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Title: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 08, 2006, 08:18:03 pm
I was just wondering why DXM is available as a free download at Last.fm (http://www.last.fm/)?!
???

(http://www.elisanet.fi/devnull/DXM_last.fm.png)

As a sidenote, I can't follow Last.fm's logic; why would anyone want to download a crap quality MP3 copy of an album they already own?

EDIT: spelling correction...
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: SomethingApt on November 08, 2006, 09:14:43 pm
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As a sidenote, I can't follow Last.fm's logic; why would anyone want to download a crap quality MP3 copy of an album they already own?

They wouldn't. But people who have never heard of machinae and find them in their recommended list would love to. that's kind of the entire point of last.fm. duh. :P

As for it being available as a free download... I dunno... whoever put it up was most likely drunk and not paying attention. :P
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 08, 2006, 09:19:43 pm
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As a sidenote, I can't follow Last.fm's logic; why would anyone want to download a crap quality MP3 copy of an album they already own?
They wouldn't. But people who have never heard of machinae and find them in their recommended list would love to. that's kind of the entire point of last.fm. duh. :P

Yes, but why are the downloads displayed in my personal recently played list? duh :P

EDIT:
DXM album page @ Last.fm with all the downloads. (http://www.last.fm/music/Machinae+Supremacy/Deus+Ex+Machinae)

I always thought that DXM could only be obtained by buying it. Has MaSu authorized the distribution or is this a major fuck up?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Smeagol on November 09, 2006, 12:11:35 am
I think that's first edition stuff, which is no longer in circulation?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 09, 2006, 12:19:51 am
I think that's first edition stuff, which is no longer in circulation?

Yes, I also think that the tracks are from the first edition, but what difference does it make? Are you implying that it's OK to distribute copies of out-of-print records?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: SomethingApt on November 09, 2006, 01:12:12 am
Yes, but why are the downloads displayed in my personal recently played list? duh :P

I regularly browse my neighbour's recently played lists. It's handy to be able to preview their music quickly.

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Has MaSu authorized the distribution or is this a major fuck up?

My guess is... Both. I wasn't joking when i said the person who put it up was most likely drunk and not paying attention :P

EDIT: yep, did a bit of searching and it seems that i was right (i thought i remembered this being discussed before): http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php/topic,1431.0.html tomas uploaded the music, so you don't need to worry about it being legit :P


Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 09, 2006, 01:31:49 am
I regularly browse my neighbour's recently played lists. It's handy to be able to preview their music quickly.

Yes it's fine to have the downloads in your neighbour's recently played list, but it silly to have them in your list.
- Hey, would you like to download the album you just listened? ::)


My guess is... Both. I wasn't joking when i said the person who put it up was most likely drunk and not paying attention :P

EDIT: yep, did a bit of searching and it seems that i was right (i thought i remembered this being discussed before): http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php/topic,1431.0.html tomas uploaded the music, so you don't need to worry about it being legit :P

But it's still weird that you can download the whole album just like that.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Zombie With Style on November 09, 2006, 02:07:02 am
Slightly off topic but why isn't Redeemer shown their as one of Mchinaes albums?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: SomethingApt on November 09, 2006, 09:54:58 am
Yes it's fine to have the downloads in your neighbour's recently played list, but it silly to have them in your list.
- Hey, would you like to download the album you just listened? ::)

*slaps head*

OK, pretend for a minute that I haven't heard of machinae supremacy. I see you on a forum, click on your last.fm page, and notice that in YOUR recently played tracks you have a lot of music by this band called machinae supremacy, and i can listen to all their songs right there. starting to make sense? You're not the only person who'll look at your lastfm user page.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Nats on November 09, 2006, 01:38:24 pm

Yes it's fine to have the downloads in your neighbour's recently played list, but it silly to have them in your list.
- Hey, would you like to download the album you just listened? ::)

It's not that simple. You could've heard the songs with the last.fm client (radio). In other words, a user who listens to the songs might not actually have them on his/her computer.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Irrationalist on November 09, 2006, 08:17:38 pm
I bought my Deus Ex, but I would have loved to have know this so I could have listen while I waited.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Smeagol on November 09, 2006, 08:41:28 pm
Are you implying that it's OK to distribute copies of out-of-print records?

Er, yes?

Ever hear of Abandonware?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Irrationalist on November 09, 2006, 08:43:20 pm
I agree, and disagree.

Software yes.

Music and art no.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 09, 2006, 08:58:41 pm
*slaps head*

OK, pretend for a minute that I haven't heard of machinae supremacy. I see you on a forum, click on your last.fm page, and notice that in YOUR recently played tracks you have a lot of music by this band called machinae supremacy, and i can listen to all their songs right there. starting to make sense? You're not the only person who'll look at your lastfm user page.

Errr... are you just joking or are you really that stupid? The other users who might be viewing my user page are not logged in as me, so it's sensible to show the downloads to them. But as I am logged in as Corelian, why would they show the downloads in Corelian's recent tracks list? ::)
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Xhu on November 09, 2006, 09:01:09 pm
Because they don't change your page based on your login? I don't see why they would. Maybe you log in on another computer?

You're really looking too much into this.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Irrationalist on November 09, 2006, 09:03:12 pm
Because they don't change your page based on your login? I don't see why they would. Maybe you log in on another computer?

You're really looking too much into this.

Oh no Intellectual Discussion !!! RUN!!!!!

Spike don't rain in on their parade

BTW: Like your new sig.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Lysix on November 09, 2006, 09:04:01 pm
Why is there such an uproar about the songs being downloadable? They're not of the best quality, and even if i heard them there first I'd want to buy the album regardless. Bitching about it isn't going to change it imo.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Xhu on November 09, 2006, 09:07:15 pm
I have a confession...I downloaded the albums before buying. To see if it was worth it. It was. =P

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BTW: Like your new sig.

