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Title: A matter of faith..
Post by: Lexx on June 29, 2005, 07:37:27 pm
Am I the only one who's lost faith in the gaming industry? Just like the movie industry they just try to bow down to the ignorant masses and produce un-original crap and endless sequels?

I used to be an avid gamer, but there days it's all a bit.. meh.. the last game I played and really enjoyed was Zelda: Wind Waker[1]. What happened? :/ The only game I'm planning to buy in the forseeable future is Myst V[1], which is the last in the series.. then what?

Edit: I'm also looking forward to Bioshock.. [2]

Lx.

[1] All bloody sequels..
[2] http://www.sshock2.com/bioshock/
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: L'homme magique on June 29, 2005, 07:43:45 pm
All the cool people are looking forward to BioShock.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: SomethingApt on June 29, 2005, 08:04:02 pm
yep... it's all gone tits-up in the gaming industry... and it's because dickwads like EA have shitloads of money and are perfectly happy releasing yearly rehashes of games without adding the slightest improvements. the companies who actually dare to make truly innovative games just aren't getting the funding cause no-one wants to take any risks.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Smeagol on June 29, 2005, 08:09:39 pm
yep... it's all gone tits-up in the gaming industry... and it's because dickwads like EA have shitloads of money and are perfectly happy releasing yearly rehashes of games without adding the slightest improvements.

And yet many people just lap it up and pay out their £40 for EA's latest pile of crap. And they've been doing it for years, they bought the sports licensing agreements because they know, year in year out, they can make a fortune out of it. A prime example would be the Fifa games, ever since 1999 there have been no changes in gameplay, they make the graphics slightly prettier.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on June 30, 2005, 02:35:39 pm
yep... it's all gone tits-up in the gaming industry... and it's because dickwads like EA have shitloads of money and are perfectly happy releasing yearly rehashes of games without adding the slightest improvements. the companies who actually dare to make truly innovative games just aren't getting the funding cause no-one wants to take any risks.

True dat.

There are some developers who are allowed to take on new concepts. The first to come to mind is Will Wrights Spore (http://www.gamespy.com/articles/595/595975p1.html) (gamespy preview article). While I'm not particularly drawn to the concept, I will have to give him credits for innovation. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new, innovative game from Peter Molyneux and Lionhead. They've made a couple of them in the past, and that goes to show that while much of the gaming industry has gone "tits-up" (funny expression - I like it), there are some lights still.

Another game that I certainly want to have mentioned here is Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth (http://www.callofcthulhu.com), to be released this Fall. I'm having great expectations to that game.

Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Outboundlight on June 30, 2005, 06:40:52 pm
Yeah theres no doubt that the games industry is flooded with terrible and unoriginal games but the games industry is also bigger now than it ever was. There are original fun games out there. My advice is, if your bored with the current games industry then get a DS.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: chompy on June 30, 2005, 06:58:30 pm
. There are original fun games out there. My advice is, i
My advice is, If you cant go forward go backward.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Smeagol on June 30, 2005, 07:01:08 pm
There are original fun games out there. My advice is, if your bored with the current games industry then get a DS.

I second that. DS > PSP by a long way.

Even better is the fact that Sony have figured out they're getting pwned on the handheld front so are deliberating whether or not to release porn UMD's for the PSP.  Talk about cheap tactics..
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Outboundlight on June 30, 2005, 07:06:53 pm
I'm not just pimping the DS here, theres a lot of other original shit out there too - Darwinia and Katamari spring to mind without me having to even give it any thought
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: not12x on July 01, 2005, 11:48:41 am
DARWINIA HAS MY CHILDREN!

seriously, i sold my children to Darwinia for a copy, since i was broke.  tehy said something about "clarisse" and "liver" and "food", but all that was on my mind was the awesomeness of Darwinia.  damn, that game pwned

back on topic, yeah, teh gaming insudsrty has bombed.

back off topic, i must assert the unspoken king of RPG's... Baldurs Gate.

