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Title: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 05:27:00 pm
as the topic says!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 05:27:35 pm
Yes... Website updated... So... Your thoughts on this, peeps? Let us know.

We personally feel that this is a very good thing.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 05:28:00 pm
rawks!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: K21Nova on September 27, 2006, 05:29:35 pm
Awesome.  :-*
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 05:30:57 pm
Has to be a prank.

Spinefarm website says nothing about this and the text on the main page seems fairly sardonic.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Draga on September 27, 2006, 05:33:20 pm
Yeah! MaSu keep on r0x1ng the world!!! I know you're the only band which can do it!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 05:37:02 pm
Has to be a prank.

Spinefarm website says nothing about this and the text on the main page seems fairly sardonic.

it's true. the spinefarm site will have the news today or tomororw :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Gazus on September 27, 2006, 05:42:16 pm
That's a great news. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 05:46:05 pm
If this is true, then I have one thing to say.

Way to sell out

http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/search.asp (http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/search.asp)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Sansebastian on September 27, 2006, 05:48:05 pm
This is fucking great!! :D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Ratti on September 27, 2006, 05:49:04 pm
great label, i'm glad you got a deal. now we can honestly hope for something like a tour and maybe even *gasp* shows outside of scandinavia!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 05:54:00 pm
If this is true, I'm not amused  >:(

"Recording Industry Assholes of America" - and now Spinefarm Records?

By the way, the old website looked much better and I hate the drums and the cover of the rerecorded Redeemer thingy.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 05:56:46 pm
well everyone cant be pleased the band has said that they support filesharing etc... and it doesnt matter in things like that. The band will be heard now by much bigger audience and they can spread the word much more godly way now :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: evilcandybag on September 27, 2006, 06:01:25 pm
The Spinefarm version of Redeemer is still inferior to the Underground Edition, and I really hope the band will continue to release underground editions of all their new CDs (while this could be seen as a very evil way to make money by having hardcore fans buy two only slightly different records, I just think it's cool).
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Raiden on September 27, 2006, 06:04:09 pm
Congratulations! Once again :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on September 27, 2006, 06:04:37 pm
Mixed feelings. I live in the US and know all about the Recording Industry Assholes of America, but the ability to see them play in the US someday, and be able ti buy their albums here would $#@!@#! blow my mind !!!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 06:10:12 pm
well everyone cant be pleased the band has said that they support filesharing etc... and it doesnt matter in things like that. The band will be heard now by much bigger audience and they can spread the word much more godly way now :)
fuck it, just look at the organization of the Website now:
It's just like every band website, the downloads (which made MaSu famous) are not important anymore and are hidden away in some "archive", and it is way too commercialized: The Shop is everywhere (top bar, news, releases, hell, even in "pictures").

Unfortunately, money is everything this world is about.  :(
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: leicesterfox on September 27, 2006, 06:38:00 pm
Quite frankly, I was a great fan of the original website of days gone by.
It had all the aspects that MaSu were about, the characatures, the feel and look.

Another is also the text used on the original and also on the DXM CD. That should be a trademark text for the guys.

In terms with a record deal, it is always great to go big in a way.
At least it is not under the parent company.
There is a reason why these smaller record labels are there.

Taking for instance M83, their label is GOOOM, a subsidary of EMI and with no major commercial look or feel to it at all.

So maybe its not so bad after all
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 06:41:33 pm
I'd love to hear from the band what they personally expect from this deal. If robert thinks "that this is a very good thing", there must be a reason.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 06:44:14 pm
Let me provide you with some perspective...

We've been pushing along on our own for 6 years now... We've done all the work, all the time, and we've still to reach outside the net. We haven't made any money (except a little that we've used to pay rehearsal room rent, some gear etc... No private money has been earned, ever), but that's ok, because we've had fun..

We have played in two countries except our own, and on top of that Machinae Supremacy gigs are rare. When we've contacted festivals and such they say "You don't have a label, that makes you a demo band... But our demo stage is full, sorry, call back when you have a label."

Now, we want to continue making music, and continue to stay close to our fans. But all the bullshit you encounter in the DIY realm is really getting tiresome. With a major label such as Spinefarm backing us up there's one major change that you, our fans, will notice... And that's gigs. We still feel and believe as we've done before, but we want to get out more and play more gigs and get our album in out in stores. Spinefarm is already looking into getting us a booking agency, which means people who's job it'll be to get gigs for us.

Now, we probably won't get any richer from this. Spinefarm will, undoubtedly, but we don't care about that. In fact we'll go from getting every penny of an album sold to getting practically zero. If you think having a major label makes someone rich, you're mistaken, trust me.

We chose to do this because the advantages outweight the disadvantages, and because it was a step we've not yet taken. We wouldn't have done this with any label, either. Spinefarm is, after all, Spinefarm.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 06:47:25 pm
w0rd!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 06:48:11 pm
Oh, and you should be glad to know, that Spinefarm has a policy not to restrict or try to manipulate the bands in their compilation of albums and music.

They wanted us to remove Oki Kumas Adventure from the album. We didn't. And they accepted it.

They wanted to remove the SID-stuff from Ronin and similar issues in other songs... We said no.

They really didn't grab us because of the SID-stuff, so they don't get that aspect of Machinae Supremacy. But luckily, they don't have to, because so far, we've gotten the last word in these issues.

So you see, they do have opinions, but they haven't pulled rank yet.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 06:53:10 pm
What about the 2 free downloads per album thing you have going? Will that be cast aside under the new arrangement?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 06:54:50 pm
What about website releases at all?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 07:00:28 pm
The current releases are hidden away. Because it doesn't make their new masters any money.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 07:03:17 pm
The current releases are hidden away. Because it doesn't make their new masters any money.
Yes, but does this deal mean there won't be any new site releases?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 07:03:23 pm
Oh, and you should be glad to know, that Spinefarm has a policy not to restrict or try to manipulate the bands in their compilation of albums and music.

They wanted us to remove Oki Kumas Adventure from the album. We didn't. And they accepted it.

They wanted to remove the SID-stuff from Ronin and similar issues in other songs... We said no.

They really didn't grab us because of the SID-stuff, so they don't get that aspect of Machinae Supremacy. But luckily, they don't have to, because so far, we've gotten the last word in these issues.

So you see, they do have opinions, but they haven't pulled rank yet.

Eeeeh. They asked you to remove stuff?

Well its lucky you did have the last word, that sucks.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: leicesterfox on September 27, 2006, 07:03:52 pm
Website releases is a good question. What will happen there?

But respect to the band, they fully understand what it means to keep close to their fans.
And I think standing up for their music to not be changed shows great character.
I have seen too many go down like that.

Respect to Robert and the gang.

Thats another interesting question. Who does all the fighting for the band? Is it robert cos we always hear from him about the exploits and stuff like that.
I mean with introduction of Pallo and the harder line music leading after that, I would reckon he is quite the fighter when it comes to this sort of thing having a "hard" nature.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 07:04:46 pm
rob is a tough as a lil puppy ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Gordon on September 27, 2006, 07:09:19 pm
well everyone cant be pleased the band has said that they support filesharing etc... and it doesnt matter in things like that. The band will be heard now by much bigger audience and they can spread the word much more godly way now :)
fuck it, just look at the organization of the Website now:
It's just like every band website, the downloads (which made MaSu famous) are not important anymore and are hidden away in some "archive", and it is way too commercialized: The Shop is everywhere (top bar, news, releases, hell, even in "pictures").

Unfortunately, money is everything this world is about.  :(

Please, people.... calm down!!! Here's the thing... Spinefarm is a finnish record lable that believe in us and will help us to release our albums so that you people can buy it from a store near you. Also this is a step forward in getting lots of gigs and doing tours. We still support filesharing and all that stuff. Buying the record will support the band and making it easier for us to get noticed in the industry and sharing is a way to spread our music even further.

This record deal is a good thing. We're not selling out (much). =) This is the next step and hopefully makes it easier to reach out to all you fans out there. The MachinaeShop is still run by us guys in Machinae Supremacy and all eventual profit will go directly to us.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 07:10:43 pm
well everyone cant be pleased the band has said that they support filesharing etc... and it doesnt matter in things like that. The band will be heard now by much bigger audience and they can spread the word much more godly way now :)
fuck it, just look at the organization of the Website now:
It's just like every band website, the downloads (which made MaSu famous) are not important anymore and are hidden away in some "archive", and it is way too commercialized: The Shop is everywhere (top bar, news, releases, hell, even in "pictures").

Unfortunately, money is everything this world is about.  :(

Please, people.... calm down!!! Here's the thing... Spinefarm is a finnish record lable that believe in us and will help us to release our albums so that you people can buy it from a store near you. Also this is a step forward in getting lots of gigs and doing tours. We still support filesharing and all that stuff. Buying the record will support the band and making it easier for us to get noticed in the industry and sharing is a way to spread our music even further.

This record deal is a good thing. We're not selling out (much). =) This is the next step and hopefully makes it easier to reach out to all you fans out there. The MachinaeShop is still run by us guys in Machinae Supremacy and all eventual profit will go directly to us.

w0rd! we want gordon approves picture in this topic ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 07:13:49 pm
But respect to the band, they fully understand what it means to keep close to their fans.
And I think standing up for their music to not be changed shows great character.
I have seen too many go down like that.

Oh really?

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Even though they'd not been in contact with any record label, the guys felt it was time for something different in 2003. Releasing a couple of songs now and then on the website was still fun, but it was getting old. MACHINAE SUPREMACY was ready for a larger project. They began writing their debut album, DEUS EX MACHINAE. Without a plan for how it was going to be released, the production continued on into 2004, when the band was timely contacted by MBD Records, UK, about releasing the album on a master deal. The label offered nothing but online retail, but it didn't really matter to the band at this juncture. 50% of sales profit went directly to the band, and being independent is cool after all, so wtf.

You've sold yourself out, like it or not.

This record deal is a good thing. We're not selling out (much). =) This is the next step and hopefully makes it easier to reach out to all you fans out there. The MachinaeShop is still run by us guys in Machinae Supremacy and all eventual profit will go directly to us.

The next step? To join forces with the likes of those you opposed so vigorously just last year?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 07:14:25 pm
Website releases is a tricky thing... But to be honest, the website releases have been growing fewer and fewer on their own, and it's likely they won't be many in the future regardless of what anyone says... We try to focus all our creative strength on album making these days...

But if we get to a point we want to release something on the site, I guess we'll make sure we get to do that. As I said, they're not unreasonable.

However, the problem comes with album releases. According to our label manager, Hannu, the copyright organisation Toesto (or sth like that) in Finland makes it illegal to display more than 1 minute of copyrighted material on a site, so when albums get copyrighted by Spinefarm these restrictions apply.

However, since we're located in Sweden, there might be some sway there, I do plan to explore it. For now, I've made samples (a bit longer than 1 minute though, you know, just to fuck the system a little teeny wii bit), in the hope of replacing them with full-sized songs later.

On MySpace however, there'll be four full-length songs for streaming later on.

Leicesterfox, thanks for understanding... To answer your question, yes, Poe is quite standfast on his and our principles, but we are all like that. We DID discuss (all of us) if we were willing to do as Spinefarm said, to remove parts of our material, but we agreed that no, we weren't willing to do that. So we informed Spinefarm of this, and they said "Ok, Your call."

Unlike mainstream performers, all we have is our music. We don't have dancers, or Max Martin, or choreographers, or whatever... We have our music, and our fans, and that's it. We're not about to compromise either.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 07:18:46 pm
it's teosto. that we all finnish ppl almost hate ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 07:19:11 pm
Quote from: Gordon
"We're not selling out (much). =)"

Heh. I still love you guys. Even if you are selling out a little.

Heres hoping you can come play in Manchester some time! :D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
But respect to the band, they fully understand what it means to keep close to their fans.
And I think standing up for their music to not be changed shows great character.
I have seen too many go down like that.

Oh really?

Quote
Even though they'd not been in contact with any record label, the guys felt it was time for something different in 2003. Releasing a couple of songs now and then on the website was still fun, but it was getting old. MACHINAE SUPREMACY was ready for a larger project. They began writing their debut album, DEUS EX MACHINAE. Without a plan for how it was going to be released, the production continued on into 2004, when the band was timely contacted by MBD Records, UK, about releasing the album on a master deal. The label offered nothing but online retail, but it didn't really matter to the band at this juncture. 50% of sales profit went directly to the band, and being independent is cool after all, so wtf.

You've sold yourself out, like it or not.

This record deal is a good thing. We're not selling out (much). =) This is the next step and hopefully makes it easier to reach out to all you fans out there. The MachinaeShop is still run by us guys in Machinae Supremacy and all eventual profit will go directly to us.

The next step? To join forces with the likes of those you opposed so vigorously just last year?

Who are we joining forces with? I look around me and all I see is me and you. From where I stand, not much has changed, really... It was illegal to warez our albums before... And it's illegal now. But we STILL don't care if it is, because we'll never join or stand behind a hunt for filesharers or whatever...

Are you unhappy because our lives just got a lot easier, or are we robbing you of all that free stuff that you can get for free anyway? I'm sorry you don't like it, but I don't really understand why.

RIAA are still a bunch of fuckers. And with our albums in the record stores, even more people are gonna hear me say that.

EDIT: Grammar error fixed.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 07:21:47 pm
But respect to the band, they fully understand what it means to keep close to their fans.
And I think standing up for their music to not be changed shows great character.
I have seen too many go down like that.

Oh really?

Quote
Even though they'd not been in contact with any record label, the guys felt it was time for something different in 2003. Releasing a couple of songs now and then on the website was still fun, but it was getting old. MACHINAE SUPREMACY was ready for a larger project. They began writing their debut album, DEUS EX MACHINAE. Without a plan for how it was going to be released, the production continued on into 2004, when the band was timely contacted by MBD Records, UK, about releasing the album on a master deal. The label offered nothing but online retail, but it didn't really matter to the band at this juncture. 50% of sales profit went directly to the band, and being independent is cool after all, so wtf.

You've sold yourself out, like it or not.

This record deal is a good thing. We're not selling out (much). =) This is the next step and hopefully makes it easier to reach out to all you fans out there. The MachinaeShop is still run by us guys in Machinae Supremacy and all eventual profit will go directly to us.

The next step? To join forces with the likes of those you opposed so vigorously just last year?

Who are we joining forces with? I look around me and all I see is me and you. From where I stand, not much has changed, really... It was illegal to warez our albums before... And it's illegal now. But we STILL don't care if it is, because we'll never join or stand behind a hunt for filesharers or whatever...

Are you unhappy because our lives just got a lot easier, or are we robbing you of all that free stuff that you can get for free anyway? I'm sorry you don't like it, but I don't really understand why.

RIAA are still a bunch of fuckers. And with our albums in the record stores, even more people are gonna hear me say that.

EDIT: Grammar error fixed.

You two, stop fighting :D you're like a bloody married couple!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 07:23:17 pm
Spinefarm is a finnish record lable that believe in us
The only thing record labels usually believe in is their profit.
Additionally, I don't think it shows that they believe in you if they want to remove the SID stuff from the songs.
And besides, these words sound like an ordinary commercial slogan. I'm disappointed.

For now, I've made samples (a bit longer than 1 minute though, you know, just to fuck the system a little teeny wii bit)
But that's again the way I like you  ;)

RIAA are still a bunch of fuckers. And with our albums in the record stores, even more people are gonna hear me say that.
In some way, you have just started supporting them because, as you said, that's where your money goes now.
At least for me, this point is difficult to understand.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 07:26:33 pm
Who are we joining forces with? I look around me and all I see is me and you. From where I stand, not much has changed, really... It was illegal to warez our albums before... And it's illegal now. But we STILL don't care if it is, because we'll never join or stand behind a hunt for filesharers or whatever...

You'll never stand behind a hunt for filesharers? That's funny, you'll only help supply them with funds, like it or not.

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Are you unhappy because our lives just got a lot easier, or are we robbing you of all that free stuff that you can get for free anyway? I'm sorry you don't like it, but I don't really understand why.

Not unhappy, so much as disappointed. For the first 6 years of the band's existence, you did all the crap mostly by yourself, as a big 'fuck you' to the corporate music industry. You weren't tied down with corporate responsibilities. Now, you have far less freedom, and you're going to end up becoming Spinefarm's bitch.

Try listening to Follower, to Nemesis and Blind Dog Pride. See if you can, without feeling like a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 07:28:05 pm
findiil stop bitching please
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 07:28:36 pm
Spinefarm is a finnish record lable that believe in us
The only thing record labels usually believe in is their profit.
Additionally, I don't think it shows that they believe in you if they want to remove the SID stuff from the songs.
And besides, these words sound like an ordinary commercial slogan. I'm disappointed.

For now, I've made samples (a bit longer than 1 minute though, you know, just to fuck the system a little teeny wii bit)
But that's again the way I like you  ;)

RIAA are still a bunch of fuckers. And with our albums in the record stores, even more people are gonna hear me say that.
In some way, you have just started supporting them because, as you said, that's where your money goes now.
At least for me, this point is difficult to understand.

Actually, RIAA doesn't get our money, Spinefarm does. And like I said... I don't really care about the money. I never did, or I wouldn't have been doing this for 6 years without a single penny for it.

That Spinefarm gets money because of something we do I have no problem with. They way I see it, we get what we want from them, and they get to make a little profit from us. Fair trade.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 07:28:52 pm
Who are we joining forces with? I look around me and all I see is me and you. From where I stand, not much has changed, really... It was illegal to warez our albums before... And it's illegal now. But we STILL don't care if it is, because we'll never join or stand behind a hunt for filesharers or whatever...

You'll never stand behind a hunt for filesharers? That's funny, you'll only help supply them with funds, like it or not.

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Are you unhappy because our lives just got a lot easier, or are we robbing you of all that free stuff that you can get for free anyway? I'm sorry you don't like it, but I don't really understand why.

Not unhappy, so much as disappointed. For the first 6 years of the band's existence, you did all the crap mostly by yourself, as a big 'fuck you' to the corporate music industry. You weren't tied down with corporate responsibilities. Now, you have far less freedom, and you're going to end up becoming Spinefarm's bitch.

Try listening to Follower, to Nemesis and Blind Dog Pride. See if you can, without feeling like a hypocrite.


Oh Fiindil, dont get so bitchy. Just drop it man, this is a good thing. At least now you'll be able to see the band live :)

EDIT:
In other news, I made my first animated .gif. There are 2 very similar pictures of Jonne on the new site, I think one should be removed or something, seems hes stealing the spotlight with his awesome guitar ;D ;D

(http://xs207.xs.to/xs207/06393/Jonne.gif)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 07:34:31 pm
Who are we joining forces with? I look around me and all I see is me and you. From where I stand, not much has changed, really... It was illegal to warez our albums before... And it's illegal now. But we STILL don't care if it is, because we'll never join or stand behind a hunt for filesharers or whatever...

You'll never stand behind a hunt for filesharers? That's funny, you'll only help supply them with funds, like it or not.

Quote
Are you unhappy because our lives just got a lot easier, or are we robbing you of all that free stuff that you can get for free anyway? I'm sorry you don't like it, but I don't really understand why.

Not unhappy, so much as disappointed. For the first 6 years of the band's existence, you did all the crap mostly by yourself, as a big 'fuck you' to the corporate music industry. You weren't tied down with corporate responsibilities. Now, you have far less freedom, and you're going to end up becoming Spinefarm's bitch.

Try listening to Follower, to Nemesis and Blind Dog Pride. See if you can, without feeling like a hypocrite.


Findil, I don't feel like a hypocrite. I can stand behind this choice 100% for the reasons I've already explained.
And even though I'm sure I can't discourage your disappointment right now, I will prove to you in the long run that I mean what I'm saying. So if you can bare it, stick with us through this, and give me the chance to prove we're nobody's bitch in this. This was a business decision...

And as for our freedom, Spinefarm won't make us do anything we don't want to do. You watch.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Laser.T on September 27, 2006, 07:35:52 pm
For me this is a natural and totally expected progression. Machinae Supremacy are a fantastic band and you cannot expect to remain underground forever and continue creating music with the mere pennies they earn in their daily jobs. If the band is to continue living then it must eventually look to greater powers, as regretabble as that may be. Machinae seem to be good enough to get the attention of Spinefarm and so that must mean that Spinefarm considers them musically worthy enough to earn them record sales. That is a fantastic thing. Can people not be happy that their favorite band will soon be reaching out to hopefully millions of new listeners? Or are you so arrogant and selfish that you wish to keep the knowledge of this underground phenomenon to yourself?

Understand though, that I too have reservations about all this. Seeing free downloads disappear from the site is worrying as these should not be Spinefarm's posession and decision to restrict, in my opinion. This music was created out of their time and should continue being free as they always had been.

As long as Robert and the guys continue to stretch their rights and keep what the essence of Machinae is - keeping SID and insisting that certain tracks remain in the album - then I believe everything will be okay and I truly look forward to the day when I can walk into HMV, go to 'M' section and locate 'Machinae Supremacy' and then think "I supported these guys for 5 years before they were famous." and be fucking proud about it as I buy their newest album.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 07:39:09 pm
Try listening to Follower, to Nemesis and Blind Dog Pride. See if you can, without feeling like a hypocrite.

Findil, I don't feel like a hypocrite. I can stand behind this choice 100% for the reasons I've already explained.
And even though I'm sure I can't discourage your disappointment right now, I will prove to you in the long run that I mean what I'm saying. So if you can bare it, stick with us through this, and give me the chance to prove we're nobody's bitch in this. This was a business decision...

And as for our freedom, Spinefarm won't make us do anything we don't want to do. You watch.

I'll watch the outcome of this with great interest. I just hope that you haven't sold your morals for some quick currency.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 07:40:32 pm
Try listening to Follower, to Nemesis and Blind Dog Pride. See if you can, without feeling like a hypocrite.

Findil, I don't feel like a hypocrite. I can stand behind this choice 100% for the reasons I've already explained.
And even though I'm sure I can't discourage your disappointment right now, I will prove to you in the long run that I mean what I'm saying. So if you can bare it, stick with us through this, and give me the chance to prove we're nobody's bitch in this. This was a business decision...

And as for our freedom, Spinefarm won't make us do anything we don't want to do. You watch.

I'll watch the outcome of this with great interest. I just hope that you haven't sold your morals for some quick currency.

sigh findiil really man grow up they havent sold their soul to satan!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 07:42:08 pm
Actually, RIAA doesn't get our money, Spinefarm does. And like I said... I don't really care about the money. I never did, or I wouldn't have been doing this for 6 years without a single penny for it.
Spinefarm is also represented by the RIAA when it comes to a legal case... and I don't expect the RIAA to do that for free. Or do I get things wrong?

As for fallout, I don't think fanboyism is wrong, but fanboyism without using your brain definitely is.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 07:42:51 pm
Findil, I actually, despite what you may think, am greatful that you (and probably more like you) react this strongly, because I am like you in many ways... Principle is important, and I tend to look up to people who stick to theirs, and if I fear they are betraying them, I get a little hostile-minded...

