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Title: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on November 26, 2006, 06:11:52 pm
macs suck.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Macs are good for industry standard stuff, like video editing and the like. For personal use i just found them to be a pain.


This thread was split from the Wii sales thread. PS: I love Lysix. He's amazingly handsome. -Torp
Title: Re: Wii sales set to soar to an all-time high
Post by: Fallout on November 26, 2006, 09:16:08 pm
macs suck.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Macs are good for industry standard stuff, like video editing and the like. For personal use i just found them to be a pain.

Apple market them as the "creative" side to a PC, with video editing, gaming, and picture editing etc.
But they forget, Mac's are useless with games.
Title: Re: Wii sales set to soar to an all-time high
Post by: Jack Lupino on November 27, 2006, 01:21:40 am
Can we have a windows/mac fight now ?
Title: Re: Wii sales set to soar to an all-time high
Post by: Fallout on November 27, 2006, 01:28:20 am
We all know who the winner is, there's no point in arguing.
Title: Re: Wii sales set to soar to an all-time high
Post by: Fallout on November 27, 2006, 02:32:59 am
create a new thread to discuss windows vs mac if you want, lets keep this one on topic. (besides... there's no argument, windows is shit. :P )

See above edit :)
Title: Re: Wii sales set to soar to an all-time high
Post by: Jack Lupino on November 27, 2006, 03:41:12 am
Gah. Well first i have to say SG mods this board perfectly, and second : Windows pnezns !
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: SomethingApt on November 27, 2006, 07:51:06 pm
Gah. Well first i have to say SG mods this board perfectly

yeah, i feel like im doing all the work, while torp just sits there spamming   ::)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Jesse on November 28, 2006, 12:04:21 am
Between Windows and Mac, I'd vote for OS X.  But of course, Linux/BSD pwns them both.  ;D

For gaming, on the other hand...
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Kobi on November 28, 2006, 12:35:25 am
Can't we take this debate a month after the release of Windows Vista? More interesting when we have feedback from the dumb masses :P
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 28, 2006, 12:40:50 am
Vista sucks now, and it will on release.

It looks nice though, shame it's broke in theory.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Kobi on November 28, 2006, 12:49:01 am
Vista sucks now, and it will on release.

It looks nice though, shame it's broke in theory.

I've used it since beta 1 and I don't agree at all. :)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 28, 2006, 01:29:18 am
Vista sucks now, and it will on release.

It looks nice though, shame it's broke in theory.

I've used it since beta 1 and I don't agree at all. :)

80% performance on games compared to XP
Restrictions on the Windows Kernel, disallowing external antivirus programs to be installed, and pretty much disabling you from ever touching the Windows folder?

Sucks.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Kobi on November 28, 2006, 01:48:42 am
Vista sucks now, and it will on release.

It looks nice though, shame it's broke in theory.

I've used it since beta 1 and I don't agree at all. :)

80% performance on games compared to XP
Restrictions on the Windows Kernel, disallowing external antivirus programs to be installed, and pretty much disabling you from ever touching the Windows folder?

Sucks.

It really shows you have not tried or been kept up with the lates info. 80% gameperformance compared to XP is bogus. Even beta 1 gave increased my performance on Quake 4, F.E.A.R., Battlefield 2 and Half Life 2. I can't give any stats on that but the framerate on the same settings were between 5-15 in these games on the same settings on XP. Windows Kernel, well all have complaints on that are the software engineers but Microsoft has the right to restrict it to since this isin't opensource and an open kernel can be dangerous. Antivirus softwares as far as I know have settled this with Microsoft already and are allowed. And I'm in the Windows folder fiddleing, even replacing a sound or two already so I don't know where you got the restrictions story from.

My experiences with Vista so far and this is the late RTM version. So Restrictionwise its not much different from XP. The difference is there are settings that let you choose to make a Vista system become very restrictive.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 28, 2006, 01:57:18 am
Oh, and not forgetting the price is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Kobi on November 28, 2006, 01:59:27 am
you don't give up do you LOL
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 28, 2006, 02:04:06 am
Windows Vista Home Basic
200 euros or 255.55$ or 135.95 pounds

Windows Vista Home Premium
400 euros or 511.10$ or 271.90 pounds

Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
500 euros or 638.88$ or 339.87 pounds

Windows Vista Business
650 euros or 830.54$ or 441.84 pounds

Windows Vista Enterprise
800 euros or 1,022.20$ or 543.80 pounds


Basic does fuck all. It's a fucking lemon, apparently it doesnt even have mspaint.. Business, you can get free serials for on the Vista site, Enterprise is the ridiculous moneymaker, and Ultimate is for the gamers, which they are fucking milking the hell out of, since they're really trying to market Vista as the next-gen gaming platform.

