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Title: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: evilcandybag on November 08, 2006, 07:44:18 pm
In the Video Game Annoyances thread, a couple of posts were made about the depiction of men and women in games. Since there is so much to discuss on this topic, I decided it deserves a thread of its own (instead of hijacking another thread).

Before we start, I'd like to ask you to post neither the usual "Macho men and busty women all the time sucks" (most of us know it does already), nor the other usual rant "I liek bewbs lol". Thank You.

I'll start this out with a statement: most "manly" male protagonists in games today fail at being manly. The most manly character out there today is Gordon Freeman. Why? A truly manly man never ever claims to be manly, neither directly, nor through his attitude. Gordon does neither of this.
A lot of heroes don't want to save the world (or whatever), but end up doing so anyways. There is often a lot of complaining involved. Gordon does not want to save the world, but he does, and he doesn't complain about it. He does it in a way similar to when I do my laundry. It's a drag, but it needs to be done.

Look at this picture:
(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/1252/gordonfreemanhm1.jpg)

Gordon is neither angry nor full of "eat this mothafucka" attitude, he only hacks away at the monsters because it's what needs to be done. His facial expression is that of a man whose car breaks down on his way home to his comfy chair, TV/book and glass of Islay Whiskey. He's tired and wants to go home, but can't.

That's why he is no.1 on my Manly Heroes-list.

Comments? Insights and thoughts about other characters worthy of note in this context?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Lysix on November 08, 2006, 08:11:29 pm
I think the whole subject is over-rated, tbh. Exagerated character builds and the such are expected in video games, where reality is purposefully altered to deliver an experience we enjoy anyway.
You have to remember the majority playerbase for such games are nerds, who get turned on by pixel girls with big breasts in video games (DoA anyone?). Sometimes, boobs make trademarks on characters as well. If i asked everyone i knew to say what instantly came to their head when i mentioned Tifa from FF7, i'd most certainly get "her big boobs!".

I reckon Gordon was designed as he is for the skinny geeks to think "hey! i can be a hero too!".
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Bearfoot on November 08, 2006, 08:12:59 pm
I think that the views you've expressed are pretty much right on.  Gordon isn't a military man, and that's why he has appeal to me and why, I think, he's a hero on the Halfie world.

Now let's take a look at the other end of the spectrum shall we?

(http://www.sfondideldesktop.com/Images-Games/Duke-Nukem/Duke-Nukem-0001/Duke-Nukem-0001.jpg)

Of course, in all fairness, Duke has always been a parody of the Macho hero steriotype, which is why I find it intresting ot bring up here.  He's delibrately over the top and extreme. 

The question that that raises, of course, is which is more fun and desirable to play?

Gordon is an everyman who rose to prominice while Duke is a spoof.  Both of them were fun to play IMHO but Gordon wins hands down for making me beleive that I could save the world and actually be him.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 08, 2006, 08:22:59 pm
Nukem is funny.

I agree with Candy bag with his comments on Freeman which is why I love all Half-Life games and there expansions!
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Drakonis on November 08, 2006, 09:28:24 pm
I think Freeman is an excellent hero because theres a level of mystery behind him. You really do feel like you're becoming him when you play.

I love cinematics, but games that your character is constantly making his own emotion that may or may not make sense to the gamer in my opinion seperates you from your character. You often feel his choices become so complex that you don't agree with them. Alot of heavy cinematic games have this effect.

I think my all time favorite hero, regardless of the popularity of the game or the game itself, is still the Master Chief. He doesn't say alot, when he does its either funny or important. But you still feel like you're the emotion behind him. The character is very open and mysterious and as you play (half because of the game design itself and the quietness of the character) it fits, it works, and you really connect to him.

Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: L'homme magique on November 08, 2006, 09:53:43 pm
SHODAN is a whole lotta woman.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Gravehill on November 08, 2006, 11:19:50 pm
This was highlight of my perverted youth:

http://www.angelfire.com/anime5/gravehill/barbarian2_1_jaquette.jpg

Just check out the hairdo also, by the way!
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Jack Lupino on November 08, 2006, 11:34:00 pm
Cockblocked.