But I will show you what we stand for, given time. And I might even get you to think better of Spinefarm in general, along the way. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 07:44:24 pm
Actually, RIAA doesn't get our money, Spinefarm does. And like I said... I don't really care about the money. I never did, or I wouldn't have been doing this for 6 years without a single penny for it.
As for fallout, I don't think fanboyism is wrong, but fanboyism without using your brain definitely is.

Wtf is that supposed to mean? :/
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 07:44:37 pm
Just to a RIAA affilated label. I consider the two to be interchangable. @ mumppis

Findil, I actually, despite what you may think, am greatful that you (and probably more like you) react this strongly, because I am like you in many ways... Principle is important, and I tend to look up to people who stick to theirs, and if I fear they are betraying them, I get a little hostile-minded...

But I will show you what we stand for, given time. And I might even get you to think better of Spinefarm in general, along the way. :)

I look forward to the day ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 07:45:43 pm
Actually, RIAA doesn't get our money, Spinefarm does. And like I said... I don't really care about the money. I never did, or I wouldn't have been doing this for 6 years without a single penny for it.
As for fallout, I don't think fanboyism is wrong, but fanboyism without using your brain definitely is.

Wtf is that supposed to mean? :/
I refer to

"Just drop it man, this is a good thing. "

Just because robert said so ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 07:48:59 pm
Actually, RIAA doesn't get our money, Spinefarm does. And like I said... I don't really care about the money. I never did, or I wouldn't have been doing this for 6 years without a single penny for it.
As for fallout, I don't think fanboyism is wrong, but fanboyism without using your brain definitely is.

Wtf is that supposed to mean? :/
I refer to

"Just drop it man, this is a good thing. "

Just because robert said so ;)

I didnt say its a good thing because rob said its a good thing. I said it because I beleive it will be a good thing for the band, because they'll be able to reach bigger crowds.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 07:51:50 pm
Actually, RIAA doesn't get our money, Spinefarm does. And like I said... I don't really care about the money. I never did, or I wouldn't have been doing this for 6 years without a single penny for it.
As for fallout, I don't think fanboyism is wrong, but fanboyism without using your brain definitely is.

Wtf is that supposed to mean? :/
I refer to

"Just drop it man, this is a good thing. "

Just because robert said so ;)

I didnt say its a good thing because rob said its a good thing. I said it because I beleive it will be a good thing for the band, because they'll be able to reach bigger crowds.
No matter how you got your opinion, you asked Fiindil to drop his opinion, which means to be one in a million... just a drone...etc.  :)
=> a fanboy without a mind of his own
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 07:56:23 pm
Actually, RIAA doesn't get our money, Spinefarm does. And like I said... I don't really care about the money. I never did, or I wouldn't have been doing this for 6 years without a single penny for it.
As for fallout, I don't think fanboyism is wrong, but fanboyism without using your brain definitely is.

Wtf is that supposed to mean? :/
I refer to

"Just drop it man, this is a good thing. "

Just because robert said so ;)

I didnt say its a good thing because rob said its a good thing. I said it because I beleive it will be a good thing for the band, because they'll be able to reach bigger crowds.
No matter how you got your opinion, you asked Fiindil to drop his opinion, which means to be one in a million... just a drone...etc.  :)
=> a fanboy without a mind of his own

I didnt ask him to drop his opinion, i asked him to stop arguing.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Gordon on September 27, 2006, 07:59:21 pm
Try listening to Follower, to Nemesis and Blind Dog Pride. See if you can, without feeling like a hypocrite.

Findil, I don't feel like a hypocrite. I can stand behind this choice 100% for the reasons I've already explained.
And even though I'm sure I can't discourage your disappointment right now, I will prove to you in the long run that I mean what I'm saying. So if you can bare it, stick with us through this, and give me the chance to prove we're nobody's bitch in this. This was a business decision...

And as for our freedom, Spinefarm won't make us do anything we don't want to do. You watch.

I'll watch the outcome of this with great interest. I just hope that you haven't sold your morals for some quick currency.

And as for the quick currency.... We will now make a lot less money per album sold then selling them ourselves. So at this point.. it isn't for the money. We do this for (hopefully) expanded possibilities.

We want to find our album in record stores all over the world. *looking at plan for taking over the universe*
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 07:59:47 pm
I didnt ask him to drop his opinion, i asked him to stop arguing.
and what's the difference?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 08:06:51 pm
Congratu-fricken-lations!

I read through this thread and I gotta say, I am extremely happy. Machinae appears to have creative control, which is all that matters. ALL this means to me is I may get to go to the store to buy my Machinae CD's. This also means I may just be lucky enough to see Machinae live here in the states someday.

This means when I'm driving down the highway blaring Machinae, someone may look out the window with a smile, because they KNOW what im listening to.

If anyone expected Machinae to expand their horizons beyond what they already have without some help, you're out of your mind. The fact Machinae made it as far as they did without a label is miraculous in my opinion. Most bands cannot produce such high quality CD's or gain any kind of substantial internet popularity without SOME kind of help. I cannot begin to fathem how anyone can say Machinaes message is changing, all I see changing is how fucking loud they're going to be screaming it.

This is a fantastic first step to world domination. :)

Edit: Moved the questions to a seperate post, seemed all messy and unbelonging here =P
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 08:08:02 pm
Let's all be civil. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and no one's arguing anymore, so no worries...

I just want to say to everyone who thinks this is a bad decision that we believe this is the right step for us, and we have every reason to believe that Spinefarm is not the kind of oppressive major label that some bands come across. Labels are adapting to the way things work now and I believe Spinefarm is open-minded about how we've done things in the past, and how we want to do things in the future.

Stay with us, and interact, view, report, tell, and give us a chance to prove to you that what this means for us is simply a chance to focus more on making our music, and worrying less on what's going to happen with it when we're done.

And remember... Sharing is caring. ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 08:09:44 pm
Congratu-fricken-lations!

I read through this thread and I gotta say, I am extremely happy. Machinae appears to have creative control, which is all that matters. ALL this means to me is I may get to go to the store to buy my Machinae CD's. This also means I may just be lucky enough to see Machinae live here in the states someday.

This means when I'm driving down the highway blaring Machinae, someone may look out the window with a smile, because they KNOW what im listening to.

If anyone expected Machinae to expand their horizons beyond what they already have without some help, you're out of your mind. The fact Machinae made it as far as they did without a label is miraculous in my opinion. Most bands cannot produce such high quality CD's or gain any kind of substantial internet popularity without SOME kind of help. I cannot begin to fathem how anyone can say Machinaes message is changing, all I see changing is how fucking loud they're going to be screaming it.

This is a fantastic first step to world domination. :)

What a lovely way to put it... I feel warm inside. Thank you. Mind if I quote you to my friends? :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 08:11:37 pm
Congratu-fricken-lations!

I read through this thread and I gotta say, I am extremely happy. Machinae appears to have creative control, which is all that matters. ALL this means to me is I may get to go to the store to buy my Machinae CD's. This also means I may just be lucky enough to see Machinae live here in the states someday.

This means when I'm driving down the highway blaring Machinae, someone may look out the window with a smile, because they KNOW what im listening to.

If anyone expected Machinae to expand their horizons beyond what they already have without some help, you're out of your mind. The fact Machinae made it as far as they did without a label is miraculous in my opinion. Most bands cannot produce such high quality CD's or gain any kind of substantial internet popularity without SOME kind of help. I cannot begin to fathem how anyone can say Machinaes message is changing, all I see changing is how fucking loud they're going to be screaming it.

This is a fantastic first step to world domination. :)

What a lovely way to put it... I feel warm inside. Thank you. Mind if I quote you to my friends? :)

Of course not; go for it heh. Thanks =)

I threw a few questions onto the bottom of my post too if you get bored ;)

I'm all excited and giggly now. :P

Edit: Actually, my questions are on the next page! Roohoo!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 27, 2006, 08:13:43 pm
I didnt ask him to drop his opinion, i asked him to stop arguing.
and what's the difference?

Dropping his opinion: personally changing his mind about everything and accepting the changes

Stopping arguing: shutting the hell up.


ps-thanks for killing the quote pyramid :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drain on September 27, 2006, 08:16:44 pm
Congratulations Rob and the rest of MaSu :) Great news to wake up to at 18:00. As for people who doubt MaSus intentions, given their history how can you? MaSu will always be about sticking to their principles. I dont think this is about the money. I remember this summer at hultsfred when MaSu had won the vote on their official site for wanted bands. I was ofc hoping to see them live at Hultsfred but they didnt get a chance to play. The reason for this as Rob later told me was that they didnt have a record lable supporting them. This will propebly not be the case next summer ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 27, 2006, 08:19:23 pm
Dropping his opinion: personally changing his mind about everything and accepting the changes

Stopping arguing: shutting the hell up.
But at least for us forumers, the result would be the same  :P

well, whatever. I think this is pointless and so I'm going to have a nice cup of STFU... at least concerning this topic.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 08:19:46 pm
Okay, I stand firm that this r0x my s0x. Got a few questions to ask y'all:

Question #1: What's this mean for the legendary third album? I know it's too early to say if their will be two editions, like with Redeemer, but what kind of release are we looking for it? Any talks of some marketing on this baby? :)

Question #2: Are the future releases (Third album, Redeemer Retail etc) going to be available on the MaSu Online Store? I know you said all purchases from there still directly support the band. IF the new label-backed albums are going to be available on the store, would their purchase go directly to you still (or at least moreso than my purchase at a local store)?

Question #3: How mass-spread is the Redeemer Retail edition going to be? In other words, will I see them in-store in the states here?

Again, congratulations guys. This is cause for celebration. =)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 08:21:08 pm
Congratulations Rob and the rest of MaSu :) Great news to wake up to at 18:00. As for people who doubt MaSus intentions, given their history how can you? MaSu will always be about sticking to their principles. I dont think this is about the money. I remember this summer at hultsfred when MaSu had won the vote on their official site for wanted bands. I was ofc hoping to see them live at Hultsfred but they didnt get a chance to play. The reason for this as Rob later told me was that they didnt have a record lable supporting them. This will propebly not be the case next summer ;)

This is true... We got turned down because we didn't have a label. I was at Hultsfred, and I saw the band who came 2nd... H.I.M. ... They were actually quite good live. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: potatismos on September 27, 2006, 08:25:57 pm
didnt notice masu's label signin until just now congrats.

and to all you whining about: ""OMG thats like a major label now machinae supremacy wont be machinae no more they have sold themselves."" fuck you. this is a chance for masu to spread their msic and to get a wider fanbase and think of everyone that will discover masu now. selfish bastards.
I belive 100% in masu and their work and I know that they would never give up their fans, we're after all the ones who made this whole spinefarm masu thingy happen.

Looking forward to your new material and tours, keep it up 8)

Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 08:28:34 pm
Question #1: What's this mean for the legendary third album? I know it's too early to say if their will be two editions, like with Redeemer, but what kind of release are we looking for it? Any talks of some marketing on this baby? :)

- If Spinefarm doesn't burn to the ground due to angry Machinae fans upset about this deal, it'll mean that it will be released like "real" albums are, in the stores, with promotion, yadayada, the works... We've not discussed marketing, budget or anything on this one yet (since we're currently pretty busy with the current one). Although, you should know, that according to what I hear, versions in Japan pretty much always contain a bonus track compared to the European and USA versions, so more than one version might exist anyway... And that means there might even be a third version of Redeemer, for the Japanese populace.

Question #2: Are the future releases (Third album, Redeemer Retail etc) going to be available on the MaSu Online Store? I know you said all purchases from there still directly support the band. IF the new label-backed albums are going to be available on the store, would their purchase go directly to you still (or at least moreso than my purchase at a local store)?

- We plan to sell the albums there, although the shop will now have to buy them from Spinefarm for the same price other stores buy them. But that's transparent as far as the fans are concerned. But yes, purchases from the shop gives more to the band than store sales.

Question #3: How mass-spread is the Redeemer Retail edition going to be? In other words, will I see them in-store in the states here?

- Europe is guaranteed, USA is very likely, and Japan is too early to tell. Even if there's no licensing of the album in the USA (which means another record label there prints and distributes the album) it should still be available through import... I don't actually know these things, but this is what I've been able to discern from talks with our label manager, etc...

Again, congratulations guys. This is cause for celebration. =)

- Agreed... Thanks, Drak.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on September 27, 2006, 08:43:01 pm
Congratulations guys, this is fantastic news!

You've gone to great lengths to justify your decision, I've gone back and made sure I've read all of it. I think you've done this for the right reasons and you think you can handle the corperate machine. Having said that, if you ever desire to come back to the old days- doing it all yourself through the website, you'd have our full support. You've hit a glass wall, as you say, but the world is changing. Digital distribution and awareness through the internet is still very much in it's infancy, and even though there's only so far you can take your career through the web alone, it's still a million lightyears from where the music industry was five years ago. If all this can happen in the five, six years you've been around, I can't begin to imagine what will happen in the next ten. By the time you've made it big and you've done all you've ever wanted, it'll still be waiting here for you if you ever wanted to push the boundaries of what was possible again, and I can't think of any band more suitable or deserving than you guys.

I genuinely believe that you have what it takes to hit the big time. You've got a good message and a great vibe that I know others will tune into loud and clear. When you play your first gig in the UK, I'll be there with as many of the forumers as possible with a bloody great big sign to make sure you see us (so you'd better get us behind the barrier and into the VIP bar, no excuses :P). You've always got our support and our love, and we'll be there all the way 'till the end.

Please just promise me one thing- please don't let the forums slip into another n00bfest that other band's official websites and forums are- your continued involvement and friendship is what has made the community and the band stand out from all the rest. You genuniely care about what we think and you're not affraid to show it.

Good luck, stick to your guns and don't ever compromise on the music you hear in your heart.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 08:43:41 pm
Oh, spontanious thought just rammed itself into my noggin... We may actually get a Machinae Supremacy video now. Seems alot more possible now than it did two hours ago. :)

Hurrah
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 08:47:21 pm
Congratulations guys, this is fantastic news!

You've gone to great lengths to justify your decision, I've gone back and made sure I've read all of it. I think you've done this for the right reasons and you think you can handle the corperate machine. Having said that, if you ever desire to come back to the old days- doing it all yourself through the website, you'd have our full support. You've hit a glass wall, as you say, but the world is changing. Digital distribution and awareness through the internet is still very much in it's infancy, and even though there's only so far you can take your career through the web alone, it's still a million lightyears from where the music industry was five years ago. If all this can happen in the five, six years you've been around, I can't begin to imagine what will happen in the next ten. By the time you've made it big and you've done all you've ever wanted, it'll still be waiting here for you if you ever wanted to push the boundaries of what was possible again, and I can't think of any band more suitable or deserving than you guys.

I genuinely believe that you have what it takes to hit the big time. You've got a good message and a great vibe that I know others will tune into loud and clear. When you play your first gig in the UK, I'll be there with as many of the forumers as possible with a bloody great big sign to make sure you see us (so you'd better get us behind the barrier and into the VIP bar, no excuses :P). You've always got our support and our love, and we'll be there all the way 'till the end.

Please just promise me one thing- please don't let the forums slip into another n00bfest that other band's official websites and forums are- your continued involvement and friendship is what has made the community and the band stand out from all the rest. You genuniely care about what we think and you're not affraid to show it.

Good luck, stick to your guns and don't ever compromise on the music you hear in your heart.

Thank you! And about that n00bfest... That's what the moderators are for... If I know Gaijin and the guys, they won't sit idly by while morons make this place uninhabitable. Also, since this forum is already so big with sweet old underground-fans, the n00bs won't be in majority anytime soon... ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 08:54:13 pm
When you play your first gig in the UK, I'll be there with as many of the forumers as possible with a bloody great big sign to make sure you see us (so you'd better get us behind the barrier and into the VIP bar, no excuses :P). You've always got our support and our love, and we'll be there all the way 'till the end.

QFT! I cannot stress this enough, I will do all that I can to see the band live if they ever play in the UK.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 08:59:27 pm
If we get a booking agent, you can bet on it.

And I've been told SF are already working on that. And when I shake your hand after the gig, Findil, you must admit we did the right thing here. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 09:00:13 pm
When you play your first gig in the UK, I'll be there with as many of the forumers as possible with a bloody great big sign to make sure you see us (so you'd better get us behind the barrier and into the VIP bar, no excuses :P). You've always got our support and our love, and we'll be there all the way 'till the end.

QFT! I cannot stress this enough, I will do all that I can to see the band live if they ever play in the UK.

Oh cmon now, back stage passes are a must =)

Oh, and I think the new super-masu site desperately needs a section for Machinae fan tattoo pictures. (*cough cough, cause some of us are just that cool *cough cough*).

Hehe anyway, I like the new downloadable stuff though. I think the website is looking really good so far and I defenitely love the new content. I now have a new Machinae wallpaper, wee! I already got a comment on it (since I'm at work) of someone asking me who it was. I then got to explain this whole story, that was fun =)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 09:10:58 pm
If we get a booking agent, you can bet on it.

And I've been told SF are already working on that. And when I shake your hand after the gig, Findil, you must admit we did the right thing here. :)

As long as you keep a similiar style, and don't become like an In Flames clone or something stupid, then, yeah, I'll guess I'll have to admit that. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Maskedmarine on September 27, 2006, 09:15:26 pm
I'll crowdsurf some way or another.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 09:17:28 pm
If we get a booking agent, you can bet on it.

And I've been told SF are already working on that. And when I shake your hand after the gig, Findil, you must admit we did the right thing here. :)

As long as you keep a similiar style, and don't become like an In Flames clone or something stupid, then, yeah, I'll guess I'll have to admit that. :)

Damn if I tried to sing like that dude, or make all our songs in A#, i'd croke. :) (No offense to In Flames, though, I kinda like many of their songs).
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 09:19:06 pm
Oh, and I think the new super-masu site desperately needs a section for Machinae fan tattoo pictures. (*cough cough, cause some of us are just that cool *cough cough*).

I agree! Send the photos to me (robert@ ... ) and I'll take care of it. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Chimeray on September 27, 2006, 09:24:35 pm
OMFG no! Will you be able to buy the 'old' redeemer CD when the revamped one is released. Cos I hope you've noticed it... there's like 5 songs MISSING on the new CD! Songs gone to waste... will they get uploaded on the site release directory? What will happen to the lost music, omg noooo!!!

 :o
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 09:26:41 pm
well redeemer underground edition is different than this coming retail edition has certain songs out. so if you wanna underground edition order it from masushop :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Chimeray on September 27, 2006, 09:29:28 pm
Yeah I'm doing it right away... :p I like machinae supremacy a lot, been thinking of buying the CD for about a year now. But I never really did, hell I don't know why :D Purchasing something over the net isn't really my thing cos I have to ask my dad's card and go though the whole thing, yeah I know it's fairly easy... but still
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 09:31:38 pm
The Underground Edition contains all the songs we made, and it was meant for ... You guessed it... The underground fans. The people who already know Machinae Supremacy.

The retail edition was meant to be a more "optimized" and not as long version, and meant for the new audience... A stepping stone into the sound of Machinae Supremacy.

You still have time to get the Underground Edition. We have several hundred copies left of it.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 27, 2006, 09:31:45 pm
Call me skeptical, but i feel a but uneasy about this all. Perhaps it's because I don't want Machinae to become popular all across the world, to the extent where everybody knows who they are. For the past year I've liked introducing people to the band and having people associate them with me. So yeah, i guess that's kinda selfish on my behalf.
The "remastered" redeemer sounds pretty bad too, imo. The drums sound completely fake, and whoever mixed through the looking glass has done a good job ruining the effect of it. Of course, this is judging from the samples alone. Ghost does sound better, though.

But whatever happens, I'm sure it'll all work out. Grats on the signing, and get your ass to England already!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: MashedByMachines on September 27, 2006, 09:32:29 pm
Sweet i´m impressed :D
I hope this is the moment you have been waiting for, to fullfill your dreams :D *to take over the world*

Did kinda expect some info on some new material though :D vary well, im looking forward to the remastered REDEEMER.

Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 09:32:45 pm
OMFG no! Will you be able to buy the 'old' redeemer CD when the revamped one is released. Cos I hope you've noticed it... there's like 5 songs MISSING on the new CD! Songs gone to waste... will they get uploaded on the site release directory? What will happen to the lost music, omg noooo!!!

 :o

There was always going to be an Underground and Retail edition. Dont sweat, the Underground edition will be available on the MaSu shop for some time I'm sure (if not indefenitely). (EDIT: N/m, read above. Several hundred copies. You're good either way =P)

If you don't have it, you're going to have a happy-seizure when you do. I listen to Redeemer more than any other CD (of all my music, not just Machinae), period. Still to this day.



Oh, and I think the new super-masu site desperately needs a section for Machinae fan tattoo pictures. (*cough cough, cause some of us are just that cool *cough cough*).

I agree! Send the photos to me (robert@ ... ) and I'll take care of it. :)

Woo, cool! Sent! (i'll have more to send or post when I get home if you want action shots, haha). That'll be cool, I know theres at least three of us (Gaij, me, dem) that have them. I'm sure theres another one or two hidden away. And I'm sure theres MANY more to come.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 09:36:35 pm
Quick, someone tattoo their crotch and get the band picketed by concerned parents everywhere, thus hugely increasing sales!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 09:38:15 pm
Good, I hope Dimruth and Gaijin sends me as well, so I don't have to find their pics somewhere...

About the remaster of Redeemer... I seriously totally fucking love the new sound. It's a bit "sharper" on the ears, but other than that I think it sounds bigger, more aggressive and definitely more powerful than before...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Sansebastian on September 27, 2006, 09:39:04 pm
About the booking agency....check out http://www.skrikhult.se/

and i want the new clip of TTLG....no way make it avalible for download?  :P
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 27, 2006, 09:39:53 pm
About the remaster of Redeemer... I seriously totally fucking love the new sound. It's a bit "sharper" on the ears, but other than that I think it sounds bigger, more aggressive and definitely more powerful than before...

Like i said, I'm only basing my current opinion on the site samples. But TTLG is completely ruined, i know that for fact. Still awaiting the full remaster of ghost and oki kuma, though. That'll be immense if it's like you say.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 09:40:07 pm
Good, I hope Dimruth and Gaijin sends me as well, so I don't have to find their pics somewhere...

About the remaster of Redeemer... I seriously totally fucking love the new sound. It's a bit "sharper" on the ears, but other than that I think it sounds bigger, more aggressive and definitely more powerful than before...


Dims:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/dimruthien/Photos/masu_tat.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/dimruthien/Photos/masu_tat2.jpg


Ironically, I sent you Gaijins in case you didn't have it.. it's linked at the bottom of my email. Lol =P
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Xhu on September 27, 2006, 09:42:33 pm
I'll decline from commenting until I see where this goes.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 09:43:12 pm
About the remaster of Redeemer... I seriously totally fucking love the new sound. It's a bit "sharper" on the ears, but other than that I think it sounds bigger, more aggressive and definitely more powerful than before...

