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Title: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on October 18, 2005, 05:01:46 pm
I read a post in another topic somewhere on this forum (I think it was the topic where people have been putting up songs they have composed) about someone trying to learn how to do screaming vocals.  I thought I'd start a topic specifically for people to post in if they: 1) have experience doing screaming vocals, and want to help out those of us who don't but who want to learn (like me); 2) don't have any experience, and want to learn, or have some, but want to get better at it.

I've been trying it out when I'm in the mood, though I can't say I've gotten much of anywhere.  I've been told that when you scream, it comes from your gut, so I'm trying to work with that.  I've also been told that you shouldn't attempt to the point where your throat is very sore, because that could mess up your vocal chords VERY badly.  If your throat starts getting sore, I'd say to stop for the day and give your vocal chords a rest.  If it's sore in the morning, don't practice that day. 

That's what I know.  If anybody has anything else to share, or anything to say about what advice I have recieved, share your wisdom. 
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Smeagol on October 18, 2005, 06:34:27 pm
All I can say is, do NOT death grunt all of Stand My Ground by Within Temptation. I could barely talk for a week afterwards, it hurt to say anything.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on October 18, 2005, 07:58:02 pm
Man...and I haven't even heard of the song, nor the band, but it must have a LOT of screaming in it.  Another thing I was told (that I forgot to mention) was that you should do a little at a time, gradually building up the amount of screaming you can do at a time.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Smeagol on October 18, 2005, 09:27:51 pm
No, it has none. I just did my own little cover to it when singing along. It's what I do, badly.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ankle on October 19, 2005, 06:12:54 am
Also, it's not screaming. It's grunting. If you try and scream rather than grunt you'll have a very hard time keeping your breath. I've managed to carry a few conversations with a friend while LANing late in entirely death grunts for practice as we are mutually interested in metal. I'm hardly good at it but meh, practice is practice.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on October 19, 2005, 08:05:09 am
I think we're on similar, but slightly different tangents of the same thing.  You're talking about what I call the "metal growl," the low pitch "screaming," if you want to call it that.  What I was thinking of actually was something more like Poison the Well, or Trivium.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: MDX on October 19, 2005, 11:25:11 am
Thats grunting. And a little bit of screaming. the rawwrawrawrawwww thing is grunting.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Smeagol on October 19, 2005, 06:36:46 pm
Triv-style-screaming isn't too bad, although for long periods of time, it can dry out the mouth entirely.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: MDX on October 20, 2005, 01:14:50 am
Its more irritating than anything, you dont know what hes saying at all, i mean fair play i listen to alot of bands where the vocals and sometimes the gruntings dont make full sense without the lyrics, good band but vocally, he's better off not screaming/grunting/whatever so much. In Flames do it best.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ankle on October 20, 2005, 03:35:57 am
I think we're on similar, but slightly different tangents of the same thing.  You're talking about what I call the "metal growl," the low pitch "screaming," if you want to call it that.  What I was thinking of actually was something more like Poison the Well, or Trivium.
They are just technique with noticeable deviation from the 'traditional' death grunting. Metalcore and melodic death aren't that different from death vocals. It is for the most part just a different pitch, though some bands do scream in parts along with the death grunts, but that usually never lasts longer than a word or three. But yes, I suppose you could call that a slightly different tangent.

My favourite use of death grunts, be it a variation or traditional, would have to be Dark Tranquillity, Tristania, Theatre of Tragedy and Swallow the Sun. I'm also very fond of the black metal vocals which are somewhat similar, Kovenant and Eternal Tears of Sorrow being my favourites there.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on October 23, 2005, 06:39:59 pm
I think we're on similar, but slightly different tangents of the same thing.  You're talking about what I call the "metal growl," the low pitch "screaming," if you want to call it that.  What I was thinking of actually was something more like Poison the Well, or Trivium.

First up : Train your throat every day

Like scream half an hour or something

Second : Adjust the tones, like you don't squeek out of it suddenly, that would be gay.

Third : Now you need to learn to scream softly, almost whispering, but its not excatly whispering. you know what i mean ?

Fourth : r0ck out.

i think this about covers it. you might want to google it.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on October 25, 2005, 07:43:45 am
I've found a good song for me to scream along to for practice, and I practiced screaming along w/ it a little bit today.  I'm sorta starting to learn how to control my vocal chords to get them to produce the sound I want.  I've also discovered something else: when I said in an earlier post that I have been told that a scream comes from the gut, that is a tried and true method.  What I did, and what I will most likely continue to do, is to, when I scream, contract my stomach muscles, to help force out air.  This helped A LOT with my screaming practice today.