The link that is.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Lysix on November 08, 2006, 11:34:34 pm
This was highlight of my perverted youth:

http://www.angelfire.com/anime5/gravehill/barbarian2_1_jaquette.jpg

Just check out the hairdo also, by the way!

You of all people should know linking directly to angelfire images makes baby jesus cry.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Bearfoot on November 09, 2006, 02:10:49 am
Interesting historical footnote.

laura croft was orginally supposed to be a near direct ripoff of Indiana Jones.. but one of the art directors got tired fo staring at a guy's ass.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Gravehill on November 09, 2006, 03:04:31 am
OK... Just try Google image seek with this text:

http://images.google.fi/images?q=barbarian2_1_jaquette.jpg&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wi

About Angelfire : now I finally remember why I abandoned it!
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Einkoro on November 09, 2006, 04:17:19 am
SHODAN is a whole lotta woman.

I'd hit it.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Trezker on November 09, 2006, 07:09:04 am
I think this picture needs to be in the thread.
(http://www.gamemind.at/uploads/Bilder/The_Great_Gianna_Sisters_1.gif)
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 09, 2006, 02:39:52 pm
Gman>Gordon in the manliness department.

What's more manly than being able to bend time?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Bearfoot on November 09, 2006, 04:54:35 pm
Gman>Gordon in the manliness department.

What's more manly than being able to bend time?

Freeing the whole f'n planet from alien invasion, maybe?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Xhu on November 09, 2006, 08:15:02 pm
Any old hero can free Earth from invasion. A REAL man would conquer the aliens' planet in retaliation.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 09, 2006, 08:22:36 pm
Any old hero can free Earth from invasion. A REAL man would conquer the aliens' planet in retaliation.

So Master Chief wins! He killed the mutherfuckin High Charity via the Flood!

Gman is the shit I must admit (I wannas know more bout him!) but I'l stick with the awesome man I know, Freeman.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: evilcandybag on November 10, 2006, 02:27:41 pm
Gman>Gordon in the manliness department.

What's more manly than being able to bend time?

Superpowers have nothing to do with manliness. Manliness is all about how you approach an issue and how you use the tools at hand.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 11, 2006, 02:50:10 am
Gman>Gordon in the manliness department.

What's more manly than being able to bend time?

Superpowers have nothing to do with manliness. Manliness is all about how you approach an issue and how you use the tools at hand.

Gman uses Gordon as a tool. Gordon is manly. Therefore, Gman is manlier for being able to use him.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: evilcandybag on November 11, 2006, 02:11:40 pm
Gman>Gordon in the manliness department.

What's more manly than being able to bend time?

Superpowers have nothing to do with manliness. Manliness is all about how you approach an issue and how you use the tools at hand.

Gman uses Gordon as a tool. Gordon is manly. Therefore, Gman is manlier for being able to use him.

It is true that Gman has Gordon in his toolset, but I believe you missed the keyword, 'how'. It doesn't matter how big the toolbox is (and Gman's certainly is bigger), but how you use the tools you have.

And yes, before anyone else says it, the words toolbox and tools can easily be replaced by 'penis'.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 11, 2006, 05:29:48 pm
In that case, Gman has a bigger penis, hence, he wins.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Bearfoot on November 12, 2006, 08:50:46 pm
And in the end, isn't that what ist' all about?

No pun intended.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 13, 2006, 06:01:06 am
And in the end, isn't that what ist' all about?

No pun intended.
I lol'd so hard.

No a midget with a two foot penis isn't more a man than Freeman, just a freak.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 13, 2006, 04:56:38 pm
The Ultimate Man of Manliness is Duke Nukem. This is a fact, not an opinion.

I also feel that old heroes like The Nameless Space Marine and BJ Blakowicz deserve a mention.

A man who tangents the Awesomeness of Duke is Kane. Completely insane, yes, but awesome none-the-less.