Like i said, I'm only basing my current opinion on the site samples. But TTLG is completely ruined, i know that for fact. Still awaiting the full remaster of ghost and oki kuma, though. That'll be immense if it's like you say.

Are you sure your speakers arn't ruined? Hehe. TTLG sounds good to me from the sample.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 27, 2006, 09:44:43 pm
Are you sure your speakers arn't ruined? Hehe. TTLG sounds good to me from the sample.

Considering i bought a new 2.1 set the other day? Nah. It's just lost the "epicness" that the original has.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 09:47:32 pm
Are you sure your speakers arn't ruined? Hehe. TTLG sounds good to me from the sample.

Considering i bought a new 2.1 set the other day? Nah. It's just lost the "epicness" that the original has.

I'm listening through pretty standard earphones at work, it sounds really clean to me. But I'll defenitely be listening at home on the 5.1, but I don't mind it at all from what I've heard.

Not knockin ya though, to each their own =-).

Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: MashedByMachines on September 27, 2006, 09:47:46 pm
I think it sounds cool.  8)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 27, 2006, 09:49:55 pm
Not knockin ya though, to each their own =-).



Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the rest of the remaster will sound great. But when you've listened to the UE since it's release basicly every day or so, and you hear something new, it kinda makes me go "wtf? this isn't what i'm used to".
But as i've read theres few copies of the UE left for sale, we've all got us a piece of vintage methinks.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 27, 2006, 09:55:22 pm
But as i've read theres few copies of the UE left for sale, we've all got us a piece of vintage methinks.

Much like DXM v1

Oh wait, two of our moderators lost their copies. MUST.RESIST.RUBBING.FACT.IN.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 10:08:21 pm
Not knockin ya though, to each their own =-).



Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the rest of the remaster will sound great. But when you've listened to the UE since it's release basicly every day or so, and you hear something new, it kinda makes me go "wtf? this isn't what i'm used to".
But as i've read theres few copies of the UE left for sale, we've all got us a piece of vintage methinks.
But as i've read theres few copies of the UE left for sale, we've all got us a piece of vintage methinks.

Much like DXM v1

Oh wait, two of our moderators lost their copies. MUST.RESIST.RUBBING.FACT.IN.

Yeah, I've listened to the UE almost non-stop since release as well. I get what you're saying for sure. I think the EU sounded great, but from what I've heard I think the retail will sound awesome too.

As per DXM v1.. I still have mine, unfortunately the disc was scratched kinda bad. I don't know HOW it happened, it makes me weep inside. Thankfully I've got it on my ipod, but its sad to see that scratch. Its even on the picture itself, which makes it worse.

Fortunately the paper material is all in perfect condition. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: CrunchyLizard on September 27, 2006, 10:10:34 pm
I got a new laptop today and I had some trouble setting up our home network to make the aforementioned laptop connect to the internet. Then I had to add some of my bookmarks to Firefox on this laptop and when i typed machinaesupremacy.com and this new site came up I was like "omfgthislooksfrickinawesome!!!". The reanimator wallpaper in 1200x800 has also been set as my wallpaper.

Imo this is good news for the band and for most fans (including myself). It'll be much easier to spread the word if it's "an actual band" and not just "some underground stuff".

/me awaits a gig in Aalborg, Denmark
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Valentine Revolution on September 27, 2006, 10:17:27 pm
I'm really pleased for you guys, and look forward to some heavy drinking sessons with you ;) Having Redeemer in store is going to be amazing. I work in a Virgin Megastore, I'll try and flutter my eyelashes at someone and get it played in the store. This is a good thing indeed. I don't care how popular Machinae gets, the songs have a positive active message that everyone needs to hear. I don't want this to end up like the Coheed and Cambria forum where you have the "real" fans bitching at the "new" fans in every thread.

So yeah, stand up for your music, stand up for the Sid and stand up for the message you're spreading. Much fucking love to you :-*
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Xhu on September 27, 2006, 10:20:27 pm
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I don't want this to end up like the Coheed and Cambria forum where you have the "real" fans bitching at the "new" fans in every thread.

As a new fan, I can confidently say this doesn't happen here. \o/
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 10:25:44 pm
if that kinda thing happens i bet the mods will do somethng about it :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Asor on September 27, 2006, 10:26:55 pm
Yes! This is awesome news, especially now that it will be so much easier to spread the Machinae love ^_^. I havent heard anything bad about Spinefarm, but I dont either look that hard for it either. Awesome news.

Just remember to do as your heart tells and your fans(atleast me) will follow. Good luck, congratulations and I hope to see you having gigs. You guys are awesome and you make awesome music, I'm looking forward to seeing you play live somewhere, where ever it may be. I got to say that I'm damn proud of being part of the fanbase, being part of the community and being part of all this. And I'm damn happy to know that one day I can say in a music store/somewhere that I were a fan back in the days when MaSu werent (really well) known.

/me congratulates each and every band member, fan and random forum sicko :P
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Omega Target on September 27, 2006, 10:27:33 pm
As long as they don't get rid of Oki Kuma's Adventure then its good. Don't let them bitch you around  ;)

The new fans? Well there wont be a flood of them... Untill Redeemer hits the shelves... 8)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 10:32:39 pm
As long as they don't get rid of Oki Kuma's Adventure then its good. Don't let them bitch you around  ;)

The new fans? Well there wont be a flood of them... Untill Redeemer hits the shelves... 8)

The more the merrier I say. With the recent remodeling of the forums we've got plenty of room =)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Goshawk on September 27, 2006, 10:42:37 pm
Looks awesome, and thoroughly looking forward to the remastered album. Only thing is the blue scroll bars really look out of place and it's very slow atm.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on September 27, 2006, 10:46:36 pm
It's a little bit sad imho...

I won't be able to listen to the UE version before it runs out.  :-[ :'(

Other then that, meh, it's all good... for the moment. :D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: VOiD on September 27, 2006, 10:55:17 pm
There is no stopping the machin(a)e now.
Keep on rocking!

-Void
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: cloudstrifex on September 27, 2006, 11:19:21 pm
Well I am certainly having mixed feelings about this change. In a way it is good because now Machinae Supremacy will be getting big and I wont have to tell everyone who they are. But in a way it makes me a little sad. The lack of site releases in the future certainly is a thought I'm not used to. I always loved looking at the homepage and seeing a new song released. Also I used to love telling people about MaSu and saying even though they're underground they have great quality songs and 2 albums blah blah. But yeah even though I have gotten both Gordon's and Robert's assurance that the principles of the band are not changing, I can't help but feel a little uneasy.

Well as for the Retail it better be sold here in the United States. ;) That way I can convince all my friends to buy it. Also about playing live - now that you have (or will have) a booking agent you really need to come to the States. I can direct the agent to the Pepsi Arena at the capital of New York(which is really where I'd like you guys to come :)) But yeah just a suggestion I really would love to help in trying to get you guys out here!!! And also someone mentioned backstage passes earlier. If you came over to the states I want Gordon's and Rob's approval that I would get one! ;) :) (But seriously....)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on September 27, 2006, 11:29:16 pm
My immediate reaction was that you've sold out.

I completely understand the reasons that lead to this decision, though. If this is what you want, and you believe you can handle it, I can only congratulate you. :-*

But personally, I feel a great sadness over this whole thing. I've found that the songs I return to most often are the really old ones from "promo". I liked things the way they were, and regardless of what everyone says things won't be the same again. What about the rebellion? What about not joining the legion?

And what about creative control, if you can't even keep your website the way you want? Hiding the online releases away seems to me like turning your back on your roots; the community that has brought you this far.

Somehow I knew this was inevitable, though. I love your music, and I hope I'll be able to continue to enjoy it. It's just that Machinae has been one of the things that has given me strength in my many moments of weakness, and now you've been... bought. :'(
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: XooX on September 27, 2006, 11:30:39 pm
Is it only me that finds it ironic that Spinefarm wanted to take away "I refuse to fail, to kneel or bow" lol
btw, gz MaSu, I hope this will be a new era for MaSu.
Spread your music! Spread your ideas! Spread out! and reach world domination!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 11:33:29 pm
My immediate reaction was that you've sold out.

I completely understand the reasons that lead to this decision, though. If this is what you want, and you believe you can handle it, I can only congratulate you. :-*

But personally, I feel a great sadness over this whole thing. I've found that the songs I return to most often are the really old ones from "promo". I liked things the way they were, and regardless of what everyone says things won't be the same again. What about the rebellion? What about not joining the legion?

And what about creative control, if you can't even keep your website the way you want? Hiding the online releases away seems to me like turning your back on your roots; the community that has brought you this far.

Somehow I knew this was inevitable, though. I love your music, and I hope I'll be able to continue to enjoy it. It's just that Machinae has been one of the things that has given me strength in my many moments of weakness, and now you've been... bought. :'(

Maybe you should read this thread again? The website design was ours, not Spinefarms. What requirements they asked for you can find in an earlier post.

As for creative control, we got it. No one's gonna make us change the way we do things, and no one has. We evolve, sure, but our change is our own, and trust me when I say you'll never fail to recognize us, now or in the future.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 27, 2006, 11:36:26 pm
I have to say, I'm quite positive about this.

I was a big fan of machinae putting up their music for free, but im not upset that this might stop. We've already been given more than enough to keep us happy. and to be honest i LIKE paying money for my favourite music. i LOVE having a shiny cd with art and stuff. The band has made it very clear that their musical direction wont suffer from this move, and i believe them, they've never lied to us in the past, why would they lie now?

OK, here's my question... You've made it clear that the music wont be changed, but what about the artwork? Am i correct in understanding that the REDEEMER artwork will be dealt with by the label? is this gonna happen in future releases? I'm a huge fan of your artwork rob, it makes the albums so nice and fuzzy *hugs redeemer underground edition* and i dont want future album artwork to be done by some randomer.

Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 27, 2006, 11:37:27 pm
redeemer art work is by rob :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 27, 2006, 11:42:49 pm
I have to say, I'm quite positive about this.

I was a big fan of machinae putting up their music for free, but im not upset that this might stop. We've already been given more than enough to keep us happy. and to be honest i LIKE paying money for my favourite music. i LOVE having a shiny cd with art and stuff. The band has made it very clear that their musical direction wont suffer from this move, and i believe them, they've never lied to us in the past, why would they lie now?

OK, here's my question... You've made it clear that the music wont be changed, but what about the artwork? Am i correct in understanding that the REDEEMER artwork will be dealt with by the label? is this gonna happen in future releases? I'm a huge fan of your artwork rob, it makes the albums so nice and fuzzy *hugs redeemer underground edition* and i dont want future album artwork to be done by some randomer.

The new artwork is still done by me, so no worries there... Spinefarm has told us it's their policy not to interfere with how their bands compile their albums or whatever, but they did suggest some graphics people if we wanted help, but in the end they mostly say "Ok, it's your call."
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Ratti on September 27, 2006, 11:43:29 pm
since everybody's in such a talkative mood today...

Is there a chance of finding out how many units of Redeemer have actually been sold to date?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 27, 2006, 11:48:10 pm
The new artwork is still done by me, so no worries there... Spinefarm has told us it's their policy not to interfere with how their bands compile their albums or whatever, but they did suggest some graphics people if we wanted help, but in the end they mostly say "Ok, it's your call."

woo, thank god for that. ok i'm happy now. carry on rocking!

(oh yeah, and if you ever let the label change your music... i'll set fire to you. but that probably wont happen, so... yeah).

;D

am i gonna be able to get some action with the ladeez now? i'll be all like "yeah, i knew about machinae before they were popular... want sex?"

yep... awesome...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: cloudstrifex on September 27, 2006, 11:56:15 pm
Woah I just noticed they took off Super Steve for Flagcarrier!!! :'( Super Steve is my favorite song on DXM (and pretty much out of every song). Plus with the remastered Redeemer songs it seems all you did was dampen the SID (Same goes for DXM v2).

I have a question though: Will this new deal interfere with that War Angels deal or any other future video game music deals?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 11:56:40 pm
The new artwork is still done by me, so no worries there... Spinefarm has told us it's their policy not to interfere with how their bands compile their albums or whatever, but they did suggest some graphics people if we wanted help, but in the end they mostly say "Ok, it's your call."

woo, thank god for that. ok i'm happy now. carry on rocking!

(oh yeah, and if you ever let the label change your music... i'll set fire to you. but that probably wont happen, so... yeah).

;D

am i gonna be able to get some action with the ladeez now? i'll be all like "yeah, i knew about machinae before they were popular... want sex?"

yep... awesome...

Sweet, I always knew Robert would get us all laid.... heh

Good to hear about the artwork. One day when Rob isn't busy I'm going to beg (fixed) him to design me a tattoo. Now that I have this trinity logo, I want another bad. But I want it to mean something and what better way than to get the artist of Machinae himself to do it? :P

The only thing I noticed was I don't see the trinity logo anywhere on the new artwork and not very much on the new site (It's the bullet for the news, hehe). That will remain the bands logo right? (Now that it's etched permanently on my flesh) Hehe. I haven't seen anything that would make me think otherwise, as obviously a logo doesnt need to be plastered onto EVERYTHING. Hehe.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 27, 2006, 11:58:12 pm
Woah I just noticed they took off Super Steve for Flagcarrier!!! :'( Super Steve is my favorite song on DXM (and pretty much out of every song). Plus with the remastered Redeemer songs it seems all you did was dampen the SID (Same goes for DXM v2).

I have a question though: Will this new deal interfere with that War Angels deal or any other future video game music deals?

Excellent question, but 10 bucks says no. Hubnester appears to be intact and completely unchanged and I would imagine all video game related deals goes through THAT source. While many (most? All?) band members seem to be part of it, there are other people that are involved in that and it seems completely unrelated to Machinae in a technical or legal sense.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 28, 2006, 12:06:31 am
Ok... Empire, Kaori Stomp, Fury...

They were removed from the retail edition, which doesnt bother me cause i have them on the underground edition...

but what's gonna happen with the songs that inevitably get cut from the third album? are we gonna miss out on songs like Empire, Fury and Kaori Stomp in the future? That would not be good.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Outboundlight on September 28, 2006, 02:16:00 am
Fuck all this other shit.

Congratufuckinglations Machinae Supremacy.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Trezker on September 28, 2006, 02:24:17 am
The Underground Edition contains all the songs we made, and it was meant for ... You guessed it... The underground fans. The people who already know Machinae Supremacy.

The retail edition was meant to be a more "optimized" and not as long version, and meant for the new audience... A stepping stone into the sound of Machinae Supremacy.

You still have time to get the Underground Edition. We have several hundred copies left of it.

Mainstream mortals can't handle a full length edition, weaklings...

I think this is all good really. Everyone has been crying out for more gigs all around the world and now it may not be far off.

My only concern is that there is some really small invisible print in the contract that has been overlooked. But I think MaSu has the brains to make sure everything is in order.

The sound has changed dramatically from the old winterstorms and arcades and I hope it will continue to change. If a MaSu song ever sounds just like another I will be worried. The old times are history, history wont be forgotten and it shouldn't be rewritten. Hopefully there will be some stray song released on website (I hate singles) in the future and hopefully it will be something extraordinarily different.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: not12x on September 28, 2006, 02:55:03 am
I'm unbelievably sad over this.

I've been talking with a number of my friends locally, and with magicman and speedd, about you guys for a while now, and i've been saying something that is too unsettling.  I had been talking about how you guys had 'figuratively' sold out- your sound is changed, you dont release free songs nearly as much, you seem to be spending a lot less time doing what brought me (and many others, i believe) to you in the first place.
I look at my machinae library, which has the betas, and which i am not ashamed of listening to, and i think, what happened?  where is missing link?  earthbound?  why dont we have any songs like Winterstorm?  It's all gone... all that stuff that brought me back to my young years in front of my NES, its gone.  All that awesome stuff that made me proud to blast you on the highway... its gone.  You sound less... unique than you used to.

And i respect that.  I love you guys still.  But where you used to be my 'favorite' band, the band that i loved that was so unique and so brilliant and so radical that i had to make EVERYONE listen to... now you sound like a rock band.  Redeemer was a rock album, not a SID album.

And now this.

Yes, i'm making this out to be a lot bigger than it probably is.  but hear me out.  First off, one of the things that most bothers me is the fact that your record label is RIAA.  I dont care if you still want to *stick it to the man*, that doesnt mean ANYTHING.  In the realm of social actions, there is intent, and there is impact.  what you intend to do is rubbish if the impact is totally different.  you're 'intending' to stick it to the man, but what will end up happening is your profits will go to SF, who will pay their dues to RIAA, who will prosecute us filesharers even more.  THAT is the impact of your actions.
As for creative imput, i'm glad to see that you still have some control.  but i still have doubts.  Those in power can control those under them, and that is whats going to end up happen.  It'll be subtle, and it'll be  slow, but it'll happen.  To you, SF is your shot at bigtime.  to SF, you're another group to bank.  SF can find others, but for you guys, it'll be harder.

Intent versus Impact.  You're intending for this to be good, but the impact of this can only be bad in the long run.

Yes, i understand you want to reach out to new people, but dont forsake from whence you came.  The old fans, the old style, the old music, all must be respected.  Putting your old stuff, where some of your BEST material comes from, in a corner, is embarassing.  Be proud of who you are, even if you are different now!  Winterstorm, Sidstyler, Missing Link, Timeline, Hero, Legion of Stoopid, Loot Burn Rape Kill Repeat, Hybrid... those are MACHINAE SUPREMACY songs!  not 'songs from our past projects'.

I am happy for you, and i am sad for myself.  It seems that my favorite band has fallen out of my favor.  Maybe time will rectify, but i doubt it.  to quote William Shakespeare,

Quote from: King Lear, 4.6.260-264
Wherefore, bold peasant,/
Dar'st thou support a published traitor?  Hence,/
Lest that th'infection of his fortune take/
Like hold on thee.  Let go his arm!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: L'homme magique on September 28, 2006, 03:03:15 am
Let me quote not12x for emphasis.

Quote
Yes, i understand you want to reach out to new people, but dont forsake from whence you came.  The old fans, the old style, the old music, all must be respected.  Putting your old stuff, where some of your BEST material comes from, in a corner, is embarassing.  Be proud of who you are, even if you are different now!  Winterstorm, Sidstyler, Missing Link, Timeline, Hero, Legion of Stoopid, Loot Burn Rape Kill Repeat, Hybrid... those are MACHINAE SUPREMACY songs!  not 'songs from our past projects'.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: harvey danger on September 28, 2006, 03:41:58 am
I say: whatever. Changes are regrettable, but it's how the world works. I support the band 100% in whatever they do.

The music may be different, but the people making it are the same.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on September 28, 2006, 04:04:56 am
Time will tell. For now, rock on, metal gods.

/bow




....and back to lurking!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lexx on September 28, 2006, 04:25:45 am
but what's gonna happen with the songs that inevitably get cut from the third album?

Inevitably? Jumping the gun a bit..

Oh.. and congratulations, Machinae Supremacy!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ibmman85 on September 28, 2006, 04:55:42 am
  Although my post count isn't very high, I've been around here since I first heard gianna sisters and sidology on scenemusic.net.. immediately caught my attention because I like to rock, I'm rather a geek, and there was such awesome songwriting that seemed to be going on there, even without any vocals or anything, the songs seemed to have real personality. So I've been following pretty closely for 4 or 5 years, bought V1 of both albums, and tried as much as I could to get people I knew to listen (with fairly good success). I've always felt that some sort of label had to be involved eventually, especially with how much the band has persisted and persisted in the face of adversity. Amazing to have accomplished all of this alone, and it's always been pretty amazing. I consider this to be more like levelling up. because now the possibilities have once again opened up, and this time it's gonna be over the whole fricking world this time, physical and on the net. I don't think the evolution of the band will change at all, any more than it would have anyway. I can't really say I liked Redeemer more than DXM, partially because I didn't think it had quite as much unique character but some of that was also the mix being a little fatiguing to me, but I think that will have been at least somewhat changed now.
   At any rate, even if you can't get around to playing in the US anytime soon (please, we could use some better music here...) a live DVD would be quite wonderful at some point too  ;D Oh and maybe eventually something with a real symphony/orchestra, or is that kind of cliche now...

A hearty Kanpai!! and Ganbatte!! To the band on this success (and that which is to come) and because I fully support Robert's liking of Japanese things.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Turtle on September 28, 2006, 06:26:39 am
The band definitely deserves a big congrats on this... ;D

Will this eventually lead to the downfall of Machinae Supremacy? Doubt it. Let's wait and see what happens. As long as the awesome music keeps coming at a good pace, all shall be good.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: cloudstrifex on September 28, 2006, 07:20:58 am
Ok Rob I have a confession to make. I think the remastered version of Redeemer is a step in the wrong direction. It just sounds so fake and well...wrong. The drums for one sound really fake, and the SID is basically just being lowered which is the thing that pisses me off the most. I also had these feelings about DXM v2, but not as much because the SID dampering was not as much. But now it just seems that you guys went a little too far I think. It's almost as if you're forgetting your "heritage" so to speak. I remember when it used to be about making songs where the SID just fit right in, even if it was louder than the rest of the instruments. Now it seems as if you are almost embarassed (sorry for lack of a better word I can't really think of any other word to describe it) to keep the SID at a reasonable volume. Now it seems like I have to work just to hear it. I agree with not12x when she said the overall style is turning more metal or darker and a lot less SID is involved. This deeply saddens me and I wish you could go back and change the remastering of it. I don't know that this is an overall good step for the band. Pretty soon there are going to be songs without any synth at all! (okay maybe not but you know what I mean)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Einkoro on September 28, 2006, 07:33:41 am
My thoughts on this are pretty much in line with not12x and magicman. However, being a web developer/designer I have some additional things to add for Robert:

I remember you have said it before, and you said it again here - you do not like doing web stuff. Then don't, because it shows. You are very good at art, but there is no functionality in art - there is only functionality in design. Now that you have Spinefarm, I'm very sure they can put you in contact to work directly with some developer(s) and designer(s) who do web stuff for a living and could hopefully put together a much better site (otherwise they aren't worth their salt as designer/developers).

The first thing that strikes me is the fonts - they are a bitch to read. They weren't easy to read on the last site, and they are even harder to read now. The navigation fonts used in the images are bigger, but they are very hard to read because of that grunge look. The contrast is awful, dark grey on black makes things even harder to read.

Second thing that strikes me is when I view the source - frames sucked back in 1996 (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html) and for the most part died after 1999 and they died out for several good reasons. There are also other ways to achieve the same functionality/goals without the downsides thanks to CSS (http://www.w3.org/Style/) and languages such as PHP (http://www.php.net/), Perl and even server side includes.