Thanks. ^^
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Irrationalist on November 09, 2006, 09:14:12 pm
I have a confession...I downloaded the albums before buying. To see if it was worth it. It was. =P

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BTW: Like your new sig.

Thanks. ^^

I know, so did I. Torrents are our friends.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 09, 2006, 09:21:16 pm
Are you implying that it's OK to distribute copies of out-of-print records?

Er, yes?

Ever hear of Abandonware?

Do you have some reference to back up your claim? Abandonware doesn't mean out-of-print software.

Because they don't change your page based on your login? I don't see why they would.

But they already do change the page based on one's login, dammit!
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: mumppis on November 09, 2006, 09:44:13 pm
Are you implying that it's OK to distribute copies of out-of-print records?

Er, yes?

Ever hear of Abandonware?

Do you have some reference to back up your claim? Abandonware doesn't mean out-of-print software.

Because they don't change your page based on your login? I don't see why they would.

But they already do change the page based on one's login, dammit!

abandoware doesnt include music
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 09, 2006, 10:06:07 pm
abandoware doesnt include music

So, you're also implying that out-of-print records are free to distribute? Man, I'd like to get my hands on Frusciante's Smile from the Streets You Hold or some of the earlier Thelonious Monster albums - but guess what? Those records are copyrighted and the only people allowed to legally distribute them are the copyright holders. Too bad.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Xhu on November 09, 2006, 10:08:21 pm
Erm...he said it doesn't include music? I've not looked into this at all, but it seems to be that means he agrees with you?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 09, 2006, 10:16:44 pm
Erm...he said it doesn't include music? I've not looked into this at all, but it seems to be that means he agrees with you?

Well, he could have stated that more clearly. Actually after reading mumppis' post for the 100th time, I really can't fathom the logic behind the comment. At first I had the feeling that he was agreeing with Fiindil. Maybe I'm just tired...
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: cloudstrifex on November 09, 2006, 11:35:09 pm
Erm...he said it doesn't include music? I've not looked into this at all, but it seems to be that means he agrees with you?

Well, he could have stated that more clearly. Actually after reading mumppis' post for the 100th time, I really can't fathom the logic behind the comment. At first I had the feeling that he was agreeing with Fiindil. Maybe I'm just tired...

You are making way too big a deal, and yes, mumppis was agreeing with you. If MASU'S OWN BAND MEMBER uploaded it I'm pretttty sure no one cares id an out-of-print album is sold.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 09, 2006, 11:40:04 pm
You are making way too big a deal, and yes, mumppis was agreeing with you.

Sorry, my bad. I misunderstood mumppis' comment.

If MASU'S OWN BAND MEMBER uploaded it I'm pretttty sure no one cares id an out-of-print album is sold.

That sentence didn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Smeagol on November 09, 2006, 11:46:53 pm
So, you're also implying that out-of-print records are free to distribute? Man, I'd like to get my hands on Frusciante's Smile from the Streets You Hold or some of the earlier Thelonious Monster albums - but guess what? Those records are copyrighted and the only people allowed to legally distribute them are the copyright holders. Too bad.

Who gives a fuck about the legality of the issue? They are out of print, and if they are not in the public domain, they should bloody well be.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: cloudstrifex on November 09, 2006, 11:50:59 pm
You are making way too big a deal, and yes, mumppis was agreeing with you.

Sorry, my bad. I misunderstood mumppis' comment.

If MASU'S OWN BAND MEMBER uploaded it I'm pretttty sure no one cares id an out-of-print album is sold.

That sentence didn't make any sense.

Holy shit one letter pretty much just ruined the meaning of the post. Okay I'll walk you through this then. You see where I said 'id'? Ok now replace the 'd' with and 'f' in your head, or write it on a piece of paper if need be. Then read through the sentence and try and make some sense out of it. Now.......do you get my point?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Corelian on November 10, 2006, 12:09:41 am
Who gives a fuck about the legality of the issue? They are out of print, and if they are not in the public domain, they should bloody well be.

Well, for example I do. I rather not have those records than obtain them in illegal manner.

I humbly apologize for trying to uphold intelligent conversation.

Holy shit one letter pretty much just ruined the meaning of the post. Okay I'll walk you through this then. You see where I said 'id'? Ok now replace the 'd' with and 'f' in your head, or write it on a piece of paper if need be. Then read through the sentence and try and make some sense out of it. Now.......do you get my point?

No, it still doesn't make sense. Besides pretttty isn't a word in English either.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Lysix on November 10, 2006, 12:29:37 am
This thread seriously fails.
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: SomethingApt on November 10, 2006, 01:06:16 am
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Man, I'd like to get my hands on Frusciante's Smile from the Streets You Hold or some of the earlier Thelonious Monster albums - but guess what? Those records are copyrighted and the only people allowed to legally distribute them are the copyright holders. Too bad.

deus ex machinae was uploaded to last.fm BY A BANDMEMBER, so the copyright holders ARE distributing it. it's all legal. what point are you actually trying to make?

I think this thread needs lockaging, the original questions have been answered and now it's just turned into an annoying flame war for no apparent reason...
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: Zombie With Style on November 10, 2006, 01:47:08 am
Slightly off topic but why isn't Redeemer shown their as one of Mchinaes albums?
Title: Re: Deus Ex Machinae download @ Last.fm
Post by: cloudstrifex on November 10, 2006, 02:19:27 am
This thread seriously fails.

Yeah seriously. I guess Corelian can't read or something.