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Title: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on June 21, 2006, 10:50:46 am
so everyone knows book clubs, reading clubs, book circles, yada yada yada.

they always read bad books.  or have bad discussions.  because they never have anyone cool in them, like us.

so i propose a book circle/club for us.  its summer, most of us have some good free time on our hands (and those of us that dont might be able to spare the time), and we have a penchant for intellectual discussion (whe we arent completely off topic).

maybe we all read sci-fi books.  maybe we read lots of other things.  right now, its just an idea.

(i suggest Neuromancer as the first book, as a desire to have a discussion about said book was my reason for thinking this up in the first place, but i'm open to anything!)

what do y'all think?
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on June 21, 2006, 10:53:02 am
blah blah blah blah Neal Stephenson blah blah.


I just bought The Cobweb by Neal Stephenson and J. Frederick George. For the sake of (my) convenience, let's do that one. It claims to be a now-classic political thriller.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Lysander on June 21, 2006, 11:07:36 am
I'd love to do this but I'm gonna pass. I don't yet have the money to buy ANYTHING, and most the books you'd all suggest aren't the sorta thing I'd read anyway. (:
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on June 21, 2006, 11:17:33 am
(you know, there are these things called libraries... i think they have them outside my town.)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Lysander on June 21, 2006, 11:24:52 am
(You know, I'm not taking a 25 minute bus just to go get one book.)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on June 21, 2006, 11:27:51 am
(that was meant as a general alternative to buying the books.  not an attack on you.  i apologize.)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Smeagol on June 21, 2006, 01:01:57 pm
I would participate, but I am low on the monies front, which rules out buying books, and, last I checked, the library here is mostly run-down.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: CrunchyLizard on June 21, 2006, 03:11:36 pm
(You know, I'm not taking a 25 minute bus just to go get one book.)

Take two! (and get a third one free)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Jack Lupino on June 21, 2006, 03:12:19 pm
I just finished seventh sense :)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Viherminttu on June 21, 2006, 04:33:34 pm
im reading The Eagle and the Nightingales by Mercedes Lackey atm...
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Aurin on June 21, 2006, 05:57:19 pm
Ah, what's wrong with you guys? Stop whining, if you'd really love to do this, you wouldn't mind about the price of a bus ticket. If I'm correct, it's nothing like you had to do this.

Anyway, I read Neuromancer about half a year ago, of course I loved it. It's a classic. Even though you can sense the 80's fashion and esthetics through the story, but... Overall IMHO it's pretty timeless. Too bad I haven't got the time yet to read the rest of the Sprawl trilogy.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Bates on June 21, 2006, 05:58:31 pm
No money is an excuse! Books are... not expensive.

I've also just ordered Bret Easton Ellis Lunar Park.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: L'homme magique on June 21, 2006, 06:16:01 pm
Neuromancer, yay.

I'm reading Weaveworld still.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Drakonis on June 21, 2006, 06:16:58 pm
I will probably participate, although I had planned to read Brave New World (Between The Protomen and Huxley coming out, not to mention having heard very good things about it for some time and never having read it). I was also going to order 1984, since it was suggested along side it at Amazon.com and I'd heard wonderful things about that.

However, if the book sounds entertaining I'll put those on hold and read it. I need to start reading again. Hehe.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Trezker on June 21, 2006, 06:42:37 pm
I've had the same books collecting dust for months now.
I never read anymore.

Audio books on the other hand, if they're free...
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Outboundlight on June 21, 2006, 11:19:45 pm
This is a great idea!
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: SpeedD on June 21, 2006, 11:24:57 pm
Oh shit, not books. I come here to escape books!
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on June 21, 2006, 11:28:56 pm
This is a great idea!

book suggestions?  or do you not care, and are willing to do Neuromancer?
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Bates on June 21, 2006, 11:44:55 pm
I have no idea how a book club works (do we have to cook something?), but I would participate. The cheapest edition I can find on amazon is just 4,95 €.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on June 22, 2006, 12:03:47 am
A book club works like this:

everyone gets said book, and reads it by a certain date.  then, a discussion about the book ensues.  themes, meanings, connection to modern life, etc.  then you discuss everything that sucked about said book.  then you go OT for a bit.  then you get started on the next book.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Niccho on June 22, 2006, 12:04:22 am
best. idea. ever.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: duo666 on June 22, 2006, 12:15:43 am
William Gibson ROXX anyway...
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Outboundlight on June 22, 2006, 03:26:58 am
This is a great idea!

book suggestions?  or do you not care, and are willing to do Neuromancer?