Third - tables are for tabular data (http://davespicks.com/essays/notables.html), not layout. CSS (http://www.w3.org/Style/) is for layout.

Fourth - the site is not standards compliant (http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.machinaesupremacy.com%2F). Browsers are designed to the standards defined by the w3c (http://www.w3.org/TR/) and for a web page to work properly in a rendering engine that is standards compliant it must also be standards compliant. It isn't a huge issue for everyone yet, as most browsers such as Firefox still fall back to quirks mode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode) (the reason the new site displays 'fine'), but it is something that needs to end sooner rather than later.

Fifth - Disabling the right click (http://www.sitepoint.com/article/dont-disable-right-click). I didn't notice this because I browse with javascript disabled. But the practice is bad. It breaks expected functionality of the web browser and is a inconvienance to users trying to browse the site.

You can ignore my opinion, both as a professional web developer/designer/consultant and a user of the internet, or choose to do something about it. Your call.


Now onto what I think about the new sound of the remastered/remixed redeemer clips. I don't like it. I did not like the remastered version of ghost posted up long ago and I wasn't really fond of the remastered version of Deus Ex Machinae. Where I prefered the orginal DXM mastering and didn't really think the new one was bad, just different - the difference between the new redeemer clips/ghost and the orginals are night and day in a bad way.

Three random bits from conversations relating to this that I found some what amusing and true:

[19:50] Einkoro: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/
[19:50] ImustDIE: looks so emo

[20:53] Nathan: I'd like the new sound too...if I was deaf

[21:48] Nathan: fuck I hate this site..I liked the last one better
[21:49] Nathan: I liked the one before that even more
[21:53] Nathan: really...site wise..it's the style the older one was...it was clean and easy to read/navigate ect. the one for redeemer was just really small text with no real design...this new one is just...borderline emo
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Trezker on September 28, 2006, 08:36:11 am
I agree with the latest posts about the music becoming so clean and feeling too ordinary.

I like chaos, I like the old stuff because it's rough in all the edges.
Sure I love A.C.T who makes perfect music without a single mistake anywhere, but they're making music that's so much more complex in my ears. A.C.T is just about the only band where being perfect is acceptable.

I mostly listen to artists that have rough edges and lots of chaos. My favourite mention among them is Slipknot that just has so much mashing going on it's unbelievable.

So I think I'm simply saying that if you want to make clean music you should increase the complexity a couple of notches.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 09:06:54 am
Ok... Empire, Kaori Stomp, Fury...

They were removed from the retail edition, which doesnt bother me cause i have them on the underground edition...

but what's gonna happen with the songs that inevitably get cut from the third album? are we gonna miss out on songs like Empire, Fury and Kaori Stomp in the future? That would not be good.

They'll go on the fourth? Or they won't exist... If we now need less songs for an album, we'll probably focus more on getting even more out of every single song, and still finish an album in 20-30% less time than we have before...

Glass half full.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 09:08:22 am
The only thing I noticed was I don't see the trinity logo anywhere on the new artwork and not very much on the new site (It's the bullet for the news, hehe). That will remain the bands logo right? (Now that it's etched permanently on my flesh) Hehe. I haven't seen anything that would make me think otherwise, as obviously a logo doesnt need to be plastered onto EVERYTHING. Hehe.

The Trinity logo isn't going anywhere, but yeah... It would be kind of tiresome to base all artwork on it all the time...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Viherminttu on September 28, 2006, 09:21:10 am
i havent said my 2 cents yet.. and to be honest.. ive been thinking about this all day.. i dont have anything to say that hasnt already been said before.. bands change, its inevitable. music is an art form, and as an art student we were always taught to keep experimenting and trying new things. to stay within a comfort zone is bad. i accept that MaSu is going to change, it will develop and grow, and one day maybe Ill get to see them live.

A record deal isnt bad. It was the next inevitable step for them to take.

Gratz guys. <3
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Valentine Revolution on September 28, 2006, 09:21:43 am
"Sell out" is a phrase that gets thrown about a lot these days. I've been into several bands that have changed record label or sound over the years (AFI, PM5k etc) Seems to me people only like "underground" bands for the sake of being "underground", as opposed to any regard to what the band themselves think or feel. Haven't we been waiting for this day to happen? I certainly have. I want to see Machinae CDs instore, I want to see them tour and play wherever they like (Reading Fest mkay?), I want to see videos, hear em on the radio, whatever. If you stop liking a band for something as silly as who they work for, then wahtever. I'll stop liking them when the music sounds shit.

I don't agree that Redeemer wasn't a SiD album, the SiD is there but in a much more mature way than the web releases. Redeemer tracks weren't bathed in SiD just for the hell of it, but it was used quietly and in the right places for impact, but this is a whole other discussion ;)

Kinda agree with teh remastering being a bit ...weird though, but I'm not an expert, nor am I really that big a music fan, so meh, I don't understand it all anyway.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on September 28, 2006, 09:26:17 am
First: if Lexx is positive about it, it can't be all bad.

Second: Self-righteousness about the choices of some other entity is bullshit. Like people getting angry that a sports team traded someone. Fuck off, it's just some people you'll never meet making a decision, which people are allowed to do. We may never get another Masquerade or Follower or Hubnester inferno, but that's because they've already been done. Whether this will be more akin to Anne Rice going from vampire novels to lesbian porn than to steve burns going from blues clues to a musical career remains to be seen, but it's also going to be subjective. Philosophizing at the band won't change their mind, and seems condescending, as though they are your personal musical monkeys. Bad machinae! bad! i told you to stay away from the labels! bad!

bah.

On an unrelated note, i never understood why commercial cds aren't allowed to be more than like 50 minutes. Why cut perfectly good, mastered songs from a cd? wouldn't more material increase perceived value as well as appeal? it's like buying a book with the last half of the pages blank.

I will be going about my daily life as though nothing is different because nothing is different. If machsup never again release something which is pleasing to my ears (something which i very much doubt), I will still have a massive library of stuff that IS, and there are always more bands which, believe it or not, can at times be on par with them.

Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 09:38:57 am
I'm unbelievably sad over this.

I've been talking with a number of my friends locally, and with magicman and speedd, about you guys for a while now, and i've been saying something that is too unsettling.  I had been talking about how you guys had 'figuratively' sold out- your sound is changed, you dont release free songs nearly as much, you seem to be spending a lot less time doing what brought me (and many others, i believe) to you in the first place.
I look at my machinae library, which has the betas, and which i am not ashamed of listening to, and i think, what happened?  where is missing link?  earthbound?  why dont we have any songs like Winterstorm?  It's all gone... all that stuff that brought me back to my young years in front of my NES, its gone.  All that awesome stuff that made me proud to blast you on the highway... its gone.  You sound less... unique than you used to.

And i respect that.  I love you guys still.  But where you used to be my 'favorite' band, the band that i loved that was so unique and so brilliant and so radical that i had to make EVERYONE listen to... now you sound like a rock band.  Redeemer was a rock album, not a SID album.

And now this.

Yes, i'm making this out to be a lot bigger than it probably is.  but hear me out.  First off, one of the things that most bothers me is the fact that your record label is RIAA.  I dont care if you still want to *stick it to the man*, that doesnt mean ANYTHING.  In the realm of social actions, there is intent, and there is impact.  what you intend to do is rubbish if the impact is totally different.  you're 'intending' to stick it to the man, but what will end up happening is your profits will go to SF, who will pay their dues to RIAA, who will prosecute us filesharers even more.  THAT is the impact of your actions.
As for creative imput, i'm glad to see that you still have some control.  but i still have doubts.  Those in power can control those under them, and that is whats going to end up happen.  It'll be subtle, and it'll be  slow, but it'll happen.  To you, SF is your shot at bigtime.  to SF, you're another group to bank.  SF can find others, but for you guys, it'll be harder.

Intent versus Impact.  You're intending for this to be good, but the impact of this can only be bad in the long run.

Yes, i understand you want to reach out to new people, but dont forsake from whence you came.  The old fans, the old style, the old music, all must be respected.  Putting your old stuff, where some of your BEST material comes from, in a corner, is embarassing.  Be proud of who you are, even if you are different now!  Winterstorm, Sidstyler, Missing Link, Timeline, Hero, Legion of Stoopid, Loot Burn Rape Kill Repeat, Hybrid... those are MACHINAE SUPREMACY songs!  not 'songs from our past projects'.

I am happy for you, and i am sad for myself.  It seems that my favorite band has fallen out of my favor.  Maybe time will rectify, but i doubt it.  to quote William Shakespeare,

Quote from: King Lear, 4.6.260-264
Wherefore, bold peasant,/
Dar'st thou support a published traitor?  Hence,/
Lest that th'infection of his fortune take/
Like hold on thee.  Let go his arm!

Wow... Where to start... .

So "free songs" brought you to us? Ok, that's fair... We did nothing but free songs in the beginning, because what else were we supposed to do? Sit on them and hide them from the public in the hopes of getting a record deal? No way... We don't do that.

Then, before ever having a shot at releasing an album, we did DXM... And just before we finished it, someone contacted us about releasing it... Such a joyous day. It was wonderful for us, the chance to make an A L B U M just like grown-ups do... Wonderful, so we did... The MBD Records contract was very favourable for us, but a contract nontheless. And I didn't hear anyone complain then.

We recorded and mixed DXM to the best of our abilities and the result you've all heard... Then for the new release, v2, we realized we could make it better, so we did. And the same with Redeemer... When we finished it, we stood again without a means to release it... But this time we did what we refused to do before... We decided to sell it ourselves... To handle all crap with a webshop and all that so that we could get our album out... Then we're contacted by some record labels, who we turn down because there would be no sense in taking just any label... But then Hannu at Spinefarm had heard our underground edition at a friend's place, and contacted us. He asked if we were DIY on principle or if we'd consider a record contract.

We said, "If the right label and contract comes along, sure."

And now the retail edition has been mixed and mastered, and again it's better than the old one. The music has more punch, there's less mud and more clarity, and it sounds "expensive", imo... Who'd have thought that our home-recorded crap could sound this expensive? It's amazing...

So you see, again we do to the best of our abilities... The underground edition was the best we could do when we finished it. Now, with some pro help and an extra year of experience, the retail edition is the best we can do.

... And we ARE a rock band. That's all we ever wanted to be. We are a real band who play real music, and we play rock (or metal or hard rock, whatever you want to call it). We absolutely love the SID aspect to our sound, and we don't plan to EVER let that go, or even lessen it, but we don't go out of our way to make it dominate the sound, either... We use SID where and when we feel it makes a song better.

Some of you might say "the more sid the better", sure... But we prefer to put everything in it's place, because the SONG is more important than the SID. Even if the SID is awesomefuckingcool as a concept and an instrument.

And let's examine how much money WE will provide to RIAA or even to Spinefarm... Small-time bands (which we are in the "real" world, where are 3 million downloads do not count) do not sell an abusive amount of albums... And SF has already spent a lot on us for only the mixing and mastering...

Let's get something straight, too ... We don't sit around with delusions of "bigtime". We just want to reach out, go out and play live and gain ground where we haven't before. You say the impact of this can only be bad in the long run. Like some remote viewer you know what we will do and what will happen to us. How little you think of us, it seems... Did you use to like us?

What we intend you should all know by now. And what the impact is, you really don't. Not yet. So don't pretend to predict our demise or "inevitable" (popular word today) crossing to the dark side.

Do you know that our label manager, Hannu, is a 27 year old headbanger from Finland? Just consider that for a moment, and give the fins some cred!  8)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 28, 2006, 09:52:21 am
Quote
We absolutely love the SID aspect to our sound, and we don't plan to EVER let that go, or even lessen it, but we don't go out of our way to make it dominate the sound, either

*cough*Arcade*cough*  ::)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on September 28, 2006, 10:27:40 am
Maybe you should read this thread again? The website design was ours, not Spinefarms. What requirements they asked for you can find in an earlier post.

As for creative control, we got it. No one's gonna make us change the way we do things, and no one has. We evolve, sure, but our change is our own, and trust me when I say you'll never fail to recognize us, now or in the future.

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The website has been revamped according to the wishes of our new corporate overlords, hence this new outlook.

Yeah, right.  :(
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Turtle on September 28, 2006, 10:36:02 am
+karma to robert.
The new sig quote rocks, by the way.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 10:45:19 am
Maybe you should read this thread again? The website design was ours, not Spinefarms. What requirements they asked for you can find in an earlier post.

As for creative control, we got it. No one's gonna make us change the way we do things, and no one has. We evolve, sure, but our change is our own, and trust me when I say you'll never fail to recognize us, now or in the future.

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The website has been revamped according to the wishes of our new corporate overlords, hence this new outlook.

Yeah, right.  :(

Keyword being "wish", not "command" or "instruction" or "rule" or "apocalyptic doomforce"...

Their wishes being "more pictures, and a biography"... And here's a tip for you to use in your future life... When someone gives you good advice, take it.

Doesn't people get sarcasm these days? Isn't it obvious that me using the phrase "our corporate overlords" pretty much shows they don't tell us what to do? :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 10:55:33 am
My thoughts on this are pretty much in line with not12x and magicman. However, being a web developer/designer I have some additional things to add for Robert:

I remember you have said it before, and you said it again here - you do not like doing web stuff. Then don't, because it shows. You are very good at art, but there is no functionality in art - there is only functionality in design. Now that you have Spinefarm, I'm very sure they can put you in contact to work directly with some developer(s) and designer(s) who do web stuff for a living and could hopefully put together a much better site (otherwise they aren't worth their salt as designer/developers).

The first thing that strikes me is the fonts - they are a bitch to read. They weren't easy to read on the last site, and they are even harder to read now. The navigation fonts used in the images are bigger, but they are very hard to read because of that grunge look. The contrast is awful, dark grey on black makes things even harder to read.

Second thing that strikes me is when I view the source - frames sucked back in 1996 (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html) and for the most part died after 1999 and they died out for several good reasons. There are also other ways to achieve the same functionality/goals without the downsides thanks to CSS (http://www.w3.org/Style/) and languages such as PHP (http://www.php.net/), Perl and even server side includes.

Third - tables are for tabular data (http://davespicks.com/essays/notables.html), not layout. CSS (http://www.w3.org/Style/) is for layout.

Fourth - the site is not standards compliant (http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.machinaesupremacy.com%2F). Browsers are designed to the standards defined by the w3c (http://www.w3.org/TR/) and for a web page to work properly in a rendering engine that is standards compliant it must also be standards compliant. It isn't a huge issue for everyone yet, as most browsers such as Firefox still fall back to quirks mode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode) (the reason the new site displays 'fine'), but it is something that needs to end sooner rather than later.

Fifth - Disabling the right click (http://www.sitepoint.com/article/dont-disable-right-click). I didn't notice this because I browse with javascript disabled. But the practice is bad. It breaks expected functionality of the web browser and is a inconvienance to users trying to browse the site.

You can ignore my opinion, both as a professional web developer/designer/consultant and a user of the internet, or choose to do something about it. Your call.


Now onto what I think about the new sound of the remastered/remixed redeemer clips. I don't like it. I did not like the remastered version of ghost posted up long ago and I wasn't really fond of the remastered version of Deus Ex Machinae. Where I prefered the orginal DXM mastering and didn't really think the new one was bad, just different - the difference between the new redeemer clips/ghost and the orginals are night and day in a bad way.

Three random bits from conversations relating to this that I found some what amusing and true:

[19:50] Einkoro: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/
[19:50] ImustDIE: looks so emo

[20:53] Nathan: I'd like the new sound too...if I was deaf

[21:48] Nathan: fuck I hate this site..I liked the last one better
[21:49] Nathan: I liked the one before that even more
[21:53] Nathan: really...site wise..it's the style the older one was...it was clean and easy to read/navigate ect. the one for redeemer was just really small text with no real design...this new one is just...borderline emo

... Uhm... I fixed the right-click now... Can't we compromise? Meet half-way? The right-click is half-way, right? :D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Elrond on September 28, 2006, 11:05:30 am
Damn. Has it really been 5 months since I've posted last? I always visit from time to time too. Trippy.
Anyway, I've caught on with all the news and I figured it was time to log back on so I could say congratulations.
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S  MACHINAE SUPREMACY!
This is great news!
I will await the day that I can find the next album in stores in Northern California and then see you guys perform at The Warfield in San Francisco.
Just keep your dreams alive and hold up that optimism. It'll get you places.
I will continue to stand by as a loyal fan and friend and will support you guys through this new era.
HOOORAY
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Welc on September 28, 2006, 11:45:43 am
Do you know that our label manager, Hannu, is a 27 year old headbanger from Finland? Just consider that for a moment, and give the fins some cred!  8)

Not cred.

Gigs!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on September 28, 2006, 12:02:47 pm
Keyword being "wish", not "command" or "instruction" or "rule" or "apocalyptic doomforce"...

Their wishes being "more pictures, and a biography"... And here's a tip for you to use in your future life... When someone gives you good advice, take it.

Doesn't people get sarcasm these days? Isn't it obvious that me using the phrase "our corporate overlords" pretty much shows they don't tell us what to do? :)

You could easily have modified the old page and added those things. For each update, things just get more and more mainstream. But to succeed in the commercial world, I suppose that's what required.

Perhaps we should change "Gordon approves" to "Spinefarm approves"?

As not12x wrote, giving the RIAA the finger with one hand while signing a contract with the other is just hypocrisy. However, I understand the reasons behind this; "doing it yourself" for anything more than an obscure underground band is just too much work (being in that scene myself, I know the difficulties and how much time it consumes).

However, while I still appreciate your music, it feels like you're straying farther and farther away from your old ideals (or what appeared to be your ideals at the time). You're starting to feel more like "just another rock band I happen to listen to" than the rebels I once knew, something genuine and fresh that dared to question. But I suppose you never really cared about being rebels just for the sake of it; it seems all you've ever wanted to do is just rock, but that's your decision and it's fine with me.

The recent events will probably bring you more fame than before, and you really deserve it. You'll probably lose some old fans in the process (or they'll just remain remembering "the old days" and what Machinae used to be), but you can't please everyone so that's just the way of things I suppose. I'll continue to support you, and I hope you will prove there was no need for my fears. It's just too early to say yet if the change is for the better or worse.

Go ahead and flame me for being an asshole and not cheering with the rest of you, but Machinae has always meant something "more" (than just a band; something to rely on) to me, and it feels like that era just came to an end. "But it's still the same!", you say. Well, we'll see.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fensty on September 28, 2006, 12:12:22 pm
I've been reading through this thread a bit, and I have this to say: All naysayers, when you get your OWN record deal, THEN you might be entitled to say this.

As a fan of Machinae for going on two years now, I know what songs I like, and which ones I don't, and my favourite songs are from the albums... which are contracted. No one in their right mind would go "Oh, yeah, print it using our label, we don't care.", Spinefarm have signed Machinae so that the band can use them as a venue to perform, and make more music. This means that other people can do the hard work, and the band can focus ENTIRELY on making music, which I believe is the most important thing. "They sold out"? Sure, maybe... I would, if it would mean more people hear my music, and it makes it easier for me to make that music. Some of you have got this vision of "Fight the Power!" into your heads and are unwilling to let it go, thinking that the label are some evil conglomerate out to make heaps of money from poor bands, and give nothing back. They're in it for BOTH groups, and I know for a fact there ain't that much money involved. And who the f##k would object to more MaSu? If you are making a huge fuss over getting free music off the site, well, you obviously don't really like the band. Give and take, that's what it's all about. You can't just take, you gotta give some back. I have RUE, and will CERTAINLY be getting RRE, because I like the band, and want to support them.

So, for those of you who have been going on and on about the band "Selling out", "betraying their ethics", and "joining the evil Empire", here's what I say to you: GET OVER IT.


*sigh* Now that that's said, congrats to Rob, Jonne, Poe, Gordon and Tomas. That label was a long time coming, and I look forward to the next album.

Also, question: if RRE's being produced under the Spinefarm label, will it be available via MachinaeShop, or will I have to wait for a retail store over here to get it?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Thornflower on September 28, 2006, 12:12:46 pm
WEE! The news made me scream like a little girl. It gives one hope for the world when GOOD bands get a good chance. And despite what many have said in this topic, I don't think the band will sell out or loose their sound. If any band should be capable of remaining true to themselves after signing, it would be Machinae. Congratulations and good luck to the band! n_n
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Elrond on September 28, 2006, 12:26:18 pm
Is it wrong to appreciate good music? Is it wrong to want to spread good music to the world? Is it wrong to want good music to sound the best that it can sound? The fact being that it is not wrong at all. Machinae Supremacy is doing what they love to do, and in order to continue to do that they are going to have to take necessary measures. If Machinae continues to stay underground there is a possibility this will tire them and affect their everyday lives. Thus bringing a quicker end to their legacy. It is much too difficult for them to continue on their own. They're big boys now and as it was mentioned earlier, they've been doing this for 6 years. Let SF take a load off their backs, they earned it. They will continue to do their best making great music the way they want to make it. Nobody is changing them. Do you guys really want all of their songs to sound exactly the same? Musically they are going to mature and evolve to new sounds. That is a given for any good band. Just remember, they are making this music for us and the way it sounds represents where they are at in their lives at that moment. You people should not be so worried about what the band decides to do. If you want to hear their old songs, go listen to them. If you don't like the remixed version of Redeemer, then don't buy it. Listen to the old one. If you don't like the direction they are going in, tough shit. As long as somebody keeps listening to them, they will keep making music. That's what it is all about. Making good music. So stop complaining.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Viherminttu on September 28, 2006, 12:28:00 pm
^ w0rd.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 12:32:45 pm
Keyword being "wish", not "command" or "instruction" or "rule" or "apocalyptic doomforce"...

Their wishes being "more pictures, and a biography"... And here's a tip for you to use in your future life... When someone gives you good advice, take it.

Doesn't people get sarcasm these days? Isn't it obvious that me using the phrase "our corporate overlords" pretty much shows they don't tell us what to do? :)

You could easily have modified the old page and added those things. For each update, things just get more and more mainstream. But to succeed in the commercial world, I suppose that's what required.

Perhaps we should change "Gordon approves" to "Spinefarm approves"?

As not12x wrote, giving the RIAA the finger with one hand while signing a contract with the other is just hypocrisy. However, I understand the reasons behind this; "doing it yourself" for anything more than an obscure underground band is just too much work (being in that scene myself, I know the difficulties and how much time it consumes).

However, while I still appreciate your music, it feels like you're straying farther and farther away from your old ideals (or what appeared to be your ideals at the time). You're starting to feel more like "just another rock band I happen to listen to" than the rebels I once knew, something genuine and fresh that dared to question. But I suppose you never really cared about being rebels just for the sake of it; it seems all you've ever wanted to do is just rock, but that's your decision and it's fine with me.

The recent events will probably bring you more fame than before, and you really deserve it. You'll probably lose some old fans in the process (or they'll just remain remembering "the old days" and what Machinae used to be), but you can't please everyone so that's just the way of things I suppose. I'll continue to support you, and I hope you will prove there was no need for my fears. It's just too early to say yet if the change is for the better or worse.

