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Title: V for Vendetta
Post by: harvey danger on March 17, 2006, 05:28:36 pm
... = totally frickin awesome. I saw a sneak preview of it last night in an IMAX theatre (6 story tall screen) and it was amazing. I'm sure it would have more effect for those of you who actually lived under the Thatcher administration, but I was still able to enjoy it immensely.  :D

And don't worry, it's nothing like the Matrix.  ::)
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on March 17, 2006, 05:52:33 pm
Have you read the comic?

I don't trust any review not made by someone who have read the comic.

That being said, I will watch that movie in the cinema.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Laser.T on March 17, 2006, 06:01:00 pm
Well, me, Spunky and friends are going to see it tomorrow. We'll let you know.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on March 17, 2006, 09:15:27 pm
... = totally frickin awesome. I saw a sneak preview of it last night in an IMAX theatre (6 story tall screen) and it was amazing. I'm sure it would have more effect for those of you who actually lived under the Thatcher administration, but I was still able to enjoy it immensely.  :D

And don't worry, it's nothing like the Matrix.  ::)
FUCK YEAH !!!

I love that movie, can't wait till it comes out !!!

It has this ambience around it, this feeling... like half life 2, or the matrix..

I wouldnt be supised if the whachowski brothers (or whatever they're called ) wrote hl2.

Hmm..  awesome.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on March 17, 2006, 09:24:34 pm
The Wachowskis didn't write V. V is based on Alan Moores excellent comic, and I really do they kept to it.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Frigger on March 17, 2006, 10:10:52 pm
supposed to be good, just read an excellent review which i kinda sorta trust^^. probably a "must see" .... well, first watch, then talk...

Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on March 18, 2006, 02:15:44 am
The Wachowskis didn't write V. V is based on Alan Moores excellent comic, and I really do they kept to it.
I know they didn't, but they did do the movie right ?
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: dgt83 on March 18, 2006, 02:17:31 am
i dont fancy it... ive seen the end tho 4 times... thats quite good...
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Caine on March 18, 2006, 05:40:48 am
The totally cynical reviewist for the alternative paper gave it a really good review. I'd better see it.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Zombie With Style on March 18, 2006, 08:04:31 am
I can't wait to see it! I just pray NP doesn't act like she did in SW3
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Smeagol on March 18, 2006, 01:56:21 pm
I can't wait to see it! I just pray NP doesn't act like she did in SW3

A babbling foetus who acted best when she was dead? Not much to live up to.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on March 19, 2006, 12:51:36 am
Okay okay, here's the deal.

The V for Vendetta film is fucking awesome. It's not so much a straight adaptation of Moore and Loyd's awesome work, but a modern retelling that really heightens the emotional impact of what was already quite an intense story.

The V you see on screen is not the same V from the comic, but once you accept that and sit back and enjoy the show, it grabs you by the balls and doesn't let go. I got very emotional while watching it, possibly the most emotional I've ever been while watching a film.

Although my overall impression was very positive, I was disapointed about one or two things. One: V is never specifically referred to as an Anarchist and all his awesome speeches about Anarchy have been remoived. Two: The song "The Vicious Caberet" was not in it, as far as I could tell.


Oh, and if anyone is worried; Natalie Portman really is rather good in it. (is is Hugo Weaving)
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: L'homme magique on March 19, 2006, 12:54:09 am
After reading The Man from St. Petersburg, The Man Who Was Thursday, and V for Vendetta all in a row, anarchy has been added to my list of things that are inherently funny.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on March 19, 2006, 01:09:11 am
Ahh.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on March 19, 2006, 04:03:10 am
After reading The Man from St. Petersburg, The Man Who Was Thursday, and V for Vendetta all in a row, anarchy has been added to my list of things that are inherently funny.

Anarchy. It's what's for Dinner.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: L'homme magique on March 19, 2006, 04:08:33 am
"Then dress up as ANARCHISTS!!"
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on March 19, 2006, 04:10:29 am
I dress up as an anarchist everyday.

Except Fridays. Fridays are business/Casual.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: SpeedD on March 19, 2006, 04:43:06 am
I dress up as an anarchist everyday.

Except Fridays. Fridays are business/Casual.

Renegade Business?!
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on March 19, 2006, 05:12:58 am
yup, it's a serious business, renegade anarchist folk heroism.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Caine on March 19, 2006, 07:26:39 am
I think it's time for some vigilante-style justice. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Laser.T on March 19, 2006, 10:58:17 am
V for Vendetta was fricking awesome!