I have no specific suggestions, I'm happy with neuromancer, though my copy currently resides with a friend,. I am also happy with brave New World, which someone mentioned, since it's one of my favorite book. But i am also open to suggestions. Though I don't have as much disposable income to spend on books these days (i used to buy a paperback a week when i was in school) so I cant promise to keep up if we pick something i dont own
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Jack Lupino on June 22, 2006, 04:01:13 am
And sometimes, when i feel a bit crazy, i decatagorise my fossils.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Drakonis on June 23, 2006, 06:02:35 pm
This is a great idea!

book suggestions?  or do you not care, and are willing to do Neuromancer?

I have no specific suggestions, I'm happy with neuromancer, though my copy currently resides with a friend,. I am also happy with brave New World, which someone mentioned, since it's one of my favorite book. But i am also open to suggestions. Though I don't have as much disposable income to spend on books these days (i used to buy a paperback a week when i was in school) so I cant promise to keep up if we pick something i dont own

I mentioned it since I've never read it and want to. I am perfectly happy with trying Neuromancer though, but I'd like to eventually nominate Brave New World since I plan on reading it regardless =). Whatever we start with I'll order though, I dont care. I just need to read SOMETHING. =)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Fallout on June 23, 2006, 09:12:53 pm
I dont read many books, but im still leaving my mark on this thread, because it keeps fucking saying "NEW POSTS" at me. Stupid thread.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Bates on June 25, 2006, 12:48:29 am
School destroyed reading for me. I had German and English advanced course and we had to read and overinterpret tons of classic literature. It took years before I was able to pick up a book just for fun.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: ~futilite~ on June 25, 2006, 06:42:05 pm
School destroyed reading for me. I had German and English advanced course and we had to read and overinterpret tons of classic literature. It took years before I was able to pick up a book just for fun.
That's my problem at school: because I always read books for fun, I am rubbish at doing interpretations or something and I refuse to find stupid things in some passages by interpretation (things which are really absurd and where you can't imagine that any author would have meant it by the passage you're interpreting)

To the "book-buying or library thing":
I always go to the library because I think many books are not worth buying them. I mean, you read them once and say: "oh, they are ok." and then you never read them again.
So I only buy books which I either already know  from the library as a good book, or which I can know as a good book (maybe because it is part of a good series), or encyclopaedias because you can always need them again.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Drain on July 05, 2006, 04:53:56 pm
Are we just going to let this thread die :(? I wanna join the bookclub if you start reading a book soon.
Right now im readin the third book in the Dune series which I recommend, but if you are going to read neuromancer then sure.
I havnt read it and could read it before I pick up book 4 in the series.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Cerapter on July 05, 2006, 05:33:15 pm
School destroyed reading for me. I had German and English advanced course and we had to read and overinterpret tons of classic literature. It took years before I was able to pick up a book just for fun.
Ditto. I haven't read books for years, and I've already grown stupid, but I can't make myself read anything. I haven't even read the Da Vinci Code. There are millions of books I'd appreciate reading, but it's gonna take me some more time to unwind from all the stress school put upon me.

Actually, now that I think of it, I started reading the first book in The Wheel of Time last year, but I haven't gotten past page 1 yet.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: WereVolvo on July 05, 2006, 05:38:32 pm
Woo! Count me in if we start doing this. I likes to read.
School destroyed reading for me. I had German and English advanced course and we had to read and overinterpret tons of classic literature. It took years before I was able to pick up a book just for fun.
That pisses me off as well, because we have just the same problem in the Norwegian school system as well. Force-feeding kids today tons of dry old books and making them analyze every damn plotline, character and scene is probably the most effective way of crippling their attitude towards books for years to come. When I'm a fully educated teacher, I'm going to try to avoid that as much as possible, instead focusing on the joy of reading a good book. Granted, there's a load of crap I'm going to have to inflict on them anyway, but I'll try to soften the blow for them.