Go ahead and flame me for being an asshole and not cheering with the rest of you, but Machinae has always meant something "more" (than just a band; something to rely on) to me, and it feels like that era just came to an end. "But it's still the same!", you say. Well, we'll see.

Dear sir... I hear what you're saying, but I have to inform you that if you were to keep tabs on all indirect links in the world, you'd find yourself very disappointed... And if you were to take distance from everything that LEADS UP to something malevolent, you'd narrow your path quite a lot ... Like for instance, I wonder how many who surf IGN know that it's owned by the News Corporation, which is owned by among others Rupert Murdoch, one of the benefactors of George Bush and the worldwide extreme-right agenda they're pushing.

Keep checking, and you're likely to find that a lot of things you think is "independent" is owned by "evil" people. The Fox Network, who broadcast Simpsons among other cherished series, are also owned by The News Corporation. Do you boycot Simpsons?

If we want to fight the way things are in the world, we can't do it by hiding in the woods.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Viherminttu on September 28, 2006, 12:50:46 pm
you cant make everyone happy.. in time the fans that are so upset about this will realise that this isnt a bad move for you guys.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 28, 2006, 12:51:21 pm
Not to continue anything this just gonna be what i feel about the record deal and maybe some insights also!

Well I've been a masu fan now for 5 years soon and I also know the band members personally and I gotta say they are the sweets kind of people you know. I dont ever gonna believe that they would become corporate sellouts or anything! Why? Because I know they are feet on the ground kinda people. They actually care about the fans and actually they listen to them!

What about i feel of the deal well I think is great finally they get the change they deserve and more people will be able to see the band LIVE! Like Rob said they have the final word and like he said they used it allready. Everybody knows that big record labels also gotta think about themselves. They but alot of money just releasing a cd and marketing it. So they have some demands like the website style etc maybe they want some songs out of the albums but in the end like Rob said they have the final word! Rob told me that i can say i heard few songs of the new mixing and what i can say everything is much better. Sounds are more clearer, SID's come out muuuuch better, singing is louder, guitars come out so hard it blows up your head. Well i dont got anything else to add to this I just hope that everyone will buy the record and dont go to the mood "OMG THEY SOLD OUT!" This is the big chance to every fan to buy the record in a store next to them and maybe see them live in the hometown!

and now I'm gonna do something evil and rip Rob!

"Peace! and out!"
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Trezker on September 28, 2006, 01:41:15 pm
I'm too lazy to move my ass over to a music store, heck I don't even know where I can find one here in Skövde...
I like ordering on the net.

I just thought of something, what will happen to the game music production?
Will you be doing only albums for the music industry or will you have room to make music for the game scene too?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Jonkan on September 28, 2006, 01:44:17 pm
Seriously. I hope this will be a breakthrough for the band and will be a way to spread their great music.
I'm all for it! Let's just hope Spinefarm goes all Sony or something on them. :) Then we fans just have to raid the labelcompany if that happens! :D
We fans are supposed to support them in all times! Ups and downs. :)

May thee all be Redeemed once again! ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on September 28, 2006, 01:53:41 pm
If we want to fight the way things are in the world, we can't do it by hiding in the woods.

Let us hope, then, that you will bring your experiences and ideals into the "professional" music industry, and reform (or revolutionize) it, rather than letting it kick you around? Can you promise us that you will [try]? ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 03:41:13 pm
I just thought of something, what will happen to the game music production?
Will you be doing only albums for the music industry or will you have room to make music for the game scene too?

That's one of the big perks, actually. We'll have a lot more time to make game music, as well as focus on our band
music now. We even made them put in the contract that they have no jurisdiction over our game music production.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Viherminttu on September 28, 2006, 03:42:19 pm
sounds good :) I for one look forward to hearing more of your game music
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 03:43:27 pm
If we want to fight the way things are in the world, we can't do it by hiding in the woods.

Let us hope, then, that you will bring your experiences and ideals into the "professional" music industry, and reform (or revolutionize) it, rather than letting it kick you around? Can you promise us that you will [try]? ;)

Just watch...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ktulu on September 28, 2006, 04:04:37 pm
I can't belive this! One day, just ONE DAY offline (my winxp just had to crash for no apparent reason) and I find this astronomical change/update/news!?!?!?!

Ok, I've read through 11 pages of this topic, so I'm a bit tired from all the reading (yep, read it all... *sigh*).
I hope that the band members will read this and that my post won't fell worn out and less important (I know it won't). I'm not a very old forum member, but I'm a real hardcore Machinae Supremacy fan for some time now, and for the right things (I belive).
This is gonna be a long post.

So, I want to say that I'm immesurabely, immensely and totally jaw-dropingly amazed and thrilled for this major step (it is major, any way you put it), I'm really happy for you guys, I think you finally got the chance you so much deserve. I mean, I can actually visualize a MaSu album in record stores in Serbia... this idea is amazing to me. I know that this won't come instantly, but the very chance of having that is great :).
The Machinae is spreading. This is allways a good thing. I know people say that just because of that, the band will loose its cool and underground scene status/feel, and this is inevitable, to a degree. It all really depends on the band.
You see, now you have more chances, more opportunities, more gigs (hopefully), more neck choking from the publisher, more problems and tough times as well. But that's what growing up is really (I wouldn't know tho :)) ).

The question is, do you want to? I believe so. This has been proven in the Redeemer album. That's another topic right there. Redeemer sounds very different from the old songs like Winterstorm, March of the Undead 2, Soundtrack to the Rebellion etc. And I have to say this, MaSu have allready changed their style of music to a degree, and the SID "sound" (not just the ACTUAL chiptune sounds) has changed, grown and evolved if you will.
I tottaly back up the band with this. I know Robert is going in this direction by reading his posts here, and I am sure that the MaSu sound will change even more. I see this as a good thing. I have to say that Ronin, Hate, I know the Reaper, Rogue World Asylum, TTLG and Reanimator are my favorite songs (and not just because I "acquired" the album only recently).
The C64 music spirit is still there, even in Redeemer, the very themes (lyrics and melody-wise) are... well, weird and fresh by "normal mainstream standards", that's the reason why some people don't like MaSu, and that's the very reason I LOVE THEM :).

One more thing, which I think would be cool. I know that the band won't have much free time now, with the Spinefarm records deal, but it would be nice if you guys would realease songs (from time to time, in your free time) for free, for the site, that won't come in any album (well maybe for the 20th year anniversary when all of you get filthy rich and Rob becomes president of the EuroAsiamerica LOL). You know, just themes and mellodies that you come across and don't put in your albums, messing around in the studio while having nothing better to do. I'm talking about more Sidologyies, more instrumentals and more SID remixes (as you have done in the past years).
I know this is asking a lot, I'm aware of that, but this is one of the main reasons I heard about MaSu and why I love this band.

What I'm trying to say is, go forth, bravely into the new world, expand your horizons and ideas, evolve your sound, but from time to time, play some nostalgic music, just for the hardcore fans and never forget the C64 scene spirit. I am not saying that you are right now, but "with great power comes great responsibility" ;).

Oh yeah, about the site (sorry for being so abnoxiuosly boring), I don't really like the functionality of it. I mean, it looks great but easier reading = easier informing = more fans :). On the other hand, I love the idea of puting more pics of the band + the wallpapers, it's awesome and this is allways a good thing for attracting fans (looking like mean badasses makes people worship you ;) ).

Hmm, I haven't yet heard the remastered soundclips, but I'll coment on that later :).

So, now that you actually have a label, I'm sure people will start treating you with more respect (I'm talking about the media and such), not the fans :) ), so I was wondering if there is a chance that Machinae Supremacy will be able to play on the EXIT music festival here in Serbia (I'm sure some of you guys have heard of it... I hope...). A lot of famous bands/stars play here (for ex. Billy Idol was here this year and he rocked).
I'll do what ever I can to spread the word here, maybe even find some of the organizers of EXIT and convince them to call you (this is wishfull thinking, I know, but more and more people here start to listen to MaSu and EXIT being a still fresh and openminded music festival might turn out to be the winning combo :) ).


Anyway, I've blurbed out a lot of stuff people allready said here, but I just wanted to say my 2 cents and cheer the band. I know you will do good :D.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 28, 2006, 04:57:17 pm
I vote you make a forum for all the machinae fans before RE is to hit the shelves. The forums are no doubt going to be swarmed with "OMFG MAKINAYE IS SO COOL!!11 <3 TRGH LKING GLSS", and I'm sure we'd all like a safe haven to pay homage to the past. ;)
 
But what you said, Robert. About the album sounding "clearer" and less "muddy" (or similar). That's what made Redeemer what it was, and that's why many loved it. And expensive? Who gives a damn about whether it's mixed by pros or not? Doesn't always mean the result is top notch. 
 But hey, now you're having others compile the albums f or you, why not spill the secrets on how YOU GUYS recorded and mixed the UE? I'm sure many would love to see how it was done. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 05:14:38 pm
We may just do that, give a guide on DIY - MASU Style.

But seriously, when I say "expensive" I mean that I think it sounds so good now I can't believe it's the same material. This really shows to me that we are better than we thought we were, we just didn't manage to express it as well as the guys who remixed this for us, imo. I mean, they used OUR material, that we recorded in our amateurish way, and made it sound like a full-fledged, paid-for studio album, in just one week. I think that's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on September 28, 2006, 05:41:57 pm
just dont use any of that bullshit shoftware that fixes singing mistakes and stuff. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Schattenjaeger on September 28, 2006, 05:43:01 pm
Firstly, Congrats, nice going, etc. This is a completely new era for MaSu, as a whole and as individuals.

That said: I will refrain from passing negative judgement until you deserve it. Let's hope that never happens. I think there are more pros than cons in this and I most certainly AM looking forward to the chance to head to North Jersey sometime in the future to see MaSu at the CAA. I'll listen to the samples later, I'm on clock now and can't listen to music.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: basisti on September 28, 2006, 05:46:04 pm
All I can say is congratulations! ;D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ibmman85 on September 28, 2006, 05:59:30 pm
We may just do that, give a guide on DIY - MASU Style.

You said that last time I asked about that like 2 years ago  ;)

It really would be useful though, somehow my band still sounds like crap after 6 years, thousands of dollars in equipment, and one member majoring in Acoustics and Music Technology. Getting better, really slowly...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 28, 2006, 06:05:53 pm
We may just do that, give a guide on DIY - MASU Style.

But seriously, when I say "expensive" I mean that I think it sounds so good now I can't believe it's the same material. This really shows to me that we are better than we thought we were, we just didn't manage to express it as well as the guys who remixed this for us, imo. I mean, they used OUR material, that we recorded in our amateurish way, and made it sound like a full-fledged, paid-for studio album, in just one week. I think that's pretty awesome.

I'm trusting your judgement here. Just don't let us down, yeah? :)
But get that guide up sometime soon, or else you'll have hell to pay!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Ratti on September 28, 2006, 06:10:20 pm
Something that would be kinda interesting:

the tracklist of the retail edition is the same (i think) as it was back when the retail edition was to be released on JMT.
Now I wonder: Did you just take the same tracklist from there to Spinefarm on your own,
or have they said that they prefer this version to the longer Underground Version.
If so, why? Length? Too many different song styles? Japanese Lyrics in the chorus  ;D?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Crazywater on September 28, 2006, 06:15:20 pm
And, what happened to JMT?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Kobi on September 28, 2006, 06:37:43 pm
Much happens during the times I'm away I see. I personally see this as possitive thing and everything is always evolving. I does not bother me if the music is sold under another lable then the band itself. I just get more and more curious about what might come from this. I don't really see why people whine either? Calling the band sell outs and all. Thats bullshit. The only day that MaSu could be called sell outs is when Robert does a duet with Britney Spears... wich we all know will never happen (I hope). The thing is, this is the way the band wants to go and I continue to be a follower. I see no reason to doubt in the band at all. YAY MaSu!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on September 28, 2006, 07:17:47 pm
Everyone got angry when Chumbawamba, who had been invlved with a Fuck EMI project, signed to a sublabel of EMI in the early 90's. They're no longer with that label, but people know who the fuck they are, and they're still anarchist independents. It IS possible.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Julmis on September 28, 2006, 07:28:37 pm
Wow! Good news indeed :) I will look forward to hear the new version of Redeemer.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 07:59:04 pm
Something that would be kinda interesting:

the tracklist of the retail edition is the same (i think) as it was back when the retail edition was to be released on JMT.
Now I wonder: Did you just take the same tracklist from there to Spinefarm on your own,
or have they said that they prefer this version to the longer Underground Version.
If so, why? Length? Too many different song styles? Japanese Lyrics in the chorus  ;D?

Tomi at JMT made the tracklist to be better suited for "new" ears to hear it. He was also the one who suggested we release the underground edition first, for the fans, and then made the retail edition to better suit the worldwide record store audience... Sure, we liked this idea because it meant we could get our album out NOW, the way we made it, and still get another version of it out in stores. 

The underground edition had all the songs we intended the album to have, though JMT-Tomi wanted Ghost on his version as well, which was fine... Ghost is a leet song.

JMT was pretty much out of the picture already when we released the UE, because they didn't communicate well and it felt like they were unpredictable, even though it seemed they knew what they were doing. But the playlist JMT-Tomi did was great, in my opinion. It was someone else's detached ears saying how the song list should be, and when I listened to the songs in that order, over and over, it made perfect sense... It was a sweet tracklist.

When Spinefarm contacted us they initially wanted us from the next release and onward, but we said we wanted to release the retail edition of Redeemer, and they agreed. We took the playlist JMT made, because it was a good playlist. Spinefarm suggested we'd remove Oki Kuma because it was too "soft"... They are a metal label, after all. We said no.

And that's where we are today.

I should remind you, that when we released DXM and then DXMv2 people got kinda wigged that we had a bonus track on v2. They told us "that's not how you do it, you should have the bonus track on the first edition so that the ones who get THAT one get the most out of it"...

You could see this as just a lesson learned from this experience. Those of you who knew about us since before, who got the Underground Edition, got more songs than the ones who will follow in your footsteps.

Don't be mad. Be proud.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on September 28, 2006, 08:08:10 pm
Good to hear, and good job showing those Corps about Oki Kuma, I rather like that song.

Ghost is awesome and newbies will love it.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: not12x on September 28, 2006, 08:10:47 pm
I have little time here before i need to leave (as i am in school), so i'll make this brief:
To everyone who is telling people to shut up for voicing their opinions, fuck you.  Seriously.  Just because you dont agree, dont silence others.  Thats what we are doing here- having discussion, a very OPEN discussion, about the issues at hand.  and trying to silence voices makes you look like a bastard.

secondly, I'm still unnerved by the hypocricy of the situation, but i have no control over this.  In the end, i guess what my whole long message was saying is that i love you guys, and i'm worried about you.  I've seen a lot of bands go down teh path you are headed on, with disasterous results (AFI comes to mind)
At the same time, i've seen bands go down a similar path with good results (Against Me! comes to mind).  The difference is taht i can already hear the beginnings of change.  Rob, dont think that i hate you.  If you ever come to chicago, i will be the FIRST one to buy tickets.  but that doesnt mean i am going to love your new stuff.  And i'll be damned if im quiet about it too.

I ahve more to say, but my time is up for now.  another post in a few hours.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 28, 2006, 08:15:34 pm
I have little time here before i need to leave (as i am in school), so i'll make this brief:
To everyone who is telling people to shut up for voicing their opinions, fuck you.  Seriously.  Just because you dont agree, dont silence others.  Thats what we are doing here- having discussion, a very OPEN discussion, about the issues at hand.  and trying to silence voices makes you look like a bastard.

secondly, I'm still unnerved by the hypocricy of the situation, but i have no control over this.  In the end, i guess what my whole long message was saying is that i love you guys, and i'm worried about you.  I've seen a lot of bands go down teh path you are headed on, with disasterous results (AFI comes to mind)
At the same time, i've seen bands go down a similar path with good results (Against Me! comes to mind).  The difference is taht i can already hear the beginnings of change.  Rob, dont think that i hate you.  If you ever come to chicago, i will be the FIRST one to buy tickets.  but that doesnt mean i am going to love your new stuff.  And i'll be damned if im quiet about it too.

I ahve more to say, but my time is up for now.  another post in a few hours.


Deep breaths. It's a shocking hit, but everybody will adjust to it (myself included).
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on September 28, 2006, 08:23:24 pm
As long as they (MaSu) holds the reigns, everything will be cool.

Also though an amazing artist and one of my fav's don't follow the Ozzy Osbourne path (Massive amounts of drugs.)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 08:23:43 pm
I've seen a lot of bands go down teh path you are headed on, with disasterous results (AFI comes to mind)
At the same time, i've seen bands go down a similar path with good results (Against Me! comes to mind).  The difference is taht i can already hear the beginnings of change. 

You kinda make it sound like better production is bad...

The new mixing has made the songs more powerful, clearer. The vocals are louder and clearer, the guitars have more edge and more chuggy meatiness, the bass guitar is deeper and punchier. You can hear the SID better than before, and the other synths have more space, and the lead guitars more wind in your hair... And you can hear a lot of things in the songs you couldn't hear before because they were so clogged up.

If better sound production is change in the wrong direction, then boy is my thumb not on the pulse of our fanbase.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 28, 2006, 08:30:13 pm
You've said that the new album is being remixed and remastered by the label, but elsewhere you also said that the label doesnt appreciate your sid sound. Does that mean that in the mixing of future albums the sid is going to take a back-seat?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 28, 2006, 08:37:00 pm
You've said that the new album is being remixed and remastered by the label, but elsewhere you also said that the label doesnt appreciate your sid sound. Does that mean that in the mixing of future albums the sid is going to take a back-seat?

If that means no more songs like 'Arcade' I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lysix on September 28, 2006, 08:37:42 pm
If that means no more songs like 'Arcade' I'm all for it.

Just remember not to order the new album off the webshop. You know you'll get it last. Again. :P
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 28, 2006, 08:39:10 pm
Like Rob said before they got the last word musically! I hope there will be SID but basically MASU for me is more of a metal band than a gamemusic/sid style band :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on September 28, 2006, 08:41:28 pm
I loved MaSu as SiD Metal, not as Metal, or SiD\Arcade Music.

SiD Metal Forever.........
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 08:44:06 pm
You've said that the new album is being remixed and remastered by the label, but elsewhere you also said that the label doesnt appreciate your sid sound. Does that mean that in the mixing of future albums the sid is going to take a back-seat?

No, the label PAID for the remix and remaster... Me and Jonne travelled to Gothenborg, and then to Stockholm, to oversee the process. We made sure they made it like we wanted.

When the studio people asked us why we were there, what we hoped to get out of this, we said "Well, mostly to protect the SID." (I shit you not, this conversation actually happened). We explained that the label didn't get the whole SID aspect of Machinae Supremacy, so we were going to make sure they didn't tone it down any.

And four days later, Fredrik, one of the audio engineers, said with a smile on his face... "You came to protect the SID, and instead you got two new converts" (meaning they loved the sound of the SID).

So you need to understand that the mixing was supervised by us to be the best it could be, and that the guys who did it were neither instructed by Spinefarm to remove and SID-stuff, nor did they want it gone themselves... Redeemer Retail Edition is 100% Pure SID-Metal.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 28, 2006, 08:50:45 pm
You've said that the new album is being remixed and remastered by the label, but elsewhere you also said that the label doesnt appreciate your sid sound. Does that mean that in the mixing of future albums the sid is going to take a back-seat?

No, the label PAID for the remix and remaster... Me and Jonne travelled to Gothenborg, and then to Stockholm, to oversee the process. We made sure they made it like we wanted.

When the studio people asked us why we were there, what we hoped to get out of this, we said "Well, mostly to protect the SID." (I shit you not, this conversation actually happened). We explained that the label didn't get the whole SID aspect of Machinae Supremacy, so we were going to make sure they didn't tone it down any.

And four days later, Fredrik, one of the audio engineers, said with a smile on his face... "You came to protect the SID, and instead you got two new converts" (meaning they loved the sound of the SID).

So you need to understand that the mixing was supervised by us to be the best it could be, and that the guys who did it were neither instructed by Spinefarm to remove and SID-stuff, nor did they want it gone themselves... Redeemer Retail Edition is 100% Pure SID-Metal.

that's absolutely awesome! thanks for the clarification, i think i can rest easily now. now i feel bad for doubting you :(

;D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: MashedByMachines on September 28, 2006, 08:51:16 pm
WTF you were in Gothenbug without telling ME ?  :o

darn :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on September 28, 2006, 08:54:32 pm
That is a huge sigh of relief, I am really sorry for ever feeling doubt
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 28, 2006, 08:56:40 pm
power of sid turns peoples mind around :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 28, 2006, 09:05:18 pm
THE POWER OF SID COMPELS YE!

THE POWER OF SID COMPELS YE!

THE POWER OF SID COMPELS YE!

THE POWER OF SID COMPELS YE!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 28, 2006, 09:09:05 pm
You've said that the new album is being remixed and remastered by the label, but elsewhere you also said that the label doesnt appreciate your sid sound. Does that mean that in the mixing of future albums the sid is going to take a back-seat?

No, the label PAID for the remix and remaster... Me and Jonne travelled to Gothenborg, and then to Stockholm, to oversee the process. We made sure they made it like we wanted.

When the studio people asked us why we were there, what we hoped to get out of this, we said "Well, mostly to protect the SID." (I shit you not, this conversation actually happened). We explained that the label didn't get the whole SID aspect of Machinae Supremacy, so we were going to make sure they didn't tone it down any.

And four days later, Fredrik, one of the audio engineers, said with a smile on his face... "You came to protect the SID, and instead you got two new converts" (meaning they loved the sound of the SID).

So you need to understand that the mixing was supervised by us to be the best it could be, and that the guys who did it were neither instructed by Spinefarm to remove and SID-stuff, nor did they want it gone themselves... Redeemer Retail Edition is 100% Pure SID-Metal.

Rock on dude. That's awesome to hear ;D

I cant wait to go to my local music-shop and buy RRE <3
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on September 28, 2006, 09:12:45 pm
Hey will Retail Edition of Redeemer be released in the US? I WOULD BE ESTATIC if it is I WILL (censored) everywhere, oh I mean :-[ , srry TMI.

But really send some copies over here!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Schattenjaeger on September 28, 2006, 09:19:26 pm
Hey will Retail Edition of Redeemer be released in the US? I WOULD BE ESTATIC if it is I WILL (censored) everywhere, oh I mean :-[ , srry TMI.

But really send some copies over here!

That was mentioned earlier in the thread as a probable, IIRC.

