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Title: If i'd be girl..
Post by: Karva on October 16, 2004, 11:26:07 pm
i would marry Jammin.

pros:
Looks good
Listens Machinae
has cool nick
likes Weebl and bob

cons:
unnable to detect any cons.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 16, 2004, 11:34:20 pm
Hmmm,

Where has this show of love come from Karva?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: MDX on October 17, 2004, 12:00:38 am
Is karva swinging it to the other side possibly? I shant be joining you buddy ol pal.. i like my women =)

AND I LIKE MY BEER!

*got the new sonata arctica album - FUCK YEAH ITS ACE! =D*
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 12:04:21 am
Yeah, I'm definately straight. Women are too damn hot! Why ca'nt the world be filled with hot girls... and me??
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: MDX on October 17, 2004, 12:05:49 am
*ahem*
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 12:08:07 am
*ahem*

and MDX

ok, and all the boys in the Machinae forums.

But I get first choice, okay??!!
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: MDX on October 17, 2004, 12:08:42 am
seconds! ;D
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Einkoro on October 17, 2004, 12:09:59 am
You can swing to the other side and still like girls. Sex change would probably be a painful experiance though! o.0
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 12:12:32 am
You can swing to the other side and still like girls. Sex change would probably be a painful experiance though! o.0

Hmmmm, becoming a lesbian.... Interesting prospect.... :)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: SomethingApt on October 17, 2004, 02:41:27 am
WOW! Applaud for karva methinks!

I feel so loved! I'm almost speechless...

 ;D
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 17, 2004, 04:59:30 am
Dude.. you know some of us putt from both sides of the green.

I like my girls too.

And I know some women who could likely drink you under the table.

Is karva swinging it to the other side possibly? I shant be joining you buddy ol pal.. i like my women =)

AND I LIKE MY BEER!

*got the new sonata arctica album - FUCK YEAH ITS ACE! =D*
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 17, 2004, 05:02:01 am
As to being transgender, a sex change is a pretty traumatic thing to go through.  Basically you loose everything and are reborn as a woman, and even then ther'es troubles.

Like hormones don't affect voice or hair.  And of course, the general attatude that society has towards the transgendered.. (it's a sad fact that a good 75% of transgendered individuals will comitt suicide. )

No, I'm not looking to go through it, but some people in my life have and/or are going to go through with it.

I'm sorry if this makes y'all uncomfortable.  It's just something that's affected me and a couple very close people.


You can swing to the other side and still like girls. Sex change would probably be a painful experiance though! o.0
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Einkoro on October 17, 2004, 05:07:57 am
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Dude.. you know some of us putt from both sides of the green.
Well that's a new one for me, never heard it put in golf terms before. +1 for creativity.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 17, 2004, 06:56:09 am
75%? That's fucking scaring....I knew transgendered people had it rough, but if that number is right, I'll probably be going into shock...(no, I don't really know any transgendered people, apart from one girl I talk to on the net from time to time, and whose journal I read...but still...fucking scaring...really...)

As for my stance to bi/homo people (which was actually something that was on my mind while walking home tonight, for some reason or another); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES well, I think that the worst problem I would have with kissing a guy would be the social reactions. I'm not attracted to guys, but my homophobia is more or less nonexistant. And that is even though the first open homosexual person I've met in real life was one I met up here in Trondheim, some 2 months ago. (yay me, I'm so open and shit. Yay me! Non-yay my friends. Homophobic bastards...I think I scare them when I go "hobby-gay" on them... (that's quite fun, that is))


I normally put from the side of the green in which my ball lands (that comment had nothing to do with the thread - I actually play golf. On an irregular basis, at least. The thread (well, me) needs some humour to lighten it (me) up)

Laser get the first pick, and chooses some of the sexiest girls. MDX get some of those as well, I get the goth/punk ones (which are too freaky for Lasboy and MDX, and really anybody else except for Valentine and Kasumi, which might actually fall into one of those categories, which means I might have to share the gothpunkgirls with them); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES Bearfoot gets a couple of girls, plus a couple of guys as well, Smeaggie and Fallout gets the young ones (<16/17 or so); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES Ankle and karva can have sex operations and become Jammins girls. All other forumboys will of course get their picks as well, and other forumgirls will be allowed to choose which guy they want (or, if they're interested in girls, they'll be judged just as worthy as the guys in here). That sounds okay for everybody? (well, okay, Ankle, you can have a sex operation and share the girls with us nonetheless...and not have to become Jammins girl).

Oh, and if I'd be a girl, I'd be a really sexy one (okay, so that probably wouldn't be something I could choose, but if I could choose, I'd be sexy. But then again, who wouldn't?); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES and I'd probably put from both sides of the green. Not planning to become one, though...(sorry guys)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Einkoro on October 17, 2004, 09:07:51 am
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Ankle and karva can have sex operations and become Jammins girls.
I'm thinking, no.

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(well, okay, Ankle, you can have a sex operation and share the girls with us nonetheless...and not have to become Jammins girl).
Tempting but I'm very affraid of being operated on. Even more so when it involves such things like...Genitalia. But...I could wear skirt variant of Starlfeet uniform....Oh god it tempts me :|
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 12:50:11 pm
I think I scare them when I go "hobby-gay" on them... (that's quite fun, that is))

Laser get the first pick, and chooses some of the sexiest girls. MDX get some of those as well, I get the goth/punk ones (which are too freaky for Lasboy and MDX, and really anybody else except for Valentine and Kasumi,

I think we have a mix of the term sexy. When I see sexy, I see a girl wear baggy trou (pants, for americans); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES New Rocks, punkyfish top and fishnet and half a ton of accessories including arm warmers and possibly a trucker cap.

