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Title: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Spikeball on October 17, 2007, 11:30:34 pm
Hello, all! Right now, I'm taking a linguistic anthropology class and would really like to study Machinae's use of Japanese as an example of code-switching for a paper I have to write. Now, I'm going to email the band with my questions, but I thought I'd get the forum's input on this.

As you probably know, some Japanese appears in Insidious, Kaori Stomp, Oki Kuma's Adventure, and Theme from Jets'n'Guns. I don't know the Japanese language myself, so I'd appreciate if someone more knowledgeable than I produced a written version of the Japanese phrases and their translations. (That's minor, though, and not the main reason for starting the thread)

But on to the actual question: Why do you think Machinae uses Japanese phrases in their songs? Is it because Japanese is just a friggin awesome language, or is there something deeper? Your two cents will be greatly appreciated.

I may be using your responses in my paper, so please keep that in mind.

Thanks,
Andrew
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Lysix on October 17, 2007, 11:54:45 pm
welcome, newbie!
id say it was just for the hell of it, and because robert knows someone who speaks fluent japanese. i THINK.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Jack Lupino on October 17, 2007, 11:56:44 pm
Anime.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Fallout on October 18, 2007, 12:00:50 am
A lot of swedish/finnish/scandinavian people have Japanese ..fetishes, apparently. I actually recall Ozziz telling me about a Finnish-Japanese village, and I guess Rob has a love for all things Japanese too, Most probably because of Anime.

EDIT: 5800!
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: L'homme magique on October 18, 2007, 01:42:32 am
did someone say weeaboo
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Jaxell on October 18, 2007, 09:23:16 am
The recordings are friends and friends of friends of Machinae Supremacy. Dont think anyone in Machinae love all things japanese, but the language sounds cool, right?
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Sirix on October 18, 2007, 04:08:18 pm
did someone say weeaboo

weaboo! weaboo! weaboo!
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: mumppis on October 18, 2007, 05:13:35 pm
yattaaa yattaaa reason is that japanese is uber and machinae is fans of japanese culture so its a way to show their feelings to it or something like that
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Jack Lupino on October 18, 2007, 05:53:51 pm
yattaaa yattaaa reason is that japanese is uber and machinae is fans of japanese culture so its a way to show their feelings to it or something like that
Urusai. Watashi wakata desu.


(Or something similar)
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Ak!mbo on October 18, 2007, 08:19:25 pm
I always thought it was something in the lines of reffering to cyberpunk aestethics and whatnot, portraying a growing cultural globalizasion and an increase in cultural exchange between the east and the west as economics grow mutually, inevitably merging, bringing with them mutual cultural luggage, influencing each other's popular cultures, adverticing etc.
tl;dr: Blade Runner :P
(I've got a fever, head's not working right...)
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Smogelore on October 19, 2007, 06:46:04 pm
WEE-A-BOO! WEE-A-BOO! wee-a-bo...


what?
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Asor on October 20, 2007, 06:51:50 pm
Well, I think it could be that most of the bandmembers are avid gamers, and Japan has affected the gaming industry a lot. And also it could be that some(Atleast Rob, I think) of them are also fans of Anime. So there you have it, atleast from my opinion.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Ant on October 20, 2007, 09:08:57 pm
It sounds good too.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: evilcandybag on October 20, 2007, 09:20:11 pm
Then we also have the fact that in Japanese music code-switching to English is quite common so, since MaSu are (at least a bit) inspired by Japanese music, this code-switching isn't really suprising.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: L'homme magique on October 20, 2007, 10:05:52 pm
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Then we also have the fact that in Japanese music code-switching to English is quite common
Yes, to incredibly ruinous effect. Hardly something worth emulating.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: evilcandybag on October 20, 2007, 10:07:31 pm
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Then we also have the fact that in Japanese music code-switching to English is quite common
Yes, to incredibly ruinous effect. Hardly something worth emulating.