I just listened to the samples. Granted, this was with moderately good earbuds on a cheap onboard sound card, BUT I noticed two things right off.
1) Higher volume groks the guitars and vox, not the keys or SiD. Not sure if this is intentional or possibly a fluke of the audio system I had available to me. Will listen again on my Audigy 2 at home later.
2) The only actual gripe I have is the keyboards on TTLG seem to be too weak. Other than that, I mostly like. Rock on!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Trezker on September 28, 2006, 10:06:08 pm
I just thought of something, what will happen to the game music production?
Will you be doing only albums for the music industry or will you have room to make music for the game scene too?

That's one of the big perks, actually. We'll have a lot more time to make game music, as well as focus on our band
music now. We even made them put in the contract that they have no jurisdiction over our game music production.
SQUEEEE!!!  ;D
Now don't you get lazy like me and get stuck playing games all day. :P
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: cloudstrifex on September 28, 2006, 10:09:35 pm
Hey will Retail Edition of Redeemer be released in the US? I WOULD BE ESTATIC if it is I WILL (censored) everywhere, oh I mean :-[ , srry TMI.

But really send some copies over here!

That was mentioned earlier in the thread as a probable, IIRC.

I just listened to the samples. Granted, this was with moderately good earbuds on a cheap onboard sound card, BUT I noticed two things right off.
1) Higher volume groks the guitars and vox, not the keys or SiD. Not sure if this is intentional or possibly a fluke of the audio system I had available to me. Will listen again on my Audigy 2 at home later.
2) The only actual gripe I have is the keyboards on TTLG seem to be too weak. Other than that, I mostly like. Rock on!

I thought the remastered soungs sounded horrible.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 28, 2006, 10:11:27 pm
Hey will Retail Edition of Redeemer be released in the US? I WOULD BE ESTATIC if it is I WILL (censored) everywhere, oh I mean :-[ , srry TMI.

But really send some copies over here!

That was mentioned earlier in the thread as a probable, IIRC.

I just listened to the samples. Granted, this was with moderately good earbuds on a cheap onboard sound card, BUT I noticed two things right off.
1) Higher volume groks the guitars and vox, not the keys or SiD. Not sure if this is intentional or possibly a fluke of the audio system I had available to me. Will listen again on my Audigy 2 at home later.
2) The only actual gripe I have is the keyboards on TTLG seem to be too weak. Other than that, I mostly like. Rock on!

I thought the remastered soungs sounded horrible.

they are much better imho after i heard few songs and compared it to them to old ones. I was suprised how everything is clearer i mean sid and synth there is sound i didnt hear before. this stuff is real mind blower ^^
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 28, 2006, 10:17:32 pm
im undecided... bits of it sounded better... but bits of it sounded like they lacked that extra umph.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: gaijin on September 28, 2006, 10:33:24 pm
After sifting through way too many pages of both good and bad posts, I'd also like to get my opinion into this perticular fray. You see, I have Opinions. Yeah, again.. I know, it gets tiresome.

That people can have different takes on this is perfectly fine with me, I know that I don't always agree with things. But for the love of everything metal, what the HELL? I seriously can't believe you people. I really can't. For ages I've been lurking around here, reading, posting and sometimes also killing. Three things has held true through all that time, and that is:

1. There will be spam. Spam. Egg and spam, bacon and spam, spam and spam.

2. People wants to be able to buy the record in stores, since they are too young/poor/paranoid/incompetent/lazy to order it online.

3. People wants more gigs and tours, because they can't come to where Machinae has been performing, probably due to the same reasons as in point #2.

And now, when the band has decided to cut their own revenue to less than before so as they can get the album distributed to stores all over, and to get themselves a label to make it easier to book gigs.. what do people do?  Bitch, whine and act as they are a bunch of four-year olds that has had their favourite toy taken away. As far as I know, Robs is probably the only one person alive that detests Big Brother more than I do, and if he and I can live with this concept.. you should be able to as well. Voice your opinions, that's a good thing, but.. seriously, do it as grown-ups?

I don't want you to get me wrong here though, I'm not entirely positive to the whole label-thing. Not at all. But I DO feel it's possible for a bunch of reasons that I'm about to share with you.

1. They get to do what the fans (You, you fanboy/girl happy extatic paranoid joyous angry satisfied disgruntaled people!) have been asking for! Gigs! And PROPER distribution of the album! No longer (hopefully) will people have to wait idly by their mailboxes for weeks, or feel scared that evil people will steal their creditcard while ordering online.

2. They retain creative control. This is paramount to me.

3. Even though they get less cash per cd, I still hold it in my heart and mind that Machinae will goddamn rule the world some day. And you do the maths there.. what's better, 1$ for each of 10.000 000 cd's.. or 5$ for each of 10.000?

4. I like a revolution as much as the next guy, trust me. But revolutions tend mostly to replace one jackass with a slightly more charismatic jackass. No real change, but people get to scream at stuff, and throw vegetables. These are all very worthy activities and should be encouraged. But for real change.. change it from within.

"Sometimes the smallest, softest voice carries the grand, biggest solutions."

And as a long time friend of Robs.. If you really think that this deal will make him soft, and more pliable for RIAA.. Think again.

And to finish off this post:
...I will refrain from passing negative judgement until you deserve it...


Amen, thank you, good night.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 28, 2006, 10:36:28 pm
WORD! gaijin!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Smeagol on September 28, 2006, 10:37:38 pm
Gaijin makes me feel diminutive. :(
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 28, 2006, 10:39:31 pm
well i, for one, did not intend to sound negative in any of my questions. i simply want to get as much information on the situation as possible so i know exactly what's going on. rob has done a great job of answering everything i needed to know, and all of my doubts have been made redundant. so now i couldn't be happier. now hurry up and get your asses back to england for a gig!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on September 28, 2006, 10:47:22 pm
I just thought of something. (omgnoes whatever)

One segment in Soundtrack to the Rebellion fits in this "drama".

"We are not alone to defy
we stand and those who push us down will die"

They stood up for their opinion and their music, and so, SF's idea got "killed" and "died", in sorts of ways. :)

Damn, this week, MaSu proved the righteousness of at least one of their songs!

Before it even happened! :O

Btw, <3 gaijin

PS. ... I used to pronounce their name "Makinaye"...   ::)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: H on September 28, 2006, 10:53:40 pm
New Label or not, MaSu still has my %100 support.  \m/  \m/
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Schattenjaeger on September 28, 2006, 11:37:33 pm
...and throw vegetables...

I prefer to SHOOT my vegetable matter, thankyou.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 28, 2006, 11:51:01 pm
We may just do that, give a guide on DIY - MASU Style.

You said that last time I asked about that like 2 years ago  ;)

It really would be useful though, somehow my band still sounds like crap after 6 years, thousands of dollars in equipment, and one member majoring in Acoustics and Music Technology. Getting better, really slowly...

Aight, now I've written a guide...
http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php?topic=3867.0 (http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php?topic=3867.0)

Knock yourself out.  ::)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: not12x on September 29, 2006, 04:35:31 am
I hope that i havent come across as a 4-year old, i believe i've been disagreeing with dignity.  regardless...

I listened to the remasters of some of the songs, and i stand by what i said.  Yes, they are cleaner and clearer, but i just dont see it as the same.  But, my opinion is just one opinion.

I guess i'll wait and see how things turn out, becuase i cant say that your music is already ruined when you havent recorded anything new since then.  I have my fears, and my fears are based in historical fact, but there are also reasons to hope.

One last question for you, rob.  I haven't heard an instrumental since Trinity, and i havent heard an instrumental i LOVED since Loot Burn Rape Kill Repeat.  Are you guys avoiding instrumentals from now on?  Because while i DO love your voice... your instrumentals are some of the most brilliant works of modern rock i've ever heard.

Alright, maybe two last questions.  Whats your ideal release schedule?  Tours up the anus with a cd every two years, like most bands, or are you going to KMFDM it, with a CD almost every year along with tons of EPs and a yearly tour to boot?  Needless to say, i think i can (finally) speak for everyone when i say i hope its the second choice.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Edge on September 29, 2006, 04:51:37 am
Yea I know i'm a nubtart when it comes to the forums here, but i figured now was as good a time as any to speak my mind.

I've been listening to Machinae since "In The Groove" came out in Arcades. I heard Hybrid and Bouff on there, really liked what i heard, and delved a bit into it. Having listened to Deus Ex Machinae and Redeemer since, i'm really glad to hear that you guys have made these decisions. Your music is great, and I really don't think enough people are in on it. With how in control of the situation you seem to feel, you have everything to gain here. (Especially a MUCH larger fanbase!) To say the least, i'm pretty psyched. ^^

Second (just a bit more praise) I really like where the music has gone. I've seen a lot of people complaining about the direction your music has been going, and i couldn't be happier. The music sounds a lot more 'mature' (as i think Rob put it multiple times) and has come a long way from the old freebies on the site. Through the Looking Glass and Rogue World Asylum probably being my fave songs.

As for the remastered tracks on Redeemer, not quite sure what to think. I've only listened to the new TtLG so far (the dorm internet is acting like shit today. -.- ) and i see what you're saying Rob, about a definitely more powerful presence from the bass, vocals, and guitar. My only complaint would be that the piano part is far less heard, which really set this song apart for me.  :( Regardless though, if the other remastered tracks follow the same general pattern, i probably won't be complaining too much. ^^;

All in all, I love the music, keep doing what you're doing. No complaints thus far (except the piano. >< ) from this fan.  ;D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 29, 2006, 07:41:20 am
I guess i'll wait and see how things turn out, becuase i cant say that your music is already ruined when you havent recorded anything new since then.  I have my fears, and my fears are based in historical fact, but there are also reasons to hope.

I'm not concerned about how we'll handle this situation, but I feel as if though people who have this attitude will start to imagine or see things that aren't there. Maybe you'll expect corruption so much you'll think the natural development of the band's style is due to the signing, or something like that.

And just in my opinion, when I say the new mixing is "clearer", I don't mean it's "cleaner". I think they did a great job at making the guitars more brutal, among other things, but they just sort of made "room" for more things in the mix... Well, anyway... nuff about the mix.

Quote
One last question for you, rob.  I haven't heard an instrumental since Trinity, and i havent heard an instrumental i LOVED since Loot Burn Rape Kill Repeat.  Are you guys avoiding instrumentals from now on?  Because while i DO love your voice... your instrumentals are some of the most brilliant works of modern rock i've ever heard.

Thank you. Remember that Trinity and Loot are newer than Redeemer. So no, we haven't stopped, and you can surely expect more instrumentals in the future.

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Alright, maybe two last questions.  Whats your ideal release schedule?  Tours up the anus with a cd every two years, like most bands, or are you going to KMFDM it, with a CD almost every year along with tons of EPs and a yearly tour to boot?  Needless to say, i think i can (finally) speak for everyone when i say i hope its the second choice.

I would hope it is the second choice as well. But maybe exchange EPs for site releases?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on September 29, 2006, 10:33:02 am
Collectable EPs are good :D

Mansun have highly collectable EPs. Non-album b-sides and a numbered series makes them a highly sought-after collector's item, something special for the long-time fans. I really, really hope you aren't forced to go down the route of including album tracks and remixes as b-sides. Extra original tracks add great value to singles and EPs, and would be an ideal place to host content that would be traditionally be distributed through the website.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansun)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: FallenTabris on September 29, 2006, 11:11:32 am
You realize how good a deal getting signed with no creative hooks attatched is?

even American bands can get fucked, in minor or major ways, in their rush to get signed. apparently The Mars Volta wanted Frances the Mute to be one solid track, ala Green Carnation's Light of Day, Day of Darkness. the record company they were signed to flat-out denied their artistic wishes, and so the album as of today is composed of tracks. granted, I really hate it when bands do that one-track thing with CDs, but that was a wish from The Mars Volta for their album, and it wasn't granted because the record company felt it wouldn't sell as well (be as 'accessable') if it were formatted that way. and they were probably right, but still.

also, hate on My Chemical Romance if you wish, but I really like Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge (it's well written, don't judge it on its two hits alone). apparently their shitty pop-emo or whatever-you-call-it look is something that came with their record deal, not something they chose for themselves. that's rather telling, if true, about how fucked a band can get by being signed.

and these are American bands--I thought they were supposed to have more options because of their country of origin.. (I like countless european prog rock bands better than Dream Theater, but I get the feeling they got it easy because they're american. >_>)

so machinae got a sweet deal if their label keeps up their side of the bargain.

http://www.hitherston.com/plogger/images/resources/entertainment/jul02184.JPG
there's an MCR pic if you're curious what I mean, but that's nothing compared to how ridiculous they looked on the cover of Rolling Stones a while ago.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Sansebastian on September 29, 2006, 11:21:29 am
I always look at blabbermouth.net for news....and today i found this, maybe new fans already?;)

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=59414
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Ratti on September 29, 2006, 02:37:01 pm
Since when are american record companies giving their bands more liberties than european ones?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the_holy_ferret on September 29, 2006, 04:02:37 pm
I've missed most the discussion on this thread, but the way I see it 'more gigs = me happier'. As long as Machinae retain artistic control and don't have to compromise their sound, and more importantly as long as they're happy with it, then that's cool.

Robert, glad to hear the audio engineer's became converts :) On a plus side, I managed to get my University lecturer hooked on Machinae, and he wants to do a lecture next year on webculture using Machinae as a case study. I WILL CONVERT MY ENTIRE UNI DEPARTMENT INTO MACHINAEHEADS DAMN IT!!!

So it looks like their are changes afoot in Machinae-land. Inevitably some of us will like these changes, some of us won't. The point is, up to now everything, as far as I'm concerned, has been totally cool. If such a day comes, and I pray it doesn't, that changes occure that result in me liking Machinae to a lesser degree, then so be it. There's still a whole disco/webography of stuff that I do like. The important thing is that the band are happy doing what they're doing, I would hate them to not enjoy it, and if the whole Spinefarm thing makes things better for them then I'm behind it 100%
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: oohal on September 29, 2006, 04:35:28 pm
Good on you for getting a recording deal, can't wait for the day when people will actually know who the fuck i'm talking about when I tell then who's my favourite band  ;D and good luck with the new album.

side note: seriously wtf is with the new site? It's a total pain in the ass to use (scroll bars and frames == badness) the new artwork is great though.

-oohal
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on September 29, 2006, 06:10:41 pm
Quote from: Spinefarm front page
The band's Spinefarm debut, a remixed version of their indie album "Redeemer" will be released on November 8th, 2006.

Indie? =/
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on September 29, 2006, 06:30:37 pm
indie = independent album :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on September 29, 2006, 06:40:30 pm
Indeed, not "cheesy wannabe pop".
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Schattenjaeger on September 29, 2006, 06:42:47 pm
*Attempts to recover from choking to death*
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on September 29, 2006, 06:51:07 pm
Indie isn't only for music, though.  :P
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Mikon on September 29, 2006, 07:31:12 pm
Cheers and congrats for the record deal!

This is my first post to these forums although I have been a big fan of MaSu for atleast couple years now (but hey, better to start late than not start at all...right? ;) )
I hope to you guys all the best with Spinefarm... so far I have heard only good things about them as a record lable.


Btw, Good job with the new site, I like it.


Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on September 29, 2006, 07:37:38 pm
Thank you!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on September 29, 2006, 07:52:17 pm
Yeah the spinefarm update was quite cool actually. Redeemer is the first album you see when you click the new releases too.

So sexy, so sexy.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 29, 2006, 08:00:49 pm
apparently The Mars Volta wanted Frances the Mute to be one solid track, ala Green Carnation's Light of Day, Day of Darkness. the record company they were signed to flat-out denied their artistic wishes, and so the album as of today is composed of tracks. granted, I really hate it when bands do that one-track thing with CDs, but that was a wish from The Mars Volta for their album, and it wasn't granted because the record company felt it wouldn't sell as well (be as 'accessable') if it were formatted that way. and they were probably right, but still.

Actually, I think it was just Cassandra Geminni they wanted to be one whole track, which would make the album only 5 tracks long. The record label classed a 5 track album as an EP, despite the length, so they wouldn't pay TMV as much money to make it. As a compromise, TMV split Cassandra Geminni into 8 parts.

To be fair... this didn't effect the music AT ALL. CD's are gapless, so when you listen to it you don't even notice that the tracks are split up. *shrug*
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on September 29, 2006, 08:02:55 pm
Seconded. When I saw the new page, I "thought" (screamed in my mind) something like "OMG NEW DESIGN! IT'S SO COOOL!". I absolutely love it! Good job robert, it's looks nice.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the_holy_ferret on September 30, 2006, 01:35:55 pm
Okay, since Machinae are signed to Spinefarm now, is there any chance of getting Redeemer released on vinyl? I know other Spinefarm bands have had their albums released to lp and I simply :-* vinyl (well not literally, except weekends maybe).
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Kernel on September 30, 2006, 01:43:16 pm
Okay, since Machinae are signed to Spinefarm now, is there any chance of getting Redeemer released on vinyl? I know other Spinefarm bands have had their albums released to lp and I simply :-* vinyl (well not literally, except weekends maybe).
That'd be really cool! I'm also a vinyl fan and I'd most definitely buy all the Machinae vinyl releases!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: infumouswishes on September 30, 2006, 02:17:28 pm
>This message may appear to come from no where!<


FUCK YEAH, CONGRATUALTIONS.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 30, 2006, 06:12:13 pm
Oi, while im around i might as well say OMG Machinae JUST DINGED

Or some random crap like that.

Don't give robman a hard time, i think all the changes are positively towards the band/music.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on September 30, 2006, 06:48:38 pm
Dinged? Radicz0r, are ye drunk, yarr? ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on September 30, 2006, 07:36:55 pm
gratz. :P

Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on September 30, 2006, 10:23:24 pm
What worries me most about the recent development is that now when they have gone from "Fuck the system!" to "We'll fuck the system from the inside", the step to "We will fuck the system... at least a little bit" and finally "Nah, we actually like it better this way" doesn't seem as far away. :-\

I'm sure, though, that they would never intentionally let us down. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on September 30, 2006, 10:31:41 pm
why do so many people care so much about fucking the system? i dont listen to machinae just so i can think "yeah.. that'll show the riaa! hahahaha". i listen to them for the FUCKING MUSIC!

record label = more albums in a shorter amount of time. i don't give a shit about anything else. as long as the label doesn't fuck with the music, i dont have a problem. and to be honest... if a band LETS a label push them around, then its their fault. it's not like they're slaves. they dont HAVE to sign a contract which gives them zero creativeness.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on September 30, 2006, 11:43:39 pm
why do so many people care so much about fucking the system? i dont listen to machinae just so i can think "yeah.. that'll show the riaa! hahahaha". i listen to them for the FUCKING MUSIC!

record label = more albums in a shorter amount of time. i don't give a shit about anything else. as long as the label doesn't fuck with the music, i dont have a problem. and to be honest... if a band LETS a label push them around, then its their fault. it's not like they're slaves. they dont HAVE to sign a contract which gives them zero creativeness.
QFT
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Verruckter on October 01, 2006, 01:21:41 am
To all those who said they sold out: FUCK YOU. You don't know shit what selling out is all about. If a band get a record deal, it can only be good for them. Selling out would be to stop making the awesome-ass music the make and start doing some lame pop-metal crap. Plus it's not like if it was Warner Bros or Sony. Spinefarm has bands like Sonata Arctica, Norther and Ensiferum which are FAR from sell-outs.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 01, 2006, 01:36:59 am
why do so many people care so much about fucking the system?

Perhaps because we aren't happy with the way things work today, and (foolishly, perhaps) keep hoping for a better world. And because the people currently in charge haven't really left us any options but to crush "the system" and rebuild a better society.

I've always thought of Machinae as having higher principles than just "let's play some rock music, fuck 10000 chicks and fill our wallets", that they have a wish to actually make a difference (and I still believe that they have that wish). The difference between them and us, however, is that they have worked hard to get where they are today and have reached a point where their actions actually does make a difference. They gain more and more supporters every day and people (including me) have started to look up to them. And the #1 thing they've taught me is to make up my own mind and not just swallow the bullshit they ("the system", not the band :)) feed me. And if I would one day feel that the path of Machinae no longer is the one I should follow, I won't, and I believe I've made that clear these last few days. Not that one fan less would matter much to them (as they will gain many thousands soon), but it would have a huge impact on my life. For me, it's about more than the music; if I would one day realize that Robert was a total asshole, naturally I wouldn't feel the same joy and energy from hearing his words, as I would know that they didn't mean the same to him as they do to me. They're becoming idols now (regardless of whether they want it or not), and people will have expectations of them.

I'm not against the signing itself; if they remain in control and if their music will be able to reach more people, great. If there'll be tours - wonderful. I just hope they will keep their candles burning for a worthy cause.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: not12x on October 01, 2006, 05:41:44 am
To all those who said they sold out: FUCK YOU. You don't know shit what selling out is all about. If a band get a record deal, it can only be good for them. Selling out would be to stop making the awesome-ass music the make and start doing some lame pop-metal crap. Plus it's not like if it was Warner Bros or Sony. Spinefarm has bands like Sonata Arctica, Norther and Ensiferum which are FAR from sell-outs.

This is the kind of ignorant, closed-minded post that makes me want to shoot myself out of embarassment for being a human.
I wonder, mr. Verruckter, did you even bother to READ what we said?  and did it even CLICK in your head?  What we've said (we=those who have suggested that machinae MIGHT be selling out, as we have concluded that we have no evidence yet, and we have hope it wont) is that we dont like the current remasters, as we feel that it DOES sound pop-metal-ish, and that we miss the "awesome-ass" music of yesteryear much more than the music they have now.  which isnt to say it isnt awesome, but WE feel that the old stuff was better.

of course not.  none of that makes any sense to you.  we said "machinae" and "sellout" in the same sentance, and you had to go exaculate your herpes-flavored sterile sperm onto the forum.

Get a brain, and use it.  What we've said is that we are fearful of what this could bring to be, and that we are nostalgic for the old days.  What we havent said is that they have definately already sold out, and that they definately already sound like shit.

Oh, and just for shits and giggles, you said "if a band gets a record deal, it can only be good for them."  you then  went on to say "its not like if <sic> it was Warner Bros. or Sony", implying that it CAN be bad for bands to get record deals.  And look at history- getting record deals CAN be bad.  its bad for a lot of bands.  its also good for a lot of bands.

My bias in this situation is that i'm american, and i only know of two bands who have signed major record deals and NOT 'sell out', those being NoFX and Against Me!  But, since this is a foreign label, and becuase gordon is too hot to resist, i have hope that MaSu WILL maintain their integrity.  I also have my fears.  THAT is what we've been saying.



*gasp* GOD i hope ignorant sod's like you arent allowed to reproduce.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lexx on October 01, 2006, 05:45:53 am

It must be so awesome to be better than everyone else.

I didn't read your post, but that's the impression I get every time I do read them; So I stopped.