Master Chief does not win. He looks much like a Nameless Space Marine clone, and so all awesomeness he has is distributed to him. Gordon Freeman is a good contestant, though.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 13, 2006, 08:40:14 pm
I call the "nameless space marine" simply the Doom Guy, that way non-ID fans (though unwise they may be) can understand wat you are referring to.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Outboundlight on November 13, 2006, 11:17:14 pm
Ultimate in manliness is the Space Marine sargeant from the Dawn of War intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWnuxLbc34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWnuxLbc34)

1) he charges even though he has the defencive position
2) He shoots an ork in the face point blank then guts another in one swift move
3) Once he gets blown up, he runs up a hill in power armour that has lost its power supply (so he is carrying the full weight) jsut to stick his flag on the hill to show what a bad ass he is.

Emperor bless that man.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: cloudstrifex on November 13, 2006, 11:20:20 pm
James Bond is pretty manly, he gets laid in like every movie/game. :P
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Xhu on November 13, 2006, 11:43:37 pm
Ultimate in manliness is the Space Marine sargeant from the Dawn of War intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWnuxLbc34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWnuxLbc34)

1) he charges even though he has the defencive position
2) He shoots an ork in the face point blank then guts another in one swift move
3) Once he gets blown up, he runs up a hill in power armour that has lost its power supply (so he is carrying the full weight) jsut to stick his flag on the hill to show what a bad ass he is.

Emperor bless that man.

He does however die.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Lexx on November 13, 2006, 11:59:08 pm
Master Chief vs. Samus Aran. Samus wins. Discuss.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Lysix on November 14, 2006, 12:03:14 am
Master Chief vs. Samus Aran. Samus wins. Discuss.

Wins what, exactly? ;)
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: cloudstrifex on November 14, 2006, 12:04:10 am
Master Chief vs. Samus Aran. Samus wins. Discuss.

Wins what, exactly? ;)

e-penis size of course!
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Outboundlight on November 14, 2006, 12:12:58 am
Ultimate in manliness is the Space Marine sargeant from the Dawn of War intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWnuxLbc34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWnuxLbc34)

1) he charges even though he has the defencive position
2) He shoots an ork in the face point blank then guts another in one swift move
3) Once he gets blown up, he runs up a hill in power armour that has lost its power supply (so he is carrying the full weight) jsut to stick his flag on the hill to show what a bad ass he is.

Emperor bless that man.

He does however die.

In the manliest way possible!
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on November 14, 2006, 02:30:37 am
planting a flag is so amazingly UNmanly. I mean, i guess in a game where that sort of thing matters it might help but all it really means is that you sacrificed yourself so that a bit of fabric could be planted in some dirt for what will inevitably be very little time before the enemy just takes it down again. IF you're going to plant a flag, at least get someone to take a putlitzer-prize winning photograph of it or do it on the moon or something.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Gravehill on November 14, 2006, 02:51:36 am
Flag is the symbol and army needs symbols. That's why there's uniforms too. They represent everything that soldier stands for, fights for, dies for. No soldier wants to bring shame on their uniform nor their flag. That's why it's important that manly man carried that flag to position where it stands proudly and shines it's everlasting glory to both friendly and enemy troops. Encouraging hearts of fellow soldiers when they are in need for example, striking fear to the ungodly hordes of enemy. If enemy wants that flag they are gonna fight and die for it. They have to build bridge from their own corpses to that flag. I say that he was manly, really manly. Being manly means often being stupid, even more so when word "honor" comes around. But manliness is more than pure heroism.

My vote goes for Duke Nukem. He got big guns, bigger guns and just insane guns. He could make his foes smaller too and crush them under his boots like ants. That's some manliness! He was man of few words and they all were very macho. He was ladies man and encouraged them to ("shake it, baby!") and always had dollar or two for poor bargirls. And when I think about that when he did nice goal-kick of enemy head after using it as... Well... He was just so manly man that I've never ever met such manliness before nor after.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Jack Lupino on November 14, 2006, 03:05:43 am
The more penises you have on your uniform, the higher you are.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 14, 2006, 03:15:49 am
IMMA RIP YOUR HEAD OFF AND SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK.