I don't understand something you said, RadiczOr: you said to learn to scream softly.  How does that help?  I'm not saying it hinders anything, but I don't see how that helps, either.  Could you explain that, please?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ehsivar on October 26, 2005, 01:55:29 am
Interesting..I might just try this out. I'm one of two vocalists in my band, so this is quite awesome.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on October 26, 2005, 05:38:53 am
What kind of music does your band play?  Screaming seems to go better w/ some rock, if you can make it work, and metal.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on October 26, 2005, 03:45:02 pm
I don't understand something you said, RadiczOr: you said to learn to scream softly.  How does that help?  I'm not saying it hinders anything, but I don't see how that helps, either.  Could you explain that, please?  Thanks!

Control.

:)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on October 26, 2005, 04:41:17 pm
Ah.  I see.  Thanks! :D
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ankle on November 09, 2005, 05:50:55 am
Came across this:
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Been listening to death metal for years...still have NO idea how to death growl.

are there any techniques?
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Well, if you are a tenor you are probably better off not even trying, but if you are a basso or baritone you might have a shoot. If you are a tenor you can try singing like Chuck Schuldiner or Alexi Laiho, though.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Xeero on November 20, 2005, 12:04:17 pm
Remember that if it starts to hurt to scream, stop.  I used to do it and after doing it for a while my voice would be shot - granted I had no singing experience at all so it was pretty much random wailing with my voice.

There are techniques out there to make it so you don't ruin your vocal chords, but I don't know what they are.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on December 25, 2005, 05:04:36 pm
It's been a while since I posted this topic, so I thought I'd update on my progress. I have been screaming as I feel like it, which is not necessarily every day. However, I have noticed that when I first started, my throat would start to hurt after only a little while, at which point I'd stop at least until it had been feeling fine for a good while (as in, several hours, at the very least).

Now, I can practice, and my voice doesn't get shot nearly as quickly. I'd say I can go for at least 3 to 4 times the length I was able to when starting out, and my throat will usually feel better after less time than when I first started. I've also noticed that some days, my throat will get dry quicker than on others, and some days, it never gets dry. Is there a reason for this?

Also, I have yet to be able to hold a scream for a prolonged period of time. I CAN hold it for a decent amount of time, but then I am in need of breath. Is there any special way I should practice to be able to hold a scream for, say, at least 10 to 15 seconds? Any special way of releasing breath? And I'm not talking about a death grunt. I'm talking about an actual higher pitched scream, in which more air is released. Does this ability just come from practicing holding a scream? Or some other way of training my voice?

Thanks for the advice everybody! Keep it coming! :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on December 25, 2005, 07:51:20 pm
www.myspace.com/noyalty

check em out, its a band i preformed a lot of shows with, and good friends of me.

maybe Daniel - Screamer can give you some pointers.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: BeautifulNightmare on December 26, 2005, 02:23:16 pm
Yup! In Flames rock at it as somone said earlier!

But, as for advice, I haven't heard much.. but what I have heard is to not do anything different or special for your voice at all... as stupid as this sounds, looking after it has the opposite effect because your voice will be less prepared when you start to use it (going from being well looked after from being forced to shout/scream/grunt) resulting in your sound not being as good as it could be. (Btw, I'm not saying grate your throat with a cheese grater.  :P) I heard the best thing to do was just to go about your normal daily life and build on it gradually. However, if your throat does start to hurt then give it a rest for a day or two.. if you build on it over a period of time though and just do whatever your body's used to, it shouldn't cause too many problems  :) I hope this helps!!
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on December 27, 2005, 04:11:21 am
Nightmare, where is your christmas hat ?!!
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: BeautifulNightmare on December 27, 2005, 10:48:14 am
Nightmare, where is your christmas hat ?!!

I can't really add one to my avatar... The hat would be a notch too low! Unless I put it in a random place.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: MDX on December 27, 2005, 03:31:00 pm
Yup! In Flames rock at it as somone said earlier!

