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Title: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 09, 2006, 05:36:27 am
There's a crapload of new CD's comin' out (or already out) and I need money. Right now I can afford the new Tool, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and AFI. But there's oh so many more...

So, I'll gladly accept donations!  ;D
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 05:59:21 am
There's a crapload of new CD's comin' out (or already out) and I need money. Right now I can afford the new Tool, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and AFI. But there's oh so many more...

So, I'll gladly accept donations!  ;D

GTFO MY INTERNETS!

Unless I can have some money, too.

>_>
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 09, 2006, 07:13:32 am
Tool

Eugh.

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Red Hot Chili Peppers

Whoa, they're not dead?

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AFI

*sad head-shaking*
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Jack Lupino on May 09, 2006, 07:16:26 am
Tool

Eugh.

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Red Hot Chili Peppers

Whoa, they're not dead?

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AFI

*sad head-shaking*

..

Unearth ?
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 08:22:30 am
Tool

Eugh.

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Red Hot Chili Peppers

Whoa, they're not dead?

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AFI

*sad head-shaking*

..

Unearth ?


lmao

Unearth sucks.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Spunky on May 09, 2006, 11:02:22 am
Gief glod plix
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Valentine Revolution on May 09, 2006, 11:03:46 am
Any donations to Spider Chii's Redeemer Fund would also be most welcome ;)
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 01:11:38 pm
Any donations to Spider Chii's Redeemer Fund would also be most welcome ;)

Do you want a copy of REDEEMER?

If you can wait three weeks, I would be more than happy to buy one for you, complete stranger.

Nobody should be without Machinae.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Spunky on May 09, 2006, 01:17:09 pm
Gief glod for sex plix.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 01:24:32 pm
Gief glod for sex plix.

How I mine for fish?
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: MDX on May 09, 2006, 01:43:19 pm
Tool are a highly talented band.. HIGHLY. do not diss.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 01:54:34 pm
Tool are a highly talented band.. HIGHLY. do not diss.

Tool has two good members. :T

Danny Carey is a drumming genius.  His use of Fibonacci (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number) sequences in congruence to his drumming is really out of this world.  I respect him greatly as a drummer.

Justin Chancellor is a wicked bassist and the fact that his inclusion in the band is more oustanding than the guitar itself is something you don't hear too much in any sort of band, let alone a progressive style band where the synthesizer is supposed to be the key instrument.

Maynard James Keenan is a boring vocalist.  All he brings to the table as far as musical talent is concerned (lyrical writing aside) is mediocre vocals.  I was honestly never too fond of A Perfect Circle, either.

Adam Jones...Why the Hell is this guy in the band at all?  He's worthless.  He sucks at guitar and his inclusion in the band is minimal, since on pretty much every Tool album I've heard (Lateralus in particular), the guitar was downplayed to the point of insignificance.  Forgettable guitar riffs do not bode well with me.

As songwriters, they're great.  Tool brings a lot of great stuff to music, especially with Lateralus (what, with the alternate track sequence and the excellent song construction), but as individual musicians, only Danny Carey really stands out from the band.

There are better progressive bands out there. :T

If anyone so much as says "Dream Theater" in reference to this, I will shun them, because Dream Theater are nothing but pompous, overblown, middle-aged men who have nothing better to do than wank on their instruments than get together and write a good fucking album.  I haven't heard any superbly good Dream Theater music since Metropolis, Part II: Scenes From A Memory.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Torp v2.0 on May 09, 2006, 03:31:34 pm
No, but Metropolis Part II was superb.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: MDX on May 09, 2006, 05:02:54 pm
tools singer is quite good, just depends on your preference. i think tool are less progressively inclined than other bands youre comparing them to. for the more alternate mainstream heavy scene, they do a good job, and perfect circle have some nice pieces, though ill admit i havent listened to them as much.

the drummer from tool is my main drive, plus the vocalist, the bassist too.. guitars ill admit youre right therre about forgettable riffs. the technique you talk about that the tool drummer uses, thats interesting.. im gonna have to read into that, would definetly like to try that technique
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: McLame on May 09, 2006, 05:09:01 pm

OMG, you have spoken the truth! You have opened my eyes! *bows down* If it were not for your advanced musical taste and opinion on these bands I would have been forever stuck in a world of mediocre progressive metal!!!!111 *kneels down* What do you ask of me, master?