I've never known anything of it before so I went in not knowing a clue of what it was to be. From this perspective it was fricking awesome. Really well done and really effective and rather radical in parts - stuff I would never expect from a film whacked in the action genre. I suck at assessing things so I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on March 19, 2006, 07:47:22 pm
Everyone who liked the film and hasn't read the comic, go buy the book.

Seriously.

It's worth a read even if you've seen the movie, it'll kind of fill in some of the background and has some nifty sub-plots too.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Spunky on March 20, 2006, 12:09:15 pm
Saw this with Akakori at the weekend, absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on March 20, 2006, 03:40:06 pm
Damn. i wanna see it too.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on April 07, 2006, 10:39:49 pm
Ressurection...

I saw V last tuesday. Very good. A must see for all of you. Now, there were a few things I missed (like the monologue with Lady Justice, when he calls her a slut and a harlot with a loving for uniformed men, and also V's almost-last words in the comic, "give me a viking funeral"), but nothing that spoiled the film.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: CrunchyLizard on April 07, 2006, 10:42:55 pm
I think I'm going to see it with one of my friends sometime next week. That depends on if he can get some tickets or not.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 07, 2006, 11:15:21 pm
Ressurection...

I saw V last tuesday. Very good. A must see for all of you. Now, there were a few things I missed (like the monologue with Lady Justice, when he calls her a slut and a harlot with a loving for uniformed men, and also V's almost-last words in the comic, "give me a viking funeral"), but nothing that spoiled the film.

Yeah I think some of the great lines from the comic got left out :(

All the Anarchy related rhetoric for example, I can see why they left it out for the film version but there was some really awesome lines that I would have loved to hear Hugo Weaving say
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Viktor on April 07, 2006, 11:29:07 pm
Hey

First: everyone, please read the original.

I can't stress this enough, but I can try, so again, read the original. Seriously.

As for the movie, I agree with VisionThing and a lot of the other stuff that has been said here. I don't think this board has spoiler tags (or does it?), so SPOILER WARNING:
In addition to what has been said here, I didn't like the way they made V into a super-mutant. I felt that one of the most important messages in the original work was that change comes from ordinary people. Sure, the original V had heightened reflexes, too, but it only took one round to kill him. Which is another change I didn't like: in the original, many try to kill V but only the "enlightened" Finch can. The moment of his enlightenment, one of the crucial moments in the story, was basically omitted from the film. He just says he went to Larkhill and all of a sudden he had this feeling. Sure, that's how it happens in the book, but I suppose MPAA cencorship or fear of it led the producers to leave out the deliverer of this divine moment of truth ;)

Anyway, seeing the movie is better than not knowing the story at all. Still, I'm gonna have to do this one more time: read the original.

...and I trust I'll see all of you on the street with me when the revolution comes? ;)
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 07, 2006, 11:37:58 pm
Yeah do read the original. There's a new print out and everything, so no excuse.

+++ MORE FUCKING SPOILERS +++

I see what Viktor is saying about the super mutant thing. I'd rather they'd have focused on the way he's portrayed as an insne genius in the comic by showing how he escaped from Larkhilll.

The change of death was disapointing, but at the same time the action sequence that replaced the understated original killing was stylish and entertaining.

Also, I wanted to see Ficnh go to Larkhill and get fucked up on LSD. That would have been awesome.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on April 08, 2006, 12:30:36 am
SPOILERS, OF COURSE

Yeah, the Larkhill scenes were also truly missed. After I watched the few scenes they shot about Larkhill, I sat thinking "I really do hope the Directors cut have the rest of the Larkhill parts".

The death scene wasn't that disappointing as much as it was unexpected. I was expecting Finch to kill him, and then they suddenly had that scene instead. Of course, as they dropped the plotting and intrigues between the Party members, they had to have another way of executing Susan. And it worked pretty well. The superhumanity of V in the scene was irritating, though, I agree.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 08, 2006, 01:42:13 am
well he is wearing body armour of some kind and he does die, so he's not exactly superman.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Lexx on April 08, 2006, 02:05:17 am
He does? *Thanks*.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on April 08, 2006, 02:21:07 am
Yes, I know. But it's still a rather long stretch, I feel.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 08, 2006, 02:32:41 am
god damnit all this talking about V has made me want to go see it again, maybe i'll be sober this time!

