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Title: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Fallout on August 31, 2006, 02:40:47 pm
Hey.i think its better if we are just friends :-) ily as my friend tho :-) xxx
From: Stacey
5:42pm 30-AUG-06

-why??

Sorry i just think it wil b better like that.no particular reason.wil talk 2 u on msn wen i get bak.xxx
From: Stacey
10:36am 31-AUG-06

T_T
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Viherminttu on August 31, 2006, 02:56:39 pm
/me pets and then whacks for saying her gender are bitches
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on August 31, 2006, 03:04:04 pm
Did she flip a coin to come to that decision?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Drakonis on August 31, 2006, 03:07:51 pm
Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself Fallout.

Sucks. Sucks alot. :\
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Lexx on August 31, 2006, 03:09:35 pm
I prefer the "I'm no ready for a relationship." thing, which roughly translates to: "You're too fat.".
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Spunky on August 31, 2006, 03:13:26 pm
Girls hurt me :(
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Fallout on August 31, 2006, 03:13:48 pm
Rad said I should tell her to fuck off..

Why? "For no particular reason."

I lolled.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Viherminttu on August 31, 2006, 03:44:15 pm
/me hurts spunky?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Outboundlight on August 31, 2006, 04:07:04 pm
Angstiest forum summer ever

what did we all do to deserve this?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Layson Juravis on August 31, 2006, 04:11:30 pm
Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself Fallout.

Somehow I read that as "Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself from Fallout." It did light up my day.

But girls aren't bitches, you're only daring such a comment because this board is 90% testosterone. Besides, if you really thought all girls were bitches, you wouldn't care about her comment in the first place. Move on, I've had 5 complete and utter crap relationships before meeting bliss at the age of 23, live and learn. You're now smartly smarter in knowing what you want.

Sorry, if I'm cold and blunt, but I'm really tired of reading messages regarding "Oh noes! The woman I pegged as my girl does not me as her boy! Woe is me for falling for the evil bitch." Its grating, and ultimately unfair.

That being said, she could have been a better communicator.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Ant on August 31, 2006, 04:17:45 pm
Lesson: don't get with girls on MySpace :( sorry to hear about it dude, you didn't deserve it

I do not agree with the topic though, they cuk but aren't bitches, but that's because things are on the look up for me :P
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: MDX on August 31, 2006, 04:25:44 pm
Angstiest forum summer ever

what did we all do to deserve this?

I have been girl free this summer, apart from the fact Cat contacted me.. more info on that when request pj.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Fallout on August 31, 2006, 04:47:02 pm
Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself Fallout.

Somehow I read that as "Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself from Fallout." It did light up my day.

lmao, I think you may need glasses. :P


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Move on, I've had 5 complete and utter crap relationships before meeting bliss at the age of 23, live and learn.

Back in the day, I used to have a diff girl every week->2 weeks or so. I had a gap year and a half or so, then I had stacey. I thought everything was gonna be fine, but exactly the same thing came back to haunt me, being dumped after a week, except now i'm older, and I still cant hold down a fucking relationship.


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Sorry, if I'm cold and blunt, but I'm really tired of reading messages regarding "Oh noes! The woman I pegged as my girl does not me as her boy! Woe is me for falling for the evil bitch." Its grating, and ultimately unfair.

Why does something tell me you're either in a happy relationship or a male feminist?

..or even gay?


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That being said, she could have been a better communicator.

Yeah, I mean she couldve at least phoned me, or waited til she got back from her holiday.

Bitch.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Kobi on August 31, 2006, 05:23:50 pm
I don't agree on the topic but you'll get over it. I've been girl-free all my life and I don't care at all  8)
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Layson Juravis on August 31, 2006, 05:25:10 pm

Why does something tell me you're either in a happy relationship or a male feminist?

..or even gay?


I am in a happy relationship. And while it may affect my view, the truth of things is that after the five miserable excuse for "relationships", I did end up thinking I was miserable because I was alone, that no woman would love me, and that my failed relationships were the source of my problems.

... and then I realized that I was alone because I was miserable, and didn't really know what I wanted. So I spent a year and a half alone clearing it up, starting personal projects I enjoyed, travelling and getting a good job. And then things became easy.

You don't have to take a year and a half off without affections to clear yourself up, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that your likely either portraying a form of misery that would make anyone skeptical, or that Stacy in the end was not who you were looking for.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Spunky on August 31, 2006, 05:26:01 pm
You know, i've fuckign had it. I had a conversation with a friend today and i've abslutely fucking had it with women. Girls under the age of 25 are so fucking random and changing its impossible to do anything right. No matter what you do, what you say or how much your hurt, they will just throw you the fuck away when they see fit to.

When i have a phat fucking car, my own place and a stable life i might look again. That or i'll be gay.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Sirix on August 31, 2006, 05:27:26 pm
I don't agree on the topic but you'll get over it. I've been girl-free all my life and I don't care at all  8)

that's definetly the way to be  8)
I just have a few as friends, but I mock them relentlesly.. so it's really a win-win.. for me.. they lose...
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Smeagol on August 31, 2006, 05:27:48 pm
When i have a phat fucking car, my own place and a stable life i might look again. That or i'll be gay.

Thuper!
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Kobi on August 31, 2006, 05:32:14 pm
I don't agree on the topic but you'll get over it. I've been girl-free all my life and I don't care at all  8)

that's definetly the way to be  8)
I just have a few as friends, but I mock them relentlesly.. so it's really a win-win.. for me.. they lose...

Well I don't mock the girls I have as friends. But they are more geeky then me often. Or the oposite and just work collegues.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Fallout on August 31, 2006, 06:00:07 pm
I get the feeling that this is the wrong place to moan about relationships. The majority are pretty much overly anti-emo, including anti-relationship moaning, the rest have never even seen a girl naked in real life per their own mothers, and the odd few are in a happy relationship so they just dont understand.

Oh and theres a few paedo's, too.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Ant on August 31, 2006, 06:07:11 pm
I understand dude :)
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: CrunchyLizard on August 31, 2006, 06:11:23 pm
Yeah, I mean she couldve at least phoned me, or waited til she got back from her holiday.

So she was on holiday you say?
In that case she's found someone else who's (in her opinion) much better than you in that country (if she's in another country that is).

I haven't ever been in a real relationship, but I do know about the fact that *some* girls become that weird when they're on holiday.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Fallout on August 31, 2006, 06:15:07 pm
Yeah, I mean she couldve at least phoned me, or waited til she got back from her holiday.

...She's found someone else who's (in her opinion) much better than you in that country.

Holiday, one week.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: CrunchyLizard on August 31, 2006, 06:19:21 pm
Yeah, I mean she couldve at least phoned me, or waited til she got back from her holiday.

...She's found someone else who's (in her opinion) much better than you in that country.

Holiday, one week.

Oh, right, I just assumed she were in another country...
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Ant on August 31, 2006, 06:21:25 pm
I have had that experience lately, although i wasn't in a realtionship with the girl, she just went to Spain and got weird with me, but we sorted it, she distracted me by introducing one of her mates to me, which turned out to be my ex i hadn't spoken to in 4 years, i must say, i am very distracted :P
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Fallout on August 31, 2006, 06:22:33 pm
Yeah, I mean she couldve at least phoned me, or waited til she got back from her holiday.

...She's found someone else who's (in her opinion) much better than you in that country.

Holiday, one week.

Oh, right, I just assumed she were in another country...

Oh, yes, she was, but dumping me for a guy shes only going to see for one week? I stand by my point of the thread title.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Goshawk on August 31, 2006, 06:23:17 pm
That does suck majorly, though, to be honest, I don't think she ever cared for you that much if she had dumped you on MSN, of all evil things.

Eh, well. False appearance's. :/
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: ~futilite~ on August 31, 2006, 06:25:40 pm
Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself Fallout.

Somehow I read that as "Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself from Fallout." It did light up my day.

lmao, I think you may need glasses. :P

lol, I read that too. On first sight.

Yeah, I mean she couldve at least phoned me, or waited til she got back from her holiday.

So she was on holiday you say?
In that case she's found someone else who's (in her opinion) much better than you in that country (if she's in another country that is).

I haven't ever been in a real relationship, but I do know about the fact that *some* girls become that weird when they're on holiday.

I think they are just insecure. And in another place, far away from the boy you are *maybe, or maybe not* in love with you just can't really think about it and, I'll admit, I don't know if many girls do this but I tend to have some hallucinations when I'm far away and maybe have nothing to do, so then this explains it a bit.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Smeagol on August 31, 2006, 06:28:02 pm
That does suck majorly, though, to be honest, I don't think she ever cared for you that much if she had dumped you on MSN, of all evil things.

hey, i dnt luv u lol
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Jack Lupino on August 31, 2006, 06:49:43 pm
I get the feeling that this is the wrong place to moan about relationships. The majority are pretty much overly anti-emo, including anti-relationship moaning, the rest have never even seen a girl naked in real life per their own mothers, and the odd few are in a happy relationship so they just dont understand.

Oh and theres a few paedo's, too.
Naw man, we're just trying to cheer your ass up,  get over it, get drunk, and just move on.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: CrunchyLizard on August 31, 2006, 06:57:10 pm
Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself Fallout.

Somehow I read that as "Bleh, I got a simular text last night myself from Fallout." It did light up my day.

lmao, I think you may need glasses. :P

lol, I read that too. On first sight.

*cough*
Actually I did too.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: MDX on August 31, 2006, 07:53:51 pm
You know, i've fuckign had it. I had a conversation with a friend today and i've abslutely fucking had it with women. Girls under the age of 25 are so fucking random and changing its impossible to do anything right. No matter what you do, what you say or how much your hurt, they will just throw you the fuck away when they see fit to.

