February 04, 2007, 04:20:47 pm
Ah, but at least you'd have saved money with which to buy the cool thing.

True. So who is gonna bye an iPhone? Not me.

I would have if it weren't for two reasons.
A: I recently bought an Nokia N73, shows videos quite well to.
B: Apple will lock it to a certin operator in every country it seems.

As I stated further back in this thread I keep my hopes to the prada phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PSvpPXppXA&eurl=
New (bad) video on its interface BTW.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on February 04, 2007, 08:08:44 pm
I'm buying that. it looks so much nicer (though probably pricier).
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Kobi on February 15, 2007, 06:13:50 pm
More and more phones are taking inspiration of the iPhone. This is probably the most recognizable one with the bigg difference that it runs Windows LOL

(http://www.meizu.com/bbs/UploadFile/2007-2/2007212424037523.jpg)

http://en.meizu.com/userforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=704&FID=2&PR=3
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Fjedsen on February 18, 2007, 08:34:37 pm
More and more phones are taking inspiration of the iPhone. This is probably the most recognizable one with the bigg difference that it runs Windows LOL

(http://www.meizu.com/bbs/UploadFile/2007-2/2007212424037523.jpg)

http://en.meizu.com/userforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=704&FID=2&PR=3

LOL ^^ it will never run^^

but with iPhone u can control your buisness, probably the world and for sure you microwave ;)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Einkoro on April 16, 2007, 06:46:07 am
The iPhone will fail miserabley in Canada and for no fault of Apple:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomaspurves/452679328/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boris/453017593/

Even 3rd world countries have better mobile carriers than Canada.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lexx on April 16, 2007, 04:54:57 pm
Even 3rd world countries have better mobile carriers than Canada.

You mean Canada isn- ah, never mind.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: SpeedD on April 18, 2007, 02:08:48 am
The iPhone will fail miserabley in Canada and for no fault of Apple:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomaspurves/452679328/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boris/453017593/

Even 3rd world countries have better mobile carriers than Canada.

There's a reason I don't have one ;)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Ant on April 18, 2007, 02:11:24 am
You don't get reception?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Bates on May 27, 2007, 12:00:20 pm
I've already saved the money, now I just need a way to get the iPhone quickly...
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: harvey danger on May 30, 2007, 12:23:16 pm
My father has been saying he's going to get one. Meanwhile he's barely got the money for the mortgage.  :P Is it just a PDA/phone, or am I missing something?

I've already saved the money, now I just need a way to get the iPhone quickly...

Steal one. Then you can keep the money.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: yas‮ on July 16, 2008, 06:00:07 pm
OMG I DUG OUT THE DEAD!!!11

So, my question is, is it worth to buy one? I'm looking for a multimedia phone with uber sound quality, which my Nokia N73 sucks at. I mean, will it keep me entertained and become a chick magnet?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: dezo on July 16, 2008, 06:37:43 pm
The sound is ok but not übah.
Buy it as a music player, not as a multimedia machine.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: yas‮ on July 16, 2008, 07:05:26 pm
The thing is it's pretty expensive. OK, I can afford it, as I work for 30 minutes and sit 9 hours a day in some foreign ex-soviet country. But is it really worth my hard-earned money? And - is the sound the same as in iPod Touch?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Jack Lupino on July 16, 2008, 07:51:21 pm
Apple is worn out, even tech nerds and rich people reject their lameness.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: dezo on July 16, 2008, 09:15:18 pm
buy yourself something useful instead... like a cellphone and an iriver and still got cash to buy food the rest of the year.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Muckwuddly on July 16, 2008, 09:31:17 pm
buy yourself something useful instead... like a cellphone and an iriver and still got cash to buy food the rest of the year.

Best advise so far. ;)

Btw, what's the difference between iPod Touch and iPhone?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Bocom on July 16, 2008, 09:36:41 pm
I have one, and it rocks imo. (Wow, I will soooooo pay for this :o)

No, it's not a 3G version, it's the slightly older one, and sure, to me it has some minor flaws, but all in all, I like it alot.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: harvey danger on July 16, 2008, 10:31:14 pm
buy yourself something useful instead... like a cellphone and an iriver and still got cash to buy food the rest of the year.