But, as for advice, I haven't heard much.. but what I have heard is to not do anything different or special for your voice at all... as stupid as this sounds, looking after it has the opposite effect because your voice will be less prepared when you start to use it (going from being well looked after from being forced to shout/scream/grunt) resulting in your sound not being as good as it could be. (Btw, I'm not saying grate your throat with a cheese grater.  :P) I heard the best thing to do was just to go about your normal daily life and build on it gradually. However, if your throat does start to hurt then give it a rest for a day or two.. if you build on it over a period of time though and just do whatever your body's used to, it shouldn't cause too many problems  :) I hope this helps!!

The lady has a christmas face, that is all that is needed.

Quickly, to the MDXMADEATHREADANDPOSTEDSTUFFINIT..MOBILE!
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on December 28, 2005, 01:48:37 am
I really looked into this one, listen to this interview.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5043994 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5043994)

Then http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054856511 (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054856511)

I really want to figure out how to do it properly, and not to damage my vocal chords.

If you have the money, look for the dvd called : The Zen Of Screaming.

Hmm.. anyway, ill be back later with another update if i find anything out.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on December 28, 2005, 03:36:12 am
Wow! :o Thanks so much for those links, Rad! I didn't even know there was a DVD about learning to scream w/o hurting your vocal chords. Now I just need to get it. :)

Once again, thank you sooo much!!!
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: chompy on December 28, 2005, 04:04:36 am
Cool, bookmarked for future reference.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on December 28, 2005, 07:48:05 am
I ordered the DVD lol. It should prove to be very enlightening, once I get it.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on December 28, 2005, 07:59:20 pm
Woot !! once you have it, i want to download it haha or something..

Can you send a copy to my house :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Baltech on January 09, 2006, 01:54:05 pm
It's been a while since I posted this topic, so I thought I'd update on my progress. I have been screaming as I feel like it, which is not necessarily every day. However, I have noticed that when I first started, my throat would start to hurt after only a little while, at which point I'd stop at least until it had been feeling fine for a good while (as in, several hours, at the very least).

Now, I can practice, and my voice doesn't get shot nearly as quickly. I'd say I can go for at least 3 to 4 times the length I was able to when starting out, and my throat will usually feel better after less time than when I first started. I've also noticed that some days, my throat will get dry quicker than on others, and some days, it never gets dry. Is there a reason for this?

Also, I have yet to be able to hold a scream for a prolonged period of time. I CAN hold it for a decent amount of time, but then I am in need of breath. Is there any special way I should practice to be able to hold a scream for, say, at least 10 to 15 seconds? Any special way of releasing breath? And I'm not talking about a death grunt. I'm talking about an actual higher pitched scream, in which more air is released. Does this ability just come from practicing holding a scream? Or some other way of training my voice?

Thanks for the advice everybody! Keep it coming! :)

The only thing I can tell you about holding a scream longer would be to breath really deeply. Don't get me wrong but most people don't nearly fill their lung to full capacity. Don't breath with your chest, but with your belly. While breathing in, put your belly out. This will strech the diaphragm downwards thereby widening the volume of your lung. You will have to parctice this because you have to do this conciously in the beginning.

Another thing, if you didn't already realize it: Don't scream at the top of your voice all the time. You won't need to because you'll use a microphone anyway. It's more useful to... sort of put a little of preassure on your breath and push it through your vocal chords. At least, that's what I do. Also, only use a pitch which you are comfortable with. If you try to push your voice up too high, you'll get sore too fast (I myself can't scream very long or powerful, but 'brutal death grunts' are no problem at all).

And the most important thing of all: Don't try to emulate another singer. You HAVE to finde your own voice and pitch, where you'll feel comfortable.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Armakuni on January 12, 2006, 03:12:38 pm
all i can say is..if it hurts you are doing it wrong and that means you not only hurt yourself but also those listening :) yes i can say this cause i am experienced, we did a medley (or whatever its called) of "bards song", "everytime i die" and the HIM version of wicked game

 our bass stopped working in the middle of the last song so we had to change amplifiers, so we decided to take away the microphone one, and boy did that suck :P ( last song was clean vocals...yeah i own ) so i just headbanged 2mins on stage :P

thats my story, have a nice read -.-

Bards song = blind guardian
Everytime i die = children of bodom

just incase someone didnt know :O

correct misspellings/grammar and choke on my hairy balls
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 04, 2006, 06:58:05 am
Once again, it's been a while since I've given an update on my progress lol. The Zen of Screaming has proven to be VERY VERY VERY helpful. I can now scream and it doesn't hurt one bit. If it does, then I just stop, and go at it at a slightly lowered volume (the volume you scream at makes a HUGE difference in whether there is even the potential to damage your vox, even if it is raised or lowered only a small amount).