But MaSu do it in the exact same way, only with English as main language, and Japanese as secondary.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: L'homme magique on October 21, 2007, 12:30:44 am
And it is ruinous.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Ak!mbo on October 21, 2007, 08:53:56 pm
I'd love to have some German put in my band's songs, I think it sounds awesome, the Clash used some Spanish and French I think.. It's all just cultural exchange in a world with growing relationships between geogrphical borders, which the internetts has helped a great deal with.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Palicgofueniczekt on October 21, 2007, 11:19:08 pm
These exist somewhere on the forums, unless they were deleted. I will save you some time. Though my ears may deceive me:

Insidious - 皆、もすぐマシーン・スプレマシーが来る [だ/わ/ば] よ! Minna, mousugu Machinae Supremacy ga kuru da/wa/ba yo! Everyone, here comes Machine Supremacy!

Theme from Jets & Guns - マシーン・スプレマシー、どうぞ。 Machinae Supremacy, douzo.  Machinae Supremacy, please/by all means (we welcome your excellent music to a rockin' game)

I am lazy, the newer ones should be easier to find.

A lot of swedish/finnish/scandinavian people have Japanese ..fetishes, apparently. I actually recall Ozziz telling me about a Finnish-Japanese village, and I guess Rob has a love for all things Japanese too, Most probably because of Anime.

EDIT: 5800!

There was a movie out a few years ago about a Japanese restaurant in Finland.  It was pretty good. かもめ食堂/Kamome Shokudo/Seagull Cafe(teria).
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Aphex on October 22, 2007, 09:44:37 pm
Sweet. I was also wondering bout the meaning of japanese phrases.  :P
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Lando on October 22, 2007, 11:23:17 pm
I reckon it's because some of the band members like the japanese pop-culture (anime, games, music etc). I think this is the main reason. Also, I guess japanese, unlike for instance french, german or spanish is a language many won't recognise instantly, which gives the songs a bit of a mysterious edge. YOu know they say something, but you don't know what. Hoho, unless you're me. I speak and understand the language worth of five years of studies . here's my take on what all that jap means:

Insidious:
Minna, mousugu Machinae Supremacy ga kuru wa yo= By the book this means, "Everyone, Machine Supremacy will arrive soon", but I'd stik with the mentioned "Everyone, Here comes Masu" since, well, although it's the "correct meaning" it's a bit too formal for the situation, eh.

Jets 'n Guns: Machinae Supremacy, douzo.= Could mean a couple of things. Could be the mentioned "Machine Supremacy, Please" as in~"feel free to do whatever" or it could be the "That was Machine Supremacy~" after a gig kinda douzo. Hard to tell.

Kaori Stomp:
A bit harder this, mainly due to Rob's pronunciation (no offence, just a song-kinda thing). Basically it's :
(You got the Style), Ikasu, ore wa oboete iru (when you are here) to hokano hitotachi ga mienakunattshimau. And this could mean some different stuff too. The first word, ikasu is somewhat a “?” on my part. I know two meanings of this word, them being either “Cool stylish, smart” or “To revive” but they’re both Japanese words, and in the redeemer book MaSu uses the foreign words katakana-alphabet to write the word. So either they just wanted to make Ikasu cooler, or it’s a name of someone, or slang for something.

My tip? I’d go with the “cool” translation. ‘cause, then the sentence means this:
You got the style, so cool, I remember it now, when you are here all the other people become invisible (here they use the Japanese grammar for either “completely” or “I reget doing so”, so it could also mean “Everyone disappears completely or “I reget that they disappear, I’d go with the first one).

Oki Kumas Adventure:
A bit trickier to hear, this one, and the text got some kanjis I don't recognise, but, here's my take:
Right, first of all, just to all of you who might not know this, Oki kuma actually means "big bear", so that's what this song is about, a big bear. AMybe the starsign, I dunno?
Anyway.

Kuma wa, sekai o [something]. Hubnester no tatakai no densetsu wa eien ni ii [something]gareru deshou. Meh, hard shit. Reckon it's Something like
 "The Bear [something] the world. The so called Hubnester's legendary fight [something]forever, eh? " but honestly, I can't make proper stuff out of it apart from that. Could be the bear's fighting for the legendary hubnester, or that the fight of the hubnester is legendary and forever, or something like that, dunno for sure. Sorryz.

Reanimator: Pretty tricky this, she talks so silently, and the text is full of unknow kanjis, but what the hell, I'll have a go.
Watashi wa nemuri ni tsuki kurayami no naka heto kieteiku. =While I sleep in the middle of the darkness, something blows out/turns off)
Susumu koto ni tsukare, tada kono mama de itai =I get tired, and I think I wanna stay here (ain't too sure about that one, but hey, works)
Jitto koko de matsu dake de ii = I could stay here quietly.
Jitto koko de kono mama de matsu dake de ii = I'm sure I could stay here silently forever (or for a long time, etc).