In the mean time, I guess I'll just read the comic when i go to bed.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on April 08, 2006, 04:25:18 am
I have not and do not intend to read the original. But as a movie, one thing i can say is that it would have been a lot better if it weren't an American-made movie. Cool stuff, to be sure, but less cool when it's shoved into your face multiple times.

SPOILERS

HEY LOOK THE GIRL IN THE RAIN IS KINDA LIKE THE GUY IN THE FIRE BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH

HEY THE BIG BAD GUY IS YELLING PROPAGANDA IN FRONT OF SOLDIERS WITH RED, BLACK, AND WHITE IMAGEREY BEHIND HIM KINDA LIKE THAT ONE GUY HITLER REMEMBER REMEMBER?


and the knife fight near the end felt like an afterthought, where the director was like "aw crap, the wachowski brothers have their name attached to this and so i'd better put in some sort of 'original' cinematography. I guess the knives could leave trails in the air."

all in all, of course it was worth seeing, but only for lots of isolated incidents of interest, not the movie as a whole.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Trias on April 08, 2006, 11:03:28 am
ah finally someone with a (more) similiar opinion like mine. I for my part didn't like the movie for the same reason, among others. Everything straight into your face, no great effects, no great music,etc.


MAJOR SPOILER







I had one fun moment though. When V was dying, I was saying loudly something along the lines of "Luke... help me take this mask off. " etc.  haha  :P
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on April 08, 2006, 01:32:16 pm

HEY LOOK THE GIRL IN THE RAIN IS KINDA LIKE THE GUY IN THE FIRE BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH

Yeah, that was really stupid. I saw the parallels before they switched over to guy in fire, and that just felt stupid. Or, rather, it felt like it was made so that stupid people could understand it. But then again, sometimes one must be nice to the stupid people.

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HEY THE BIG BAD GUY IS YELLING PROPAGANDA IN FRONT OF SOLDIERS WITH RED, BLACK, AND WHITE IMAGEREY BEHIND HIM KINDA LIKE THAT ONE GUY HITLER REMEMBER REMEMBER?

No, I don't remember this Hitler person you're talking about. I have to agree, the choice of colours reminded of the nazis, but this happens in a future Britain, where Hitler has existed, and I'm quite sure Sutler was inspired by him (that is, if that had been the real world, Sutler would have read Mein Kampf and looked up to Hitler), so him choosing a red-and-black imagery (with a styled cross, btw, just like the nazi flag) is far from unbeliavable.

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and the knife fight near the end felt like an afterthought, where the director was like "aw crap, the wachowski brothers have their name attached to this and so i'd better put in some sort of 'original' cinematography. I guess the knives could leave trails in the air."

all in all, of course it was worth seeing, but only for lots of isolated incidents of interest, not the movie as a whole.

Yeah, the knives-leave-trail-in-the-air thing (also supposedly known as Knife Time) was rather irritating. I would have much prefered that scene in a speeded up style. That is, without any slow motion stuff. Just slash, slash, throw, throw, dead guards, choke Creedy.

So, conclusion: The director should have remembered that it wasn't an action movie, so action movie tricks should be left out. Also, he should have had more faith in the intellect of his audience.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: chompy on April 08, 2006, 05:38:46 pm
I went and watched this movie the other day, not knowing what it was all about nor having read this thread. It was a very well made movie although as I had been a bit sleepy when I saw it I really need to watch it again to pass judgment.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Armakuni on April 08, 2006, 06:21:06 pm
its a great movie, and its shows a possible future too

time to wake up? ;)
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Viktor on April 08, 2006, 09:48:53 pm
I think I need a second viewing of the movie, and a re-reading of the book as well :)

Of course, there are plenty of other more and less important details that were left out from the movie, but that's understandable - and, indeed, unavoidable. However, I can't help but wonder if the movie is enough to convey the message that the original so brilliantly did? As I'd read the book before seeing the movie, I really can't say, but somehow, I doubt it. When I try to think of the movie separately from the comic, it seems almost without a point, and certainly without adequate reasoning to back that point. As a screaming example, take the ending (spoilers to follow).