Best advise so far. ;)

Btw, what's the difference between iPod Touch and iPhone?

Some features are missing from the iPod Touch, and I think it has larger storage? It's generally just more equipped to play music.

You can still use the internet on it, though.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Jack Lupino on July 16, 2008, 11:26:28 pm
buy yourself something useful instead... like a cellphone and an iriver and still got cash to buy food the rest of the year.
The motherhumpin TRUTH
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: SweZor on July 17, 2008, 01:20:56 pm
buy yourself something useful instead... like a cellphone and an iriver and still got cash to buy food the rest of the year.

QFT
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: yas‮ on July 17, 2008, 05:57:33 pm
Got a cellphone, can buy food for three years even when I'll buy teh iphoon. And I don't want any music players, cause I simply hate having the player in one pocket and the cellphone in another. Hate. Hatehatehate. And I'm still wondering is it worth it.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Bocom on July 17, 2008, 07:13:39 pm
Got a cellphone, can buy food for three years even when I'll buy teh iphoon. And I don't want any music players, cause I simply hate having the player in one pocket and the cellphone in another. Hate. Hatehatehate. And I'm still wondering is it worth it.

It's all taste. I agree with you on music players in one pocket and phone in another.

As I said, the iPhone is perfect for me. Try it out somehow, if you like it, get it. Otherwise, well, get something else. :)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Einkoro on July 17, 2008, 11:38:36 pm
Plans are way too expensive for what you get in Canada or I'd replace my land line with one. :(

(http://www.janpingel.com/misc/temp/iphone3gcosts21.png)

That leaves out the 13% tax on top.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on July 17, 2008, 11:42:02 pm
its an apple product, of course it's going to be overpriced!
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Einkoro on July 17, 2008, 11:48:41 pm
its an apple product, of course it's going to be overpriced!

No - All rates for phones are a total rip off in Canada. Data rates up until recently would cost $4000/mo for 1gb of data.

(http://www.janpingel.com/misc/temp/loldata.jpg)

And on the topic of apple being overpriced: My MBP cost $100 less before my edu discount and rebate than the same hardware from dell.ca. Not to mention the dell has an inferior trackpad, shitty plastic chassis, inconvenient ports on the rear instead of sides, ugly as sin and lolvista.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on July 18, 2008, 12:04:15 am
dell xps line seems to be almost as powerful bar the processor at around half the price (UK wise).
of course, im liking my mac 4 months on. buying a MBP next year. would get one now but the redesign is imminent.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Einkoro on July 18, 2008, 02:29:04 am
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/07/09/nvidia.g84.g86.faulty/

If that is true then it looks like I might be getting a replacement MBP from Apple in the near future as mine uses the g86. I look forward to not having to disassemble the entire chassis just to replace the hd with a ssd.  :P

Incase anyone missed the sarcasm, I do not look forward to it. With my luck my replacement will have a dead or stuck pixel or some bullshit they won't cover. No Apple Stores in BC to take it to and pick out a replacement either. :(
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Drakonis on July 18, 2008, 06:11:41 pm
I bought an instinct cause I get a sprint discount, it was cheaper, and the plan I got was way cheaper with unlimited text/internet/email etc. All i have a limit on is minutes, but i get unlimited nights/weekends and I hardly use my cellphone before 7PM anyway so it wasn't really a big deal. I've always used plans with like 450 daytime minutes and ive never came close to breaching that limit.

I dont typically get home from work til around 7pm, so it works out fantastic for me.

Thats just me, I think the iPhone has a way better internet browser than the instinct (the instincts, for the type of phone it is, sucks frankly). I just wanted the turn by turn navigation though, and the instinct does it great. So other than that, I just wanted a new phone. I got what I wanted. I'll keep using my Zune for my music player no matter what phone you give me, so thats how it rolled out for me. :P
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Von on July 20, 2008, 05:34:04 am
[price comparison image]

Add 17.5% onto the UK total as well for VAT. Data isn't really unlimited either.