Not too sure about the reanimator stuff, altough I'm pretty sure about the overall context (chick dying/dead in the "darkness", not to sad about) itI can't really get all the grammar and stuff to form something 100%. But I hope this will do.

Oh, and I would appreciate if a real Machine Supremacy-member could give some hint to wheter or not my translation is correct or not, just because I tried to translate it and would like to know if I atleast got some of ir right xD
Tricky language, that jap.











Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Aphex on October 22, 2007, 11:38:51 pm
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Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Ratti on October 23, 2007, 12:21:08 am
http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php/topic,2857

the translations used to be in the lyrics on the website but i guess they were removed. the thread still features japanese transcriptions and my attempts at translation at the end
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Aphex on October 23, 2007, 12:29:36 am
You also deserve it.

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Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Lando on October 23, 2007, 12:34:33 am
Guess my translation wasn't too off then  8)
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Bates on November 02, 2007, 09:58:45 am
Legendary epic post. *plays Mortal Kombat theme*

Added the following section to the newbie FAQ:

Quote
Translation of Japanese lyrics on Redeemer
http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php/topic,2857.msg101570.html#msg101570
http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php/topic,5463.msg195242.html#msg195242

Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Lysix on November 02, 2007, 03:12:02 pm
hands off my thread you bastard!
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Jack Lupino on November 02, 2007, 05:38:19 pm
Now, say that in japanese and he would be indeed, pwned.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Ratti on November 03, 2007, 11:28:13 am
俺のスレッドを放せ、キサマ!!
or something like that xD
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Bates on November 03, 2007, 01:32:08 pm
I'm tempted to edit that into Lysix' post.  :P
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Ant on November 03, 2007, 01:40:08 pm
Give in to your temptations!

Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Lysix on November 03, 2007, 07:28:44 pm
and im tempted to remove the edit should you do so ;)
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Windy on November 08, 2007, 12:34:45 am
My tip? I’d go with the “cool” translation. ‘cause, then the sentence means this:
You got the style, so cool, I remember it now, when you are here all the other people become invisible (here they use the Japanese grammar for either “completely” or “I reget doing so”, so it could also mean “Everyone disappears completely or “I reget that they disappear, I’d go with the first one).

Actually, the feeling of regret is mostly only there if oneself is the cause of the action. Since...Robert certainly isn't the cause for everyones' disappearance, a more correct translation would be "Everyone just happens to disappear"
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: olyckan on January 23, 2008, 05:06:36 pm
Its really simple. I put together a mathematical equasion so you all can understand it more easily.

Japan=home of martial arts=cool=of course use japanese in their music..
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: dezo on January 23, 2008, 05:32:18 pm
Its really simple. I put together a mathematical equasion so you all can understand it more easily.

Japan=home of martial arts=cool=of course use japanese in their music..

hmm, you gor something going here methinks.
How about this:
Japan=Home of mecha=Macross 7=Music playing machines=MaSu... uh, mebbe not that logical tho =P
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: tetsuo2040 on January 23, 2008, 06:33:08 pm
Its really simple. I put together a mathematical equasion so you all can understand it more easily.

Japan=home of martial arts=cool=of course use japanese in their music..

hmm, you gor something going here methinks.
How about this:
Japan=Home of mecha=Macross 7=Music playing machines=MaSu... uh, mebbe not that logical tho =P

Someone's been drinking again...  ^-^
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Kråhffäh on January 23, 2008, 11:32:25 pm
Yay for reviving old threads =D
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: ibmman85 on January 24, 2008, 05:39:57 am
Sweet, Dezo likes Macross? Macross is definitely metal.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: dezo on January 24, 2008, 05:49:31 am
Sweet, Dezo likes Macross? Macross is definitely metal.

Dood, I have seen all Macross (and ofc Roboteh) possible. Just don't the *eh* second and third seasons of Robotech.
Macross+ is my favourite.
Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
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Title: Re: Reasons for Japanese?
Post by: Chronologix on February 01, 2008, 07:49:10 am
then of course Japan=Creators of the some of the greatest games ever made + video game inspiration=reason enough?
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