Ok, I changed my vote to Duke Nukem. ;D
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 14, 2006, 05:55:04 pm
Master Chief vs. Samus Aran. Samus wins. Discuss.

Wins what, exactly? ;)

The bigger boobs prize.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: harvey danger on November 14, 2006, 06:44:43 pm
Master Chief vs. Samus Aran. Samus wins. Discuss.

Wins what, exactly? ;)

The bigger boobs prize.

Boobs alllways win.

Manliest game character, to me? Barrett from FFVII. Bad-ass AND loved his daughter, more than anything. That's a man.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: WereVolvo on November 14, 2006, 07:02:28 pm
We need a poll on the manliest characters of all times in games, methinks.

So far, the candidates are:

Gordon Freeman
Duke Nukem
Nameless Marine / Doom Guy
Master Chief
Kane
Space Marine from DoW intro
James Bond

More?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 14, 2006, 07:21:38 pm
I did mention BJ Blazkowicz...

Postal Dude is pretty hard as well.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Xhu on November 14, 2006, 07:25:30 pm
Auron, from final fantasty X. He was a badass for years after his death. That's gotta be worthy of something.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 14, 2006, 08:52:20 pm
Anyone from FF can't be considered for application, as they don't exude the Badass Aura.

Anyways James Bond is a pansy and should be taken off, though he gets women he changes age and faces too frequently to be considered a man, that is more of a woman thing.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Gravehill on November 14, 2006, 09:20:53 pm
I did mention BJ Blazkowicz...

Postal Dude is pretty hard as well.
That S/M outfit really was.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: gaijin on November 14, 2006, 09:33:18 pm
How 'bout Voldo from soul calibur II, that's a manly outfit?!
*goes to hide*
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 14, 2006, 09:36:15 pm
I did mention BJ Blazkowicz...

Postal Dude is pretty hard as well.
That S/M outfit really was.

S/M FTW?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Trezker on November 14, 2006, 09:57:24 pm
How 'bout Voldo from soul calibur II, that's a manly outfit?!
*goes to hide*
*twitch*

Soul Calibur has been played to death in school, and everytime someone picks Voldo you can hear spiteful comments and general sounds of agony in the audience.

(http://www.n-sider.com/media/hearts15voldo.jpg)
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 14, 2006, 11:41:02 pm
Anyways James Bond is a pansy and should be taken off, though he gets women he changes age and faces too frequently to be considered a man, that is more of a woman thing.

Bond is obviously a Metrosexual, and in nooo way are they manly. They're wusses.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: cloudstrifex on November 14, 2006, 11:45:56 pm
I think they're pretty manly.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 15, 2006, 01:01:18 am
Metrosexuals can be manly to. Being manly has nothing to do with whether one's metrosexual or not.

James Bond is manly, even if he's a pretty boy aristocrat.

Aristocrats, of the good old right sort, are manly too, but I can't think of any that are in video games.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: cloudstrifex on November 15, 2006, 01:11:34 am
James Bond is manly because he was in Goldeneye for N64, which is reason enough.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Einkoro on November 15, 2006, 04:31:06 am
We need a poll on the manliest characters of all times in games, methinks.

So far, the candidates are:

Gordon Freeman
Duke Nukem
Nameless Marine / Doom Guy
Master Chief
Kane
Space Marine from DoW intro
James Bond

More?

Including Kane destroys the competition because there is no competition. No one can compete with the messiah.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: harvey danger on November 15, 2006, 04:57:59 am
We need a poll on the manliest characters of all times in games, methinks.

So far, the candidates are:

Gordon Freeman
Duke Nukem
Nameless Marine / Doom Guy
Master Chief
Kane
Space Marine from DoW intro
James Bond

More?

Including Kane destroys the competition because there is no competition. No one can compete with the messiah.

... what about James Earl Jones? He's pretty neat.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: SomethingApt on November 15, 2006, 09:40:02 am
same fisher is pretty damn manly, and whatshisname in dead rising.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 15, 2006, 10:15:53 am
We need a poll on the manliest characters of all times in games, methinks.