The iPhone is a marketing super-success story. They've managed to turn a sub-standard brick into the latest "must have" device.


http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/07/09/nvidia.g84.g86.faulty/

If that is true then it looks like I might be getting a replacement MBP from Apple in the near future as mine uses the g86. I look forward to not having to disassemble the entire chassis just to replace the hd with a ssd.  :P

Incase anyone missed the sarcasm, I do not look forward to it. With my luck my replacement will have a dead or stuck pixel or some bullshit they won't cover. No Apple Stores in BC to take it to and pick out a replacement either. :(

The original article (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/09/nvidia-g84-g86-bad) was written by Charlie, LeInq's resident green-team-basher, so it's best to read the article while wearing bs-goggles. Nonetheless, anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that there is indeed quite a degree of truth to this. Furthermore, DAAMIT is continuing to put the pressure on NV with cheaper parts that still hold up the benchmarks. Nvidia's prior complacency has now left them up the creek with a tea-cup for a paddle.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Crazywater on July 20, 2008, 01:10:23 pm
[price comparison image]

Add 17.5% onto the UK total as well for VAT. Data isn't really unlimited either.

The iPhone is a marketing super-success story. They've managed to turn a sub-standard brick into the latest "must have" device.
Well, it has probably the best user interface of an electronic device that I've ever seen. The only thing that I don't like about it is the touch screen keyboard.
But the iPhone is still _way_ to expensive for me.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Von on July 20, 2008, 09:22:51 pm
Well given how integral the touch-screen is to the user-interface - it is, after all, how you interface with the device - I'd have to say that it fails there too.

Touch-screen is not the way forward. It does not herald the coming of a new age in computing. It's an old idea re-hashed, and it still has the same usability pitfalls as it did 10 years ago.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on July 20, 2008, 10:11:31 pm
I'm pretty happy with my HTC Ty TTN II

Also known as the HTC model: OMGWTFLOL
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Crazywater on July 20, 2008, 10:30:35 pm
Well given how integral the touch-screen is to the user-interface - it is, after all, how you interface with the device - I'd have to say that it fails there too.

Touch-screen is not the way forward. It does not herald the coming of a new age in computing. It's an old idea re-hashed, and it still has the same usability pitfalls as it did 10 years ago.
It is, however, the best user-interface the industry has come up with. And a touch-screen is not equal to another touch-screen. The iPhone interface just -feels- better because of many reasons: First of all, you have a solid glass screen, which is so much better than the usual plastic-foil-whatever-screens. It is still extremely responsive and exact. And you can't even scratch it.
Second, there is no stylus, which is great, because you can't lose it, because you just have one device, because it's so much more intuitive to make hand gestures than pen gestures. Drawback is, you can't really point very exactly with your fingers, but the iPhone UI doesn't need you to do that on most occasions, except for the keyboard, which is why I don't like that.
Third, there are more things to the UI than just the concept of a touch-screen. If you have ever used an iPhone, you may have noticed that things scroll smooth, things move on if you have accelerated them, and become slower, as if there was a bit of friction, which gives a realistic feel. Then, the mobile Safari is probably the best mobile browser out there.
Touch screens have their pitfalls, but they are necessary if you want to save space for another input device. And so far, the iPhone is the best solution to the problems of touch screens.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Von on July 21, 2008, 03:34:06 am
So your argument comes down to repeating "there's lots of things wrong with it but it's still the best"? You seem to be trying your best to ignore the fact that the touch-screen (while indeed different from other touch-screen phones, it's a completely irrelevant point) is still an integral part of the user interface - and the only input method. It could have the most functional UI ever developed (which would be a matter of opinion), but that's not much good if the method of accessing that UI is pants. Touch screens have their advantages, and as such, offering one along side a standard keypad would be a significant bonus. However, at the sizes relevant to a phone, a touch screen does not have the functionality to replace a keypad. If your fingers are bigger than a 10-year-old's, you're instantly at a disadvantage - one which a stylus would at least help to minimise. Specifically leaving out a stylus is not a positive aspect - it simply serves to reduce operability even further (which would be a matter of fact). Your point against this is utterly hilarious; hey, if you don't have a phone in the first place, you can't lose it either!