This.. cant be true IT JUST CANT!!


Im gonna end up your regular constaintine cigarette smokin smooth talkin son of a bitch at bars who doesnt need the attention so DOESNT ATTRACT IT LESSON LEARNT A HOT GIRL COMES UP TO YOU SAY NO AND RUN!

more seriously. girls are fucked up. and i really dont know if i would wait until 25 to date another girl.


Infact, i have a long post coming which we're gonna have to discuss thoroughly.. so bear with me, im going to a birthday dinner now. looking like a hitman, but a sexy sexy one at that.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: daYak on August 31, 2006, 07:57:10 pm
Fallout!! (I know a lot of girls are indeed bitches, but) I'm not a bitch!! i love you (, you know that)!!  :)
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Ant on August 31, 2006, 07:59:56 pm
Some are bad with grammar too :/

Get plenty of photos Uber Coffee i've run out of fapping material :(
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Smeagol on August 31, 2006, 08:02:45 pm
LESSON LEARNT A HOT GIRL COMES UP TO YOU SAY NO AND RUN!

They have lurgies.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Ant on August 31, 2006, 08:08:06 pm
Best thing to do is LOOT BURN RAPE KILL REPEAT then you can say you "R0X0RD THE X0XXOR without getting KNEE-DEEP IN THE XOXX"
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Torp v2.0 on August 31, 2006, 08:42:07 pm
"Fuck me or fuck off!"

No, really, there's a point there. Unless you have a lack of friends, you don't really need more of them? You won't actually become friends, it will be rather one-sided, with you hoping that she'll change her mind, and she considering you a friend. If you want to become intimate, and she wants to be friends, then you should really require that for her to get her need (your friendship) fulfilled, you should get your need (her physical intimacy) fulfilled in return. If not, you'll only be pining for her intimacy, tormenting yourself longer as each time you meet her, the longing fills up more. Believe me, you're better off cutting contact until you're no longer infatuated with her.

I could go on about it, but I'll sum it all up in one sentence: Watch out so that you do not become her bitch.

The fact that she doesn't want you don't make her a bitch. If you ignore your needs to fulfill hers, that does make you a bitch. Her bitch, that is.

EDIT: This post was supposed to be on the first page. However, I pressed post and forgot to check if it actually got through. Then I came back, and noticed that I hadn't posted. I shall maybe post another post, taking into consideration whatever has been posted after that.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Ant on August 31, 2006, 08:43:35 pm
Torp sometimes i want you to fill me up

+1 for hitting the nail on the head
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Smeagol on August 31, 2006, 08:47:10 pm
I shall maybe post another post, taking into consideration whatever has been posted after that.

Spam whore ++
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: MashedByMachines on August 31, 2006, 09:04:30 pm
My girlfriend cheated on me, she had sex with some other guy and then lied about it.

a month later i meet this dude in a festival called "göteborgskalaset" and he goes to me and says "Hey, i had sex with your girlfriend HA"

well all i need to say is that i broke up with her and she loss many friends that thought she was a total asshole.

Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Cerapter on August 31, 2006, 09:36:46 pm
Hayguys.yknow i thot that id be better if i just destroyd the world k? :-) no raisin.just want to try it 4 a chang.jesus still loves you tho :-) hugs&kisses
From: God
00:00am 01-JAN-22


I don't know words to describe how much your ex sucks at breaking up, Fallout. If this is the regular way for girls to do such, then I fear I might've overestimated the average of that gender thousandfold.

You know, some slime moulds have nearly 300 genders, so that on the rare occasion when two meet, there's a very high probability that they can mate, as most genders can mate with most of the others. Now, with humans it's often 50-50 on the gender part, but because we're supposed to be so intelligent, we rely on other factors to decide whether or not a mating is appropriate. What I'm trying to say is, you and her didn't add up, like two slime moulds with the wrong gender pairing. Understand it for what it is, and you might avoid sulking over milk that was spilt even before you two met.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Torp v2.0 on August 31, 2006, 09:58:12 pm
I shall maybe post another post, taking into consideration whatever has been posted after that.

Spam whore ++

And that is why you have 10500 posts, while I have 3600...

Having reread the topic, I think I might have to reconsider my statement. Had you and Stacey been together for a considerable amount of time, Fallout? I read the whole thing as the beginning of a romance that got abruptly cut off. Having flirted a bit with a girl, maybe gotten a bit intimate, does not grant you the right to her, and it's perfectly allright to dispell any wrongful expectations of relationship over MSN. If, however, she was your girlfriend, then that is not a nice way of ending the relationship, and she might deserve to be called a bitch.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Fallout on August 31, 2006, 10:16:07 pm
I get the feeling that this is the wrong place to moan about relationships. The majority are pretty much overly anti-emo, including anti-relationship moaning, the rest have never even seen a girl naked in real life per their own mothers, and the odd few are in a happy relationship so they just dont understand.

Oh and theres a few paedo's, too.
Naw man, we're just trying to cheer your ass up,  get over it, get drunk, and just move on.


Friday tommorow.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Smeagol on August 31, 2006, 10:18:39 pm
I shall maybe post another post, taking into consideration whatever has been posted after that.

Spam whore ++

And that is why you have 10500 posts, while I have 3600...

Facts are for the weak of mind.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Ant on August 31, 2006, 11:03:29 pm
The Topic Title should be changed to girls AND Bitches tbh, so there can be a direct seperation of the two then combining then will be more feasible
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Einkoro on September 01, 2006, 01:13:47 am
My girlfriend cheated on me, she had sex with some other guy and then lied about it.

a month later i meet this dude in a festival called "göteborgskalaset" and he goes to me and says "Hey, i had sex with your girlfriend HA"

well all i need to say is that i broke up with her and she loss many friends that thought she was a total asshole.

Thats all you did? You didn't kill him right there and then go kill her too? Pfft. I guess I'm the only  one here with morals who would do what is required.  :P :-*
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on September 01, 2006, 02:00:10 am
Life happens. The way by which you respond to it defines you as a person.

Who do you want to be?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: yofee on September 01, 2006, 05:47:07 am
Life is a fuckin hole sometimes.

I caught my ex-girlfriend cheating right in the act.
We had been dating for about two weeks when she gives me the key to her apartment. I thought it was a serious thing going on...
I got cold feets so I didn´t call her for three days.
Then I thought I´d surprise her so I went to her place on friday nite around eleven. Lights out and nobody home, enter the door with the key and walked right to the bedroom. And, right in front of my eyes, there's this guy fucking her like there's no tomorrow. I just frozed and said - here's your key... and left. She run after me, naked out on the street with only a blanket (in December, stupid girl) apologizing, saying that she thought I didn´t want her anymore. Three days? And the key?

Then she sent me 20 red roses the next day with a card saying she wanted me back. Didn´t think so...

Later on I´v heard that this wasn´t the first or the last time in her case...
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: L'homme magique on September 01, 2006, 05:55:03 am
girls are pretty.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 01, 2006, 05:57:24 am
If I could choose how I live and love would I choose with heart, balls or with reason?

If I could choose with reason I would not choose woman. Everything is way too complicated with them. You never know what they want, what they really mean by what they say and you can only guess what they plan. So women are like a wending machine where you never know what you get, when you get it, how much it costs and is it really something you want. Only thing you know is that it will cost. I know that women think sometimes similarly about us, males. Women and men are different. It would be way too boring if we were alike. Maybe same gender partners do know better what other thinks and feels and it can safe some time, nerves and energy. So it could be reasonable option from that point of view.

If I could choose with balls it it would be 80% chance that I would pick woman. It's easier to be manly if there is woman where you're compared to. Otherwise every feminine character one got comes more visible and may end up making one to look like a lady or a schoolgirl (tihihiiiiiii....*blushes*). Also my balls like women better. Ugh.

But alas! I've no choice but to live as my heart has decided. Sure, it's hard to live with woman. Nothing seems to be enough, one does too little or if one does it one does it wrong way or too late. And still... They are adorable, aren't they? My wife is for sure. Yes, she can be real pain in the ass sometimes but somehow that pain reminds me of life. She causes pain and cures it. Every rose has it's thorns. I have them too and I understand my wife well 'cause frankly I'm not too easy companion either. So it's enough that we love eachother, most of time we're happy with eachother and other, minor, part of time we tolerate eachother. Life ain't easy when you're alone but it's not easy either if one lives with another person. It does not matter if that other person is male or female, there will be problems. Maybe different problems but problems anyway.

Yes, I've experienced that "let's be friends" situation as well. To deeply fancy someone and then got rejected, it really sucks. Now later when I think about it it could have never worked. We were too different and well, it was not meant to be. But patience paid off. I got better companion that I could ever imagine, true soulmate. It took several tryings, false alarms and disappointments but it really did work at last.

I really think that women are no bitches more than men. Some individuals can be bitches though. They are best to be left alone, they WILL regret it after 30 years when their bitch-attitude has left them either alone or then chained them with someone with no character or own will at all. To tame a bitch, impossible dream.

To find a good woman : intelligent but little bit fool, virtuous but little bit whore, tender but little bit cruel, humorous but little bit serious. That is the happiness! And it's not bad thing if woman is little bit dominant. For me it's not, anyways. It can be highly arousing...
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Drakonis on September 01, 2006, 07:22:41 am
I guess you gotta just take life as it comes. I was engaged for four years and she cheated on me with a guy she met that we both played EverQuest II with. He apparently flew down here and now shes planning on moving to where he is. Go figure. We broke up in late December/Early January. Ironically I've learned she's already cheated on him with some other clown.