/me wants to become a good teacher, but feels restricted by the government's educational plans
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: evilcandybag on July 05, 2006, 08:56:10 pm
Neuromancer is a fine choice of book. Get reading.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 05, 2006, 09:47:48 pm
I'm in. I've been thinking about reading Neuromance myself, so that choice is quite well with me.

Other books I could suggest would be Silmarillion and possibly Unfinished Tales (which delves deeper into the stories of Silmarillion) by Tolkien, and Paradise Lost by Milton.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: L'homme magique on July 05, 2006, 10:05:54 pm
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* talhoffer wants to become a good teacher, but feels restricted by the government's educational plans
/me feels the same
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Bates on July 05, 2006, 11:53:49 pm
That's mildly disturbing.

I'll order the book as soon as we have a go.

I also recommend American Psycho as I read it almost every year.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Fallout on July 06, 2006, 01:21:22 am
I recommend The Alphabet Of Manliness by Maddox.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: ~futilite~ on July 06, 2006, 12:06:48 pm
Are we just going to let this thread die :(? I wanna join the bookclub if you start reading a book soon.
If you will read a book I've heard of or I'd like to read because it sounds good, it would be a reason to go to the good old library again, I haven't been there for months I think. (I didn't have too much time to read.)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on July 06, 2006, 01:06:05 pm
aight, lets pwn this shite.  everyone who wants in on this round, pick up a copy of Willaim Gibson's Neuromancer, and get crackin.  its a relatively short book, so factoring in work and such... lets have it done by two weeks from today, 7/20.  If you dont think thats enough time, for comparison, i read it in 2 days, during which i also worked a lot.  if there are any objections, please voice!
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 06, 2006, 01:17:54 pm
I'm in.

I've got another suggestion for a later book: Watchmen. It's a graphical novel, and it's about superheroes, but it's deep and advanced enough to be on par with the books that have been suggested here so far.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Bates on July 06, 2006, 07:13:17 pm
aight, lets pwn this shite.  everyone who wants in on this round, pick up a copy of Willaim Gibson's Neuromancer, and get crackin.  its a relatively short book, so factoring in work and such... lets have it done by two weeks from today, 7/20.  If you dont think thats enough time, for comparison, i read it in 2 days, during which i also worked a lot.  if there are any objections, please voice!

I'm in.

I've got another suggestion for a later book: Watchmen. It's a graphical novel, and it's about superheroes, but it's deep and advanced enough to be on par with the books that have been suggested here so far.

seconded.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Trias on July 07, 2006, 12:15:35 am
how many pages does it have? ::)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 07, 2006, 12:29:22 am
About 6 hours as an audiobook.

Terry Pratchett's Nightwatch, which is, I believe, somewhere in the vicinity of 400 pages, counts in at almost 11 hours.

Using this, I'd expect Neuromancer to be just over 200 pages long.

I will, of course, not use the audiobook, but actually read the book.

As for Watchmen, that one clocks in at over 400 comic-book pages, and it's not a comic that's afraid to use words.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: L'homme magique on July 07, 2006, 12:46:48 am
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how many pages does it have?
Neuromancer is like the antithesis of Harry Potter; it's short but takes time to read.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Smeagol on July 07, 2006, 12:54:38 am
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how many pages does it have?
Neuromancer is like the antithesis of Harry Potter; it's short but takes time to read.

Because it's a pretty crappy book IMNSHO
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Cerapter on July 07, 2006, 01:07:01 am
Terry Pratchett's Nightwatch, which is, I believe, somewhere in the vicinity of 400 pages, counts in at almost 11 hours.

Wow. It'd take me six months to finish 400 pages.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: WereVolvo on July 07, 2006, 01:33:25 am
A copy of neuromancer has now been ordered. I expect to spend a couple of days or so reading and then re-reading it.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: L'homme magique on July 07, 2006, 04:38:40 am
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Because it's a pretty crappy book
Which one, Harry Potter or Neuromancer?
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on July 07, 2006, 05:14:47 am
Sister Salvation! says:
You hate Neuromancer?
Fiindil says:
Yeah, I hate Neuromancer.

answers your question.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: SpeedD on July 07, 2006, 06:18:36 am
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Because it's a pretty crappy book
Which one, Harry Potter or Neuromancer?