At no point are touch screens "necessary" on a phone. What's this about saving space for another input device? That doesn't even make sense, it would completely contradict its own function. A 3rd-party browser has absolutely nothing to do with anything either.

As an aside, I personally find the Nokia UI/interface to be the best on the market. Not to mention that it's significantly cheaper and comes with far more functionality than the iPhone - and they aren't retail locked to a single network.

Anecdote: A friend of mine had an iPhone. He took it back within a week and exchanged it for a Nokia.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on July 21, 2008, 03:57:00 am
(which would be a matter of opinion)

yes, opinion. like yours. so stop trying to bash others for liking something you don't?
if the iphone fails, i dont understand how it sold so many. ive used one and i think its pretty nifty. wouldn't buy one myself just yet (expensive with their price plans), but its a step in right direction.
you also mention that touch screens are old hat, and that they've been around for ages. well, button-based phones have too, you know. consumers like a bit of variety and that's why the iphone sells. it takes features from less popular phones, glitters them up and packages it all into one. yeah, the samsung x49058495849 can play mp3s, and the sony erricson itutu470 can browse the interwebs. but the iphone does all of that right out of the box. thats what people like.
on a side note, i have a nokia and the interface is pretty nice. downloading themes ftw.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Von on July 21, 2008, 04:11:35 am
yes, opinion. like yours. so stop trying to bash others for liking something you don't?

wah wah waaaaah. What are you, the white knight of folk who can't substantiate their own arguments?


if the iphone fails, i dont understand how it sold so many.

I could've sworn I covered this already...


you also mention that touch screens are old hat, and that they've been around for ages. well, button-based phones have too, you know.

Fantastic counter to a point that I didn't make!


consumers like a bit of variety and that's why the iphone sells. it takes features from less popular phones, glitters them up and packages it all into one.

Exactly..? As I previously-previously said, it's a marketing super-success story.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Gravehill on July 21, 2008, 04:55:24 am
Try to keep your manners* as we're talking only about some new gadget. No need to go on personal level or anything like that.

That said, my thoughts about iPhone : I think it costs too much and I don't like multimedia-all-around-devices too much in general. I like to have simple and cheap phone with which I can make phone calls, send txt-messages. If I can get cheap phone that can do those things and take pictures, play mp3's and if I can browse net with it that's something extra. Good that they are there but TBH I use those features only rarely if never. And because so I don't want to pay extra for them. Also I don't like idea about forcing people to use certain operator, I like to have freedom of choice, it keeps prices lower. So iPhone is not my thing.


* means everyone, just general remark
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Von on July 21, 2008, 05:00:39 am
I don't like multimedia-all-around-devices too much in general.

Ah, yes. The iPhone; a jack-of-all-trades, but master of none. Excellence in any one field is sacrificed for cramming more junk into it.

Somehow, it still manages to lack a whole bunch of basic functionality.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: harvey danger on July 21, 2008, 08:09:43 am
I don't like multimedia-all-around-devices too much in general.

Ah, yes. The iPhone; a jack-of-all-trades, but master of none. Excellence in any one field is sacrificed for cramming more junk into it.

Somehow, it still manages to lack a whole bunch of basic functionality.

Basic functionality? It's a phone. It can call people. That's all the basic functionality a phone needs. Everything else is extra.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on July 21, 2008, 08:29:20 am
Basic functionality? It's a phone. It can call people. That's all the basic functionality a phone needs. Everything else is extra.

Pretty pricey for a lil' gadget that's just supposed to call people, then.

I haven't used the iphone, so I'm not going to get into an argument on how it works, but I'm gonna say this at any rate: No matter if it's really good or really bad, I'm willing to bet a whole lot of money on the fact that It's mostly selling lots of units based on two things:

Hype, and fanboyism.

Oh, and did I mention.. hype?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Bocom on July 21, 2008, 01:29:14 pm
The iPhone didn't capture me because of hype or fanboyism, it captured me because I thought it was a good device (flame proof suit gem activated), and nothing people claim can ever tell me otherwise.