In other words, If I'm picking first, the punk chicks are mine! And most of the goths. I'll let you have a few of the goths, 'cos I'm generous (Share the wealth, eh? :P)


"hobby-gay" means acting gay for a laugh, yeah? Cos I do that. 'Tis fun.

But i'm totally open too. Takes a lot of freak me out (I think the only things to freak me would be bloodletting and anything necrophilic). I have friends who are transgendered and it does fuss me at all, they're nice people so their friends - that's all that matters.
I have considered going TV many times, 'cos girls clothes are so much cooler.
I also know loads of gay people - I've been to a Furmeet and I think I was the only straight guy in the room of 70+. I was fine, I even played general at furry-human chess (and won ;D). Only until two guys surrounded me and blatently chatted me up did I start wondering how to get out... But the Furs I know well are totally cool people.

As Eddie Izzard says: "If they wana be homophobic, tha'ts alright, as long as they're homophobic behind closed doors and don't hurt anyone then it's fine."
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Fallout on October 17, 2004, 02:07:52 pm
I think I scare them when I go "hobby-gay" on them... (that's quite fun, that is))

Laser get the first pick, and chooses some of the sexiest girls. MDX get some of those as well, I get the goth/punk ones (which are too freaky for Lasboy and MDX, and really anybody else except for Valentine and Kasumi,
In other words, If I'm picking first, the punk chicks are mine! And most of the goths. I'll let you have a few of the goths, 'cos I'm generous (Share the wealth, eh? :P)

Get me a st0ned goth chick any day ;D
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 17, 2004, 02:09:56 pm
As to being transgender, a sex change is a pretty traumatic thing to go through.  Basically you loose everything and are reborn as a woman, and even then ther'es troubles.

Like hormones don't affect voice or hair.  And of course, the general attatude that society has towards the transgendered.. (it's a sad fact that a good 75% of transgendered individuals will comitt suicide. )

No, I'm not looking to go through it, but some people in my life have and/or are going to go through with it.

I'm sorry if this makes y'all uncomfortable.  It's just something that's affected me and a couple very close people.


You can swing to the other side and still like girls. Sex change would probably be a painful experiance though! o.0
Wow, you guys know your stuff :D The figure for suicide is *quite* lower than that, though ;) There IS no actual figure for that, though. Most successful trans people simply disappear into society.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Spiff on October 17, 2004, 03:23:38 pm
If I had been born a girl, my name would be Angelica. Or so my mother tells me. I would probably wear baggy, ordinary clothes, to separate those who really like me from those who only like my body. In fact, I don't think I'd be much different if I were a girl. :p I'm hardly a "manly" or "macho" guy.

And I think I'm very open, myself. I don't like it when people judge you for who you are.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 03:38:24 pm
If I had been born a girl, my name would be Angelica. Or so my mother tells me. I would probably wear baggy, ordinary clothes, to separate those who really like me from those who only like my body. In fact, I don't think I'd be much different if I were a girl. :p I'm hardly a "manly" or "macho" guy.

And I think I'm very open, myself. I don't like it when people judge you for who you are.

I'm told that if I was a boy my mum would name me, and if i was a girl my dad would. My dad wanted to call me Sarah Louise, which I think is really cool and better than my male name.

I don't think I dress much different either. The trousers wouldn't change but i'd wear more than just t-shirts on top. Oh, and tartan skirts too... :)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: L'homme magique on October 17, 2004, 05:00:02 pm
I'm told if I was a girl my name would be Michelle. My name is Michael. Same with my brothers, Nicholas to Nicole, Christopher to, uh, I think it was Cassandra. >_>

Gee, my parents are creative with names.

*I'm* going to name *my* kid Jesus Christ Hitchcock.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 05:06:25 pm
Somehow I don't think anywhere would let you register your kid with that name.



PS Alternative girls names for Christopher: Christine, Christina, Chrissie, Christie, Christiana
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Smeagol on October 17, 2004, 05:18:05 pm
heh, i think my parents would have to think of a different girl's name for me (wth is the female equivalent of sean anyway?)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 05:24:59 pm
heh, i think my parents would have to think of a different girl's name for me (wth is the female equivalent of sean anyway?)

Isn't it Siobhan? Or is that the equilavent of Saemus (or however they spell James in Irish)?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: L'homme magique on October 17, 2004, 05:26:39 pm
Somehow I don't think anywhere would let you register your kid with that name.


Freedom of speech/religion/naming your kids stupid names.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 05:44:00 pm
Somehow I don't think anywhere would let you register your kid with that name.


Freedom of speech/religion/naming your kids stupid names.

I was thinking more along the lines of Child Rights. I think the social services would be on to you. I think it' considered as cruelty to give names like that.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Smeagol on October 17, 2004, 05:48:14 pm
Somehow I don't think anywhere would let you register your kid with that name.


Freedom of speech/religion/naming your kids stupid names.

I was thinking more along the lines of Child Rights. I think the social services would be on to you. I think it' considered as cruelty to give names like that.

apparently a swedish couple were trying to call their child Superman cos he was born with his arm outwards....