I will not pay £350 for a pretty interface nor will i pay £350 for all the invetable Vista-exclusive games.

That's just as bad as console-exclusive games. Microsoft are excluding themselves too much..

EDIT: all these figures are wrong, apparently it's even more expensive than this list, if anyone can find an up-to-date list, please post it here to further my point.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: bamFUnk on November 28, 2006, 03:03:37 am
I play COD2 and WoW on my mac, an WoW playes better than most if not ALL of my friends' windows.  COD2 runs like a dream as well, and thats out of the box, so suck on THAT one bizarches
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Ankle on November 28, 2006, 05:59:18 am
I prefer OS X for personal use and work. I prefer Linux and BSD for servers. I don't like Windows but I'm a PC gamer so I'm kinda stuck with it. Best solution? Get a Mac, build a PC and upgrade/replace it all the time and put a KVM on the two. Leave the Mac on 24/7 for regular use and just boot the PC and hit the switch on the KVM or shortcut keys when you want to play games. It is also nice to have a NAS with a RAID5 array for a few TB of redundant storage.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: ~futilite~ on November 28, 2006, 07:32:41 pm
I don't know too much about computers and stuff, but since my boyfriend is a geek, I now know more about it.

I like Mac OS X very much, but I don't know if it is just because my boyfreind could do so many things with it without complications. (My parents' pc with internet is a bit damaged... so I was used to complications.) (He might be able to do so many things because he is a geek and has the knowledge, and I am not...)
But my boyfriend's iBook and his father's iBook got broken quite early. I don't know if it is the fault of "iBook" or of apple/mac, so I can't say more about it.

Windows:
As I said, my parents' pc is a bit damaged... and most of you will laugh at me when I say it is Windows ME (We once had a problem with it and I asked ~ 3-4 geekfriends and they all laughed.)
My new pc with windows 2000 is very nice :)
Windows Vista...
I like the windows games :) really something for me as a kid... like baking cakes e.g.
For me there are too many things that you don't need...
Maybe I am too little comfortable, or I have learned to be a geek now.


---
Everything here has to be seen as a noob comment because I am not a computerfreak...
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on November 28, 2006, 07:36:20 pm
I've never bought an OS. I thought about buying Vista, but the prices just put me off entirely.
I'll just buy a new computer that has vista bundled, as it's generally cheaper that way.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Ausp on November 28, 2006, 07:49:05 pm
I'm giving it a month before pirated versions become available. Sorry, but £350+? Nowhere near worth it.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 28, 2006, 08:55:34 pm
I'm giving it a month before pirated versions become available. Sorry, but £350+? Nowhere near worth it.

It'll be damn near impossible to pirate Vista. :/
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on November 28, 2006, 08:59:43 pm
it'll be damn near impossible to pirate Vista. :/

They also said it'd be damn near impossible to improve on black and white films with no sound. But omgz, we now have 7.1 surround sound high definition colour flatscreen televisions.
Just wait and see. :)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Ausp on November 28, 2006, 09:27:08 pm
I'm giving it a month before pirated versions become available. Sorry, but £350+? Nowhere near worth it.

It'll be damn near impossible to pirate Vista. :/

Oh ye of little faith.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 28, 2006, 09:29:08 pm
I said damn near. I didnt say it would be in no way possible.

It'll take a long time, however; but I bet there are crackers working on it as we speak.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on November 29, 2006, 01:17:05 am
There is a sizeable population of people with lots of technical knowhow who wish to affect the population at large for no payment. The mean ones become people who create viruses. the nice ones crack games and OSes for the good of all mankind...
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 29, 2006, 03:20:10 am
There is a sizeable population of people with lots of technical knowhow who wish to affect the population at large for no payment. The mean ones become people who create viruses. the nice ones crack games and OSes for the good of all mankind...