So far, the candidates are:

Gordon Freeman
Duke Nukem
Nameless Marine / Doom Guy
Master Chief
Kane
Space Marine from DoW intro
James Bond

More?

Including Kane destroys the competition because there is no competition. No one can compete with the messiah.

Well, I'm still thinking Duke can beat him in pure manliness, but if the competition was coolest game character ever, well, there's not much competition.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 15, 2006, 01:01:26 pm
Oh shi-

Dont forget to add Solid Snake. He's awesome. He has this ubermanly croaky voice, you just know hes gonna wack out and kill some random people at any second.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Drakonis on November 15, 2006, 05:08:59 pm
After playing Gears of War, my top nominations are:

Marcus Fenix & Dom (The other main hero from Gears of War, anyone that picks up their shot up comrade and says "Walk it off pussy!" is a man)


And given thought about the Halo thing, there is a character more manly than the master chief in halo. Sgt Johnson.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 15, 2006, 06:21:42 pm
same fisher is pretty damn manly, and whatshisname in dead rising.

its Sam Fisher, and the dead Rising guys is Frank West, both manly, unlike Bond.....
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 15, 2006, 07:16:07 pm
Nothing manly about beating a zombie to death with an oversized lipstick prop.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Cerapter on November 15, 2006, 07:35:56 pm
What about Serious Sam?

How 'bout Voldo from soul calibur II, that's a manly outfit?!
*goes to hide*
I had a teacher we called Voldo, because he was so sneaky.

Master Chief vs. Samus Aran. Samus wins. Discuss.

Wins what, exactly? ;)
She gets to stick it in his pooper.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: SomethingApt on November 15, 2006, 08:40:18 pm
same fisher is pretty damn manly, and whatshisname in dead rising.

its Sam Fisher, and the dead Rising guys is Frank West, both manly, unlike Bond.....

yeah i know its sam, i was tired (had just woken up) and my hands didnt do what they were told :P
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 15, 2006, 08:45:51 pm
Excuses...

I've never played Serious Sam, I'm afraid, but I have played most of the Sam Fisher games. While the games are very cool, Sam Fisher himself is not actually that cool a character. He lacks, I feel, something special. He's just a sneaky deadly guy. So Serious would beat Fisher in the Macho Sam subdivision.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Trezker on November 15, 2006, 09:45:43 pm
Damn, there sure are lots of purple stars around here...

Very manly, indeed.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 15, 2006, 11:01:21 pm
Damn, there sure are lots of purple stars around here...

Very manly, indeed.

lol, that was what I was thinkin.

Anyways the Doom guy is the best HANDS DOWN.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Gravehill on November 16, 2006, 01:08:54 am
What about Mr 47 from Hitman-series? I think he is quite manly in a cold sterile way - way better than Bonds and others. Genetically engineered perfect (male)killer.

EDIT : Personally I still prefer Duke Nukem - being manly man is not being cold or sterile. It's all about being hot and messy. But because whole term "manly" is subjective someone might find tight, bald and efficient worker in industry of death manly... Like some angel of death or something.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 17, 2006, 10:19:29 am
naw nukem is a joke, and the hitman only does just that 'hittin'

Doom guy is the shit, he took on hell itself.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: evilcandybag on November 17, 2006, 12:04:56 pm
I agree that doomguy is way more manly than Nukem and 47. He's taking on all hell by himself and doesn't stop to either complain or brag about it.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 17, 2006, 03:17:50 pm
That is a very good point.

I think we just found the winner.

I mean, yes, Duke kills off an entire advanced alien race, and looks good doing so. Mr. 47 is a stone-cold killer with just enough of a nice streak to become very manly. Gordon Freeman saves the world, silently and without complaint.

But The Nameless Spacemarine wades through Hell itself, slaughtering daemons left and right, to protect our beloved earth, uttering nothing but grunts of pain as he is hit by waves and waves of bullets and hellfire.

And from how he looks, I'm sure he's a descendant of Blazkowicz.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: SweZor on November 18, 2006, 01:26:41 am
I nominate Sergeant Johnson (the black guy) in Halo/Halo 2.