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Isn't it Siobhan? Or is that the equilavent of Saemus (or however they spell James in Irish)?

hmmm, i'm not actually sure on that one, meh, who knows?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 17, 2004, 05:56:02 pm
The feminisation of Sean is Sian :)

Hmmm... I know *exactly* what you mean, Laser... Couldn't stand what my parents named me :P (Hehe)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 17, 2004, 06:02:23 pm
Ok, then, what's the feminine version of "Benjamin" Because that's my name.. :P

And gods, it's so reassuring to know you guys aren't going to dog on me for something that I can't control anyway.  I'm not flaming, I don't mean to hurt any of you and you accept that.

BTW, I'm about 90% hetro.  There are just a couple of guys in my life that have supported me through some very tough times and that I've grown attached too.

*takes a deep breath*  This is also somethign I haven't shared with many people, but I am transgendered.  I do not want to have a sex change, but I do (For various reasons) Wish that I was born female.

I'll not get into the messy details if it's not wanted.  The story is pretty agnsty, but it boils down to I think I would've been happier born a woman.  

If anyone has any honest questions about this part of me, ask.  I will share how I feel as long as the questions are genuine and not intended to offend.


If I had my choice of names as a female, I think I'd go with Angelita.  She's one of the characters I play online in a roleplaying environment and I've grown rather attached to her.

Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 17, 2004, 06:05:41 pm
Hehe, you're not the only one. I've been in the trans scene (at least online, but sometimes offline) for almost five years. I've been on medication for two years now as well ;)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 17, 2004, 06:07:06 pm
If you ever need support, just PM me.  One of my dreams is to run a sort of "Halfway home" for the TG community.   A place where they can find acceptance and help if they need it...
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Fallout on October 17, 2004, 06:08:08 pm
The feminisation of Sean is Sian :)

Hmmm... I know *exactly* what you mean, Laser... Couldn't stand what my parents named me :P (Hehe)

or Shane..
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 17, 2004, 06:10:35 pm
I'm ok at the moment ;) I've met loads of people I can depend on ;)

Thanks for the offer, though.

If you'd like any interesting links, I'm on AIM at Neo Kasumi Astra :D
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 17, 2004, 06:33:30 pm

I think we have a mix of the term sexy. When I see sexy, I see a girl wear baggy trou (pants, for americans); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES New Rocks, punkyfish top and fishnet and half a ton of accessories including arm warmers and possibly a trucker cap.

Well, what you describe is more skaterpunkish than punk the way I was thinking. I was thinking more old school punk style. Often, that means worn jeans, maybe a freaky hairstyle (mohawks are quite cool); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES fishnet is quite acceptable (actually, it's more than that - it's really neat); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES accesories are not uncommon, but punkyfish tops, trucker caps and such stuff is more or less nonexistant...(such hardcore punkers generally being leftist, and anti-fashion, and Punkyfish being a fashion brand...)

(http://www.infomart.or.jp/gomodel/hobby/bx37.jpg) - This might be a tad bit on the trashy side, but it gives an acceptable overall image of what I mean...

And yes, hobby-gay is acting gay just for laughs.

Might I ask what furry-human chess is?

And as for Bearfoot, I understand what you mean (or in the words of Megatokyo, "Relax, we understand j00"). If you feel like it, spill your guts.

And as for gender, I think I'd be equally happy as a male or female. I'm not terribly attached to my penis...(but you won't be allowed to chop it off, nono...).

EDIT:

a) Is it possible to resize pics? That was a tad bit bigger than I'd hoped for...

b) And with my first name being Thomas, what would be the female version? (apart from "Thomasine", which sounds terribly stupid)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 06:41:54 pm
Ahh, I see what you mean. Yeah, I'm not really oldskool punk. I'm into the new punk, grunge, sk8er, nu-metaler type. So... all those types are mine. And you can have the punks and goths.

Human chess is where you have a big chess board on the ground and everybody acts as a piece (and I was a general ;D) - Furry-human chess just means that it was us Furs that were playing it, and some even wore their fursuits.

I'd love to be a female, but I'm not interested in the process like Bearfoot and Kas would are.

And say whatever you like, Bearfoot, I think you know we're all pretty open-minded and not easily shocked.

(Dunno the female of Thomas; I thought I did, but I dont :-\)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 17, 2004, 07:32:12 pm
Meh, I'm pretty lazy. For the last couple of years I've taken the medication and almost fogot about the rest of the process. Parents put a dampener on that :(

But yes, the surgery is supposed to be painful, and sometimes the outlook can be quite grim when you go from one gender, to a nothing, to another...
But I wouldn't trade it for the world. My life is bloody interesting and I love it that way ;)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 17, 2004, 08:37:11 pm
I was thinking maybe furries vs normal humans. One side is furry-dressed, the other not.

In human/furry-human chess, do you get to do violent killing animations, just as in BattleChess (that old computer chess game)?

And general is the guy who controls the pieces? I'd say that should be the king. The guy being the king should be allowed to scream out commands to his troops. That would be kinda cool...

And sure thing, have the new-punks...I said the real punkers where to freaky for you...... :-)

And to Kasumi: With you being okay with who you are, you're well off. That's probably more than what you could say about the general population of "normal" people.