It took a long while to get over and I hadn't really so much as had a date since then, until recently anyway. Yep, nearly 8 months. I finally met a girl a few weeks ago that I'd been talking to. We'd made out and all that good stuff, so there was defenitely an attraction. I was genuine with my feelings for this girl though, don't get me wrong - I liked her, but I was at a huge disadvantage from the get go so I well prepared myself to not take it too fast. She was Bi, but much preferred women normally. We connected on some level though. I slept over at her house at her request quite a few times. We never actually slept together though, partially my fault. I didn't make any effort to, simply because the one time it seemed like it was going to happen there was a little bit of alcohol involved and I didn't want it to go down quite like that so I guess I stopped it. I don't think I quite get girls well enough to know if that's a turn off for girls or what, so I have no idea if that has any influence on the rest of this whatsoever. I didn't stop in some horrible way or anything and she didn't seem to mind. The hanging out continued for a while. We wern't officially dating, but we did spend alot of time together and obviously some things DID happen between us.

I could tell though it's going to be rough, again due to the sexual preference thing =P. That's always a killer, hehe. The other night after I snagged my Machinae tattoo actually, I went back to her place and hung out a while. Watched some of the L Word with her (are we seeing the signs here?) and about the time that we'd normally go to bed, she asked me if I would get home okay. Instantly it was a like a soft little slap in the face and I snapped back into my good ol' reality. I knew what it meant, I gave her a hug and smiled and said "Of course" and excused myself.

Sure enough, when I got home I got a text saying "Sorry if I was acting funny tonight". I responded "No problem, is everything okay?". She responded "I have alot on my mind and I dont want to hurt you". I responded back with "Not sure what to say but I think I get you. It's okay, thank you for being honest ^.^" (Yes, I included the super-smiley!)

I was expecting that to be it, but there were a few other texts "Always. Im sorry, I'm just a mess right now". I responded "Well if there is anything I can do to help let me know, and I mean that". She said "Thank you sweetheart", I said good night and that was that.

Whatever the case may be, I wasn't particularly crushed. I think the four year engagement thing kind of made a bit more prepared and just overall protective of myself. It really didn't bother me at all, I refuse to let myself get that close unless I know we're BOTH serious. And besides, we were making pretty good friends when we met and it's cool that it seems that our friendship was spared some terrible mess.

Like I said, at this point on that front I'm taking life as it comes. A while there I shut myself out from it, now I'm just cruising the whole dating/relationship scene kinda slow. I'm very open to it, but I'm gunna let just happen and not worry about it beyond that. :)
Title: Re: Girls are bitches.
Post by: Einkoro on September 01, 2006, 10:03:02 am
Life happens. The way by which you respond to it defines you as a person.

Who do you want to be?

Charles Manson! Sadly I don't have the Vision Thing manly murderous look for it.  :P
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trezker on September 01, 2006, 11:41:57 am
My feelings are not my own. They belong to a very long time of evolution, not me.
Evolution has taught life that you have to reproduce, and that has imbued our bodies with a biological control system that demands love.

I know that love does not come from me, it comes from my ancestors. Love belongs to animals, I don't want to be an animal.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 01, 2006, 03:11:29 pm
Girls are like a macintosh, you gotta sort of "trick them" into doing what you want.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: the ru on September 01, 2006, 07:13:44 pm
Or just throw them out (or sell them? :o) and get something better? :-\
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 01, 2006, 09:34:20 pm
That would be gay, the ru.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: SpeedD on September 01, 2006, 10:13:05 pm
That would be gay, the ru.

I see what you did there...
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 01, 2006, 10:57:10 pm
I know that love does not come from me, it comes from my ancestors. Love belongs to animals, I don't want to be an animal.
Nicely thought. I think that love is only heritage we really get. And personally I think that it's heritage that does not demand bloodline. Everysingle one of us does leave marks on other people's life path. Our life has little or major impact on other peoples lifes. Every life-thread touches many others creating a web of social interactions and interaction of love as well. I think often my ancestors and their life. I'm product of materially poor familylines (I have Karelian ancestors who lost all their belongings in WW2) but they are rich in many other ways. And those marvellous things I have been taught of and those things I have learned under their wings of love it's really an privilege and honour. I have ancestors too not by bloodline but by heart. Teachers, friends, important persons in my childhood and later life (important for me, I mean) and so on. Ofcourse my life has not been all happy : there are fair share of tragedy, violence and sorrow as well. But love is something that I have tried to preserve 'cause it's one of the main sources of energy in my life. Love, lust and faith to be exact.

And what becomes of latter part about that message (animals, love and all) I have written poem once called Kuuhullu (translated : Lunatic). It has one verse that goes:

Veressäin on monta voimaa
Osa niistä pimeyden:
On peto julma, hieman noitaa
Myöskin portto irstauden

Translation:

In my blood there's many powers
Some of them are darkest kind:
Savage beast and shady witch
And as well the whore of lust

To cut long story short : I'm (partly) animal and I LOVE IT! Grrr.....


Girls are like a macintosh, you gotta sort of "trick them" into doing what you want.
Nah, (most) girls are way too smart for that. You think that you've tricked them to do what you want but truth is that they know that you've tried it and they've just played your game along to get you to do what they want. You're happy because you think that you got what you want and she is happy because she got what she wanted in return. (Most) girls are very clever. Males try these instant-conspiracies (minimum effort, fast results) but females can spend long periods of time scheming and plotting to get what they want. Most of them ultimately got what they want and most of males do not even notice what she has done. Or notice it after some time.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: SomethingApt on September 02, 2006, 11:51:45 am
You know, i've fuckign had it. I had a conversation with a friend today and i've abslutely fucking had it with women. Girls under the age of 25 are so fucking random and changing its impossible to do anything right. No matter what you do, what you say or how much your hurt, they will just throw you the fuck away when they see fit to.

When i have a phat fucking car, my own place and a stable life i might look again. That or i'll be gay.

/me crosses fingers and hopes spunky will become gay

but seriously... i kinda agree with that statement. i mean... ive only had one proper relationship, so i cant really have much of an opinion. but when things were going good, she loved being with me, and we had loads of fun. as soon as i reached a hard time in my life (exams coming up, no teacher, etc) and i looked to my girlfriend for help... she just fucked off and made me deal with things on my own. she was bulemic (sp?) and had been in a couple of bad relationships before she found me, and she absolutely hated herself (sounds emo, i know... but she hid it rather well, i didnt find out till id been with her about a month). but i spent about 8 months of my life completely devoted to her, and i KNOW i made her feel 10x better than she did. i kinda assumed that she'd do the same for me, if i ever needed her. but... apparently not :p

as much as it sucks, now i've had time to reflect on it, i feel like i'm better off without her. i don't want to be with someone who doesn't care about me. our break-up dragged on for ages because i had trouble letting go, everything was fine for 8 or 9 months, and then suddenly she was like a completely different person. she'd always told me she loved me more than anything, and she wanted to stay with me forever... and, being naive, i believed her. the worst part was when i got the line "obviously we both interpret the word love differently". her little way of saying she never really loved me :P

soooo yeah, girls suck. but... in fairness... all men are pathetic losers. im amazed that all girls aren't gay anyway. so we can't really complain, at least they give us a chance :P ;D
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Spunky on September 02, 2006, 12:12:29 pm
Amen
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 02, 2006, 04:22:08 pm
SomethingApt, you can't just label all girls just because of a single bad relationship. Now, I've never been in one (relationship, that is. Good or bad) myself, but I know several girls who are caring and stand up for their loved ones, whether friends, family or boyfriends. On the other hand, I know a lot of girls who probably wouldn't, well, not for boyfriends anyhow. At least in my age-group and down (say, 22 and younger), there seem to be more of the latter. It seems to me that there are a larger chance of a girl standing up for or helping you if she is self-confident (a trait that seems to be rather rare), though this does probably not imply that self-confident girls are nicer, only that they dare to help you more often.

I kind of blame the individualistic society we're in, that puts every person in his or her own stagelight and makes us egoistical, for this. It seems that people pick up on all the wrong sides of the freedom they have, instead of the good ones (like thinking for yourself), and I must admit that I can seem rather egoistical at times myself, but if somebody I care for is in actual need of help, and I've registered this, I'm likely to be there.

To be fair, the same goes for guys as well. I am under the impression that a lot of the "nice guys" out there are just assholes that lack the confidence needed to be an asshole.

In closing, yes, SomethingApt, you've had a bad experience. We all have had bad experiences (and if you haven't, I'm not sure if I want to call you lucky. In a way, you are, but bad experiences are important to form you), but the good experiences are out there as well. Instead of shutting yourself in, remember that and get out there. You're allowed a recuperation period after a break-up, and may expect this to last from several months to a year, but don't turn misogynistic and decide that all women are bitches. Because they're patently not. I have proof!
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: SomethingApt on September 02, 2006, 09:15:07 pm
sorry Torp but you're wrong. all girls are bitches. nuff said. case closed. someone lock this thread please. k. thanks.

;D
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 02, 2006, 09:24:23 pm
Can't let you have the last word. :-)

They're not.

Now, the thread can be locked.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trezker on September 02, 2006, 09:43:22 pm
Girls are only bitches if you have a relationship with them...
Or if they think you want a relationship with them, or if they think you don't...

I like girls that don't care.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: daYak on September 02, 2006, 10:45:43 pm

I like girls that don't care.

well everybody, now that trezker said what he likes, you know where you can dump your bitchy girlfriends. so yeah trez you can have all bitchy girls in the world.