Lots of love,
Lexx.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Viherminttu on October 01, 2006, 06:00:39 am
i love how everyone cares for each other on this forum. it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside <3
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on October 01, 2006, 06:02:55 am
NoFX are like one of my all-time fav bands. :) I have planned, and will go on to send a CD to Fat Mike with a nice little note saying "Thank you for your inspiration." when the Spinefarm edition comes out.

And maybe, when we earn the street cred we deserve (and no longer are called "demo band" by arrangers), we can also go solo again and return completely to our DIY lifestyle.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: not12x on October 01, 2006, 08:34:47 am
NoFX are like one of my all-time fav bands. :) I have planned, and will go on to send a CD to Fat Mike with a nice little note saying "Thank you for your inspiration." when the Spinefarm edition comes out.

And maybe, when we earn the street cred we deserve (and no longer are called "demo band" by arrangers), we can also go solo again and return completely to our DIY lifestyle.

Now it's my turn to be ultra-wishing and say "fuck, MaSu and NoFX in concert together would be more intense than standing in a bonfire while tripping on meth".  And, i fear we have similar tastes in bands, as we both love MaSu, and i woudlnt have mentioned NoFX if i didnt love them too :P



Nah, i just hate ignorant people.  Does that mean i'm not ignorant?  hell no.  but i hate myself with equal passion, so its all good.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on October 01, 2006, 10:40:09 am
I absolutely think that the Spinefarm label deal is better than JMT's deal, don't you? ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 01, 2006, 11:21:57 am
Spine deal i like it more because, I know what kinda bands they had and have :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Jonezky on October 01, 2006, 12:01:07 pm
Phew. I've been reading and lurking on the forums for several years now but never felt the urge to post something. Now I feel it. I just had to log on and say Congratulations Machinae Supremacy!

I hope (well, I'm pretty sure) this deal gets you a lot of gigs and loads of new fans around the world. The news has already spread trough numerous webzines and blogs. It's only a matter of time when we will start reading about you from newspapers. You can start filling your scrapbook, but make sure it has enough pages, 'cause this is just the beginning!

On your future gigs in Finland, you can be pretty damn sure to see me in the audience.

I wasn't sure what to think when I first heard the news but after a couple of days I'm starting to feel comfortable with this...

I wish you guys all the best. Keep on rocking!

-J 
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 01, 2006, 01:02:42 pm
It's only a matter of time when we will start reading about you from newspapers.

They've been in some local newspaper(s) already (don't remember if it was just Kuriren, or NSD and possibly others as well). ;D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 01, 2006, 01:04:02 pm
post any news about the record deal to the thread about of it. It's also sticky :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 01, 2006, 01:12:43 pm
It wasn't about the deal, it was earlier... Once it was mentioned on the front page (the review speaking of a teddy bear saving the world), but there was also an article before the Ebeneser gig.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Ratti on October 01, 2006, 01:50:30 pm
It seems likely that reviews of the "debut album" from a newly-signed Spinefarm band would appear in metal magazines.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fallout on October 01, 2006, 05:55:14 pm
It seems likely that reviews of the "debut album" from a newly-signed Spinefarm band would appear in metal magazines.

And music review websites will go "hey, Spinefarm signed this new band, lets check them out"

It's inevitable, MaSu are gonna hit the big time. :D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on October 01, 2006, 09:12:04 pm
And they will hit it HARD! ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: pelle on October 01, 2006, 10:39:32 pm
The main thing with this is that there will be much more Machinae Supremacy music produced. If it gets a bit more commercial, that's acceptable. Put that in contrast that the band might not have been so keen to continue without some support from a record label sooner or later. If you liked the music before the remastering, then listen to it instead of the remastered versions. It's their decision to release the new ones, it's unfair to try to force the old versions on other people by claiming childish stuff. In a perfect world they wouldn't have to use a record label, but that's just how it works. As much as you actually need a job in order to afford to eat.

If you whine about this, then you hardly put the bandmembers interest in mind. Robert is clearly interested in your concerns though and I think he/the band will make it worth your trouble if you stick with them through this.

\m/
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on October 01, 2006, 10:54:47 pm
If MaSu is confident in their decision, then we, the fans, should support them.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: yofee on October 02, 2006, 03:50:55 am
 :)  ;)  :D  ;D :P

I sure hope this will last. Machinae live long and prosper...

way to go...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: infumouswishes on October 02, 2006, 03:57:54 am
MaSu could have joined MYSPACE records.  ;D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: not12x on October 02, 2006, 06:49:25 am

Now THAT is a well thought argument.

I withdraw for now.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: PhiaX on October 02, 2006, 08:05:32 pm
WTF! I spend 1 week not lurking and then this happens...

Despite the fact that I do understand where the band is comming from as far as the deal goes, I absolutly hate recordlabels for changing the music, you said no to the changes, but still they DO try to change you.
There are no other feelings in my heart for recordlabels other then the urge to blow up there office.
I loved the SID style in the songs, but as it seems, i'll be going back to just pure SID songs and other demoscene music.
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

EDIT: Oh my... -1 karma... ouch that hurts... NOT.
It's not like i'm gonna stick around and debate about this, I HATE recordlabels, PERIOD!
I so hope people would get some backbone and just don't give in...
It's these damn compromizing people that keep the system alive...
Think of me as you wish, atleast i have the strengh to stand for what i believe in.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on October 02, 2006, 08:36:18 pm
*Looks above* What a dueschbag. Anyways as was also said above "More music and Robert cares" that is what you need to know. And yes, MaSu is gonna hit it big.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on October 02, 2006, 08:44:26 pm
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

*slaps forehead* ok... it's been said before, but here it is again...

more people buy machinae's album off record label = more cash for the record label (which is bad, yes, but... wait for the next step... are you ready?) = MORE CHANCE OF MACHINAE MAKING ALBUMS IN THE FUTURE

as soon as the record label changes machinae's music, then you have a right to give up on them. but so far they have done nothing wrong. so stop being a dick.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on October 02, 2006, 08:46:04 pm
Apt as always is wise and just.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 02, 2006, 09:27:15 pm
he's apt, too. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Xhu on October 02, 2006, 10:00:34 pm
Quote
I so hope people would get some backbone and just don't give in...
It's these damn compromizing people that keep the system alive...
Think of me as you wish, atleast i have the strengh to stand for what i believe in.

They held fast over the musical style. Sort of goes against all you said.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on October 02, 2006, 10:04:27 pm
i fucking hate people who form an opinion on something based on a few bad experiences.

yeah, there are some record labels who dont care about the music and will fuck up an artist's vision just for some extra cash. but there are even more labels who love the music they are trying to promote, and just want to see it reach its full potential. You think spinefarm are 'evil' for offering a few suggestions to the band? look on these forums, idiot... There's loads of threads from FANS offering their opinion about machinae's musical direction... are THEY evil?

pssssh...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: gaijin on October 02, 2006, 10:06:10 pm
There's loads of threads from FANS offering their opinion about machinae's musical direction... are THEY evil?

Not that I don't get your point, and I think you are right, but.. Yes?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 02, 2006, 10:11:57 pm
highly
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 02, 2006, 10:19:07 pm
i fucking hate people who form an opinion on something based on a few bad experiences.

What should one form an opinion on, then? Just ignore everything bad that happens until something good happens, then praise that particular thing forever?

look on these forums, idiot...

Please, keep this on a mature level.

There's loads of threads from FANS offering their opinion about machinae's musical direction... are THEY evil?

I don't think anyone has called me "evil" yet, but I have had the words "stupid", "retarded", "fuckup" thrown in my direction, so I suppose there must be something terribly wrong with me.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 02, 2006, 10:20:42 pm
i fucking hate people who form an opinion on something based on a few bad experiences.

What should one form an opinion on, then? Just ignore everything bad that happens until something good happens, then praise that particular thing forever?

look on these forums, idiot...

Please, keep this on a mature level.

There's loads of threads from FANS offering their opinion about machinae's musical direction... are THEY evil?

I don't think anyone has called me "evil" yet, but I have had the words "stupid", "retarded", "fuckup" thrown in my direction, so I suppose there must be something terribly wrong with me.

nope you just are from kiruna! we understand that!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: gaijin on October 02, 2006, 10:20:55 pm
i fucking hate people who form an opinion on something based on a few bad experiences.

What should one form an opinion on, then? Just ignore everything bad that happens until something good happens, then praise that particular thing forever?

look on these forums, idiot...

Please, keep this on a mature level.

There's loads of threads from FANS offering their opinion about machinae's musical direction... are THEY evil?

I don't think anyone has called me "evil" yet, but I have had the words "stupid", "retarded", "fuckup" thrown in my direction, so I suppose there must be something terribly wrong with me.

I can't say that I agree with you, but you don't throw around insults instead of arguments, and you try to make your point clearly (even if you might fail, and.. quite possibly, have the wrong point. ;)  )

Edited to fix parsing-error in annoying forum. ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on October 02, 2006, 10:26:54 pm
What should one form an opinion on, then? Just ignore everything bad that happens until something good happens, then praise that particular thing forever?

you shouldn't form an opinion based on ONE bad thing happening.

a record label fucking up a band's music DOESNT make all record labels assholes
one bad video game DOESNT make all video games bad
a bad performance from an actor DOESNT make that actor bad
a bad song by a band DOESNT make the band crap

do you get my point? SOME record labels mess with artist's music... Spinefarm HAVE NOT messed with machinae's music. they have given a few opinions AND paid for the album to be remastered by professionals... i think they deserve some respect for that.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 02, 2006, 10:31:51 pm
I can't say that I agree with you, but you don't throw around insults instead of arguments, and you try to make your point clearly (even if you might fail, and.. quite possibly, have the wrong point. ;)  )

Thank you. At least someone seems to understand that I at least have some substance in what I say.

I'm actually hoping that I have the wrong point here; that Machinae prove to still have their integrity and everyone will be happy. As a concerned fan, that's way more important than "winning" a stupid forum debate/flamewar just to be able to say "I told you so".
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: gaijin on October 02, 2006, 10:36:24 pm
Thank you. At least someone seems to understand that I at least have some substance in what I say.


Mostly, I think you make your points rationally, and actually think before posting. It's a good quality if you ask me, thinking before opening your mouth (or in this case, keyboards). It's not your fault your thinking doesn't align with mine and the rest of the forumers. ;D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 02, 2006, 10:38:44 pm
yeah dont be like me! who speaks withouth thinking!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 02, 2006, 10:44:28 pm
What should one form an opinion on, then? Just ignore everything bad that happens until something good happens, then praise that particular thing forever?

you shouldn't form an opinion based on ONE bad thing happening.

Of course not. But you actually first spoke of

a few bad experiences

and that's different.

a record label fucking up a band's music DOESNT make all record labels assholes
one bad video game DOESNT make all video games bad
a bad performance from an actor DOESNT make that actor bad
a bad song by a band DOESNT make the band crap

do you get my point? SOME record labels mess with artist's music... Spinefarm HAVE NOT messed with machinae's music. they have given a few opinions AND paid for the album to be remastered by professionals... i think they deserve some respect for that.

Yes, I agree, although I think both Machinae and Spinefarm need some more time to prove themselves. And yes, as they now expect to make some money from their music, I think we, as their "customers", can demand things from them (such as a satisfactory musical experience, at least), or we'll move on to other bands.

I'm just aware of the risk that this process could lead to us losing Machinae as we know them today (and of course there has always been that risk, but this change is IMO greater than anything before, and could lead to some irreversible bad decisions).

We'll see.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Schattenjaeger on October 02, 2006, 11:33:23 pm
look on these forums, idiot...

Please, keep this on a mature level.

Generally speaking, expecting maturity of any kind in a public gathering, particularly an online one where we don't have burly bouncer types to beat the piss out of slime before it has a chance to speak, is beyond foolish.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Xhu on October 02, 2006, 11:40:53 pm
Well, we have admins. \o/
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 03, 2006, 01:05:59 am
look on these forums, idiot...

Please, keep this on a mature level.

Generally speaking, expecting maturity of any kind in a public gathering, particularly an online one where we don't have burly bouncer types to beat the piss out of slime before it has a chance to speak, is beyond foolish.

Nah, netiquette still applies. Like I was told in another thread, just because we're online doesn't mean that any kind of behaviour is accepted. >:(

Some don't care at all what their online reputation is, and just say whatever they feel like. Others (like SomethingApt, I think) want to be taken seriously once in a while, and calling people names for no real reason is a great way to lower your status and make people read all of your your posts less carefully, making it much harder to get your messages through. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I try to watch my own language although a few things will slip through anyway. I'm not easily offended by cursing and similar, but when it's directed specifically at a single person is where I draw the line.

Also, some people might actually get hurt, and potential newcomers are easily scared away by a too harsh attitude. :-\

Note however that, of course, I'm speaking in general, not specifically about the quoted message. 8)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: PhiaX on October 03, 2006, 03:19:01 am
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

*slaps forehead* ok... it's been said before, but here it is again...

more people buy machinae's album off record label = more cash for the record label (which is bad, yes, but... wait for the next step... are you ready?) = MORE CHANCE OF MACHINAE MAKING ALBUMS IN THE FUTURE

as soon as the record label changes machinae's music, then you have a right to give up on them. but so far they have done nothing wrong. so stop being a dick.


So your saying that you can't be convicted for attempted murder? They already tried to change MaSu...
The attempt might have failed, but Spinefarm owns MaSu now... They are the boss, they might start soft, but if they don't get enough money they can pull strings. If MaSu breaks the deal when that happens, all the better.
I have no grudge against MaSu for the choice they made, however, if you ask for opinions, don't expect all replies to be to your liking.
My opinion is that, based on my own experience, record deals changes music and I don't like that.
Big deal... MaSu is not gonna die because of me, but I can sleep easy knowing that my cash is safe from the corps...
And about the release of future albums... what good are 4 spinefarm forced mainstream MaSu albums against 1 good totaly homebrew album.
About the studio and mixing... if you've got a crap album, you can throw in the pro remastering team, but under that decoration it's still crap.
Like placing a flower in a piece of poo, it's still poo after that, only it looks nicer at first, untill the smell gets to you.
And I for one, do not like the smell of recordlabels.
Is it so hard to understand that in my eyes, paying recordlabels is paying recordlabels, no matter who's album it is?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 03, 2006, 03:23:03 am
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

*slaps forehead* ok... it's been said before, but here it is again...

more people buy machinae's album off record label = more cash for the record label (which is bad, yes, but... wait for the next step... are you ready?) = MORE CHANCE OF MACHINAE MAKING ALBUMS IN THE FUTURE

as soon as the record label changes machinae's music, then you have a right to give up on them. but so far they have done nothing wrong. so stop being a dick.


So your saying that you can't be convicted for attempted murder? They already tried to change MaSu...
The attempt might have failed, but Spinefarm owns MaSu now... They are the boss, they might start soft, but if they don't get enough money they can pull strings. If MaSu breaks the deal when that happens, all the better.
I have no grudge against MaSu for the choice they made, however, if you ask for opinions, don't expect all replies to be to your liking.
My opinion is that, based on my own experience, record deals changes music and I don't like that.
Big deal... MaSu is not gonna die because of me, but I can sleep easy knowing that my cash is safe from the corps...
And about the release of future albums... what good are 4 spinefarm forced mainstream MaSu albums against 1 good totaly homebrew album.
About the studio and mixing... if you've got a crap album, you can throw in the pro remastering team, but under that decoration it's still crap.
Like placing a flower in a piece of poo, it's still poo after that, only it looks nicer at first, untill the smell gets to you.
And I for one, do not like the smell of recordlabels.
Is it so hard to understand that in my eyes, paying recordlabels is paying recordlabels, no matter who's album it is?

well you seem to be the expert! withouth even knowing the facts! LOL! I'm laughing so hard after you post im propably die.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: gaijin on October 03, 2006, 03:23:26 am
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

*slaps forehead* ok... it's been said before, but here it is again...

more people buy machinae's album off record label = more cash for the record label (which is bad, yes, but... wait for the next step... are you ready?) = MORE CHANCE OF MACHINAE MAKING ALBUMS IN THE FUTURE

as soon as the record label changes machinae's music, then you have a right to give up on them. but so far they have done nothing wrong. so stop being a dick.


So your saying that you can't be convicted for attempted murder? They already tried to change MaSu...
The attempt might have failed, but Spinefarm owns MaSu now... They are the boss, they might start soft, but if they don't get enough money they can pull strings. If MaSu breaks the deal when that happens, all the better.
I have no grudge against MaSu for the choice they made, however, if you ask for opinions, don't expect all replies to be to your liking.
My opinion is that, based on my own experience, record deals changes music and I don't like that.
Big deal... MaSu is not gonna die because of me, but I can sleep easy knowing that my cash is safe from the corps...
And about the release of future albums... what good are 4 spinefarm forced mainstream MaSu albums against 1 good totaly homebrew album.
About the studio and mixing... if you've got a crap album, you can throw in the pro remastering team, but under that decoration it's still crap.
Like placing a flower in a piece of poo, it's still poo after that, only it looks nicer at first, untill the smell gets to you.
And I for one, do not like the smell of recordlabels.
Is it so hard to understand that in my eyes, paying recordlabels is paying recordlabels, no matter who's album it is?

Ok, so.. now this even I take offense to. But I guess it's true what they say, the more narrow mind, the broader tongue.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 03, 2006, 05:00:34 am
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

*slaps forehead* ok... it's been said before, but here it is again...

more people buy machinae's album off record label = more cash for the record label (which is bad, yes, but... wait for the next step... are you ready?) = MORE CHANCE OF MACHINAE MAKING ALBUMS IN THE FUTURE

as soon as the record label changes machinae's music, then you have a right to give up on them. but so far they have done nothing wrong. so stop being a dick.


So your saying that you can't be convicted for attempted murder? They already tried to change MaSu...
The attempt might have failed, but Spinefarm owns MaSu now... They are the boss, they might start soft, but if they don't get enough money they can pull strings. If MaSu breaks the deal when that happens, all the better.
I have no grudge against MaSu for the choice they made, however, if you ask for opinions, don't expect all replies to be to your liking.
My opinion is that, based on my own experience, record deals changes music and I don't like that.
Big deal... MaSu is not gonna die because of me, but I can sleep easy knowing that my cash is safe from the corps...
And about the release of future albums... what good are 4 spinefarm forced mainstream MaSu albums against 1 good totaly homebrew album.
About the studio and mixing... if you've got a crap album, you can throw in the pro remastering team, but under that decoration it's still crap.
Like placing a flower in a piece of poo, it's still poo after that, only it looks nicer at first, untill the smell gets to you.
And I for one, do not like the smell of recordlabels.
Is it so hard to understand that in my eyes, paying recordlabels is paying recordlabels, no matter who's album it is?

Ohnoes, corperations are teh suck eh? Who made the computer you're surfing the net on? Who made the chair you're sitting in, the clothes you wear? Is your house powered by a nice little windmill out back so you don't have to pay the 'evil electric corperations' any money? And where did you get that money? I suppose you musy work for a cute indie company somewhere (who again are powered by bigger windmills out back) Or maybe you're sponging off welfare? Who knows? Its all very well trying to sound like some rightoeus (sp?) asshole, but look at exactly how many corps you're funding right fucking now. If its none then good on ya, if not, quit bitching, and go back to pretending you're a big rebel by nicking someone else's hard work.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on October 03, 2006, 05:20:29 am
Congratulations again Machinae for getting to relax a little and keep doing what you love doing, for us, without quite as many stressful things to worry aobut.  And congratulations to all the fans that will be hearing them live sooner than never now. Congratulations to the new album hard into development.

I for one am celebrating, so while those of you that choose to bitch and moan do so, ill be rocking out.



I can't even find a reason to continue with some of these arguements. Certain people have continued to bring hostility from one thread to another. I can't even view a thread about the recent WONDERFUL (in my opinion, and I deserve a fucking opinion too - since some of you seem to keen on reminding us of yours) changes without hearing some negative and non-constructive critisism or threads that are so full of assumption, I couldn't make out the ass behind it with all the bullshit in the way. If you wanna express concerns, do it - but do it with some respect for others as well. And pick a fucking place for it, every thread doesn't need to degenerate over YOUR concerns (you being anyone this might apply to, which thankfully is few).

And before you call me a "fan-boy", as I was so beautifully called in another thread, I'd like to remind that certain somebody that just because I SUPPORT something doesnt make me a fanboy. The fact that almost every single one of us log into this forum on a daily basis however, MIGHT, just make us ALL fanboys. I'd hate the pot to call the kettle black.

So that's what I've got to say. I've kept my mouth shut for a while after another heated debate turned into a completely non-constructive arguement, but ya know... most of the same people doing it here were doing it there too, so I'm seeing a pattern here.

If you arn't happy, that's one thing, if you're expressing your concerns with a level of respect and CONCERN - because guess what, NO ONE KNOWS whats going to happen completely. We can guess all we want, NOTHING has really happened thus far. If you're posting your CONCERNS, I am DEFENITELY not talking to you - Please, continue the discussion and get this back on track. But if you're bitching, and throwing insults, and moaning because SOMEONE ELSE made a decision FOR THEMSELVES that you don't like because your magic 8 ball told you it wouldn't work out in your best fucking interest, please.... Pick a single thread and have at it, I'd never dare to tell someone not to post... but if you're going to post rediculous shit that makes no sense whatsoever beyond your own personal little angsty angeda, I WILL ask you as a fellow forumer to NOT vomit ALL OVER the forums, pick a corner and spew away.

Anywho, with all that being said. Excuse me while I rock out to the new versions of TTLG, RWA, & Rise.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: cloudstrifex on October 03, 2006, 06:39:29 am
Also props to Rob for replying to most of these. He's been way more active on the forums these past few days replying to all the fans than in a long time. It's nice when the badn members actually stay in contact with the fans. :)

P.S. - You should keep staying active...for me. ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Trezker on October 03, 2006, 08:56:31 am
Ok, so.. now this even I take offense to. But I guess it's true what they say, the more narrow mind, the broader tongue.
The fundamental problem with humanity is that idiots are so damn sure of themselves and the wise so full of doubt.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on October 03, 2006, 09:07:18 am
you shouldn't form an opinion based on ONE bad thing happening.

a bad performance from an actor DOESNT make that actor bad


I disagree and if you think about it, you should to.
A) Look at alot of actors in the US (they still make money though, exp's would be music artists doing movies, regardless of how good their acting was the movie will make money).
B) A good actor doesn't have a bad performance.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on October 03, 2006, 12:36:17 pm
I think it's funny that Creative Input and Murder is comparable in some people's minds. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 03, 2006, 12:40:35 pm
I think it's funny that Creative Input and Murder is comparable in some people's minds. :)

so true :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Krelian on October 03, 2006, 12:54:30 pm
I have an idea:

People should stop their elitist bitching about labels and the like and just enjoy the fact that Masu makes good music.

Thank you for your time!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Ratti on October 03, 2006, 01:11:01 pm
I have an idea:

People should stop their elitist bitching about labels and the like and just enjoy the fact that Masu makes good music.