And how come it suddenly seems like half the forum is transgendered? Wouldn't that be interesting, if the rest of the world followed the demographics of this forum?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 17, 2004, 08:47:13 pm
It was similar on another forum, actually. I made a single post and three or four members actually said that they'd felt the same.

It's nothing abnormal. Though I'm sure I'm the only person who's taking this further, I expect most thoughtful people have actually questioned what life is like on the other side.

It's not that different. The physical changes are all to be expected, but the biggest difference between male and female is society and how people treat you.
It's funny that the gender gap is only the division in other people's minds, not yours o_O
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 09:11:10 pm
In human/furry-human chess, do you get to do violent killing animations, just as in BattleChess (that old computer chess game)?

And general is the guy who controls the pieces? I'd say that should be the king. The guy being the king should be allowed to scream out commands to his troops. That would be kinda cool...

And sure thing, have the new-punks...I said the real punkers where to freaky for you...... :-)

No, no animated killings - just the piece leaving the field, head bent low in SHAME of being captured.

It would be cool if the king was in charge, but it'd be hard to control if you couldn't leave your spot. The general can move all over to look at the board from all angles.

And yeah, you have the real punkers - I agree, they'd probably be to scary for me. I'll just have the kiddypunks.

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what life is like on the other side.

The Dark Side? sorry, bad j/k

Anyways, there's only two Torp. That's 0.32% of the forum. So if we apply that to 6 billion people, that equals: 19,200,000 transgenders in the world.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 17, 2004, 09:19:24 pm
I'm not saying it's abnormal. It just seems like there's a disproportionate number of them in here. You, Bearfoot, semi-Laser, semi-me...

And that the biggest differences between genders are in peoples minds, that's probably true. It doesn't surprise me.

And though you're probably right in that most thoughtful people has wondered what life is like on the other side of the gender gap, there's a problem in that most people are not thoughtful...
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 09:56:28 pm
19,200,000 transgendered people seems a bit too much for a world figure - so I would agree that there are more trans here than averages would assume. But a lot of transgenders talk a lot on the Internet and so there is a greater chance of people meeting over the WWW.

The other point is that on here there are a lot of open-minded people. There is a less than proportionate number of "twats" here than in most forums. So, if a number of these open-minded individuals are thoughtful about opposite sex possibilties than that also increases the chances.

(Note: I only have the slightest idea of what I'm talking about here. If I'm making no sense, then don't worry, I'm not making sense to myself either)

EDIT: Oh crap, I totally forgot what I'm talking about now :-\ :-\
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Smeagol on October 17, 2004, 10:03:47 pm
There is a less than proportionate number of "twats" here than in most forums.

ah, but that's because we've yet to receive everyone from n00bgrounds....
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 17, 2004, 10:05:09 pm
There is a less than proportionate number of "twats" here than in most forums.

ah, but that's because we've yet to receive everyone from n00bgrounds....

just as long as Kurt doesn't return with with n00bground hordes we're okay. I hope tomas is ready with his bannage if Kurt ever returns.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Smeagol on October 17, 2004, 10:06:20 pm
if Kurt returns we could just revive the 'make top 10 posters admins' thread thingy ;D hehe j/k in case anyone thought i was serious (yeh, right)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 17, 2004, 11:10:36 pm
Wow, I disappear for two days and these are the interesting convos you have without me ;)

First off, you'd all better be leaving some of these hot girls for me! Not really fussed which type, its all the same where it counts ;)

Second, I guess you could loosely say I'm transgendered. I actually identify myself as being bigendered, or half and half. Deep down I know that I should have been born male. You know how guys say that they're lesbians in a man's body? Well I'm a lesbian in a man's body that was born into a female body.... Woo, I just totally confused myself.

Thirdly, this furry-human chess you speak of... is scarily fasinating o_O
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 17, 2004, 11:23:04 pm
Right, that was actually confusing, Valentine...and yes, read my post again, and you'll see that I had put down a part of the girls for you and Kasumi...(you won't get my nice little punks, though)

In an ideal world, one would be able to change gender whenever one wanted, fully. And change back again. Oh, maybe one should be forced to live a few years on the opposite side, so that one knew how those lived.

As for furry-chess, I might have to see that once myself, just for the fun of it...

I love the admins. Nice guys who bans the evil n00bs (plus, most of them play nice music as well)...

Editing, editing and editing...
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 17, 2004, 11:51:03 pm
Hmmm, interesting point. The problem is that a real world doesn't exist, and it'll never happen.

It's getting to the stage where getting to the passing for the operation is so easy that the catchment net is failing. Ie, people have had the opperation done and realised that it wasn't the right thing to do.
The problem is that things are becoming easy, and that's good, but you've got to be 100% honest with yourself. If you can't do that, then you'll make a big mistake.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Fallout on October 18, 2004, 01:17:20 am
In human/furry-human chess, do you get to do violent killing animations, just as in BattleChess (that old computer chess game)?

And general is the guy who controls the pieces? I'd say that should be the king. The guy being the king should be allowed to scream out commands to his troops. That would be kinda cool...

And sure thing, have the new-punks...I said the real punkers where to freaky for you...... :-)

No, no animated killings - just the piece leaving the field, head bent low in SHAME of being captured.

It would be cool if the king was in charge, but it'd be hard to control if you couldn't leave your spot. The general can move all over to look at the board from all angles.

And yeah, you have the real punkers - I agree, they'd probably be to scary for me. I'll just have the kiddypunks.