And thus is the balance of the Earth.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: bamFUnk on November 29, 2006, 05:09:13 am
shit, yall lost me in computer talk.
you-1
me-0

i should actually make a scoreboard sometime...
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Warrior Bob on November 30, 2006, 06:35:02 am
Not to derail a perfectly good Vista thread...

I saw the title of this thread and figured I should probably mention that I'm typing this post on my PC while I have #machinaesupremacy open on IRC on my Mac right next to it.

:D
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: bamFUnk on November 30, 2006, 09:44:56 pm
huzzah
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Drakonis on November 30, 2006, 10:43:54 pm
Windows Vista Home Basic
200 euros or 255.55$ or 135.95 pounds

Windows Vista Home Premium
400 euros or 511.10$ or 271.90 pounds

Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
500 euros or 638.88$ or 339.87 pounds

Windows Vista Business
650 euros or 830.54$ or 441.84 pounds

Windows Vista Enterprise
800 euros or 1,022.20$ or 543.80 pounds

Those prices are wrong. And as per my edits below, you were incorrect that they are higher. Vista is MUCH cheaper than those prices. I've included sources (read as: Microsofts website...)

Windows Vista Home Premium, which I fully intend to buy:
Suggested retail price for full package product, $239.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $159.00 USD. (That's 180.456 EUR for the FULL package (meaning you have no previous version of windows installed on your PC). If you're upgrading to Vista, that comes to 120.047 EUR.

Where did you get those prices? They're wrong. Way wrong. I'm going to trust the Microsoft website on this one. :P

Thats less than half the cost of the list you're showing for the full package product. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/home_premium.mspx - price is at the bottom.

Theres my source, straight from Microsoft. The other editions fluctuate in price accordingly. Home Premium is what most of us would want, although Basic would operate just like XP Home Edition with advanced functionality. I want premium for Windows Aero and Media Center Interaction.

And it's worth it for either the upgrade or the full package price in my opinion.

Edit:
EDIT: all these figures are wrong, apparently it's even more expensive than this list, if anyone can find an up-to-date list, please post it here to further my point.

Wrong. Theyre MUCH cheaper. See my list below. Source is microsoft directly. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/business.mspx - this is the business page. Cycle through the different versions on the right. The price is listed on the bottom of each individual page. I compiled the complete list below.


Edit:
Basic Home
Suggested retail price for full package product, $199.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $99.95 USD.

Premium Home
Suggested retail price for full package product, $239.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $159.00 USD.

Business
Suggested retail price for full package product, $299.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $199.00 USD.

Enterprise
The Windows Vista Enterprise edition is only available to Microsoft Volume License customers, it is not available for retail purchase.

Ultimate - Take the time to read what this is. It has features that you seriously will not be using at home, lol
Suggested retail price for full package product, $399.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $259.00 USD.

Theres also Windows Vista Starter, which is supposed to help guide and teach people how to use a PC. It's got interactive tutorials on everything to help walk you through whatever. Its not going to be available in the US or Canada for that matter though, so its price isn't listed either.

Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on November 30, 2006, 10:55:30 pm
So you mean, if i buy the upgrade, that'd upgrade my XP version to Vista? For that price? Wows.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Drakonis on November 30, 2006, 10:57:06 pm
So you mean, if i buy the upgrade, that'd upgrade my XP version to Vista? For that price? Wows.

Yep.

The full package cost refers to installing Vista fresh on a machine that does NOT have XP installed on it.

The upgrade refers to upgrading an XP machine to Vista.


Those prices in my opinion are very, very reasonable.


Edit:
Oh... and the retail packages that you can buy in stores have a release date of Jan 30th 2007 I believe. Business units will be getting them in December 2006. I don't recall off the top of my head when the new PC's will start shipping with them. Its on or before Jan 30th 2007 though. That's right around the corner. The release information is also on Microsofts Vista experience website.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on November 30, 2006, 11:07:40 pm
I may wait a while before upgrading. I'm worried about old stuff not working on Vista.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 30, 2006, 11:09:33 pm
Cheers Drakonis, seems I was wrong. I just googled for the prices, but I guess that news item that I pasted those off was old..

Jan 30th? I'll be buying a new pc around then in the sales, so I'll probably pick up Vista while I'm at it :)

£82 is a bargain - I'm just hoping they dont increase the UK retail price (ala Sony with PS3)



I may wait a while before upgrading. I'm worried about old stuff not working on Vista.