back on topic, yeah, if teh new games suck, go and play the old ones, lik e XenoGears, Legend of Dragoon, and Baldurs Gate.  not this new-age baldurs gate dark alliance crap, but teh old-school RPG god that was BG1 and BG2.  or xenogears, or Frogger, or hell, paly a nice game of pong.  its free, i tell you! free!
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 01, 2005, 11:51:21 am
Nah, if we're going to play RPGs, let's play Fallout.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Smeagol on July 01, 2005, 06:18:59 pm
back off topic, i must assert the unspoken king of RPG's... Baldurs Gate.

back on topic, yeah, if teh new games suck, go and play the old ones, lik e XenoGears, Legend of Dragoon, and Baldurs Gate.  not this new-age baldurs gate dark alliance crap, but teh old-school RPG god that was BG1 and BG2.  or xenogears, or Frogger, or hell, paly a nice game of pong.  its free, i tell you! free!

I agree so much. I spent 80 hours over 5 days playing Baldur's Gate 2 once.  The BG series (I also discount the console games, they are not worthy) are godlike. If not for the D&Dness then just for Misnc (and Boo) and Edwin. Those 3 are not only uber NPC's, they also spawn so much animosity it's brilliant.

Oh and David Warner does Irenicus perfectly.

Nah, if we're going to play RPGs, let's play Fallout.

Ahh, my back-up RPG :) The Fallout games are also quite brilliant. Try playing through with Jinxed and Bloody Mess...
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: L'homme magique on July 01, 2005, 08:41:01 pm
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back off topic, i must assert the unspoken king of RPG's... Baldurs Gate
Lol no.

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Try playing through with Jinxed and Bloody Mess...
Try playing through Gandhi mode. It's a lot more fun.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Smeagol on July 01, 2005, 09:06:01 pm
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Try playing through with Jinxed and Bloody Mess...
Try playing through Gandhi mode. It's a lot more fun.

Isn't that, kind of, impossible?
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: L'homme magique on July 01, 2005, 09:42:32 pm
Speaking as one who's done it, no.

Although, "Gandhi mode" is somewhat misleading. The main tenet is you cannot cause direct damage to any creature. And yes, this means you cannot put dynamite in peoples' pockets :P

But, you can still beat the game.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Lexx on July 02, 2005, 12:37:33 am
Am I the only one who didn't get on with Balder's Gate 2? Maybe I'm just a freak, because I enjoy table-top D&D..

Been getting on fairly well with Planescape: Torment though..

Lx.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Bearfoot on July 02, 2005, 01:05:49 am
No, you are not.  I've been feeling the same way.

I used to get excited about the latest release.  And now only a few titles will even get me excited enouogh to walk down to blockbuster to see if they're for rent.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Trezker on July 02, 2005, 01:23:50 am
Mmmm, Darwinia! *drools*

I read on the torrent comments that a guy thought the gfx were very bad by todays standards. I was just liek WTF, the gfx in Darwinia is state of the art. There's so much blending in there it beats the rest of the market put together.
The game is heavier than Doom 3 ffs!
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on July 02, 2005, 11:02:03 am
As far as I can see, nothing has actually changed. All machines have been flooded with crappy movie titles, sports titles and sequels. The good games are there, but because EA throw their money around, we have to dedicate a lot of shelf space to their titles. As a store, you do your best to display the games you really like but in the end whoever has the most cash wins. You just need to look deeper.

Take this week's new releases; yeah there's Cricket 2005 and F1 2005, but there's also Shin Megami Tensei and Bomberman. (as a side note, Bomberman DS looks fucking amazing) And I'm really looking forward to the next-gen, yeah the same crap'll be there but there are some really cool things going on. Rock'in ^_^
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: L'homme magique on July 02, 2005, 11:07:07 am
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Shin Megami Tensei
<3
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: not12x on July 02, 2005, 11:19:23 am
If not for the D&Dness then just for Misnc (and Boo)

there is no parentheses.  Boo, everyones favorite mititurized gigantic space hampster, is godly and useful enough to outweigh Minsc.  therefore, it becomes Boo (oh, and taht guy taht carries boo around, minsc... bleh)

but yeah, minsc and boo owned.  Tabletop D&D is still my all time favority form of entertainment, over music, games, sex, and eating... well, maybe not sex.