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what life is like on the other side.

The Dark Side? sorry, bad j/k

Anyways, there's only two Torp. That's 0.32% of the forum. So if we apply that to 6 billion people, that equals: 19,200,000 transgenders in the world.

http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/popclockw

there was:

6,394,682,988

at 23:17 Oct 17th
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Einkoro on October 18, 2004, 01:29:29 am
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The story is pretty agnsty, but it boils down to I think I would've been happier born a woman.
I've thought like that, but then I think...If I was a woman I'd probably think I'd be happier born as a guy. So I think I'll just stick to what I am. Either way, I always make the wrong choice and want the opposite.

Torp/Laser: I'll go for the girls in Starfleet uniform :P
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 18, 2004, 02:55:05 am
I'll tell you if you don't do the hump dance around me...

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...I have a Voyager "command" red uniform >_>
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 18, 2004, 08:02:55 am
Or worse yet, POS.. er, Portal of Evil...

There is a less than proportionate number of "twats" here than in most forums.

ah, but that's because we've yet to receive everyone from n00bgrounds....
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 18, 2004, 08:17:11 am
I don't want a sex change.  And you're a fur?  Cool.. I could send you some pictures of the characters I "Play" online, save that one of them is adult in nature and the other'd be rated R...

And as to my past and my transgenderism.  I'm not quite entirely comfortable talking about it.  But it all boils down to my father thinking I'm a failure as his only son.  He's told me to my face and I'll never forget the feeling.

I have two sisters and considering how my mother is sterile I will never have a brother.

I learned a lot about my father when I learned that gramps was an alchoholic drill sargent... fortunately things have been slowly and steadily getting better with me and dad, and although I'm not sure I'll be able to say I really care about him, he's growing more and more cool in my book.

So, you see, I wish I had been BORN female.  Because all my young adult life I've been told I'm a miserable male.  I know that's not true now, but let me say, living as someone someone else wants you to be is killer.  I'm very lucky I have friends who care for me, otherwise I wouldn't have survived to be the near 29 year old I am today.

I know, though, that that's not the answers to the problems. And although I'd like to think that my parents would support me if I were to go through a sex change, that doesn't change the past.

So I "Play" characters online who are female.  Furry characters actually.  (ask me in PMs if you really want to know more.)

Um.. yah.. now tha tyou know all about me.. :P  

Human chess is where you have a big chess board on the ground and everybody acts as a piece (and I was a general ;D) - Furry-human chess just means that it was us Furs that were playing it, and some even wore their fursuits.

I'd love to be a female, but I'm not sure whether I'm passionate about going thru the process like Bearfoot and Kas would be/are.


And say whatever you like, Bearfoot, I think you know we're all pretty open-minded and not easily shocked.


(Dunno the female of Thomas; I thought I did, but I dont :-\)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Einkoro on October 18, 2004, 08:47:56 am
I'll tell you if you don't do the hump dance around me...

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...I have a Voyager "command" red uniform >_>
Oh, my, god. Someone hold me back. Starfleet uniform fetish taking over mind.

I don't suppose we could see a picture in uniform? Is it the jumpsuit or three piece?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 18, 2004, 11:30:11 am
Three piece, plus it got put away somewhere, and I don't know where >_<
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 18, 2004, 06:44:28 pm
I'd say that this forum is full of freaks of all kinds, but that'd be being hippocritical. Its just none of the things mentioned so far apply to me, and i'd rather not discuss them.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 18, 2004, 07:53:23 pm
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." nobby?

I'd say that this forum is full of freaks of all kinds, but that'd be being hippocritical. Its just none of the things mentioned so far apply to me, and i'd rather not discuss them.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Smeagol on October 18, 2004, 08:23:28 pm
I'd say that this forum is full of freaks of all kinds

We've got some freak potential, but that's just great... remind you of anything? :)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 19, 2004, 12:25:08 pm
Yeah Bearfoot,  that's the thing: I'm constantly thinking how I should've been born a girl. How much I would suit it and how much I would prefer it - because I imagine myself, being a girl but living pretty much the same.

Of course, if I was born a girl, I think life would be very different. So once or twice I have asked whoever's up there that I wake up as a girl, but that everything else is the same - friends, family, life.

But as to sex change: No. Not at all.


If only we could find out, just a few months as the opposite sex and then we can decide on what we want. But, really, tha'ts impossible.


I've played tonnes of characters as female in my time. I used to attend an MSN chat room as my old RP character Laser Turret  - and then decided to have a go and suddenly appeared Harmony Pride, his elven step-sister.

I also write stories and in one series my main characters have all developed different aspects of my own personality (just by chance after writing them for so long) and characters that I did'nt like disappeared. So in the end I found I had 4 girls and 1 boy - one girl's a intelligent no-bullshit-taker, the other is small and has learning difficulties, another is a sk8-punk with a past and the other is a lesbian Japan-fan, and the boy is a depressive. All parts of me.


As for the furry scene - yes, I'm a Fur. A lot of my drawing is furry.


There, i've spilled my guts out for you - that's what 3 hours sat in a university computer room alone can do to you.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 19, 2004, 02:21:35 pm
Hehe, so that's what you're been up to all morning ^_^ I completely understand what you're saying. It all really depends on which one of those personalities speaks for yourself, I guess.