I can easily claim that it isn't fanboyism, UNLESS having a MacBook somehow makes me a fanboy.  :/

I've used Nokia cellphones and Sony Ericsson cellphones all my life, and I was used to them, I thought that they were decent enough. Then Apple announced the iPhone, and I thought to my self "Hey, that's pretty cool, I'd like to try one out!", but since it didn't see a release until the 11th of this month, I kinda forgot about it. When I then lost my w880i, I thought to myself to try to get an iPhone, because I wanted to know how good they were (Which basically means that I bought my iPhone on a whim. Just like all my other cellphones).

I haven't regretted getting it since day 1, since it does some things waaay better than other cellphones do. It has, as I said, some flaws that the mainstream audience want for their daily cellphone usage (to name two: MMS, which CAN be used using a third-party software, and a "better camera", it's 2 Megapixel, like my w880i, but somehow, it still takes way better pictures than my w880i), but frankly, I don't give a damn about a "better" camera nor MMS capability, so for me, those flaws a practically non-existant.

If you don't like the iPhone, fine. If you think it's over-priced (TeliaSonera is charging a lot here in Sweden), fine. If you think that it's bad for reasons understandable, fine! I don't care if you like it or not; If you like it, then I am glad you like it, if you don't, then I'm sorry you feel that way.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Crazywater on July 21, 2008, 05:46:29 pm
So your argument comes down to repeating "there's lots of things wrong with it but it's still the best"?
Right. There's lots of things wrong with this world, but it's still the best world we've come up with.
To be serious, I think that the iPhone is the best mobile phone on the market. I wouldn't buy it because of its price and because of the fact that it's locked to an even more expensive provider, but I think that it is from the user's point of view the most intuitive and useful mobile device out there.
You seem to be trying your best to ignore the fact that the touch-screen (while indeed different from other touch-screen phones, it's a completely irrelevant point) is still an integral part of the user interface - and the only input method. It could have the most functional UI ever developed (which would be a matter of opinion), but that's not much good if the method of accessing that UI is pants. Touch screens have their advantages, and as such, offering one along side a standard keypad would be a significant bonus. However, at the sizes relevant to a phone, a touch screen does not have the functionality to replace a keypad. If your fingers are bigger than a 10-year-old's, you're instantly at a disadvantage - one which a stylus would at least help to minimise. Specifically leaving out a stylus is not a positive aspect - it simply serves to reduce operability even further (which would be a matter of fact). Your point against this is utterly hilarious; hey, if you don't have a phone in the first place, you can't lose it either!
Whoa. :)
First of all, have you ever tried to use a stylus-operated touch screen device, and then compared it to using the iPhone/iPod Touch interface? If not, you should. Then you probably wouldn't say that the difference of the iPhone's touch screen to usual touch screens is irrelevant.
A stylus is not the way to go at all. It splits your device into two parts. It makes its use unintuitive. It is often just a workaround for the software-side of the user interface that can't make the buttons large enough for fingers. It doesn't even allow you to touch multiple parts of the screen at once, which is very important for the UI of the iPhone. There are so many arguments against a stylus, I would never want to have to use one. It's not only the point of being able to lose it.
Finally, I ask you: Does your current phone have a QWERTY-keyboard? What do you consider faster for typing? An on-screen QWERTY-keyboard, even if the keys are extremely small, or the number keys from 0-9 which you have to tap 3 to 4 times in order to get the correct letter? Or do you have a Windows Mobile Smartphone with a "beloved" ;) stylus?

At no point are touch screens "necessary" on a phone. What's this about saving space for another input device? That doesn't even make sense, it would completely contradict its own function. A 3rd-party browser has absolutely nothing to do with anything either.
I don't think you got me on that aspect... you do not necessarily need a touch screen, but a screen. At least if you want to do something more than dialing numbers. And you need an input device. Now... the touch screen is today the only solution to maximize screen space while minimizing the size of the phone. Or is it? You may correct me on that point. :)
And Mobile Safari isn't a 3rd-party browser but an application preinstalled on the iPhone. And my point is, it has something to do with the rest, because it shows the possibilities of a touch screen operated device like the iPhone. You actually can zoom in and out with finger gestures, so it's no problem to click on links, read text etc. And the best of it is: Mobile Safari actually _works_.