... except for me, because i care about my sweetie  ;)
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 02, 2006, 10:49:07 pm
SomethingApt, you can't just label all girls just because of a single bad relationship. Now, I've never been in one (relationship, that is. Good or bad) myself
What ?!

Damn dude, seriously you can charm girls so damn easily if you just try, i thought you've had heaps and heaps of girls !

What's the problem ?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: SpeedD on September 03, 2006, 01:34:16 am
Damn dude, seriously you can charm girls so damn easily if you just try, i thought you've had heaps and heaps of girls !

Getting girls drunk != charming them.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 03, 2006, 01:59:32 am
Hehe, owned by SpeedD.

Nope, I don't have heaps and heaps of girls. The problems are I don't care enough, I'm seldomly on the offense trying to get girls (partially because there aren't really that many girls I feel attracted enough towards to actually make an effort), and that I'm perfectly happy without a relationship. I also have a very hard time falling in love*, which explains the lack of relationships.

I'm not about to get into a relationship unless I'm actually attracted to the girl, on a level apart from the physical (neither will I get into one if I'm not physically attracted to her, of course). And because I'm strange, that goes for trying to get into their pants as well. There needs to be something more than just looks for me to get in there and make an effort. And this "something more", whatever it is, seems to be in very short supply among most girls.

I would also like to point out that I've only been like I am now for maybe two or three years (one of which I was stationed far away from society, in an army base up in the cold north. All was not bad, though. I met Talhoffer, among other things). In High School and earlier, I was a reclusive nerd and way-too-nice guy.

As for seduction, I'm fully aware that girls aren't that difficult to charm. If I can just get started, which is an area I'm not very good at, I tend to do rather well. I love flirting, and will try to set up a flirt with any girl I find physically attractive (well, at least as long as I'm not already flirting with somebody else there and then). How she responds to this, I suppose, might be a part of the "something more" mentioned in the second paragraph (that is, not whether or not she flirts back, but how she flirts back).

*no, really. I think I've only fallen in love about thrice throughout my life, only one of these being fairly recently. Sure, I get slightly infatuated from time to time, but then I realize I don't really want that girl after all. I've no idea why this is, maybe my early attempts at love made me subconciously reluctant to commit. It's probably not a good thing, and for a good while I believed myself unable to actually fall in love. The theory was proven wrong earlier this year, when I suddenly did get surprisingly strong feelings towards a girls I know. Nothing ever happened, there was a writeup about it in here, and I'm not going to be bothered telling it all again, except for mentioning that she came on pretty heavily to me, and I was starting to believe that she really liked me. Which kinda supports the reluctancy to commit-theory, as I did believe she might be interested in a relationship, and therefore dropped whatever "shields" I have and let feelings emerge. This is sounding either very emo or very pseudo-psychological, or a mix of the both, so I'll stop here now.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: SpeedD on September 03, 2006, 02:36:34 am
This is sounding either very emo or very pseudo-psychological, or a mix of the both, so I'll stop here now.

Or ya know...human, whichever.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 03, 2006, 02:54:01 am
This is sounding either very emo or very pseudo-psychological, or a mix of the both, so I'll stop here now.

Or ya know...human, whichever.
Truth be told, i'd say torp has gotta play the field some more so he'll be awesome when the right one comes along...

And that will happen.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 03, 2006, 03:00:44 am
I know. It's one of the reasons I do sometimes force myself to act, despite my gravitation towards carefreeness.

That, and the fact that the way I'm headed, chances are when the right one comes along, I won't just fail, I will not care until it's too late. So I should start caring more about the topic, which would probably be good for me on several levels (from girl+boy leads to sex, and sex is good (well, unless you get aids) to psychological things like making that wall easier to penetrate, and stuff).
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: L'homme magique on September 03, 2006, 03:06:23 am
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watch trailer
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: SpeedD on September 03, 2006, 03:16:55 am
www.jesuscampthemovie.com

watch trailer

And your eyes shall bleed. BLEED DAMN THEM!
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 03, 2006, 03:30:02 am
Hehe, owned by SpeedD.

Nope, I don't have heaps and heaps of girls. The problems are I don't care enough, I'm seldomly on the offense trying to get girls (partially because there aren't really that many girls I feel attracted enough towards to actually make an effort), and that I'm perfectly happy without a relationship. I also have a very hard time falling in love*, which explains the lack of relationships.

I'm not about to get into a relationship unless I'm actually attracted to the girl, on a level apart from the physical (neither will I get into one if I'm not physically attracted to her, of course). And because I'm strange, that goes for trying to get into their pants as well. There needs to be something more than just looks for me to get in there and make an effort. And this "something more", whatever it is, seems to be in very short supply among most girls.

I would also like to point out that I've only been like I am now for maybe two or three years (one of which I was stationed far away from society, in an army base up in the cold north. All was not bad, though. I met Talhoffer, among other things). In High School and earlier, I was a reclusive nerd and way-too-nice guy.

As for seduction, I'm fully aware that girls aren't that difficult to charm. If I can just get started, which is an area I'm not very good at, I tend to do rather well. I love flirting, and will try to set up a flirt with any girl I find physically attractive (well, at least as long as I'm not already flirting with somebody else there and then). How she responds to this, I suppose, might be a part of the "something more" mentioned in the second paragraph (that is, not whether or not she flirts back, but how she flirts back).

*no, really. I think I've only fallen in love about thrice throughout my life, only one of these being fairly recently. Sure, I get slightly infatuated from time to time, but then I realize I don't really want that girl after all. I've no idea why this is, maybe my early attempts at love made me subconciously reluctant to commit. It's probably not a good thing, and for a good while I believed myself unable to actually fall in love. The theory was proven wrong earlier this year, when I suddenly did get surprisingly strong feelings towards a girls I know. Nothing ever happened, there was a writeup about it in here, and I'm not going to be bothered telling it all again, except for mentioning that she came on pretty heavily to me, and I was starting to believe that she really liked me. Which kinda supports the reluctancy to commit-theory, as I did believe she might be interested in a relationship, and therefore dropped whatever "shields" I have and let feelings emerge. This is sounding either very emo or very pseudo-psychological, or a mix of the both, so I'll stop here now.

This post applies to me just as well. Except the army part, the fact that I'm still too nice and reclusive, I've only fallen in love 1.5 times, and I wouldn't get on the offensive even if the perfect girl for me came and hit me on the head. With her breasts.

I blame the fjords.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 03, 2006, 07:49:01 am
fallen in love 1.5 times
Is there a story behind this? was she a parapalegic??

I have currently just started a relationship , everything seems to be fine, normally around girls i would be very nervous and get a hernea eachtime i go out, but it seems i can be myself around her as we have so much in common, she's pretty straight talking, which is good because there is never any confusion in what she's saying xD
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 03, 2006, 04:32:37 pm
Girls are like a macintosh, you gotta sort of "trick them" into doing what you want.
Nah, (most) girls are way too smart for that. You think that you've tricked them to do what you want but truth is that they know that you've tried it and they've just played your game along to get you to do what they want. You're happy because you think that you got what you want and she is happy because she got what she wanted in return. (Most) girls are very clever. Males try these instant-conspiracies (minimum effort, fast results) but females can spend long periods of time scheming and plotting to get what they want. Most of them ultimately got what they want and most of males do not even notice what she has done. Or notice it after some time.
Well, asking stuff straight up sure as hell doesn't work.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 03, 2006, 04:34:57 pm
fallen in love 1.5 times
Is there a story behind this? was she a parapalegic??

No, the first one was just such a typical teenage crush that I feel it doesn't really count. Besides, I hardly ever talked to the girl despite her being in my class for nine years, and she looked down on me as if from atop a mountain, and she was a real bitch anyway.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 03, 2006, 04:37:49 pm
Whoah, this thread is turning into an universal broken relationship thread...


i...i... must get out !!
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 03, 2006, 05:01:58 pm
Whoah, this thread is turning into an universal broken relationship thread...


i...i... must get out !!

You can't escape from the heartbreak hotel.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 03, 2006, 09:56:08 pm
Stay a while Rad, although i'm not really a part of it atm, just like, the inspector or something, someone who is rarely visiting
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trias on September 04, 2006, 10:46:29 am
Stay a while, stay forever!

corrected
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: MDX on September 04, 2006, 06:28:08 pm
how drunk was everybody when page 5 came around?!


Seriously.. i missed out.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 04, 2006, 07:24:57 pm
Yeah.

So uhhmm SOMEONE tell a story.


...


YOU mecha always have cool stories, tell one and recieve lots karma.
Don't make me ask Caud.. Please !
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 04, 2006, 09:32:09 pm
My stories pwn :(
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 04, 2006, 11:32:11 pm
Allright, shoot.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 05, 2006, 12:53:24 am
to stay on topic here goes:

One time, so many years ago, i think about 4 i went to a school disco (i know, it is very cheesey), i use to be very chubby then so i wasn't really expecting any kind of action of any sort. But a group of girls mobbed me and asked if i wanted to to dance with their mate, before seeing i said "erm yeah ok, i guess". When i finally saw her, she didn't look too badly actually, we did the standard my hands on hips, hers around my neck (not strangling, although it felt like it with a grip like hers), she had blonde, nearly bleached hair, extremely puppy dog eyes, a good pair of tits on her and quite a slender body. We chatted for a bit, i found out her name was Sinead and she was a year younger than me, 5 minutes past and being the scared little boy i was, was thinking should i give her a Frenchie? will she slapped me if i just did it, should i ask? while i was thinking all this her mates came back and started going "why not pull her? go on? do you fancy her?"(incidentally the girl who was saying this is now my girlfriend), nowadays i would have had my tongue down her throat already, but back then 5 pairs of eyes just watching you and the pressure was really getting to me, eventually said i don't mind -_-, what an idiot i was for saying that. After some more badgering i eventually did, i accidentally bit her tongue and she 'accidentally' brought her thigh into my balls which hurt... a lot! She then left me alone after a very embaressing experience, which knocked my confidence quite a bit, but 30 minutes later i was determined to not get hung up on it and asked another girl to dance, we danced for about 2 1/2 hours french kissed quite a lot and had a fantastic time and really made the evening awesome.

good enough story?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: MDX on September 05, 2006, 02:23:08 am
Nah.