Usually on really early mornings like these the balance of power changes, and I can't be arsed to be anyone :P
I just show up to uni in my coat and do the work, and then go home to bed ;)

God, getting up in the morning after all said is done is going to be really crappy. Ironic, I think :P
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 19, 2004, 02:24:07 pm
Doing the same thing in an Uni room filled with people would be quite a lot harder, though, if I'm not wrong. I mean, I've got problems writing about normal stuff with people around me. But then again, I might be a tad bit paranoid...

Still, really, what you're saying revolts me. I mean, who really plays a RP character named Laser Turret?  :) (yeah, that's the most revolting thing I could find in your post).

And Smeagol, "some freak potential" is an understatement. But we all knew that before this thread was started, didn't we?

Wonder if MaSu thought of us forumers when they wrote that?

Getting up in the morning is crappy anyway, Kasumi...having to go to Uni at 0815 is what I consider cruel and unusual punishment. I'm jjst not sure why they punish me. What have I done to deserve this?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 19, 2004, 02:36:24 pm
Doing the same thing in an Uni room filled with people would be quite a lot harder, though, if I'm not wrong.

Still, really, what you're saying revolts me. I mean, who really plays a RP character named Laser Turret?  :) (yeah, that's the most revolting thing I could find in your post).

Yeah, I wouldn't write that now. There are about 7 people in the room. It's ok thou - none of them are interested to look.

And I hope that it doesn't revolt anybody. Can't imagine why?

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It all really depends on which one of those personalities speaks for yourself, I guess.

I'm not sure there is just one. I'm not the same person to different people, and I'm aways talking to myself. Which is not good if any of my family hear me.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 19, 2004, 02:45:56 pm
Actually, call me dim, but I can't imagine why that'd be revolting either x_x Maybe it really is that bad a morning :P

For me, there are lots of different aspects to my personality. The one that is loud and says unusual things that confuse my friends does not represent me ;D

Usually I'm more quieter and composed.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 19, 2004, 03:03:37 pm
Talking to oneself can be dangerous and alienating towards others. I do it all of the time. I think I've been close to saying some rather stupid things in public, things that would probably get around quite fast and really push people away from me. The voices in my head can be quite strange at times.

I think before I speak, but the problem is that I think out loud...

And I do believe some would find your thoughts repelling. People aren't as openminded and nice as they should be. The word revolting might have been a bad choosing, though, and a bit stronger than what I'd express, but in that case you have to excuse my english as a second language skillz...I'm still not sure my wording was wrong, though...

And the Laser Turret thing was really some sort of strange inside joke (inside my head joke, probably). Being somewhat of a roleplayer myself, but leaning more towards realistic settings, that name just doesn't fit my version of RPGs....
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 19, 2004, 07:32:22 pm
There's always crossdressing, not quite as dramatic and reversable.  Trouble with me doing that is that I'd make one FUGLY girl.. :P

One of the things I've read about it mentioned start small.  Buy a woman's shirt.. or a woman's pair of pants.  Something that could be easily mistaken for a male's clothing...

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The story is pretty agnsty, but it boils down to I think I would've been happier born a woman.
I've thought like that, but then I think...If I was a woman I'd probably think I'd be happier born as a guy. So I think I'll just stick to what I am. Either way, I always make the wrong choice and want the opposite.

Torp/Laser: I'll go for the girls in Starfleet uniform :P
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Smeagol on October 19, 2004, 07:49:00 pm
Talking to oneself can be dangerous and alienating towards others. I do it all of the time. I think I've been close to saying some rather stupid things in public, things that would probably get around quite fast and really push people away from me. The voices in my head can be quite strange at times.

And I do believe some would find your thoughts repelling. People aren't as openminded and nice as they should be. The word revolting might have been a bad choosing, though, and a bit stronger than what I'd express, but in that case you have to excuse my english as a second language skillz...I'm still not sure my wording was wrong, though...

oh hell yeh! that's true alright, done it enough times myself, it can be fairly scary how increbily thick and non sensitive people can be, then just a few seconds later come across completly differently, i find it pretty damn odd. Think about it, if, for example, you make your thoughts known on a particular subject (think of one of your own, i'm not gonna do it, and change it to your style of thinking....unless your magicman then don't :p) and someone else objects fairly strongly about 2-3 minutes later, maybe more depending on what the argument was about, they'll completly change their mind and act all friendly again, either, assuming they're desperate to keep a friendship, intelligent enough to persuade one to their thinking, or just very thick and don't know what else to do.

Can be quite a dangerous thing, methinks...
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 19, 2004, 08:46:53 pm
I really don't think what I said was any more extreme than what else has been said in this thread. I just reflected it in my own life.

I do'nt wish to wierd ppl out, though, and I half-consider deleting that so ppl cannot read it. Then they wo'nt know anything about me and I can hide in the shadows again.


PS. Yeah, I know Laser Turret a shitty RP name. But it stuck from when I first used it.

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One of the things I've read about it mentioned start small.  Buy a woman's shirt.. or a woman's pair of pants.  Something that could be easily mistaken for a male's clothing...

Already have done - but only because I buy off eBay and some seller can be very vague about their items - either on purpose or accidentally. Unisex - yeah, right.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 20, 2004, 01:00:26 am
Well you haven't weirded me out, but I really want someone to explain what a fur really is, because i'm interested. I really don't know a lot about it. Personally I'm into allsorts of scary stuff I wouldn't even admit to myself, yet alone you guys ^_^
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 20, 2004, 01:07:55 am
Trouble with being a fur is that there are so many definitions.  There's an old saying "Ask ten furs what furry is, you'll get 12 different answers."