Harry. Potter. Must. Burn.

(You know it's important because it's big and red.)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 07, 2006, 06:52:18 am
Must he really?
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on July 07, 2006, 07:17:29 am
he really Must.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Outboundlight on July 07, 2006, 07:52:58 am
I'll reread neuromancer :D

Thing about Watchmen is Torp, it's really fuckin expensive (at least it is here)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: SpeedD on July 07, 2006, 03:19:46 pm
Must he really?

He, the actor portraying him, the author, the books, the fans, the merchendise, the culture, the people.

All.

Must.

Burn.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 07, 2006, 03:23:23 pm
Yes, Watchman is a bit expensive. The trade paperback is at almost 300kr, I believe, which equals about £20. But I already have it. And I have an electronic copy.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Smeagol on July 07, 2006, 03:40:14 pm
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Because it's a pretty crappy book
Which one, Harry Potter or Neuromancer?

In fairness, Harry Potter is pretty crappy, but fun.

Either way, I am of the firm belief that someone should assassinate JK Rowling before the 7th book is released.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 07, 2006, 03:56:05 pm
Nah.

What would be really funny, though, was if she did an Anne Rice and started to believe in the bullshit anti-Potter christians believe.

Of course, the effects of her doing this, beside millions of rabid fans never getting to know the end of the Potter books, could well be more negative than funny.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Bates on July 09, 2006, 12:33:44 am
Harry Potter needs more violence. Seriously.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Laser.T on July 09, 2006, 12:36:37 am
Harry Potter needs more violence. Seriously.

Dumbledore died!!

OMG Spoilerz

(Ca'nt wait for 7th book)
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Bates on July 09, 2006, 12:44:37 am
Hermione will go on a killing spree and rip torsos like toast soaks up butter.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Smeagol on July 09, 2006, 12:54:30 am
I could finish Harry Potter 7 in about 6 pages.

Harry finds Voldemort.

Voldemort kills Harry.

Voldemort establishes a reign of terror over the world.

END.

Seriously, if it ended like that, I would offer sexual favours to Rowling.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Laser.T on July 09, 2006, 12:56:14 am
I'm sure she gets enough from hubby.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 09, 2006, 02:48:24 am
But she's middle aged. I'm sure she'll be wanting some young stud love soon, like all successful middle aged women.

I'm not going to volunteer, even if she has kept her looks pretty well for her age.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Laser.T on July 09, 2006, 11:59:37 am
I really don't wanna get into a discussion about being JK Rowling's toyboy, so I'm leaving this thread. Forever. Goodbye!
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 09, 2006, 01:18:27 pm
You started....er, no, actually, Fiindil did. I just told a fact of life.

Anyway, I've gotten Neuromancer now, and will use the next week and its workdays to read it. Yeah, I can read at work.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Drain on July 10, 2006, 09:41:42 am
I dont think ill be able to get and read Neuromancer in time :/ but ill make it my next book so ill join the discussion when im done.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Outboundlight on July 10, 2006, 04:59:08 pm
looks like I might miss out on this one guys - as I'll be travellign around europe when the discussions kick in
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: not12x on July 16, 2006, 01:09:07 pm
just a reminder-
4 days left until teh discussion begins!
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Armakuni on July 16, 2006, 01:44:27 pm
(this has nothing to do with Neuromancer, but it has something to do with this thread :D semi OT?)
There are loads of free E-books that you can DL and read on the comp, its really not the same and I find it "harder" to read cause of the screen :x but anyways, its free...
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Jack Lupino on July 16, 2006, 06:21:18 pm
I could finish Harry Potter 7 in about 6 pages.

Harry finds Voldemort.

Voldemort kills Harry.

Voldemort establishes a reign of terror over the world.

END.

Seriously, if it ended like that, I would offer sexual favours to Rowling.

Looks like someone's going to get lucky. And its not you.
Title: Re: The Forum Book Club
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 16, 2006, 07:26:31 pm
just a reminder-
4 days left until teh discussion begins!

Ah, great. And I've almost not read anything yet.

Been so busy doing other stuff.