So does the story have to be about anything or topic related? Ill go with topic related.


So a few weeks ago, this girl contacts me. Her name is C(ill not say what it is, changed my mind) , and she's one of my most notorious exes of all time. I make it sound epic, it was somewhat in the most passionate, yet insane relationship ive ever been in, and i've never loved somebody so much for so little.


To be more precise, she contacted me yes, apologising for what she did to me in the past, which was alot, and asked me if i wanted to meet up for a drink or a coffee, no pressure insued, so i can say no and she would totally understand my decision. So i've been mulling it over.. and i still havent said yes.


btw, here's the history part:


So 2 years ago, and a bit, as it was infact 2003 old years night, and i was at a house party with friends and mixing it up with a previous ex at that party, who then in turn rather than fix things up with me decided to lay down the law by kissing one of my friends, who never knew we went out, because of course at that time we werent that close of friends, anyway. That pretty much destroyed that nite for me, antoher love down the drain it would seem and another lesson to begin slowly learning itself in my noggin. Girls eh? Anyway thats not the point. That night saw alot of drinking, thinking, playing drums (there was a drumkit at this party) and playing piano (there was a piano at this party).

Infact i think its really where i found that my only true escape is music. Again, another story.

So i'm freaking out and i just go and lie down and let it all flow outta me, the rage and the drink, im not an angry drunk, but drink sure as hell doesnt dampen your emotions, well it does, but .. ack you know what i mean. Anyway, C appears, sits with me, asks me am i ok etc, as nobody actually did, NONE of my friends the entire night, granted it was a crazy party of 50 problems. Everybody was having some fight with somebody. So yeah. She sat with me, and i noticed her from then.. but thought nothing of it. So a month later its my birthday, and all my friends head out, my friend and i have the same birthday by a few days; i decided to turn up late and pull a surprise entrance, to which everybody adored and C freaked out and was totally happy i was there.. talked with her the whole night, got on really well, then she pulled me up to the dance floor and we did that thing where you .. ahhh whats it, kiss. yeah. lots.

So this goes on all night, and something begins of it.


The relationshit begins

Now this is one hurriance of a relationship, for me anyway. As it became so passionate yet so unbalanced, in the sense i could love everything about her, and hate everything she did to me; cheat on me, lying to me, deceiving and treating me like shit, but it came to such a stage that i was consumed with love for this girl, i couldn't let her go, and just took it, took everything she did to me, which was worse than what that other ex did to me tenfold.. this went on for about a year and a half.. and the lies got as bad as she was moving to england and couldnt be with me anymore, but wanted to stay.. and her dad beat her.. and god if any of my friends ever began reading this forum id be killed for sharing this information. But yeah, she was a mindfuck of the highest order. Cheated on me several times, and then i let it go, and said one last chance. And she fucked it up.

An aquaintance of mine from my old college, we'll call him CJ, asked me if it was ok that he took C to his formal/prom whatever you call it. I said, yeah, thats ok, as long as he didnt try anything, he said he wouldnt. And i said ok, and repeated myself. (can you see where this is going? yeah thought so) So they ended up getting off, and cat told him that she had nothing to do with me anymore, then told me differently after, i believed him, and yeah, i was right to. Another lie from the girls mouth, and the deed was done. I broke it off with her and never spoke to her again since.


Coming back for more

She knew she'd done wrong at that stage and couldn't undo it.. so things fell silent for about a year, then at a friend of mines birthday party, she turned up, she knew the friend, infact went to school with, it used to be normal for her to appear, but i def sensed something iffy about it.. but continued my night, enjoyed myself and drank on with company. So im sitting in the back garden in a toy pirate ship, massive thing, like a jungle wooden jim. Amazing, ANYWAY.. my company of friends gets exchanged for the company of C, who asks if she can come up and speak with me.

N.B. She came to this party with a boy, whose name is Max. what a wanker, i can tell you his name, i dont like him one bit. Bell end.

She sits down beside me, begins to talk to me, asking how i am, etc, what im at, and then begins to apologise, and cry and splutter about how what she did was wrong, but she wasnt sorry, she knew her bf was watching, and then she does it "i still love you". I mean, what the fuck? why bother? she never told me she loved me in the first place, i told her i loved her, so it was far from balanced. If you still love somebody you should love them in the first place, im pretty convinced she didnt love me, she could simply stand me being around, and i could just about withold myself being around the chaos.

So i kept it cool, and said you dont mean this, trying to reason with her, and then i got saved by a few friends, who and pulled me away.. nothing happened. It was silent again.


Now i dont know how long ago that was, but it was LONG. At least a year ago. This timeline sucks but it was all pretty far back. So heres the thing..


The point of this story?

She contacted me, said hey on msn, i saw it, and kinda trembled.. that feeling you get when a bit of your grim past just appears BAM in your face? i hadnt seen her in so long, i could barely reply, but i thought.. fuck it, what have i got to lose now, im over it, its gone, its past. We sat and talked, got along well like we used to, really well. She said she had honestly changed since then, and didnt know what she was at back then; said she was in a stupid place and really had no good reasoning for any of her actions, put herself on the line and accepted that she was a total bitch and fucked it up big time and didn't expect any good feedback from me if any, but just wanted to apologise.

I accepted it. I said its ok, its past, and it IS past.. but itll always stick with me, but i must admit its made me stronger, so i guess in a way i should thank her, but nah. In all seriousness, i wouldn't.

We kept talking, and she said how she doesnt feel that a sorry over msn is really geniune, and would like to meet up with me for a coffee or a drink or whatever i want, so she can apologise face to face. That one stuck me in my tracks; she left it open for a overweighted NO over a yes, and i said maybe in a month once im back in college, she took that as a no and said thats ok i had a feeling you would say no, but i totally understand.


I said, its not a no, its a delayed yes.


And so..

I sit here now with this question in my head, should i go and meet up with her? Is this all she wants? or could she try again for me? And whats more, would i be stupid enough to let her pull me in again, or is it worth trying again. The only reason i stuck with her was because i loved her so much. I believed i could change her ways if i just stuck with her, stayed faithful and by her side, helping her with whatever, whenever. But it never worked then, if she really is changed, like i always wished she'd become, is it worth another try? or should i just keep moving on, and not open this door again?

I ask your forum opinions. And karma is optional in this situation. To me, but to you all, i shall happily applaud for your useful feedback. Gravehill? *cough* :)

Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 05, 2006, 03:16:53 am
Now that's doin a gravehill.
Also, even though she caused troubles in the past, I haven't changed my opinion over the situation.

Also, im not going to make a lengthy post, because I don't do those.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: daYak on September 05, 2006, 04:30:16 am
I think you should meet up and have that coffee drink thing with her. Just to show that you see her as a friend. BUT if somehow she's trying to get back with you in ANY way, don't EVER think of taking her back. She cheated on you more than once, remember?

If she keeps insisting that she has changed, then you should just tell her "Good, i'm happy you've changed to a better person. So have I."

IF she really has changed, then she'll accept your decision of rejecting her, and take it as a lesson.





btw, applaud for the story  ;D  it sounds real
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: L'homme magique on September 05, 2006, 04:36:53 am
one time i got a girl and we fucked liek rabbits then she fucked some other guy and i was all wtf now im jealous and then she hit me and fuck man wtf i donno what to do help me guys i broke it off with her but still have felings for her in my dick man she was a great lay
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: SpeedD on September 05, 2006, 05:11:46 am
Fuck girls.

There. I said it.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: cloudstrifex on September 05, 2006, 05:16:55 am
Yeah I agree with daYak. Meet with her and let her know you're over her but if she tries to get back with you don't fall for it just leave.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 05, 2006, 05:27:49 am
First of all it's always easy to throw on advices how to play when you're not playing on the field. Advice is cheap but payback is hell. Just think it about this way : whatever I, for example, say it really does not matter.

If I say no, what about then? You do as I say and then after five years you suddenly meet her with husband and kids and see how happy she is. She looks at you, smiles sadly to you and you KNOW : she was changed and that happy man at her side - IT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU. At this precise moment you curse me and my advices and curse yourself for being stupid as you believed what I said. You loved her once and you could have achieved everything that you wanted back then years ago. Bitterness, jealousy, rage and sadness? Pretty much yes if you were not at same situation yourself : with wife you love most in the world, maybe couple of adorable little kids with you. It's very probable that anything of this will never happen. Still, because I don't want nobody cursing me and my advices it would not be wise to say NO because it still might happen even if it's very remote possibility.

If I say yes, what about then? You meet her and seems to be changed. You feel sorry for her and you decide to be friends. Everything is fine and your emotions keep getting warmer. You end up being with her.  Some time, even years go by. Then one day you learn that she has deceived you once more. Nothing has changed and she hurts you more than ever. She absolutely rips your heart to pieces and leaves you as a broken man behind. Bitterness, disappointment, rage and sadness? Yes, if she has not really changed and this scenario becomes true which is, again, very improbable. Still, you might end up cursing me and my advices so it would not be wise to say YES.