For me it is truely a religous thing.  I have Totemistic leanings, Bear is my totem animal.  (Well, one of em.  Sometimes I wish Coyote wasn't the other.)

For some people it's a game they play, for others it's a religion and for others (I'm afraid to say, but I got to be honest.) It's for things like what you see furry claimed on on TV.

Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 20, 2004, 01:18:07 am
Furs are people who have a strong affinity with their animal side. That's a broad generalisation.

Basically, in the area I know about, they are people with an overactive interest in anthropomorphic animalia - i.e. humans that have features of animals. Take a human, cover it in fur, give it a muzzle, animal ears and eyes and sometimes paws and always give it a tail - and you have a furry.

It is often expressed in a sexual way and there is a lot of furry art available: a lot sexual, a lot not. There are many artists - some better than others... and some specialise in characters from Disney (think Robin Hood) or Sonic or even Digimon/Pokemon.

The furry community tends to consist almost wholly of (male) gays. I really do not understand why this is, being as the route I took into it was not gay in the slightest...

But when Furs meet they tend to just hang around in a very large group and split off from each other after a while - like anybody would.

There are some aspects of furry that I feel I souldn't go into, but I should mention the Fursuiting. Furs wish to actually be a furry themselves. Like wishing you had breasts, they wish they had a tail and dog ears (and sometimes breasts too...) Now, imagine going to a theme park and seeing a guy in, say, a wolf costume, handing out flyers. Right? Now give that wolf a real fur covering and imagine that the man insisde hasn't been given this suit and is only wearing to get paid at the end of the day. Instead he's bought it for a few hundred quid and is wearing it just because.


Is that any clearer?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Fallout on October 20, 2004, 01:19:26 am
http://www.furcadia.com

People have probably already heard of this, but this is what i thought a furry was origionally. I wonder if this is what made people want to be "furry"?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 20, 2004, 01:21:41 am
http://www.furcadia.com

People have probably already heard of this, but this is what i thought a furry was origionally. I wonder if this is what made people want to be "furry"?

No, Furcadia spawned out of the furry fandom. Furry has been around for years and years, Furcadia came out about 3 years ago (?). If you go on it you'll basically ffind lots of characters just facing each other, and cybering.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 20, 2004, 01:24:14 am
That was pretty clear... except for the last bit which confused the hell out of me, but I think I know what you were saying. Fursuiting always kinda intrigued me and I've looked into it a bit. I fucking love the stuff as a material but I'd rather something more realistic. You know, not like I was an animal or whatever, just a regular person who had their own fur  ??? Now I just confused myself.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Fallout on October 20, 2004, 01:25:57 am
and me! lol i think you confused lotsa people then. applaud! :D:D
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 20, 2004, 01:27:38 am
You know, not like I was an animal or whatever, just a regular person who had their own fur  ??? Now I just confused myself.

Yeah, when they fursuit - they just wish that this fur was really theirs. They also do it to show off and say: "Look at my fur-suit, I spent ~so much~ on it. Be impressed."

Its just a guy in a suit of fur - tha'ts it.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 20, 2004, 01:34:15 am
I really want to explain what I mean, but I can't. I guess its one of those things you have to explain in real life. Its so frustrating >:(

I dunno, I'm probably gonna stick with bondage and girl-love. Everyone likes girl-love ;)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 20, 2004, 01:40:48 am
girl-love ;)

Shoujo-ai!!! ;D hehe


Erm, just thought I'd add my fur persona is a Red Panda.
They're red and white, only come out a night and are pretty lazy, just mulling about all day, eating bamboo. They're sometimes called Firefox or Bearcat. I like foxes and cats very much, so this it's a pretty cool hybrid.

Some people may remember my old avatar was a Red Panda - this is why ;)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 20, 2004, 01:43:32 am
I saw a red panda at a zoo once, they're so cute ^_^ Aren't they related to raccoons or something like that?
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 20, 2004, 01:48:03 am
Laser: No, you didn't weird me out. No, your stuff wasn't weirder than everybody elses. i was just making a jokish comment which got kinda misunderstood. The explanation-thingy probably goes for most of the posts in this thread...

Normal people are really scary ones...
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 20, 2004, 01:49:52 am
Absolutely, that sounds right to me... Only one thing gets me, and it's nothing personal to the people that do it, but I really don't see the motivation to wear the hood...
If I ever had a fursuit (and I have wondered); INSERT INTO yabbse_messages (ID_MSG, ID_TOPIC, ID_MEMBER, subject, posterName, posterEmail, posterTime, posterIP, smiliesEnabled, modifiedTime, modifiedName, body, icon, attachmentSize, attachmentFilename) VALUES I'd want it to look almost realistic. To me, wearing a hood that looks cartoony kinda defeats the object.