Hearing him go "Get up so I can shoot you again!" after headshotting someone while sitting on the tread of a tank tearing through Assault of the Control room is just plain awsome ^^
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: CrunchyLizard on November 18, 2006, 12:40:17 pm
I vote for The Nameless Space Marine as well. Torp's description of him makes it clear to me that he really is the one who deserves to win.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 18, 2006, 05:05:05 pm
His name's "doomguy" because thats what the sprite was named in Doom. :)
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 18, 2006, 05:25:38 pm
The Nameless Space Marine sounds cooler, though...
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: CrunchyLizard on November 18, 2006, 05:33:34 pm
"Doomguy The Nameless Space Marine" then :P
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: SweZor on November 18, 2006, 05:36:17 pm
It's kind of hard to decide who the most manly game character is, since it's pretty hard to define Manly in a way that everyone would agree to, therefor i've made a short list:

Macho-ness: Duke Nukem
General Awsomeness: Kane (C&C)
Most Human: Gordon Freeman. (Half Life)

My vote goes for Master Cheif (Halo) though, since he's always business, and is just generally cool.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: NeoSpy on November 18, 2006, 05:43:41 pm
(http://www.soundblaster.com/contests/Tron2/images/main_gfx.jpg)
This guy just got digitilized from his warmy human flesh to cold bits and binary code from one moment to another, and started running, jumping and managing with almost perfection a disc in a world that he just probably only know in his dreams.
He got to drive some kind of light-speed motorcycle, beating "people" who was literally made for do that without practice.
Algo, he were obligated to use a flash-bomb-suit all the time, save his father who just stay in a site all the time, stop an invasion worst than any alien could do, and carry a name that sounds like a drug in other games (fallout) and a sonic speed plane
What can be better than a hero like Jethro?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 18, 2006, 06:01:32 pm
But Master Chief just looks so...wannabe-Doomguy. He got more angles on his armour, but he still reminds me of the Nameless Space Marine.

And besides, the Hell vs. Aliens discussion was just taken (well, it was stated that killing off half of Hell was a greater achievement than killing off an alien race).

I do like your subcategories, but I don't think Freeman is the most human game character I've seen. He does have the same grim determination as Doomguy, though, so he ranks high up on the main list.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: harvey danger on November 18, 2006, 10:09:25 pm
I think Max Payne would take it for "most human".
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 18, 2006, 10:11:51 pm
I think I could agree to that.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 18, 2006, 10:43:49 pm
Max Payne isnt human at all.. hes.. superhuman. He can fucking slow down time, that's not very human now is it?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Torp v2.0 on November 18, 2006, 10:46:28 pm
Well, actually, it is. Haven't you ever slipped? While only a fraction of a second passes from you fall to you land palms first on the asphalt, it feels like eternity. See. We too can slow down time.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: harvey danger on November 19, 2006, 12:16:01 am
Max Payne isnt human at all.. hes.. superhuman. He can fucking slow down time, that's not very human now is it?
Well, actually, it is. Haven't you ever slipped? While only a fraction of a second passes from you fall to you land palms first on the asphalt, it feels like eternity. See. We too can slow down time.

It's not as if he slows down the world around him. He's just moving faster than he normally would. Adrenaline does that to people.

And we're talking personality-wise, aren't we?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Gravehill on November 19, 2006, 12:43:32 am
I'm not entirely sure about whether Nameless Space Marine's deed going through hell is worth Duke Nukem's work. I mean, Doom's hell was kinda lame, don't you think? There really was no torture or pain, no people being burned or tortured alive, eaten alive or ripped apart in good old hell-way. In DN3D aliens brought hell on earth. They imprisoned people, ate them alive and they did all sorts of other evil things too. They even hanged nun and that's real sign of hell if any! And if I remember correctly, there was halfeaten space marine at one closet... Signs of torture and pain, indeed! In Doom there was only doomguy and zillions of nasty demons who tried to kill doomguy fast. But in DN3D there were women pleading "kill me...". DN3D's earth seemed more abysmal and hell-like than Doom's "hell", IMO.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Outboundlight on November 19, 2006, 06:55:24 pm
I agree that doomguy is way more manly than Nukem and 47. He's taking on all hell by himself and doesn't stop to either complain or brag about it.