First of all, I don't know her. I don't know what she's alike. I don't know about YOUR dreams, fears and how strong you are. I don't know what you're cabable of. I can say what I've learned about myself, thou. Decision is up to you.

I sit here now with this question in my head, should i go and meet up with her? Is this all she wants? or could she try again for me? And whats more, would i be stupid enough to let her pull me in again, or is it worth trying again. The only reason i stuck with her was because i loved her so much. I believed i could change her ways if i just stuck with her, stayed faithful and by her side, helping her with whatever, whenever. But it never worked then, if she really is changed, like i always wished she'd become, is it worth another try? or should i just keep moving on, and not open this door again?

I ask your forum opinions. And karma is optional in this situation. To me, but to you all, i shall happily applaud for your useful feedback. Gravehill? *cough* :)

Meeting someone is not a bad thing if that certain someone does not have a loaded gun with him. Does she have loaded gun? She does know your weaknesses and you have still feelings toward her. This were easier question for you to answer (you would not be asking them here anyway) if you did not have them. You know your feelings. Now weight them. Measure them up and do not ask what's that she really wants but ask WHAT DO YOU WANT. Do you want to see her? Do you even want to chat with her even when you have your doubts? What it tells that you have doubts even when she asks you merely to chat over coffee? Is it because you've learned about her that much or is it your own insecurity? What's best possibility that might happen? Worst? What if nothing happens? If you're happy for this situation now why to change it? Do you hope that you might end up being friends? More? Do you even want to be friends with her after what she did? Do you want her or want her to want you? If so, why ask other questions?

Foreseeing future is hard thing to do. Only way to do it is by reading history.

If tiger would come to sheep and say that she's changed would sheep believe her? Would they pasture together and eat grass? Tiger is hunter. It's her instinct. Sure, you love stripes. But there still are zebras and they eat grass too. Sheep cannot chance tiger. Sheep cannot chance anything. With zebras, sheep does not have to. Can tigers be tamed? Yes they can be. But it's still tiger. And you know how cats are. Even when you get along them well you will get cuts. How much scars she gave you hurted? Can you take it another time? Do you WANT to take it another time?  Some of us do want to be dominated, hurted, even abused. Some have even pleasure of it. Others, they just feel that they've been castrated. What's your desire? Is it realistic? Can you achieve it? Do you even want to achieve it even if you could?

People can't chance. Their soul will stay same. Their actions may chance but the inside stays the same. It's same as with alcoholics. Even when they don't drink they are still alcoholics. They don't harm anyone, not even themselves anymore but if they drink even sip of alcohol it could mean that old days are back again. Change prevails until one gives permission to oneself to get back to old patterns, even once. It's same as with cheating. None cheats until they give permission for themselves to cheat. Not fighting against temptation, when it occurs, is permission to cheat. People give up. You know her past. Even if she's changed it might reverse some day. Can you trust her? Do you have faith in her? If you don't trust or don't believe that she is changed it's only hope left that you have.

If you play cards, do you want to put everything on one card that you hope to be winning card? I have done so sometimes and won. Sometimes I've lost. When I did have card that I have faith in I have won more often. When I did trust that my card will win I've won most. Just measure the risk and decide your bet. In love one does tend to put everything to game. Their soul, their heart, everything. That's why it hurts so much when it fails. Are you risk-taker?

I've not been on same situation where you are now. You can go, have nice chat and everything goes fine. Another chapter in life ends well. Or then not. Anyway it ends up it's your decision. You have accepted her apologies and you are not indebted to her anyway. As far as it goes this chapter might end as well here. It's still happy ending if you're asking me. What more could you both get by meeting? What could you get? Is it worth it?

Sorry. I keep asking questions instead of answers. I hope that they can help you to figure out what you want to do. Which way you ever choose to do, good luck with your decision. I hope that it goes best way possible.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: cloudstrifex on September 05, 2006, 06:53:37 am
Beautiful....simply beautiful! *tears*
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: the ru on September 05, 2006, 08:45:37 am
My immediate reaction is: Don't.

I don't believe in people changing. I don't believe in "let's be friends". I see no way through it without a lot of suffering.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trias on September 05, 2006, 11:08:38 am
This sounds all very, very familiar...

Well, in my case, the feelings were gone after such a long period of time, so I had not much to lose by seeing her again.... or I even learned about that I got finally over her by meeting her again...
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: MDX on September 05, 2006, 03:31:36 pm
Thank you all, cept magicman :P and especially Gravehill, i expected much, and you did produce. And those questions are interesting ones indeed, theyre in my head, turning about within the cogs so ill definetly have alot more to think about now.


Funnily enough gravehill, her name is Cat, i felt it ok to say now seeing you brough up the sheep tiger reference. Very interesting. Maybe somethings are too good to be true, and i should just let it be. I'm motionless on the decision, for now, however.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 05, 2006, 04:05:37 pm
Well ,let's just hope you're the "win" with this situation aswell.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 05, 2006, 06:16:29 pm
Actually, Mecha, you also forgot to remove the name once in your text. So we knew already.

Unlike what Gravehill said, people can change. People can change a whole lot, for better or for worse. It's all about what they experience. I'm a different person today than I was five years ago. Obviously, there are similarities, but I am still not the person I was. There have been fundamental changes to my worldview, and there have been less groundshaking changes.

To say that one cannot change, that a person is always who he or she was, is completely wrong in my ears. Change takes time and the right conditioning (that is, the person must realize that what he or she does hurts not only others, but himself as well, typically by being hurt by his own actions (either directly, or through someone instilling the conditioning (almost like Pavlov and his dogs :-) )), but also possibly through a whole lot of insight), but it happens. And it happens to everybody, as long as they have new experiences. The more alike to your own frame of mind and worldview your experiences are, the less you change, the more you remain the same, and the deeper your traits will be ingrained. New, different experiences, regardless of whether you conciously decide to better yourself and therefore go out and get the required experience, or because you're trust into them by forces outside of your control, will change who you are. There's no core that's unmalleable, though some traits are more deeply ingrained into your personality, and therefore more difficult to change.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Drain on September 05, 2006, 06:49:42 pm
Something almost like that happened to me about a year ago. We decided to be friends and now we are friends. Worked out fine. But our feelings for eachother wernt THAT strong and people work differently so I guess its up to you :p
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: MDX on September 05, 2006, 07:00:20 pm
Actually, Mecha, you also forgot to remove the name once in your text. So we knew already.

lol so i did.


Hmm, well its both arguements that im gonna have to choose for myself, damnit it isnt any easier like..

I would like it if she'd have changed, if i could go out with her again would i? i have a totally different life now, there are so many aspect i dont know how to hold onto and focus with.. meh, thanks again guys, torp v.much included.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Lexx on September 05, 2006, 07:05:41 pm
Fuck girls.
There. I said it.

That causes just as much trouble.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 05, 2006, 09:30:05 pm
I also believe people can change. Perhaps it's because I'm not old enough to see that error in that, but you never know.

Perhaps she has changed. Perhaps she's no longer the person who hurt you over and over. But if she has changed, that also means she's no longer the person you loved either. And if you were to gain more feelings for the new her, it would — arguably — be on false grounds.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: CrunchyLizard on September 05, 2006, 09:39:46 pm
Not that I have much experience in this field, but I guess you could give her a chance to show if she has changed or not.

Before you give her that chance, though, you should determine whether or not you want to take her back if she has actually changed and whether or not you'll be able to let go of her again if she hasn't. If she hasn't changed you just let go of her and avoid getting back into the same mess as before, but if she actually has changed to the better you can just keep on loving her as you did earlier.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: the ru on September 05, 2006, 11:20:04 pm
People can change a whole lot, for better or for worse.

This sounds a bit out of place, coming from someone who describes himself as cynical.

Of course motivations and experience changes over time, but I still believe we remain mostly the same during our lives. Someone who sees everyone else as rivals and gets pissed off whenever losing is unlikely to ever learn to appreciate a fair and friendly competition. Those who are primarily concerned with their own well-being are unlikely to ever understand the needs of others. Gullible idiots rarely learn their lesson and let others keep abusing them. Bitter and dejected people usually bury themselves ever deeper, to shield themselves from the outside world.

Over all, there are a few nice people, but most are just rotten and deceitful within (at least in our western civilization; I haven't had the pleasure to get to know every indian or african, perhaps they are "better" people). Or maybe I just think the worst about people because I really see these flaws in myself but doesn't want to accept them, and just decide to blame everyone else instead.

There were some other things I was going to write but I'd better stop, I'm getting a bit emo here I think.

Anyway, about MYMs problem; if you think you can handle it, go for it. Are you ready to lower your shields and expose yourself to her malice once again? You'll have to, if [you want] things [to] get serious again. OTOH, why the hell should you care? You've already given her too many chances; she couldn't handle it, move on, nothing more to see here. There are way too many fine partners out there, waiting, to allow oneself to get hung up on someone who just keeps bringing more misery. If I was in a similar situation, I'd probably choose not to see her again, but as I know neither of you, I'm not qualified to provide anything more than very vague and ambiguous thoughts that will probably just make it harder to reach a decision.

Or you could go for alternative C: trick someone you don't like into meeting her instead. If they become a couple and she turns out to still be the bitch she was back then, you've won that knowledge without effort, and you've given your nemesis a personal hell as well. If they become a couple and she does prove to have changed, you could simply slay her new mate, burn their village and steal the woman back to your tribe. Either way, you win.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 05, 2006, 11:49:48 pm
Some things never change, and some things do.