But if you got used to your Nokia software (which I found annoying as hell at first on my phone because I did not find anything), then you can aswell stick with that. It's like getting used to Windows XP which needs you to click through like 5 menus when you want to change your IP address, but if you know how to get there, then it's no problem at all either :)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on July 21, 2008, 08:29:29 pm
Finally, I ask you: Does your current phone have a QWERTY-keyboard? What do you consider faster for typing? An on-screen QWERTY-keyboard, even if the keys are extremely small, or the number keys from 0-9 which you have to tap 3 to 4 times in order to get the correct letter? Or do you have a Windows Mobile Smartphone with a "beloved" ;) stylus?

Mine has a QWERTY-keyboard. Not an on-screen one, but an actual keyboard, I find that quicker. If it didn't have that, I'd prefer a numpad with t9, even if it's cumbersome at times over a on-screen keyboard. I've got pretty big fingers, y'see. My phone has a stylus, but you really don't need it. It's designed so i can use my fingers as well. The stylus is more an optional addon here, for precision navigation in downloadable apps or for people who like it, the gui itself works fine without it.



And as another note: I didn't say -everyone- bought it 'cause of fanboyism/hype. I said I think it's selling big because of it, and there's a differance. Iphone follows in the footsteps of the huge success they had with Ipods (some of 'em deserve the good rep, some of 'em don't) and the laptops (that i really like). Remove the rep and their hype, and you have a phone that would probably be popular, but not the new "in"-thing to have.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: yas‮ on July 21, 2008, 09:10:43 pm
I got my contract renewed so I'll be staying in Lithuania a bit longer, so I'll buy this bastard. And I'll share my thoughts afterwards.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on July 21, 2008, 11:08:27 pm
Remove the rep and their hype, and you have a phone that would probably be popular, but not the new "in"-thing to have.

that's how products sell. its a known fact that most apple products have a smooth, elegant design. look at macbooks, imacs, ipods and the iphone. they are all streamlined and designed to look good, something people want to be seen with. thats a selling point by itself. [:
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on July 21, 2008, 11:13:38 pm
that's how products sell. its a known fact that most apple products have a smooth, elegant design. look at macbooks, imacs, ipods and the iphone. they are all streamlined and designed to look good, something people want to be seen with. thats a selling point by itself. [:


I like it when people make my point for me. ;)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on July 21, 2008, 11:22:03 pm
i believe you said "omfg it sold because its apple lol", whereas i said "it sold because it looks nice" :/
besides, you can apply your point to every popular item on the market. the 3g iphone wouldn't of sold so well if it sucked, because it managed to score good reviews with the original to begin with. i think thats proof enough that people like and want it!
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on July 21, 2008, 11:59:37 pm
i believe you said "omfg it sold because its apple lol", whereas i said "it sold because it looks nice" :/
besides, you can apply your point to every popular item on the market. the 3g iphone wouldn't of sold so well if it sucked, because it managed to score good reviews with the original to begin with. i think thats proof enough that people like and want it!

I believe I said it sold BIG 'cause of the hype, but it'd probably be decently popular 'cause it's a nice phone. And I'm not SAYING it's a bad phone, and i'm not SAYING that people don't like it and just stay with it 'cause of the coolness factor - I AM however saying that it's probably riding a helluva lot more on rep and hype than other products previously pushed by apple. Is it not a fair statement that besides the ipod, the iphone has recieved a LOT more airtime than other products?