Dual boot ;)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on November 30, 2006, 11:20:55 pm
Dual boot ;)

Haha, not with this PC. :P
£80 for home premium is awesome. I'm liking the 3d window preview thingy too. Endless fun!
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Drakonis on November 30, 2006, 11:31:20 pm
Cheers Drakonis, seems I was wrong. I just googled for the prices, but I guess that news item that I pasted those off was old..

Jan 30th? I'll be buying a new pc around then in the sales, so I'll probably pick up Vista while I'm at it :)

£82 is a bargain - I'm just hoping they dont increase the UK retail price (ala Sony with PS3)



I may wait a while before upgrading. I'm worried about old stuff not working on Vista.

Dual boot ;)

Heh yeah, that doesnt account for any market price difference. I dont think it'd be that extreme if at all though.

If you're buying a new PC prebuilt around that time, it'll probably come with Vista. I know Best Buy is giving away vouchers for a copy of Vista with new PC purchases (my friend got one last month and has a reciept for a free upgrade to Vista (i think he got a Premium one, but the cheaper pc's had a voucher for basic or you could pay the price difference and upgrade to premium if memory serves correctly).

In any case, you may end up with Vista.

I am curious about the compatibility but they did a considerable job with XP's compatability so I have a feeling XP programs will run fine on Vista.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on November 30, 2006, 11:36:50 pm
Which is why i may most probably wait. I wanna make sure theres no reports of certain things not working.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on November 30, 2006, 11:48:13 pm
Yeah; apparently everything XP will work on Vista - But I'll dual-boot just in case ;)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Drakonis on November 30, 2006, 11:52:54 pm
If I could still get the Vista Beta release candidate (the latest one) I'd probably go ahead and format and switch to it now to be honest. That'd give me until June to buy it, lol
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Torp v2.0 on December 01, 2006, 08:45:30 am
I won't be getting Vista until I get a new PC, which should probably be after the spring exams of 2007. So I'll get to wait until June, actually.

I do share Lysix apprehension. My laptop, which is my primary computer at the moment (and has been for over two years now), will keep the XP.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on December 01, 2006, 12:11:53 pm
Seems everyone's getting Vista around it's release date. This must be a positive thing :)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Torp v2.0 on December 01, 2006, 05:40:23 pm
Yep. Means it will be more thoroughly tested by the date I get it ;D
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on December 01, 2006, 07:15:53 pm
Yep. Means it will be more thoroughly tested by the date I get it ;D

Dont you mean the forums will be discussing it and you'll eavesdrop? ;)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: cloudstrifex on December 01, 2006, 10:35:16 pm
My friend said he was getting it. Do you think Windows will be gay and make it so only one copy can be used on one computer?
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on December 01, 2006, 10:42:40 pm
My friend said he was getting it. Do you think Windows will be gay and make it so only one copy can be used on one computer?

God forbid you'd have to pay for software yourself.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Drakonis on December 01, 2006, 10:52:10 pm
I cant think of any type of software that gladly lets you install it on as many PC's as you like.

No non-free OS has ever allowed it to my knowledge, although prevention measures may not have been as powerful as they are today.

No more can you install WoW or any other online game on multiple machines, no - you will not be able to install vista everywhere you wish =P

Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Warrior Bob on December 02, 2006, 10:40:20 am
I cant think of any type of software that gladly lets you install it on as many PC's as you like.

This company (http://forums.galciv2.com/index.aspx?forumid=161&aid=106741) is kind of famous for it now, actually.  But you're right that this sort of thing is rather in the minority.

No non-free OS has ever allowed it to my knowledge, although prevention measures may not have been as powerful as they are today.

Mac OS X has no protections against it.  You can install that thing on as many computers as you want, and it will neither try to stop you nor track you.  It is, of course, in violation of the user agreement, but there's no mechanism in place to try and stop you.

no - you will not be able to install vista everywhere you wish =P

I suspect you're right about this though :)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Crazywater on December 02, 2006, 07:07:52 pm
Stupid Vista. Its RC fucked itself up on my machine (damn I typed machinae in first place), just by rebooting. It feels kind of laggy compared to win 2k/xp. And there are sooooo many confusing icons and stuff... you won't be able to find anything at first.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Warrior Bob on December 02, 2006, 08:26:05 pm
Stupid Vista. Its RC fucked itself up on my machine (damn I typed machinae in first place), just by rebooting. It feels kind of laggy compared to win 2k/xp. And there are sooooo many confusing icons and stuff... you won't be able to find anything at first.