Crappy movie and silly quote, but it's true. People can either change or not change, and while some people can't at all, others definitely will. Some characteristics might never change, though, but that does not mean other characteristics can't.

Then you've got masks and images. One can build new images that are not oneself, and also drop them, revealing a more "true" self. If the behavior of this girl was an image she has thrown away, she might truly have changed. But if the new her is an image and the old her more true, then she's likely to turn back to her old ways. But even if she has changed, it's not easy telling which is which, not even for her.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 06, 2006, 01:52:50 am
Unlike what Gravehill said, people can change. People can change a whole lot, for better or for worse. It's all about what they experience. I'm a different person today than I was five years ago. Obviously, there are similarities, but I am still not the person I was. There have been fundamental changes to my worldview, and there have been less groundshaking changes.
Now I know I should have sent that longer version instead of this where I cut the story short. First of all I was about to define what I mean when I refer to individual. I see individuals as "well". When you look at them, you only see the surface and see what kind of waves wind or dropping object creates there (how people react to certain things). You don't know how deep one is : is it 10 metres or 10 centimetres. When one does experience about that "well" you slowly learn more about how deep it is. Still you see only surface. Who is brave enough to dive into well? Who knows what kind of monsters lies there waiting for their victim? When your in love mutually each other grants other access to one's secret world, at least some part of it. You gradually learn to see deeper. All the pain and joys that unify you shows more light to abyss of your mate's well. In some point one's own well and other's well are unified and there is much same water running on them. But the heavy water in the bottom of the both well stays same.

This my view of human soul or existence is quite hard to describe so please be patient. I try my best effort and hopefully someone understands what I mean.

So, the well of human soul is on two layers : first there is that water we want (or let) others to see. It's very lightweight and constantly changing. Then there's heavy water, our inner self, secret creature oslt. It's very vulnerable and it tries to keep away from light (not to be seen). When one is in love that creature comes visible to partner and there is possibility that that our most genuine and real self gets rejected. It hurts like a hell. But when someone loves that creature with all it's mistakes and ugliness it feels good. Still even that loved one cannot see whole truth. There is always something secret from loved ones, even from person itself. For example, I'm always searching and exploring my well. There's nothing new there, not since teenage. Same water everywhere but still I keep finding things that I've never found out before. Still, when I think about it I can see them as a part of my life so long as I remember. It's just I've never thought of them, accepted them or found them. They've always been there, acting behind shadows.

Well my theory about people changing goes like this : yes, people can change on certain degree if you think only what you see as "well" or it's surface. But the creature inside, heavy water, the true self, cannot change. People can change their behaviour or their life but they cannot change themselves. Deep inside there's still that same motor running no matter how chromed the outside is. Sure, it might seem like a big change when you see that someone from outside. And some even feel that way when their reflecting themselves. I know, because I once did. How people interact with other people, how they move, speak and do things. What they say and how they lay. It's still all only surface. It's flesh that we see, not soul, and the soul stays same.

Like me, for example. Nowadays I'm much happier than I was on my teens. At same time I've felt such pains and sadness that I never thought were possible. People see that happiness because that's what's on the surface. I smile a lot, talk about positive things, laugh and most of time I'm in good moods. It's harmless, fun and bright side of me. Pain, sadness and sorrow lay little deeper. Only closest friends see them and understand them. They are always there but they are in control. Even deeper there's layer my loved one sees : it's almost 100% true me. There are only few things that she cannot see. On the other hand there were no words for me to decribe them to her even if I wanted to. I know those things do exist but they are too abstract to tell, beyond any human vocabulary. I think that she have felt or sensed something sometimes but like I said - they are things even I cannot understand wholly or see clearly enough.

All this "changing" is a matter of control and experience. People learn by experience. There are inner motives, things that keep us rolling and then there is urge to do as those motives command us to do. Then there is control over motives. Let's take LUST for example. Amount and direction of lust varies among people. So does control over it. Some people know how to control it, some do not even bother trying. Every motive can be controlled. It's not really question if people are weak or strong but it's about how strong is their motivation for control. And control is as strong as motivation of control. What one can achieve by doing as motive urges? What harm or greater good there were if one does not do it or do it? Is the amount of time and energy worth doing it? Let's take example.

There is a boy and an appletree. Appletree lies at neighbours side. There are delicious, red apples and boy LUST over apples. There are some problems thou. Neighbour is a strict man who consider taking an apple as stealing. And he has big dog too. What would boy do? Save money to buy apple? Try sneaking there daytime when dog is in but man is watching? Try sneaking nighttime when dog is out but man is sleeping? Try getting apple when they both are hunting ducks at  pond but when parents are watching? Is it easier to be without apple at all? When there were possibility that no one sees but all the apples from low are taken is it worth effort to climb on tree and take apple there? Is it better to wait if there's better opportunity? What if there is no better opportunity? If there were opportunity boy still feel it was wrong but does amount of lust go over his morals? Is it only morals that prevents him or is there some concrete fear behind that too?

If that dog has bitten boy he would not select time when dog is on watch because of fear.  He have learned that over experiment. Killing dog over apple is not very clever thing to do especially when he would be suspect number one. Has that dogbite changed boy? I bet he still lust over apple and dreams about it. He just don't do anything because he control his urge because of fear. Same goes with everything.

We might learn by experience and alter our behaviour or life but the inner person stays same. Same goes with ageing and hormones : boy will grow up and became man, girl becomes woman and so on, to the grave. There is some maturing and learning through life but eventually people's inner self changes very little. I do believe in lifelong learning. I do believe that people might become "better" - not because they have changed but because they have learned to control their actions better, more creatively and more responsible way.  In that way, people can change. One can't see how deep that change is. Still they are same ones there deep inside. Tiger is still tiger even when it's tamed.

I know it's not very clear presentation but it's best that I can do for now. I hope that someone understood that. In the matter of fact it's not far away from the ru's comment nor from Torp's comment.

*Sigh*

These things are complicated.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Caranfin on September 06, 2006, 08:36:13 am
I think that I understood that and I believe that's the best description of the human soul I've ever seen. Tell me, how the hell don't you have more karma?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: the ru on September 06, 2006, 08:41:32 am
I gave one a few moments ago! :D
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 06, 2006, 09:42:12 am
I think that I understood that and I believe that's the best description of the human soul I've ever seen. Tell me, how the hell don't you have more karma?
Well thank you. It's nice but rare occasion when I try to write/speak about things and someone really understands what I'm trying to say. It's been like a curse to me since childhood. It's like I'm talking some alien-language or something. I've always been considered weird case. I'm happy thou that most of my friends (like my wife)  are alike and speak native alien too :D

I don't have more karma because...

YUhmm....

I think it has something to do with Costner sausages and/or gay-commandoes rescuing me? They bring bad karma, you know. Escaping Big mumppis' prison and all.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Caranfin on September 06, 2006, 10:51:02 am
So... Costner sausages and/or gay commandoes have some sort of a bad karma field around them? Like... 2d100 bad karma points per rescue? Or was it the prison that had the negative effect?

More seriously, though. I don't see a problem with understanding that explanation... Unless, of course, I misunderstood it. :P

Less seriously but on topic: Yeah... Girls.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 06, 2006, 11:24:29 am
So... Costner sausages and/or gay commandoes have some sort of a bad karma field around them? Like... 2d100 bad karma points per rescue? Or was it the prison that had the negative effect?
Negative karma effect of Costner sausage is based on it's horrible ugliness and it's bad acting.

Negative karma effect of gay-commandoes is based on their way of doing rescues. It's fun to be free but payback is bitch and costly. No, payback is not girl because girl is not same as bitch and gay-commandoes do not want girls. They would not be gay-commandoes if they did, I guess. Anyway, every time they need bitch they come and take one readily teached from the BITCHSCHOOL, otherwise known as the ûber-security prison of mumppis. After rescuing one becomes slave of gay-commandoes for certain period of time. It's called military training. You can actually graduate as gay-commando there if you do full service. How long time you spend ther , it all depends how good bitch one is. I was really good bitch, he could not stand me longer than one week. Tihihihihiiiiii... I was so naughty and it brought me bad karma big time...

Prison has bad karma effect too. Bubba makes there bad things that bring bad karma if you don't pay him. And you will pay in one way or another.

You can't escape bad karma.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 06, 2006, 11:26:27 am
I guess that I should try to sleep more. Stupid posts do stupid karma and I have plenty of them unlike sleep.

Damn.

EDIT : AAahhhh... I did take 3 hours daynap and it really did the trick - I'm back to track. Recommended.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 06, 2006, 11:49:43 pm
Ugh im tired as well..


But unlike some people, i don't talk the whole day about hard gay and karma.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 06, 2006, 11:56:38 pm
I share you curse and gift, Gravehill — given that you're talking about the way you explain things and not grammar — but I will not hesitate to say you're far better than me at it. Also, I don't always bother using it, it gets monotonous showing just one of my sides wherever I register. While some would regard me a wise truthsayer at other boards, here I am far more content with decorating the whole place with pikaboobs, which also saves me a truckload of time I'd otherwise spend making lengthy entries.

My version of your metaphor was once the difference between a nucleus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleus) and cytoplasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytoplasm), but now I think a seamless transition like the water in a well is a better fitting model in many cases. I, too, have referred to the inner core as a creature, but I'd assumed that that was just me and my borderline furryness.