..actually, sod it.
np:Dream Theater - Endless Sacrifice
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: SomethingApt on May 09, 2006, 05:17:15 pm
Wings 1 & 2 on the new Tool album are fucking GODLIKE! never really "got" them before. but 10,000 days just oozes awesomeness.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Jack Lupino on May 09, 2006, 05:42:22 pm
Tool

Eugh.

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Red Hot Chili Peppers

Whoa, they're not dead?

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AFI

*sad head-shaking*

..

Unearth ?


lmao

Unearth sucks.
lmao indeed.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Lysander on May 09, 2006, 05:42:44 pm
If you want money, i got 1p in my paypal account!
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Bates on May 09, 2006, 06:03:31 pm
I have 8 € something on paypal. Woo.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 09:23:30 pm
tools singer is quite good, just depends on your preference. i think tool are less progressively inclined than other bands youre comparing them to. for the more alternate mainstream heavy scene, they do a good job, and perfect circle have some nice pieces, though ill admit i havent listened to them as much.

the drummer from tool is my main drive, plus the vocalist, the bassist too.. guitars ill admit youre right therre about forgettable riffs. the technique you talk about that the tool drummer uses, thats interesting.. im gonna have to read into that, would definetly like to try that technique

The use of the Fibbonaci sequence was also used in conjunction with the number of syllables that they had Keenan sing on a couple of songs on the album, namely "Parabola" (I believe).  Danny Carey's ideas rule.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: L'homme magique on May 09, 2006, 09:36:19 pm
If you think that's cool, listen to Béla Fleck.

Math abounds.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 09:43:28 pm
If you think that's cool, listen to Béla Fleck.

Math abounds.

Wikipedia makes no references to any sort of mathematical factor.

Just because they arrange difficult pieces doesn't mean they're mathematical. :T  Plus, they have Victor Fucking Wooten.  He's the greatest bassist alive.  Of course it'll be good.

Most "mathematically influenced" bands are ridiculously stupid.  For example, Meshuggah and The Dillinger Escape Plan.  Proclaimed "mathcore" bands that produce a terrible cacophony of noise.

No, but Metropolis Part II was superb.

No, what?  About Dream Theater being pretentious and overblown?  Have you even listened to Octavarium?  Fucking awful album.

OMG, you have spoken the truth! You have opened my eyes! *bows down* If it were not for your advanced musical taste and opinion on these bands I would have been forever stuck in a world of mediocre progressive metal!!!!111 *kneels down* What do you ask of me, master?


..actually, sod it.
np:Dream Theater - Endless Sacrifice

lawl, sarcasm.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: L'homme magique on May 09, 2006, 09:56:22 pm
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Wikipedia makes no references to any sort of mathematical factor.
What does Wikipedia know? Anyway, Victor Fucking Wooten likes to be all mathy and crap.

STUCK INSIDE THIS


OCTAVARIUM
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 09:58:32 pm
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Wikipedia makes no references to any sort of mathematical factor.
What does Wikipedia know? Anyway, Victor Fucking Wooten likes to be all mathy and crap.

STUCK INSIDE THIS


OCTAVARIUM

Seriously.

Octavarium is Dream Theater's worst album.