Has anyone ever read the Doom comic?

It's awesome, the Doom Guy narrates pretty much everything he's doing in a hilarious fashion. hilarious, but perhaps it lessens his manliness...
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: CrunchyLizard on November 19, 2006, 07:11:54 pm
Has anyone ever read the Doom comic?

Err, I've read the Doom novels, does that count?
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Xhu on November 19, 2006, 08:53:57 pm
I'm not entirely sure about whether Nameless Space Marine's deed going through hell is worth Duke Nukem's work. I mean, Doom's hell was kinda lame, don't you think? There really was no torture or pain, no people being burned or tortured alive, eaten alive or ripped apart in good old hell-way. In DN3D aliens brought hell on earth. They imprisoned people, ate them alive and they did all sorts of other evil things too. They even hanged nun and that's real sign of hell if any! And if I remember correctly, there was halfeaten space marine at one closet... Signs of torture and pain, indeed! In Doom there was only doomguy and zillions of nasty demons who tried to kill doomguy fast. But in DN3D there were women pleading "kill me...". DN3D's earth seemed more abysmal and hell-like than Doom's "hell", IMO.

Ever pay attention to the levels in doom? Heads on pikes, bloody corpses, etc. Maybe not as many, but that's only because most of the remains were probably eaten or something. =P
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: evilcandybag on November 19, 2006, 09:48:46 pm
I'm not entirely sure about whether Nameless Space Marine's deed going through hell is worth Duke Nukem's work. I mean, Doom's hell was kinda lame, don't you think? There really was no torture or pain, no people being burned or tortured alive, eaten alive or ripped apart in good old hell-way. In DN3D aliens brought hell on earth. They imprisoned people, ate them alive and they did all sorts of other evil things too. They even hanged nun and that's real sign of hell if any! And if I remember correctly, there was halfeaten space marine at one closet... Signs of torture and pain, indeed! In Doom there was only doomguy and zillions of nasty demons who tried to kill doomguy fast. But in DN3D there were women pleading "kill me...". DN3D's earth seemed more abysmal and hell-like than Doom's "hell", IMO.

Ever pay attention to the levels in doom? Heads on pikes, bloody corpses, etc. Maybe not as many, but that's only because most of the remains were probably eaten or something. =P

Not to mention the twitcing guys hanging in chains, torn in half. And the whole rooms made of meat and blood, with walls made of tortured souls...
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Gravehill on November 20, 2006, 12:00:48 am
Now that you mentioned I remember seeing heads on sticks, yeah. From those other details I cannot recall... First when I read them I could only thought some similar scenes from Quake. That's probably due my poor memory, freshest memories stays on top while elders kinda get buried under them. I'm sure that you remember it better than me and so I have to admit that those sceneries definetly sound like a hell. My apologies.

/me  kicks himself on ass for forgetting what's Doom's hell really looks like
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: L'homme magique on November 20, 2006, 12:27:58 am
Quote
It's awesome, the Doom Guy narrates pretty much everything he's doing in a hilarious fashion. hilarious, but perhaps it lessens his manliness...
YOU'RE HUGE! THAT MEANS YOU HAVE HUGE GUTS!

RIP AND TEAR RIP AND TEAR

I LIKE WHAT I SEE. AN IMPORTANT LOOKING DOOR! *UNF* *UNF*
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 20, 2006, 12:32:38 am
hahahaha ;D

Yeah, I remember that Doom comic.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Irrationalist on November 23, 2006, 07:33:54 am
hahahaha ;D

Yeah, I remember that Doom comic.

lol.
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Xhu on November 23, 2006, 10:15:33 pm
For all who wish to see. (http://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/comic.php)
Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Fallout on November 24, 2006, 02:18:04 am
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Title: Re: (Wo-)Manliness in games
Post by: Drakonis on December 05, 2006, 04:36:39 pm
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15442&type=wmv

Contest is now officially over, Chief wins. :P