Don't you dare install Vista on Machinae >:(

Honestly though, that was the case when I first started using OSX... after a week or so of use, it was actually pretty intuitive, and I suspect Vista will be too.  Microsoft has an extensive team of people that test usability, so I suspect it won't be a tremendous problem.

I can't say I like Microsoft as a company but I do enjoy some of their products.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Ausp on December 02, 2006, 08:31:42 pm
Stupid Vista. Its RC fucked itself up on my machine (damn I typed machinae in first place), just by rebooting. It feels kind of laggy compared to win 2k/xp. And there are sooooo many confusing icons and stuff... you won't be able to find anything at first.
Microsoft has an extensive team of people that test usability

Yeah, they're called the general public.

Sorry...had to get that one in. Shutting up now.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Warrior Bob on December 03, 2006, 04:27:51 am
The irony there is that I believe that's more true of Apple than Microsoft.

What I think you're thinking of is using the general public as beta testers.  And in that respect, I fully agree with you :)
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Torp v2.0 on December 03, 2006, 09:48:18 pm
But honestly, with something as advanced as an operating system, you pretty much have to.

Most Linux distros have an "unstable" or "experimental" version as well, which includes newly added stuff that needs to be tested. Difference is, of course, that you can go get the former version. But that's true for Windows, too. There probably won't be much of interest that is Vista-exclusive for the first half a year to a year anyway.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: cloudstrifex on December 04, 2006, 05:03:19 am
My friend said he was getting it. Do you think Windows will be gay and make it so only one copy can be used on one computer?

God forbid you'd have to pay for software yourself.

Why pay for something when you can get it for free? I guess you've never pirated ANYTHING in your life. :P
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: L'homme magique on December 04, 2006, 06:29:41 am
Just because he points out how dumb you're being doesn't make him a hypocrite.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: cloudstrifex on December 04, 2006, 06:44:34 am
Just because he points out how dumb you're being doesn't make him a hypocrite.

I'm dumb for pirating something? Well I guess that makes most of the forumers here dumb too.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on December 04, 2006, 01:15:17 pm
you're dumb if you act as though it's your right to pirate stuff, that's all. And i don't think you actually do.

the "gay" comment doesn't help though..
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Fallout on December 04, 2006, 02:23:01 pm
you're dumb if you act as though it's your right to pirate stuff, that's all. And i don't think you actually do.

the "gay" comment doesn't help though..

lololololo ur gay

wdnows sukcs bcoz its 2 microsopht lolz but im 2 dum too werk lynux or dem makintoch fings
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: SomethingApt on December 04, 2006, 04:30:45 pm
aaaaaand back on topic we go... if you want to discuss the legitimacy of piracy, create a new thread for it. (and if i find anymore comments in this thread containing the word "gay" i'll edit your post to "I <3 SomethingApt")

 ;)

Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: CrunchyLizard on December 04, 2006, 06:03:03 pm
edit by SomethingApt: Seriously guys. not funny.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: SomethingApt on December 04, 2006, 07:03:17 pm
Since you guys are having so much trouble getting on topic, I'll give it a shot:

My vote goes to Mac, easily. I have two laptops: an ibook with osx, and a semi-decent windows laptop. The windows laptop sits in the corner of my room gathering dust.

Why? Windows is badly laid out. When I want to check my system information I have to check in lots of different places. When I want to change setting I have to work out whether I should go to the control panel, or right-click on my computer, or maybe right-click on the desktop. On OSX I just click the apple icon in the top left, and click "About This Mac" for detailed information on the os/hardware, or "System Preferences" for ALL of the settings.

Windows looks like crap. The default skins are crap, and if you change it to a custom one you just lose all usability. OSX is DAMN easy on the eyes. If you disagree then you need glasses.

OSX handles application crashes much better. If an app freezes, you you just click the apple icon in the top-left, click "Force Quit", and select the app in the list. If an app in windows crashes, you can use ctrl-alt-delete, but half the time that doesnt work, and the comp spazzes out and goes crazy, and you have to restart it (or sometimes if you just mash all the buttons on the keyboard it will randomly decide to start working)

Viruses. You don't get them in OSX, and it's fantastic. On Windows you either have a virus which kills your computer, or you're running anti-virus which slows down your computer AND regularly decides to make running perfectly fine applications a chore by giving you annoying messages about it.