It didn't even make my Top 20 of 2005 albums.  That's how bad it was.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: MDX on May 09, 2006, 10:41:06 pm
album listing of that album?

id look but i cbf :D
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 10:53:03 pm
album listing of that album?

id look but i cbf :D

Huh?  Album listing?
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: L'homme magique on May 09, 2006, 10:54:10 pm
anyway I dont like dream tehater
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: MDX on May 09, 2006, 10:56:20 pm
album listing of that album?

id look but i cbf :D

Huh?  Album listing?

tracks on the album. track listing for some.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 11:01:25 pm
album listing of that album?

id look but i cbf :D

Huh?  Album listing?

tracks on the album. track listing for some.

Well, I'm not too familiar. I just know that it was used.

Here's another inside look at Lateralus (http://www.peteofthestreet.net/sayz/C1151806467/E1494764863/).

And if that's too wordy, then here (http://members.tripod.com/hunk_o_manwich0/).

The first link focuses on the re-ordering of the tracks.  The second is the use of Fibonacci.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Outboundlight on May 09, 2006, 11:17:14 pm
Whats with all the Unearth hatred?

Also, the new AFI song sounds emo :(
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Jack Lupino on May 10, 2006, 02:00:22 am
Whats with all the Unearth hatred?

Also, the new AFI song sounds emo :(
I LOVE UNEARTH !

They are the best metal band atm imo.

the new afi song is utter crap.

i mean, if you hear this, and then, lets say, the boy who destroyed the world, this is sooo shitty o.0
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 10, 2006, 03:38:27 am
the new afi song is utter crap.

i mean, if you hear this, and then, lets say, the boy who destroyed the world, this is sooo shitty o.0


Totalimmortal ftw.

And wasn't sing the sorrow just as emo crap as the new stuff? i thought everyone agreed they sold out back then. Maybe they just sold out more.

Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 10, 2006, 04:09:29 am
Which new AFI song? I just heard "Miss Murder" and that was enough to sell me. The only emo band I actually like. Sing the Sorrow wasn't too great, but their older stuff is still awesome. The fact that their first album cover was a take on Reservoir Dogs redeems them for selling out now.

Dream Theater's music is just drawn out. The constant striving of most "progressive" bands (Dream Theater) to maintain a perfect EVERYTHING in their music just gets tired after a while. Just because you graduated from Berklee College of Music doesn't mean you're a genius.

Tool's drummer is awesome, but the new CD actually "grooves" a lot more than Lateralus. No more forgettable guitar riffs; they actually sound like they were pretty heavily influenced by some older stuff. As my guitar teacher put it, "If the guy from 'A Beautiful Mind' was the guitarist for Audioslave." Besides, I've always considered them more experimental/alternative than progressive. It's all perspective, methinks.

And yes, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are still alive, and they rule me. They got da phunk. And John Frusciante is one hell of a musician.

I ordered Redeemer a week ago last Saturday, so it should be here soon. Then my amazingly musical summer shall begin.

I'm actually now debating between the AFI album and buying Advent Children. Does the movie warrant a buy, or will I watch it once and never use it again?



Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 11, 2006, 01:30:21 am
Keep the musical convo going!

Besides, I still need a review of Advent Children from someone.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 11, 2006, 02:55:05 am
Which new AFI song? I just heard "Miss Murder" and that was enough to sell me. The only emo band I actually like. Sing the Sorrow wasn't too great, but their older stuff is still awesome. The fact that their first album cover was a take on Reservoir Dogs redeems them for selling out now.

Dream Theater's music is just drawn out. The constant striving of most "progressive" bands (Dream Theater) to maintain a perfect EVERYTHING in their music just gets tired after a while. Just because you graduated from Berklee College of Music doesn't mean you're a genius.


At the risk of sounding like Generic Music Ego 3, AFI's earlier stuff was definitely better. The album you mentioned, "Answer that and stay fashionable," was pretty sexy punk, and then up through black sails in the sunset was pretty sexy [whatever you want to call AFI]. Then they became all......... myspace.