And, as someone has said in a previous post, you'll have a mic, so you don't need to scream at the top of your voice. Rad, sorry dude, but I really don't feel comfortable with the idea of sending you a burn of it or something. But if you haven't already, and you want to scream without damaging your vox, I'd strongly recommend that you order this DVD. It has helped me sooooo much.

And after watching the DVD, I agree with Eldritch and say that if it hurts then you're doing it wrong, and that there is some other way you can get the effect you're looking for without damaging your vox. By the way, do you have this DVD, Eldritch?
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on February 04, 2006, 08:38:29 pm
Oh well, too bad :)
I think i might order it for myself..
Im really glad i could be of any help and you actually listened and bought the dvd !

Good luck with the progress ^^
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 04, 2006, 09:36:01 pm
Yes, thank you for finding that and sharing it. :) If you get the DVD, lemme know what you think of it and all that.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Armakuni on February 07, 2006, 01:14:17 pm
No i dont possess that dvd :) experience ftw ^^
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 08, 2006, 08:19:41 am
Awesome. How long have you been practicing? And I've seen this so many times, and now it's driving me crazy lol, but what does ftw mean? I'm stumped. ???
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: lindarthebard on February 08, 2006, 08:58:36 am
Awesome. How long have you been practicing? And I've seen this so many times, and now it's driving me crazy lol, but what does ftw mean? I'm stumped. ???

...for the win.

example: Lindar ftw!

In reverence to that Gods awful game show "Hollywood Squares".

((btw: I live about 3 hours from Hollywood. It's just like any other city, except there are people there that are, for some reason, treated differently because of their career path... I never understood this fascination with those kind of people. There's a metro district, a gay district, a shithole district full of whores and coke dealers, and various other places you can find in any other city.)) *queue the "The More You Know!" clip*
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 08, 2006, 09:52:31 am
Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. :D
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Armakuni on February 08, 2006, 11:22:41 am
Well its hard to say actually, i started around 3-4 years ago...cant really say that ive been intense training or anything, but i guess i use the time i get to train well :P and also the first time i (EVER) was infront of people that i knew very well ^^ and its a weird feeling, cause im one of those "silent" people i just dont open my mouth all the time and most people that know me say im funny :P but after that first time, my friends looked at my in another way i think... they were like "omg we just found satan" ;)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 08, 2006, 12:03:11 pm
Oh, me too! And it was the same for me, except it was more my family than my friends lol. And I practice it so frequently now that it's (sort of) become commonplace. ;D
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 08, 2006, 12:06:06 pm
Oops...I forgot to say how long I've been going at it. :P It really hasn't been long at all, just sometime about a few weeks before winter break (my winter break started December 20 or thereabouts btw). So it really has been very recently that I've taken a serious interest in singing and screaming.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on February 08, 2006, 10:20:01 pm
Uh, i find it hard to scream aloud.
What about you guys, and tips please :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 08, 2006, 11:26:38 pm
What exactly do you mean by "scream aloud"? Do you mean, in the presence of other people? If that is the case, I think it's really just a matter of overcoming a certain level of discomfort that you're going to experience when you scream where people can hear you. For this, all I can recommend is to say to your self "screw it" and just start screaming whatever it is you're wanting to scream, regardless of whether you feel comfortable doing it or not.

Overcoming this discomfort is a HUGE part of screaming where people can hear you, because when you are self-conscious, you hold back, which holds back on what goes through your vocal cords, which may after some time have some bad effects. If you're at home, go in your room, shut the door, and practice, and if anyone bothers you, laugh about it with them. This will also help ease the tension.

True story: the first time anyone heard me, it was my step-brother; he had just come home from school, and he came upstairs and asked me "was that you?! I thought it was Satan!!"; that's something we just laugh about, then and now.

If that all seems jumbled, sorry, I wanted to get all my thoughts out before they escaped me. :P If you want me to, I'll try to condense it all. :) And if what you're thinking of is something completely different, enlighten me as to what it is, and I may still be able to help ya. :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: lindarthebard on February 13, 2006, 10:58:03 pm
Okay, here's my thing.