"In my 35 years of life, i had only tried sex once.  It was more of an experiment than anything..."
IDENTIFY THAT QUOTE AND I WILL E-MAIL YOU MY SOUL (and a fruit basket, 4 porno's, and my adorable puppy, Max)
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Bearfoot on July 02, 2005, 11:41:28 am
Oh, and yah.. two days a week for me with the tabletoppage.. can't be replicated online.. not untill full VR is invented at any rate.

Am I the only one who didn't get on with Balder's Gate 2? Maybe I'm just a freak, because I enjoy table-top D&D..

Been getting on fairly well with Planescape: Torment though..

Lx.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 02, 2005, 04:12:27 pm
Maybe I'm just a freak, because I enjoy table-top D&D..

Yes, you are. You should go play a real RPG. One that isn't completely combat-oriented, with a more balanced skill system and stuff. And preferably no experience levels. I like more open experience systems (though systems such as Fallouts, where all skills are equal, is acceptable).

That being said, my probably most memorable campaign was vanilla D&D. It was more or less my first campaign (I'd played and DMed CoC once before (that is, one game as player, one as DM). I think it was mainly the fact that there were quite a lot of roleplaying in it that made it, as well as that I really liked my PC (a thief modelled around Chianna from Farscape). Half the sessions were used just playing around. There were two other PCs with me from the beginning - a monk and a psyker*. The psyker was a trickster as well, and teamed up pretty well my my character. Whenever we needed cash, we just went out and stole it. Actually, that was a good portion of the game. And the monk started his own religion and got a goblin follower :-)


*or whatever they are called - you know, that class that uses mental powers instead of magic
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Lexx on July 03, 2005, 12:59:53 am
I didn't say I only play D&D, infact I've only played D&D twice in the past 2 years, I just enjoyed it. I usually play games like the Savage Worlds games and WHFRP. (Or I did until I moved recently)

Lx.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 03, 2005, 01:54:00 am
I didn't say I only play D&D, infact I've only played D&D twice in the past 2 years, I just enjoyed it. I usually play games like the Savage Worlds games and WHFRP. (Or I did until I moved recently)

Lx.

Well, I just wanted to bitch. I've played more D&D than you the last years. I was even involved in a campaign (though in my defense, it was the only possibility for RPGs at the time I started. Then I got to know people, and joined a rather fun game of Word Mage (a Storyteller 2.0 based system created by the GM. Quite fun and interesting). When my D&D character died, I never got around to creating a new one, and rather played board games at the gaming club where it was played. Board games are fun, too).
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: L'homme magique on July 03, 2005, 08:04:51 am
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One that isn't completely combat-oriented,
Torment has very little combat compared to other Infinity engine games.
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Bearfoot on July 04, 2005, 05:43:23 am
Torp, bro.

I played a character from 1st to 20th level as soon as DnD 3.0 came out.  Took three years of every weekend gaming, but I still love that character.

I think I win.. :D

 
I didn't say I only play D&D, infact I've only played D&D twice in the past 2 years, I just enjoyed it. I usually play games like the Savage Worlds games and WHFRP. (Or I did until I moved recently)

Lx.

Well, I just wanted to bitch. I've played more D&D than you the last years. I was even involved in a campaign (though in my defense, it was the only possibility for RPGs at the time I started. Then I got to know people, and joined a rather fun game of Word Mage (a Storyteller 2.0 based system created by the GM. Quite fun and interesting). When my D&D character died, I never got around to creating a new one, and rather played board games at the gaming club where it was played. Board games are fun, too).
Title: Re: A matter of faith..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on July 04, 2005, 12:35:06 pm
You do. I would have required very good fellow players and an excellent GM to have the patience to play a D&D game for so long.

Truth is, of course, that in RPGs, it's not as much the system as the setting and fellow players/GM that count. It still irritates me that D&D is so combat-oriented. It encourages the game to become purely combat-oriented, and I feel that that detracts from the fun of the game. Combat and action is a vital part of RPGs, but it should by no means be the only focus (unless that's what the players and GM wants, of course).