And as has been said before, Dream Theater is more or less completely overrated, but since people tend to agree, maybe they're the only ones overrating themselves. They do have some sexy stuff but if i only enjoy <50% of an album, that's failure via inconsistency for me.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 11, 2006, 03:10:55 am
Lol, \"sexy punk.\" I\'m hoping that they\'ll change back, eventually...

And yes, when you have to forward through most of the songs just to find one you like, then a band has failed to bring happiness to a listener.

I\'m listening to Lateralus in the alternate track order with the 5-second crossfading on, so there\'s no silence in between, and so far it\'s teh sex.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Jack Lupino on May 11, 2006, 03:16:40 am
Come on , Girls not grey is still much better than the WHOLE new album together.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 11, 2006, 03:17:23 am
I haven\'t heard the whole new album, so I\'d have no idea. But that was a good song.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 11, 2006, 04:06:26 am
Whats with all the Unearth hatred?

Also, the new AFI song sounds emo :(
I LOVE UNEARTH !

They are the best metal band atm imo.

the new afi song is utter crap.

i mean, if you hear this, and then, lets say, the boy who destroyed the world, this is sooo shitty o.0


lmao

Unearth isn't a metal band.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: not12x on May 11, 2006, 07:27:52 am
See, here's where it gets really difficult to decide stuff.  Personally, i put about seventeen times the emphasis on vox over anything else.  either the vox have to be good, or the lyrics have to be good, or catchy.

A lot of the bands i love are either mediocre musicians or shitty musicians.  to name a few: Leftover Crack is absolutely disgusting, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead is mediocre, Son Of Sam is bearable, and KMFDM is... well, KMFDM.  i have the biggest respect for musicians who can impress me, and stick a song in my head.  there are times where shitty drums are called for, and there are times where epic masterpieces are called for.  a song that is very basic is no worse off than a song taht is technically perfect.

and i know none of you have said anything contrary to this, i just feel a need to make this point.  but, while we're discussing beautiful tunes, i'll mention my favorite artist form each genre:
KMFDM
Radiohead
Puff Dragon
The Killers
The Soviettes
Machinae (given)
Pretty Girls Make Graves

on that list, i know of only one AMAZING, drop dead, sure shot high calibre musician, and that is Puff Dragon.  he/she is the undisputed master of Downtempo Psytrance, in my book.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Jack Lupino on May 11, 2006, 04:58:43 pm
Whats with all the Unearth hatred?

Also, the new AFI song sounds emo :(
I LOVE UNEARTH !

They are the best metal band atm imo.

the new afi song is utter crap.

i mean, if you hear this, and then, lets say, the boy who destroyed the world, this is sooo shitty o.0


lmao

Unearth isn't a metal band.
No i bet its some prog-go-fuck-yourself Power-core-undefined-subcatagorycore.. post.

AMIRITE

Now zip it punksucker
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 11, 2006, 05:42:36 pm
This game's winner is...
Captain Radiczor.


(show me your moves!)
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 11, 2006, 07:00:22 pm
This game's winner is...
Captain Radiczor.


(show me your moves!)

Oh, God, no, please, don't.

ADVENT CHILDREN REVIEW FUCKER! I don't wanna blow $20.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 11, 2006, 07:27:51 pm
No i bet its some prog-go-fuck-yourself Power-core-undefined-subcatagorycore.. post.

AMIRITE

Now zip it punksucker

lmao

Melodic Metalcore.

So says Metal Archives (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5269)

You lose!
Good day, sir!

There used to be a Brutal Death Metal band under the same name from New Mexico, but they've been split up for some time.
=( They were much better.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: L'homme magique on May 12, 2006, 12:38:11 am
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Radiohead
ew lol
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Jack Lupino on May 12, 2006, 01:06:25 am
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Melodic Metalcore.