Agreed this hype-theory might be applied to many popular products, but far from all. Not all companies has the rep and backing that apple has, and when it comes to marketing... apple are indeed very very good, better than almost everyone else.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on July 22, 2008, 12:18:10 am
but why aren't other companies just as good? surely if a company cannot market it's product in such a way that attracts a wide range of customers, their stuff deserves to not sell? in such a crammed market (for games, computers, phones and everything technology) it's everybody for themselves really. apple has managed to create this image for itself and it sells.  money is money.
 the logo, their design, their adverts and everything about the brand is easily distinguished from other products. if you showed me a nokia phone beside the samsung without the brandnames, chances are you won't be able to identify them (assuming you hadn't seem them before). if i showed someone an apple item, it's an almost sureshot fact they will know what it is.
ahwell. im rambling and i never make sense. [:
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on July 22, 2008, 12:35:37 am
but why aren't other companies just as good? surely if a company cannot market it's product in such a way that attracts a wide range of customers, their stuff deserves to not sell? in such a crammed market (for games, computers, phones and everything technology) it's everybody for themselves really. apple has managed to create this image for itself and it sells.  money is money.
 the logo, their design, their adverts and everything about the brand is easily distinguished from other products. if you showed me a nokia phone beside the samsung without the brandnames, chances are you won't be able to identify them (assuming you hadn't seem them before). if i showed someone an apple item, it's an almost sureshot fact they will know what it is.
ahwell. im rambling and i never make sense. [:


Why other companies aren't as good? Well.. they have less cash and less brains behind their marketing, I'd assume.

And to me, a good product deserves to be noticed and sold, even if the people marketing are doing a shitty job. I'd rather take a good product with shitty marketing than a less good with good marketing behind it.

And of course it's everyone for themselves, and I'm not saying it's a bad thing what apple has done in creating their brand and their rep. It's good, especially for them - and they DO deserve it, 'cause they've had some really good products.

It's just like von said a few pages back though: It all comes down to viewing products and their marketing through a pair of BS-goggles. The iphone is a good product, but it does lack in areas and is certainly not perfect - the view of many when one reads reviews and the likes online. I've seen numerous accounts where people has beein doin' this: "OMG ITS SOO GOOD LOOKING ITS AWSUM! I CANT USE MMS AND THE CAMERA SUCKS BALLS AND THE BATTERY IS NOT SO GOOD BUT I LOVE IT IT IS PERFECT I SHALL MAKE LOVE TO IT NOOOOOW!" - And I just can't abide it.

If it's got flaws, admit it! My phone has flaws (bad battery time, for instance.. and it's too big for some people), but I can live with them and I certainly don't try to deny that they are there, and that seems to be what a LOT of iphone-enthusiasts are doing.

If you wanna get the iphone for whatever reason - do so. If you can live with the flaws, good for you, you've got a good phone (albeit an expensive one). Just try to be sensible, okay? It's not nirvana on earth - it's a fucking phone. ;)

"You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis...and YOU ARE NOT YOUR FUCKING IPHONE EITHER!" // Tyler Durden, somewhat modified.



And now I realize that It looks like this post is aimed directly at mems, and it's not. Just the three first paragraphs. ;)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Lysix on July 22, 2008, 12:44:10 am
i should hope the last parts weren't aimed at me, because i don't plan on buying an iphone just yet. my nokia 6300 does the job for me [:
valid points, though. reskpekcktktkt to u lol?
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: harvey danger on July 22, 2008, 01:19:19 am
Basic functionality? It's a phone. It can call people. That's all the basic functionality a phone needs. Everything else is extra.

Pretty pricey for a lil' gadget that's just supposed to call people, then.

That was the underlying point. I've never seen an all-in-one gadget that can do everything excellently, like Von said; "jack-of-all-trades, but master of none". I'm actually getting kind of sick of these things.

Don't even get me started on texting.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: dezo on July 22, 2008, 02:50:02 am
I have an iPhone and I'll definitely admit to have fallen for the marketing blast.
The touch screen is perfect for use with fingers = "true"
The iPhone is a Smartphone = "false"

The iPhone is Dumbe!;)
Think about this: Jonne sent me a zip file with a couple of guitar riffs he wanted me to have in mind for a song project.
I got the mail to my iPhone and then... nothing.

I bought the iPhone under the assumption that it was a Smartphone.
The one thing that I require is full mail function.
The iPhones mail is slick and usable if you want to read text and nothing more.
If you, as I do, haf to work with mail related stuff and think that you can do just that with the iPhone you are in for one of the most frustrating surplices of your life.
The phone is not cheap.
I feel sort of dumb when I'm thinking about how slick it felt the first few days...