Expose (with a little thingy above the e). It's a feature of OSX which allows you to push all of the open windows to the side of the screen, or just let you see every single open window side-by-side just by pressing one of the f buttons. it works like a charm and makes using your computer so much easier and swifter.

This one only applies to laptops... Mac laptops have a much better battery life than windows laptops. And closing the lid on a mac laptop puts it straight into sleep mode, which doesnt drain the battery. open the lid again, and everything is right where you left it. Close the lid on a windows laptop and it will stay running (unless you set it to hibernate, but that takes ages, regularly doesnt work, and still takes a while to load up after opening the lid again).
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on December 04, 2006, 08:19:20 pm

I'm dumb for pirating something? Well I guess that makes most of the forumers here dumb too.

No. Your whole attitude shown was a bit retarded tbh. "OMGZ! I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOFTWARE! WORLDS ENDING FFS!"


Windows looks like crap. The default skins are crap, and if you change it to a custom one you just lose all usability. OSX is DAMN easy on the eyes. If you disagree then you need glasses.

That's opinion. Granted, OSX looks great, but I've nothing against XP and Vista (though Vista has basicly copied the mac format).

OSX handles application crashes much better. If an app freezes, you you just click the apple icon in the top-left, click "Force Quit", and select the app in the list. If an app in windows crashes, you can use ctrl-alt-delete, but half the time that doesnt work, and the comp spazzes out and goes crazy, and you have to restart it (or sometimes if you just mash all the buttons on the keyboard it will randomly decide to start working)

Not really. Have you never tried clicking the processes tab and forcefully ending the program itself? Completely ends the program regardless of whether it's frozen or not.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: SomethingApt on December 04, 2006, 08:28:41 pm
Quote
Not really. Have you never tried clicking the processes tab and forcefully ending the program itself? Completely ends the program regardless of whether it's frozen or not.

1) that's assuming you can actually get to it. many times i've had a program crash on me, and it's completely killed windows to the extent that i can't actually get to the ctrl-alt-del menu.

2) even when ive managed to get to it, on many occasions ive gone to the processes tab to forcefully kill the process, just for it to hang doing nothing for a few minutes, and then eventually give me an error.

i know there's multiple ways to close down crashed programs, and generally after a bit of fiddling it can be done. but seriously... i have better things to do than spend my time trying to work out just how to make the goddamn thing work!! on the rare occasions programs crash on osx (generally shitty ports of microsoft products, go figure) im able to get them restarted and running again straight away.

:/
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Lysix on December 04, 2006, 08:32:27 pm
1) that's assuming you can actually get to it. many times i've had a program crash on me, and it's completely killed windows to the extent that i can't actually get to the ctrl-alt-del menu.

2) even when ive managed to get to it, on many occasions ive gone to the processes tab to forcefully kill the process, just for it to hang doing nothing for a few minutes, and then eventually give me an error.

:/

Weird, it's always been fine for me. :) Had some struggles sometimes when a program MAJORLY fucks up, but it seems when i ctrl+alt+delete everything suddenly kicks back into shape. I guess it's different to every computer. :P
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Ausp on December 04, 2006, 08:35:27 pm
To be fair, and it's as a Windows user at heart I say this, MacOS's biggest selling point is that it just...works. No hassle.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Warrior Bob on December 05, 2006, 12:53:26 am
To be fair, and it's as a Windows user at heart I say this, MacOS's biggest selling point is that it just...works. No hassle.

I feel this has become less and less true the more Apple embraces new and varied technologies as opposed to doing everything their own way, but I think that's okay.  I prefer having the options.

I still love my little Mac though.  It's cute.  I like it more and more the more keyboard shortcuts I learn.  Honestly I thought the Expose tricks were neat but ultimately a pain for me to use, as I switch windows very frequently and the animations drove me nuts.
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
Post by: Ankle on December 05, 2006, 04:30:44 am
edit by SomethingApt: Seriously guys. not funny.

I <3 SomethingApt  :-*
Title: Re: SPLIT: Mac vs Windows
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