So that's not metal, right ?
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: not12x on May 12, 2006, 04:37:59 am
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미소 와 키스

Ew lol.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: L'homme magique on May 12, 2006, 04:41:54 am
:(
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: not12x on May 12, 2006, 05:26:20 am
<3

(btw, that earlier comment was sarcasm.  gots me no beef with ya)
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: L'homme magique on May 12, 2006, 05:36:10 am
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(btw, that earlier comment was sarcasm.  gots me no beef with ya)
Good. I was worried you went and looked up my handle in a dictionary.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Cloud on May 12, 2006, 05:48:27 am
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Melodic Metalcore.

So that's not metal, right ?


Nope.  Too much punk influence, considering that actual Hardcore music is a derivation of punk music, usually just heavily distorting punk-style riffs and using harsher vocals.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: not12x on May 12, 2006, 06:06:20 am
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Melodic Metalcore.

So that's not metal, right ?


Nope.  Too much punk influence, considering that actual Hardcore music is a derivation of punk music, usually just heavily distorting punk-style riffs and using harsher vocals.

case and point: The Beltones.

though they arent melodic metalcore.  just hardcore.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 12, 2006, 06:23:13 pm
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Melodic Metalcore.

So that's not metal, right ?


Nope.  Too much punk influence, considering that actual Hardcore music is a derivation of punk music, usually just heavily distorting punk-style riffs and using harsher vocals.

Indeed. I'm just glad someone finally knows what real hardcore is. Most kids I talk to think pretty much anything loud is hardcore, nowadays...

I don't think I've ever heard metalcore before. Sounds... interesting.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 12, 2006, 10:29:12 pm
real hardcore

Careful... inching toward pedantic musical elitism territory.

For my part, I call Unearth "salsa" and just get on with my life.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 12, 2006, 10:55:50 pm
Not elitism, just general knowledge of musical genres. Hardcore was originally punk rock with harsher vocals, etc., as Cloud said. But MTV kids nowadays are calling music like "Trapt" hardcore. Just like how they call "Linkin Park" metal and "Avenged Sevenfold" metal, and call "The Starting Line" and "Relient K" punk rock. None of it is what they say it is; they're diluting the genres with music that doesn't belong there.

Listen to what you want, but don't classify it as something it's not. I'm not trying to degrade the music, just organize it correctly, and make sure other people do too.

Like when you have visitors over your house... when they take something out, you want them to put it back where it was originally, correct (Of course, assuming you aren't a pig and have at least some level of organization  :P )? I want people to make sure they keep things in order, so they themselves don't start becoming high and mighty and saying "Oh, look at me, I listen to metal!"

That's where the musical elitism comes from on both sides: one side claims they're something they aren't, and the other "original" side gets pissed and feels they have to further divide themselves from the "posers."

But, then again, I suppose if some genre barriers aren't broken, then music will never progress, right?
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 12, 2006, 11:16:11 pm
just organize it correctly, and make sure other people do too.

But... why? it's just music.

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I want people to make sure they keep things in order, so they themselves don't start becoming high and mighty and saying "Oh, look at me, I listen to metal!"

don't worry about other people. If they want to think they're better than others because of their taste in music, then they're already as pathetic as they're gonna be and arguing with them only makes them angry.

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But, then again, I suppose if some genre barriers aren't broken, then music will never progress, right?

word.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 12, 2006, 11:20:36 pm
But... why? it's just music.

Because I'm a human, and it's natural human instinct to search for patterns and organization in the world. When it's not organized, everything gets effed up.

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don't worry about other people. If they want to think they're better than others because of their taste in music, then they're already as pathetic as they're gonna be and arguing with them only makes them angry.

I worry about other people because other people are the ones determining what our next jump in music will be.

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word.

Whurd.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: Smeagol on May 13, 2006, 12:32:01 am
Because I'm a human, and it's natural human instinct to search for patterns and organization in the world. When it's not organized, everything gets effed up.


Harvey, meet my good friend, Chaos. He wishes to tell you that you are wrong, and disorder is a good thing.
Title: Re: Give me money.
Post by: harvey danger on May 13, 2006, 12:46:11 am
Chaos + Me = Something dying.