Ok, V is a destroyer, we can all see that. He even says so himself in the original. But Evey's role as V's successor was barely touched on in the movie, while it was one of the most important things in the book. I felt like the movie ended with Britain plunged into desperate chaos, whereas the book left Britain in a hopeful chaos. The difference between the two is that the first is merely chaos, but the second is the cleansing fire on the road to true freedom and equality. I like to think that the murder and mayhem following the destruction of the Body in the original was to the nation as a whole an experience not unlike V's time at Larkhill, or Evey's incarceration. I don't know if the people behind the movie expect us to believe that once the Leader is dead, people would just spontaneously see the inherent evil in a hierarchial power structure, and form a better society all on their own, but frankly, I think that's quite inconceivable. After all, that hasn't happened in previous revolutions. The movie ends with the people overthrowing the government, yes, but that's not half the story. V's goal was an ideal society, and getting rid of the current regime is only the first step of the way. The movie has a sense of closure - one almost expects "The End" to be displayed before the credits. The book feels more like the prelude it is - V was only laying the foundation for the work ahead, and this point seems to be missing from the movie.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 09, 2006, 03:10:31 pm
+++PROBABLY SOME MORE FUCKING SPOILERS (WHY ARE YOU READING THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT ANYWAY)+++

Okay. I know I quite liked the V movie, but I do agree that it was not particularily well directed, and the sequences already highlighted in this thread are the worst offences in the film - that I recall.

In McTiegue's (sp?) defence, I thought the Valerie sequence was actually directed with a slight bit of skill and subtlety.If he had of fucked that bit up I would have had to cut off his toes. Of course it helps that Moore wrote it as such a beautiful set piece, and the Wachowski brothers practically left it alone in their adaptation.

As for the ending, well yes - I thought it was dubious. It changed the final message of the book to a much more hollywood friendly message.

Book:Sutler is dead, the party is fucked and it's going to be a long hard road to justice and equality, but eVey will be there to try and help the people find their way.

Movie: V isn't dead!! He lives on in the hearts and minds of everyone!! (ker-cheeeese)
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on April 09, 2006, 05:18:32 pm
Just like to point out, it's Susan, not Sutler. In the book, that is.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 09, 2006, 06:22:06 pm
my bad  :-[

I also missed the subplot of him being in love with Fate... though John Hurt is way too much of a bad ass to be in love with a silly machine.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Torp v2.0 on April 09, 2006, 06:38:22 pm
Actually, they didn't have Fate at all. In the book, Prothero is "the Voice of Fate", and therefore very important to the power structure.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 09, 2006, 06:50:58 pm
I don't think the concept of 'Fate' would have worked too well in the film, though.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Viktor on April 10, 2006, 03:03:49 am
I don't think the concept of 'Fate' would have worked too well in the film, though.

I agree, but it would have helped explain some of the things that now seem a bit far fetched, like how V was able to get Guy Fawkes masks delivered to everyone (I personally liked the Valentine's Day poems a lot more).

By the way, does anyone know where I could find the version of Ethan Stroller's BKAB (the song playing during the credits) used in the film? He has the original available for download on his site, but that's not the one used in the film, and it's not on the soundtrack, either :(
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 10, 2006, 09:22:39 pm
I wish :( I've been looking for it too.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 12, 2006, 06:48:33 pm
Okay, i watched the movie and it kicks ASS

I loved the slo mo fighting part at the end :)
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on April 12, 2006, 10:34:01 pm
Okay, i watched the movie and it kicks ASS

I loved the slo mo fighting part at the end :)


<iago> WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?! </iago>
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 12, 2006, 11:35:30 pm
because the part is supreme bliss, you fartknocker
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 13, 2006, 12:31:11 am
I don't think there's much point in Rad reading the comic :P
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 13, 2006, 12:38:01 am
I would if i could get it .. easily.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Outboundlight on April 13, 2006, 01:48:31 pm
Don't they have shops where you live?
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 14, 2006, 08:13:21 pm
Don't they have shops where you live?
Nawh, we just prefect just hunting and collecting our goods in belgium
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: CrunchyLizard on April 20, 2006, 09:30:13 pm
Whee, I just saw the movie today. It was awesome.
Title: Re: V for Vendetta
Post by: Bates on April 29, 2006, 09:43:40 pm
Haven't seen the movie, nor did I read the comic.

But I've read Alan Moore's Watchmen last week. How awesome was that!

Are they planning to make a movie from that comic? Someone really should.