Now I have a HTC Touch Diamond... good old windows. There is nothing I can't do with that phone.
You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake! (Tyler durden strikes again)
The HTC has crappy battery and you haf to be a bit g33k to get the UI to work as fast as you want.
But being windows, you can do registry hacks for about everything.
All within the legal rights mentioned the EULA too I haf to say.

The iPhone is a kewl phone, but alas not a Smartphone.
The HTS is a g33ky phone with all the features of a dominant Smartphone.

But g33k as I am I must recommend the FreeRunner =)
http://www.openmoko.com/ (http://www.openmoko.com/) Linux ftw!
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Gravehill on July 22, 2008, 02:54:51 am
I've had several phones and only one bad. Bad one was Motorola and I've heard that since that (many years ago) they have improved lot. So far I've not seen phone that "I must have".

I just wish that they would do phones that could be operated by energy from some sort of generic battery (like ability to run it from (rechargeable) AAA-batteries) that are available virtually everywhere and that will be available in future as well. I would also like that phone would endure water and that it would be shock resistant. I wish they would develope energy-systems and physical durability of phones instead adding that many devices on them. I've had to get rid of one mobile phone and one laptop because I could not find batteries for them. Sure, I could have tried to re-cell (or what ever the correct term is) them but that would have cost more than buyin a new one. Granted, AAA-batteries are not that good way to storage energy so I used it only as example. Still I'm sure that they could do something for energy consumption and energy input methods in phones.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Bocom on July 22, 2008, 03:41:06 am
How is the homebrew support on the HTC?

Since I just upgraded to the latest iPhone firmware, it's a bit shaky, but it's all a matter of time, the coolest of the coolest apps will eventually come back.

To me, homebrew is a pretty important aspect of almost any device, since it can add lots of new capabilities and posibilities, like the iPhone or the Wii as an example.

(Like asking people to put the zip on some temporary webspace and then use MobileSafari to download the file and then unzip it using the command line tool unzip ;))
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: dezo on July 22, 2008, 04:09:05 am
(Like asking people to put the zip on some temporary webspace and then use MobileSafari to download the file and then unzip it using the command line tool unzip ;))

Think of it this way: An agent for EBS sends me a zipfile with logos or whatnot to my mail. I'm on tour and haven't the time to sit down by a computer.
Should I call the agent and ask him to post the file on a server instead of just opening it on my phone?
The command line tool for iPhone is a violation of EULA, so if I fsuk up my phone while I'm away fom home noone can reach me because of the EULA violation.
I'm not saying "don't hack the iPhone", I'm saying "should I haf to hack it?".
Homebrew for HTC is quite easymode to install and develop if you use compact .net framework.
If you are familiar with windows CE it shouldn't be a problem to write a app for anythink you'd like.
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: gaijin on July 22, 2008, 06:08:08 am
Dezo: Feels good knowing that i'm not the only htc-nerd out there, at any rate. ;)

They make phones that work pretty well. One step closer to a PDA than most phones, but I don't mind. It works. Not flawlessly (I had to install a separate movie-player for xvid for instance), but it's good enough.

And how beautiful isn't it to have 5-8 full-length movies loaded onto your phone for those long night shifts with nothing to do? ;)
Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Jack Lupino on July 22, 2008, 11:46:23 pm
My buddy one got one and it looks pretty damn sweet.

When you view photos, and hold your phone upside down, the photo automatically turns to the correct angle so you can see the picture normally again.

Title: Re: iPhone
Post by: Drakonis on July 23, 2008, 12:23:17 am
My buddy one got one and it looks pretty damn sweet.

When you view photos, and hold your phone upside down, the photo automatically turns to the correct angle so you can see the picture normally again.



Phew, I need that feature on my phone. I'm always trying to look at my pictures upside down and it confuses me.

Omg, im sorry. I'm trolling now  :(

To be honest, I do think for the most part thats a really intelligent feature. I know my instinct has a wide screen on it and when I view pictures inside the email it tries to display them from top to bottom, regardless if its a longer image. When I save them and view them in the imagine viewer, it displays them the best way to view them, which is good. But its annoying to see somebody squeezed into a wide screen with black boxes on the edge and im sitting there wondering how hard it woulda been to add a freakin' rotate button to the email app.