That's not to say that I'd never do it... I'm more interested in making one that looks a little more plausible. I'd definately invest in some teeth, make a pair of ears clip in and some realistic paws maybe...
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 20, 2004, 01:54:13 am
Maybe I should post a pic of me in all my guy stuff, my hairs a bit long to be convincing but I pass pretty well. I can walk like a guy, and talk like one with a bit of practice.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Einkoro on October 20, 2004, 03:28:45 am
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Some people may remember my old avatar was a Red Panda - this is why
And I shall have that cuddly firefox plushy to celebrate the release of Firefox 1.0 :D

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There's always crossdressing, not quite as dramatic and reversable.  Trouble with me doing that is that I'd make one FUGLY girl..
Does cosplaying as a member of the opposite sex count? :P
Starfleet uniform, skirt variant! Err...That would look so wrong with my legs. o.0
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Bearfoot on October 20, 2004, 05:35:38 am
I think that we should take the furry discussion elsewhere lest we hijack the thread.  

I suggest here...http://hazul.net/machinae/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1211

And Laser.. you should look a little closer.. there's plenty of straight people in the fandom.  NOt that your assessment is somehow inaccurate, as a majority of the furs that I know ONLINE are gay.


The furry community tends to consist almost wholly of (male) gays. I really do not understand why this is, being as the route I took into it was not gay in the slightest...

Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 20, 2004, 04:42:08 pm
I've such a stressful week thus far. Monday saw DDR, running to the uni with BloodAngel because we were late for our anime society (it was his fault!) and a night out to the local rock club.

Tuesday saw the morning after effect ALL DAY. Uni from 9-5 and then work from 6-10.


Also, over the course of those two days I found out my therapist is to face a serious proffessional misconduct board, because he's more liberal with treatment than the draconian NHS doctors.
If they find him guilty, he could be struck off the General Medical Council's lists, and that means I can't go to see him anymore.

Which means that I'll have to go and see the draconian doctors that expect you to live as a woman for a year before they even give you a prescription. Arsewipes.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Fallout on October 20, 2004, 06:57:45 pm
Everyone likes girl-love ;)

Its true! ;D
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 20, 2004, 09:48:12 pm
Laser: No, you didn't weird me out. No, your stuff wasn't weirder than everybody elses. i was just making a jokish comment which got kinda misunderstood. The explanation-thingy probably goes for most of the posts in this thread...

I know you were'nt weirded out. But I'm saying that I do'nt think it was too bad for others. If they did get weirded out by it, they I don't care.

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I saw a red panda at a zoo once, they're so cute ^_^ Aren't they related to raccoons or something like that?


I adopt a Red Panda at Bristol Zoo Gardens ;D Yes, their closest relations are raccoons and they have barely anything in common with Giant Pandas, except for bamboo and an extra thumb-bone.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 20, 2004, 10:44:19 pm
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." nobby?

I'd say that this forum is full of freaks of all kinds, but that'd be being hippocritical. Its just none of the things mentioned so far apply to me, and i'd rather not discuss them.
thats what i meant to come across as saying, but it came out rather stupid, as usual. i need a dumbass alarm that goes off when i try to post.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 21, 2004, 01:20:26 am
Maybe I should post a pic of me in all my guy stuff, my hairs a bit long to be convincing but I pass pretty well. I can walk like a guy, and talk like one with a bit of practice.

Is that new avatar you? Must say, I find it really cool...(can't say that it's very normal guy stuff you're wearing, though...)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Laser.T on October 21, 2004, 01:22:57 am
Maybe I should post a pic of me in all my guy stuff, my hairs a bit long to be convincing but I pass pretty well. I can walk like a guy, and talk like one with a bit of practice.

Is that new avatar you? Must say, I find it really cool...(can't say that it's very normal guy stuff you're wearing, though...)

Lol. That certainly isn't her. That's Spider - the lead singer of Powerman 5000. They used to dress up all space age for videos, photoshoots, and gigs.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Torp v2.0 on October 21, 2004, 01:51:21 am
Hmmm...well...oops?

Rather feminine looking guy, and an avatar change just after posting that post had me tricked. Well, I was far from sure, but I had to ask...
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Trezker on October 21, 2004, 03:03:45 am
Hay Valentine, I really like that avatar. It's like, the japanese answer to Duke Nukem.

(I'm drunk right now, so feel free to discard this post ;) )
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Kasumi-Astra on October 21, 2004, 03:37:46 am
Haha! Spider is spider, no-one else :P

Maybe if you be really nice I'll spike her hair and get her goggles for her photoshoot ;)
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Einkoro on October 21, 2004, 03:58:12 am
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." nobby?

I'd say that this forum is full of freaks of all kinds, but that'd be being hippocritical. Its just none of the things mentioned so far apply to me, and i'd rather not discuss them.
thats what i meant to come across as saying, but it came out rather stupid, as usual. i need a dumbass alarm that goes off when i try to post.

What about the alert that says you signed into msn I recieve, does that count for an alarm? :P
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: Valentine Revolution on October 21, 2004, 09:31:26 am
Haha! Spider is spider, no-one else :P

Maybe if you be really nice I'll spike her hair and get her goggles for her photoshoot ;)

XD That would so cool ^_^ I really want to spike my hair but I don't wanna look butch... It's really hard to look like a guy, not a masculine girl.
Title: Re:If i'd be girl..
Post by: ПФББЧ on October 21, 2004, 10:21:41 am
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." nobby?

I'd say that this forum is full of freaks of all kinds, but that'd be being hippocritical. Its just none of the things mentioned so far apply to me, and i'd rather not discuss them.
thats what i meant to come across as saying, but it came out rather stupid, as usual. i need a dumbass alarm that goes off when i try to post.

What about the alert that says you signed into msn I recieve, does that count for an alarm? :P
most definitly. ;D