Thank you for your time!

wtf? that's ridiculous n00b!!"313 who cares about that shitty music!?  >:(
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 03, 2006, 03:32:27 pm
yeah, the politics are far more important! >:(
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bocom on October 03, 2006, 04:44:18 pm
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

*slaps forehead* ok... it's been said before, but here it is again...

more people buy machinae's album off record label = more cash for the record label (which is bad, yes, but... wait for the next step... are you ready?) = MORE CHANCE OF MACHINAE MAKING ALBUMS IN THE FUTURE

as soon as the record label changes machinae's music, then you have a right to give up on them. but so far they have done nothing wrong. so stop being a dick.


So your saying that you can't be convicted for attempted murder? They already tried to change MaSu...
The attempt might have failed, but Spinefarm owns MaSu now... They are the boss, they might start soft, but if they don't get enough money they can pull strings. If MaSu breaks the deal when that happens, all the better.
I have no grudge against MaSu for the choice they made, however, if you ask for opinions, don't expect all replies to be to your liking.
My opinion is that, based on my own experience, record deals changes music and I don't like that.
Big deal... MaSu is not gonna die because of me, but I can sleep easy knowing that my cash is safe from the corps...
And about the release of future albums... what good are 4 spinefarm forced mainstream MaSu albums against 1 good totaly homebrew album.
About the studio and mixing... if you've got a crap album, you can throw in the pro remastering team, but under that decoration it's still crap.
Like placing a flower in a piece of poo, it's still poo after that, only it looks nicer at first, untill the smell gets to you.
And I for one, do not like the smell of recordlabels.
Is it so hard to understand that in my eyes, paying recordlabels is paying recordlabels, no matter who's album it is?

You know that MaSu and Spinefarm are more than friends than masters and slaves, you know that, right?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: leicesterfox on October 03, 2006, 05:45:18 pm
It is still amazing to see that there people out there still with their blinkers on.
You know what.......Fuck them.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 03, 2006, 06:07:33 pm
speaking of blinkers...

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/turn_signals.png)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: leicesterfox on October 03, 2006, 06:12:07 pm
That is very arb.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Fensty on October 03, 2006, 06:37:34 pm
I think it's funny that Creative Input and Murder is comparable in some people's minds. :)

yay for Creative Input ABOUT Murder. as for these minds you speak of, they need those top secret government implants they're probably paranoid about to actually inplant some common sense into their heads. I don't even know WHERE he pulled "murder" from, I see absolutely NO connections whatsoever...

Spinefarm have some sweet bands signed on, but I hope this doesn't attract too many of those mainstream emos that you see walking round with bad hair and too much eyeshadow...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: leicesterfox on October 03, 2006, 06:49:01 pm
Yiiiisss, that is one thing I don't want to see.

I know here in South Africa, MaSu are making headway on the LAN side of things.
All the gamers are talking about them.

Thats a good start
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Bates on October 03, 2006, 07:58:41 pm
Ok, just returned. Won't read the whole 20 pages.

w00t, excellent!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: WereVolvo on October 04, 2006, 02:51:47 am
First a reorganized forum, and now this?
Awesome things have happened during my little absence, it seems. Rock on, guys! Good luck with your newfound evil overlords... er, record company I mean ;D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Schattenjaeger on October 05, 2006, 03:08:49 pm
"And this section is for the emos, and this is for the goths, and this is for the punkrockers, and..."
Title: Fucking Sellouts! I hate you guys now!
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 05, 2006, 04:33:48 pm
I remember, back in the days before the release of Redeemer, when there was talk about trying to get a record deal. I believe either I suggested checking out Spinefarm, or more likely somebody else doing so and me seconding. Now this has happened. I hope this to be, when all is said and done, a good thing.

I'm putting in my two cents late in the discussion, but my two cents are old, 19th century ones, and therefore worth more ;D

Yes, Spinefarm did want to change some aspects of the music. They came with creative input. We've done it on the forums a whole lot of times, and nobody ever screamed at us for doing it. As Robert, and hopefully the contract, states, the guys have kept total creative control over their music. This is an important point.

A lot of people scream about Spinefarm being part of Universal, and as such a member of the RIAA. While I don't like that aspect, the potential positive sides, if the band has gotten a good contract, outshines this by far.

But then I wonder: Has the band gotten a good contract? I've heard so many horror stories about bands being cheated off of everything by the record labels, ending up owing the label more money than they've earned. Many record labels, instead of sponsoring and paying for the recording, mixing and mastering of the bands albums, simply let the band borrow money from them to do this. Through doing this, the label will suddenly control the band completely, effectively making them "slaves".

I have to ask you, Robert: This is not the case with your contract at Spinefarm, is it? You don't borrow money from them? If the answer is no, if Spinefarm pays for you without expecting their money back (apart from in the form of record sales, of course), then I am positive to your signing. This, and not whether or not you've signed with an RIAA affiliate, is what is important.

If the above is the case, the signing will mean more time to make music, more time to tour, and probably more money in the bank for the band members. Even if they get less money per CD, and even if they get less money from album sales in total. There are no bands who get rich selling CDs, they get rich selling concert tickets. Remember that, and support the local Machinae Gig.

Rock on, off, or whatever you want. Just make sure to keep creative control and a positive account balance towards Spinefarm.

EDIT: Yes, The Ru. The same applies in Norway as well. But it's still true that the main income of a band is touring.
Title: Re: Fucking Sellouts! I hate you guys now!
Post by: the ru on October 05, 2006, 04:39:16 pm
There are no bands who get rich selling CDs, they get rich selling concert tickets.

Swedish artists also get income from STIM. If you register your songs at STIM, you'll get paid when they're played on radio/TV/clubs/etc...

I'm not sure how it works in other countries, if most countries even have something like that.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 05, 2006, 04:58:17 pm
Yes, especially as metal bands don't get much airplay in mainstream media.
Title: Re: Fucking Sellouts! I hate you guys now!
Post by: robert on October 05, 2006, 06:08:01 pm
I remember, back in the days before the release of Redeemer, when there was talk about trying to get a record deal. I believe either I suggested checking out Spinefarm, or more likely somebody else doing so and me seconding. Now this has happened. I hope this to be, when all is said and done, a good thing.

I'm putting in my two cents late in the discussion, but my two cents are old, 19th century ones, and therefore worth more ;D

Yes, Spinefarm did want to change some aspects of the music. They came with creative input. We've done it on the forums a whole lot of times, and nobody ever screamed at us for doing it. As Robert, and hopefully the contract, states, the guys have kept total creative control over their music. This is an important point.

A lot of people scream about Spinefarm being part of Universal, and as such a member of the RIAA. While I don't like that aspect, the potential positive sides, if the band has gotten a good contract, outshines this by far.

But then I wonder: Has the band gotten a good contract? I've heard so many horror stories about bands being cheated off of everything by the record labels, ending up owing the label more money than they've earned. Many record labels, instead of sponsoring and paying for the recording, mixing and mastering of the bands albums, simply let the band borrow money from them to do this. Through doing this, the label will suddenly control the band completely, effectively making them "slaves".

I have to ask you, Robert: This is not the case with your contract at Spinefarm, is it? You don't borrow money from them? If the answer is no, if Spinefarm pays for you without expecting their money back (apart from in the form of record sales, of course), then I am positive to your signing. This, and not whether or not you've signed with an RIAA affiliate, is what is important.

If the above is the case, the signing will mean more time to make music, more time to tour, and probably more money in the bank for the band members. Even if they get less money per CD, and even if they get less money from album sales in total. There are no bands who get rich selling CDs, they get rich selling concert tickets. Remember that, and support the local Machinae Gig.

Rock on, off, or whatever you want. Just make sure to keep creative control and a positive account balance towards Spinefarm.

EDIT: Yes, The Ru. The same applies in Norway as well. But it's still true that the main income of a band is touring.

Don't worry, there's no such clause in our contract. I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say about it, actually, but I'll go as far as to say this: If the label invests more than they've committed to under certain circumstances, we may lose out on royalties (until the debt is paid). And to be perfectly honest, I could care less about losing out on royalties. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 05, 2006, 06:12:49 pm
teosto is the thing that give moneyzor for the artist from airtime, radioplay etc
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Gravehill on October 06, 2006, 03:05:50 am
Well, Machinae got their deal. I have to admit that there's certain paradoxal feelings I'm having from this news.

Uppermost feeling is that I'm very happy for the band and I'm very happy for us, fans. Machinae Supremacy, if any band, deserves all the best possibilities any band could get. And contract will probably make doing music easier and they will get more fans which they also deserve. So I'm really happy for them. I hope that things will go smoothly and Machinae will evolve always further. Most bands have their "golden days" when they produce their best music and their creativity is at their peak level. I have feeling that best is yet to come when it comes to Machinae. I hope that this contract gives them boost to achieve their creativepeak and make something that really shakes music world. They have attitude, they have talent and they are pioneers so when they hit big (which I'm sure they will do) I'm expecting something incredible will happen. If this does not happen, I'm disappointed since I've always kept Machinae more than average rock band. Musicians can obtain power - too often they end up coming executives in big companies when their creativity ends up and fails. They become part of the system and eventually use their power only for getting their wallet thicker. Modern musicworld is too much of money and fame and most people have forgotten that music could be something else than singing songs to comfort masses. Music can change world. This is what I hope and expect Machinae to do when they have power. They, if anyone, can and will do it : change the world. I'm not expecting government falling (which could be great, however) or continents to shatter : maybe little miracle like making music free, independent, artist based and once again thing that people respect and love because it's sincerity and pureness. That artists could really get their living out of music without parasites living in their expense (read : record industry). Music should be art rather than industry. If someone actually good in it, he deserves to get his living out of it. Today it's nigh impossible because it's companies that make decisions what shit people have right to listen and how. This is wrong because music should be always be interaction between artist and fan, there is no really need for middlemen. If so, why Machinae did sign contract? Isn't it hypocrisy? I think not. World has gone too far and companies have too much power in this time. They suffocicate every independent artist that's working hard and doing good (life)work with his music. Machinae have done well, phenomenally good, while being independent. I just wonder how well it would have gone without restrictions and monopolies of music industries? If this modern system were not so thoroughly corrupted by big corporations they could have done it all the way to the end by themselves. But we live in this time so I understand the line Machinae has taken. It's the only reasonable line if they want to change things in this world. If they don't grow bigger and get more influence record companies would have make their task impossible at the end. Now they have possibility to reach higher and achieve their goals whatever they will be.

So guys : I really like this news and congratulations from me, you deserve this opportunity. This is good thing and I'm genuinely happy for it. It will be really weird to see you guys at record stores, windows, posters, maybe even TV and so on... Hear people listen your music at cars and from radio and all... I've kinda hoped that from beginning but still it's little weird thing... Anyways, it's weird in positive way!

There's still some things that bother me.

Here in Finland we had new copyright law last autumn. It was based on EU-directive and our cultureminister Tanja Karpela (nowadays Saarela) made big deal out of it. At last meters people noticed that whole law was tried to pass through at hurry and that it contained some serious points that were against principles us finns generally keep just and right. Because of that law it's now illegal to make copy of CD at home if it contains some sort of copyprotection. You can't even copy songs from it to your portable player or PC. It's illegal to order things abroad from outside of european economical-area if it's not for personal use. So it's illegal to order manga, anime, classbooks or DVD's if there's community or shopkeeper ordering them. This thing is really crucial since it practically makes owners of little shops at illegal state while they keep on doing it. Both of these laws are broken massively and daily and they are, at present state not supervised at all. Still it's against our moral sense to label people criminals for such things. Our culture minister did lie on several occasions when this law-thing came to processing. Music producers did campaign blaming all critic as false and only after this law WAS approved they acknowledged that critics were justified. Those two things were not only things that were criminalized with that law : it's actually illegal to record anything from TV anymore and it's illegal too if someone wants to organizedly discuss about breaking of copyprotections. You can't even copy a DVD anymore even if it's on your personal use! This all was made through with excuse of fighting against piracy when everyone who knows anything about filesharing and stuff will realize that they have nothing to do with those things. With this law mediaorganizations did got more powerfull weapons to dictate common people's life and make it harder to consume culture. Way the law was pushed through was dirty : lies and faked documents were used to make it go on. There was one true document thou from IFPI that was stating that this law was necessarity and that all critic was fraudulent and false. This document, open letter can be read at

http://www.ifpi.fi/ajankohtaista/article.html?newsid=118

and it's singned by Spinefarm records too. Most record companies in Finland did this, thou. However it makes me sad. I've boycotted record companies that have signed that letter. At past I did buy CD's with several hundred euros per year. Last year I stopped buying them : I've bought only two CD's since that. Reason for this was because I really like that band and their music and they are really nice and sincere guys who love their fans. I respect them and love their music and they respect their fans so I felt obliged to buy their CD despite my boycot.

Last autumns incident with copyrightlaw made me lost most of my interest in music. It was such dirty play and it really felt like artists were either silent and let their fans to be accused as criminals or accused their fans themselves. It made me see most music they do quite phony since there were no respect from musicians side to music listeners so eventually I did find it ever harder to respect or love them or their music. Music depends so much on feelings. Somehow it turned my lover to my enemy or so I see it.

Other than that incident with copyright law I've always liked Spinefarm's artists and I even remember when they founded it back at 1990. Maybe it was just because this it hurted so much when they did sign that letter back then.

So, all in all I've some minor regrets considering your record deal but my faith on you is strong and I'm eager to see what good this contract will bring us. So congratulations for your guys!

EDIT : And yes, I almost forget. Teosto sucks big time : they even "forget" to transfer large sums of money to foreign copyright-owners last (this?) year. They also make up insane royalty-payments for radiostations so that's really hard or even impossible to run netradiostation with Teosto-music on it... It's just costs too much. And for example taxidrivers has to pay royalties for their radiostations in their cars - those radiostation already pay royalties from music they play from records which have roaylties in them as well. It's almost impossible to be musician in Finland without being Teosto-member and whole monster called Teosto seems more like mafia than benefactor for musicians. I hope that you can do things you like to do (like net-releases) there in Sweden so that you can keep maximum distance to Teosto and they idiotic rules. You are the artists so you should have all the rights to your music!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: robert on October 06, 2006, 09:41:25 am
In Sweden it's called STIM, and I'm not sure how they handle their payments, but their methodology is severely flawed. Many corporations, radio stations and institutions have "generalized" deals, so they pay a standard fee per year to be able to play what they want. And who gets a piece of that money? Only the top-selling artists, because it is assumed this is what is being played everywhere.

But then again, maybe it's true and these institutions do not play anything else. Sad thing were to be if they changed so that STIM paid money for downloaded music. Sad, you say? But why, that would surely benefit you? Then they'd only take it through one or two channels, I'm sure, like iTunes or whatever, and our millions of downloads would count as zero in their statistics. And trust me, they wouldn't be throwing no .oggs at that party.

So, I don't hold STIM in high regard, and again I seriously don't expect them to contribute to our band-economy anytime soon. Are people starting to realize by now that we weren't seeing dollar-signs when we signed this deal?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on October 06, 2006, 09:50:26 am
I saw that, but also saw the (potential) consequences of signing, but I am no longer worried about those either, and neither should other people be UNLESS something happens, and it won't.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: the ru on October 06, 2006, 10:13:02 am
In Sweden it's called STIM, and I'm not sure how they handle their payments, but their methodology is severely flawed.

One of the strangest things is (unless I've misunderstood it completely) that arrangers of concerts also have to pay a STIM fee, even when no STIM-protected music is being played.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Gravehill on October 06, 2006, 01:30:16 pm
Are people starting to realize by now that we weren't seeing dollar-signs when we signed this deal?
Yes, I understand it perfectly. I was not critizing the money sharing system but whole idea of this system nowadays. It's that artists should have perfect rights for his intectual property that's lacking in finnish musicworld. All that matters is how much big companies uses promotional money (=advertising at public side, bribery at shadowy side). They make or kill stars in instant. They can make big star out of somebody without musical talents nor any idea behind his/hers doings. Sure, they make perfect puppets and are easy to use. Big companies economical and political power is so overwhelming that they are suffocating every aspiring independent creativity if it threats them somehow. They buy it, sue it or silence it with some other method. And those big companies practically own Teosto and STIM and such : they primarily do their work in benefit for record companies. Artists often lose their rights to their work (atleast here in Finland) which is bad : I think that artist should always have top word when it comes to his/hers music. I think that there should be no one to say how to handle things when it comes to one's ideals or intellectual products. I hope that these things will change in future : artist should be boss and record companies and Teosto and STIM and all such instances should serve artists : they do their work and get some benefits (salary) from it. But they do not OWN artist nor their (intellectual) work : only those physical songs they publish at CD or files at webstores. Nowadays it's all twisted... But this is not only in music business, they do those things in universities and at science as well. I hope that these things will change sometime. And I hope that Machinae will be one of those things that change it someday... Just keep up the good work and try to be as independent as you can. I have always respected you and your music and I'm still doing that. When your music sounds like you and your attitude and band's personality (or soul) will keep same you will do some great music under this contract, I'm sure of it!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 06, 2006, 01:44:55 pm
gravehill you talk business :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 06, 2006, 02:24:25 pm
gravehill is back? since when?! :O
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on October 06, 2006, 05:09:58 pm
Any new word or changes on the distribution of Redeemer Retail yet?

Still wondering if I'm going to be seeing it in stores here in the states (as a release or an import) or if the US peeps will still need to order online/special order from store. :)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on October 06, 2006, 06:01:42 pm
nothing that i know have changed  :-X
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: MDX on October 09, 2006, 11:37:30 am
i read a few pages at the start; noob ramblings


in the middle; nooblet ramblings, some new posters, also noobs, rambling, with the reasoning of our good forumers and robert in between


so i skipped to the last page, that was refreshing, and i have 100% congrats to give to Robert and MaSu, you guys truly deserve every good ounce of exposure to a bigger fan base that comes your way, it is better to be famous cuz youre good, and i could see that definetly rising to a higher amount in time =)


Also i have faith that also all record companies are seen as "evil" (ive dealt with 2 in my time) its how you learn and manage to handle their evilness, don't bow down to the man, which from what i've read, is exactly the attitude MaSu have taken, so cutos and rock the f**k on.


MYM, my word is good.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on October 09, 2006, 11:24:21 pm
If Mecha y Möcha says it so, it is.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: leicesterfox on October 10, 2006, 03:26:13 pm
Hear Hear...
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Lexx on October 10, 2006, 05:41:04 pm
If Mecha y Möcha says it so, it is.

Sucking up? *smite*
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: MDX on October 10, 2006, 08:18:45 pm
gd job lexx. gd kob... cob... mmm... corn.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: megashroom° on October 10, 2006, 08:45:35 pm
Well its quite in time i think, Will be nice to bye your CD:s right in the store.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: jan on October 11, 2006, 02:01:27 am
Congratulations, MS! I wish you all the best of luck in your musical career!:)

(Hahaha, remember my acro-email when you hit it big and need a stuntman for game-effects and spinny/flippy/twisty stuff;)

I love my hoodie^_^
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: DouglasCartland on October 11, 2006, 10:45:58 pm
I'm really happy for MaSu right now. (Just found out, yeah, I don't check the MaSu website regularly enough :/ )

MaSu have been one of my favourite bands for quite some time now (at least two years now I think!), and it's about time that people who don't spend countless of hours on the internet also gets a chance to listen to MaSu. MaSu might finally get the recognition they deserve.

I have one question though. I don't mean to sound rude by saying this, but does anyone know the specific reason to why they've cut out a number of songs on the new edition of Redeemer? I mean, to me it would sound natural to fit as many songs of latest material out there so people who're newly introduced to the band gets as much of their material as possible?

Congrats to MaSu though!!! :D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: cloudstrifex on October 11, 2006, 11:39:01 pm
It's because Redeemer UE is for the hardcore fans and is the way it's supposed to be, and also I think the record company thought 15 songs was too much but I'm not completely sure on this.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: SomethingApt on October 11, 2006, 11:56:32 pm
cant be arsed to find the exact quote... but it's something along the lines of...

the new tracklist wasnt suggested by spinefarm (i THINK this is correct) it was suggested by someone else before spinefarm became involved. rob liked the suggested tracklist so he decided to keep it. as far as im aware spinefarm weren't involved in changing the tracks around.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drakonis on October 12, 2006, 08:06:20 pm
cant be arsed to find the exact quote... but it's something along the lines of...

the new tracklist wasnt suggested by spinefarm (i THINK this is correct) it was suggested by someone else before spinefarm became involved. rob liked the suggested tracklist so he decided to keep it. as far as im aware spinefarm weren't involved in changing the tracks around.

I think you are correct, the previous people they had talked with a bit had came up with a new track list with the band for the retail edition.

It makes sense, to me. If you want to introduce someone to chinese food, you don't start with sushi - yaknow?
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Irrationalist on October 12, 2006, 08:07:59 pm
This is true, they will be lead to the goodness that is SiD in time
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Sasu1977 on October 12, 2006, 08:24:16 pm
Congrats guys :D

maybe we'll get to see you playing few gigs here in Finland someday soon, or is this just wishful thinking?  :)

rock on!
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: dangerbob on October 19, 2006, 04:31:05 pm
:( no empire on the new album :(:(:(:(:(

But anyway, congratulations. Great news :D

Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: The Keaper on October 22, 2006, 09:43:00 pm
Congratulationz!!! \m/ \m/ \m/

Now it's really possible for you to achieve your ultimate goal - WORLD DOMINATION!!! Bwa-ha-ha! :D

Well, I'm really happy about you guys! Signing a contract with such a powerful label is definitely a great thing. More advantages, more possibilities, and so on. As for the "side effects", It's too early to jump to conclusions anyway. All the Robert's posts reassured me that the things are going ok and they're gonna be that way for a while.

The music... well, it changes as the time passes. Today's MaSu are a bit different from those SIDstylish phr34ks from Jets'n'Guns OST.) They evolve and it's their way they choose. I believe there's nobody in the whole-freakin-world-or-universe-or-whatever who has the power to dictate their choice on MaSu. If their style changes, it will be their and only their decision. I'm sure they know what to do, and they definitely know what they want.) I believe in you guys! \m/

As for me, I really love the Promo stuff most of all. FFNv2, Sidolody Ep.1-3, J'n'G Theme are still my favourites. Will there ever be anything like that, Rob? ::)

P.S. Now looking forward 2 see u in Russia! ;)
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Drain on October 27, 2006, 02:39:04 am
It makes sense, to me. If you want to introduce someone to chinese food, you don't start with sushi - yaknow?

Since sushi being japanese and all... ^^ Nah I agree. A first retail album isnt the same thing as an underground album for the old fans.
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: mumppis on November 12, 2006, 09:52:37 pm
time to non sticky this thread i think everyone knows about the deal allready :D
Title: Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
Post by: Xavierl on February 19, 2017, 02:00:37 pm
This was fun to read through.

A decade later, I think the doomsayers had a point. They sold out.