But there's one thing I, for one, dare not answer; where did the creature come from and when was it made? Neglecting any reincarnation theories, the real question is when the surface of this core fastened, if it did at all? Is the core purely genetic, and if not, how much is it affected by the outside world, and for how long? Many will agree, after having lived for some decades, that one does not simply change one's own core. Some might've tried and failed. But what about those years when you don't think about cores and changing them? We should all have experienced how the teenage years shapes and changes the mind. I, at least, knew nothing about my core before this. Might it be possible, then, that the outcome of the core all depends on what you settle down with as the surface fastens in the late teenage years, or would the core be the same whatever you did in those years? If the former, then someone could be able to change themselves drastically, if they just do it when they're young enough.

In other words, might you perhaps be able to change your core if you do it while you're filling your own well? If we ever do fill our own well. How much water are we born with, and how soluble is it with additional water? Does it differ from person to person? I dare guess a yes on the last question.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 07, 2006, 12:40:48 am
But unlike some people, i don't talk the whole day about hard gay and karma.
You're a wise man and path you have chosen will bring you massive amount of good karma and keep you away from harm's (that commando had name, Luke Harm...) way.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Jack Lupino on September 07, 2006, 12:57:58 am
But unlike some people, i don't talk the whole day about hard gay and karma.
You're a wise man and path you have chosen will bring you massive amount of good karma and keep you away from harm's (that commando had name, Luke Harm...) way.


...


Did you just smite me ?
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Kurt_ on September 07, 2006, 01:07:43 am
''We can still be friends!''

Bullshit.

Bulllllshit.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 07, 2006, 01:30:52 am
Is it Kurt?

It is Kurt?

It is KURT!

Sorry, just had to. You're welcome to stay, if you behave less spammy than the worst of us. Also, I do agree. Friendship when one side is still in love with the person is a really bad idea.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 07, 2006, 01:52:42 am
I, too, have referred to the inner core as a creature, but I'd assumed that that was just me and my borderline furryness.

But there's one thing I, for one, dare not answer; where did the creature come from and when was it made? Neglecting any reincarnation theories, the real question is when the surface of this core fastened, if it did at all? Is the core purely genetic, and if not, how much is it affected by the outside world, and for how long? Many will agree, after having lived for some decades, that one does not simply change one's own core. Some might've tried and failed. But what about those years when you don't think about cores and changing them? We should all have experienced how the teenage years shapes and changes the mind. I, at least, knew nothing about my core before this. Might it be possible, then, that the outcome of the core all depends on what you settle down with as the surface fastens in the late teenage years, or would the core be the same whatever you did in those years? If the former, then someone could be able to change themselves drastically, if they just do it when they're young enough.

In other words, might you perhaps be able to change your core if you do it while you're filling your own well? If we ever do fill our own well. How much water are we born with, and how soluble is it with additional water? Does it differ from person to person? I dare guess a yes on the last question.

I think creature is right word in english for that. Right from the start there are some "seeds" that can be seen after birth. Personal customs, temperament, activity, interests and so on. Sure, all babies have certain similarities as well as we adults do. But still they are individuals even if they are helpless and incapable of doing much. There are so much more than mere reflexes and instincts even in newly born baby (providing one has rested after birth which is quite tiring operation for those little fellows). It's amazing. I've read dozens of theories about child's psychological and physiological growth and still they lack reasonable explanation why does newly borns differ. And funny thing is, that certain character stays pretty much there through all the life. Reactions and counterreactions may change the way it acts or seems out but still it's there. It's beautifull, really. I mean there are lots of positive and negative "seeds" or motives in us all and I think that experience and learning will alter what parts of those characters come nearer the surface. And it's really fascinating how those positive and negative seeds all are fighting of their opportunity to get nearer surface, to dominate. It's like war was raging inside one.

I think that puberty when hormones start to kick in is that part of life when that war is raging most violently. The lighter water on well is moving violently, like storm. It's the time when those seeds are ordered so it makes that surface water stay relatively calm. It's kind of state of harmony (or lack of that) that one finds. Still all the negative and positive seeds are there, acting but not showing. But their way of interactions goes so that it's possible to live on : costant war between seeds would be very disastrous to individual and eventually one would not get anything done. One could not know what one wants. When those seeds are strengthened or supported by other people or experiences there is possibility to change one's motivation towards one's motives. When balance is found here one does know what path to follow and how to follow it. Of course choosing golden path of middleway is easiest one : there is not so much inner struggle. If one decide to follow certain principles that are closer negative or positive seeds struggle gets harder. I suppose one can learn to put other seeds more on the background but it's not easy in the start. There will likely be "temptations" or wars even later, in relative harmony as well.

I think that these wells of souls are connected with some network of basewater. Where is original spring where the flow comes? How those wells alter? I think that basewater is more than mere genetic familytree. It's sum of all sums, all counted together. I think it as legacy of love. Sure, there are some genetics too but there's lots of more too. Sure is that some wells are fuller than others, why? Some have much heavy water and little light water, others are opposite. And then there are those who have plenty or little both. I think that as child is quite open to anything in child we see that creature most clearly. That's why parents often knows they child best (if they have kept their eye open, I mean). After time, especially in teens one must protect that harmony inside well. That means that one must filter the wind, objects and rain that comes in. That's what light water is for. It's all because of harmony. Without core, light water, filter it would be all chaos. Like a child that runs towards anything one sees. That's why we are blind and deaf sometimes. It protects us and helps us to motivate and consentrate. Light water is surface - the behaviour and life that others see. Truly genuine and open adult is like child. There's no much light water or then it's very clear to see through. First alternative is quite bad for individual 'cause it often leads one to be abused by others. Second alternative is not that bad 'cause water still protects one : others can see creature but it's still protected by thick layer of light water.

Well... I think that's enough water for this day.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 07, 2006, 01:59:12 am
Did you just smite me ?
No I did not. I smite rarely. Since I became back I haven't yet smited anyone. I have applauded once or twice thou.

EDIT : OOopppss I did it again (Tihihihihiiii). Applaud, I mean.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trezker on September 07, 2006, 11:00:55 pm
You ARE an applaud.  8)
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 08, 2006, 02:43:49 am
You ARE an applaud.  8)

Never use that on a girl Trezker (-__ -')
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trezker on September 08, 2006, 11:49:56 am
The swedish version with emphasis on YOU instead and spoken instead of written can have an amazing effect.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 08, 2006, 11:58:16 am
Could i get a sound recording of it, then i can mimic it and get laid more often
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 08, 2006, 01:11:20 pm
You ARE an applaud.  8)
Uuuuhhhhh... You made me do it again, you rascal!

clap clap clap clap clap

/me  the furry schoolgirl dances in rhytm of "Don't let me be misunderstood" by Santa Esmeralda
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trezker on September 08, 2006, 01:41:12 pm
Could i get a sound recording of it, then i can mimic it and get laid more often
YOU are a sound recording.

I never said it was used to get laid.

It has to be adapted to the situation.
(your reply to me after I say that would be "YOU are adapted." or "YOU are a situation.")

Sometimes it becomes a very funny insult, other times a compliment and now and then it just fails.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 08, 2006, 01:54:33 pm
YOU are a very funny insult
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 08, 2006, 02:21:37 pm
There you have it.

We have it as well, here in Norway. It generally just sounds stupid, but oftentimes so stupid it sounds funny.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Fallout on September 08, 2006, 02:23:54 pm
YOU are a very funny insult

YOU are a retard



oh, wait...
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Torp v2.0 on September 08, 2006, 02:29:04 pm
Sorry, Fallout, that's not how it works.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Fallout on September 08, 2006, 02:40:32 pm
damn.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 08, 2006, 07:07:10 pm
In Finland we say "you mother was". Like...

You mother was applauded.

Oh. She really DID!
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 08, 2006, 07:07:56 pm
In Finland we say "you mother was". Like...

You mother was applauded.

Oh. She really DID!

Your mother did (me all night long). :D
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trezker on September 08, 2006, 07:55:20 pm
Sorry, Fallout, that's not how it works.
YOU are not how it works.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 08, 2006, 08:11:14 pm
Your mother did (me all night long). :D
If there was woman doing it all night long it probably was my mother. I did not know that you're on mature thou? Anyway, now you know where I got my genes :D (delicious, maturing beautifully, totally sexy and insatiable). Grrrr....

/me  sings "You Shook Me All Night Long" by AC/DC [me]
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Trias on September 08, 2006, 08:24:42 pm
In Finland we say "you mother was". Like...

You mother was applauded.

Oh. She really DID!

Germany, too
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 08, 2006, 09:40:31 pm
This is getting silly.

Silly like your mom.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Gravehill on September 08, 2006, 09:42:09 pm
In Finland we say "you mother was". Like...

You mother was applauded.

Oh. She really DID!

Germany, too
U2
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Smeagol on September 08, 2006, 09:42:43 pm
IN THE NAME, OF LOVE, WHAT MORE, IN THE NAME OF LOVE
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: CrunchyLizard on September 09, 2006, 11:45:15 am
This is getting silly.

YOU are getting silly.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Ant on September 09, 2006, 02:58:51 pm
Your mother is silly
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: CrunchyLizard on September 09, 2006, 05:41:26 pm
Your mother is silly

You are your mother.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 09, 2006, 06:19:24 pm

You are your mother.

YOU are MY mother.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: CrunchyLizard on September 09, 2006, 07:45:04 pm
YOU are MY mother.

Yes, I know.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Cerapter on September 09, 2006, 07:50:23 pm
Your mother knows. I told her.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Goshawk on September 09, 2006, 07:51:38 pm
Fucking hell. Arghhh. I don't understand me.
Title: Re: Girls are bitches (apart from ming)
Post by: Outboundlight on September 09, 2006, 07:55:17 pm
Locked.