I just started getting interested in vocals. I'm learning to expand my vocal range (I choke on an F1 and squeek on an A2. The G2 I'm working on, and I can hit it, but sometimes I fumble) and sing whilst playing my acoustic guitar, but the problem is when I'm playing rock music, I'm expected to, melodically and nonmelodically, shout/scream. A good example was that we were doing a cover of FLAK - Blitzkrieg and I was doing Robert's part. During most of it he's shouting, which is the kind of shouting/screaming I'm looking to do (like that kind of shouting, and the only type of screaming I can think of is from Slipknot. Not deathmetal, but like high tenor low alto), but the problem is that on the part "counter-T's are everywhere and that is why I keep the action clear" I have to sing. Normally I can sing that no problem, but the thing is that I've been shouting, and after shouting like that, my voice cracks and wavers.

So my first question is this: How do you transition from shouting to singing?
My second question is this: How does one shout in the range I've described without getting hoarse?
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on February 14, 2006, 12:49:26 am
Hmm...this may help you.

"There is a certain way to scream that when done, will not damage the vocal folds even the slightest bit, and you can scream and not hurt yourself. I will explain this, but first I'll need to explain some other concepts that you may or may not be familiar with.

The first thing is that you NEVER want to scream from your throat, putting pressure and strain on your vocal chords. You want to scream from your gut. Try this: bark like a dog. No, seriously. Do it. Feel the way your diaphragm and other abdominal muscles contract. That is one thing that you want to make natural, and not screaming from your throat. Another thing is the way you take in air. You want to breathe in so that your diaphragm expands downward, spreading out the ribcage, which allows for a larger intake of air.

You do not want your chest to move. This is because when you take a big gulp of air into your chest, you can't do a whole lot of anything besides let it out in a big burst of air. In the eastern internal martial arts there is something VERY similar to this, if not exactly the same (except for the intent of the breath) called abdominal breathing. The reason you want to breathe in the fashion I just described is because the abdominal muscles have a slower rate of release, therefore you can do more with the air you intake. Know that you don't need to take in more air, you just need to learn how to wisely use the air that you have."

I realized that when I scream as described above, I can transition from screaming to singing and back again easily without any problems. As for not getting hoarse, well, following the advice I posted will hopefully help you with that. Good luck! :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on February 15, 2006, 12:28:37 am
Yo yo yo yo

I've been screaming for a while now, i'm aiming at the poison the well sound / Killing The Dream (www.myspace.com/killingthedream)

Check Ktd, they fucking rock.

Does someone know Unearth ?

Their pitch also rocks..

Also, still its like hard to practice without looking like a complete moron.

Ideas ?


Now im off to watch the Zen of Screaming.

Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Niccho on February 15, 2006, 12:34:16 am
Also, still its like hard to practice without looking like a complete moron.

Ideas ?


Try doing it in a big hall full of people. Oh yes the people of evil DOOM!
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on February 15, 2006, 12:43:44 am
Also, still its like hard to practice without looking like a complete moron.

Ideas ?


Try doing it in a big hall full of people. Oh yes the people of evil DOOM!
As in a gig, its cool, and then again its cool at rehearsal. But like, in my room its.. akward.


Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Niccho on February 15, 2006, 12:48:27 am
Also, still its like hard to practice without looking like a complete moron.

Ideas ?


Try doing it in a big hall full of people. Oh yes the people of evil DOOM!
As in a gig, its cool, and then again its cool at rehearsal. But like, in my room its.. akward.




yeah but how about just you alone(practising) in a huge hall with evil people of hell who listen to pop?
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: lindarthebard on February 18, 2006, 10:53:39 am
Recommend songs to which a high tenor can practice his low notes/screaming?
I'd prefer it to be something to which I could also play guitar/bass as to not feel a complete fool just randomly shouting.
I'd like to be able to do what the singer from Unearth can do. I just have to work on getting lower than a G1.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on February 18, 2006, 06:05:24 pm
Gotdamnit, i was just about to tell you how awesome unearth is .. =[

Failure, Endless, those two have kick ass vocals.

For higher pitched you should check Letter Kills - Lights Out, if you can find it.

I don't like low pitched screams, so i don't know any bands that do it.

Avenged sevenfold has some wicked screams aswell.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: lindarthebard on February 19, 2006, 11:43:17 am
Gotdamnit, i was just about to tell you how awesome unearth is .. =[

Failure, Endless, those two have kick ass vocals.

For higher pitched you should check Letter Kills - Lights Out, if you can find it.

I don't like low pitched screams, so i don't know any bands that do it.

Avenged sevenfold has some wicked screams aswell.


Truly they do.

How is Unearth not one of the most popular bands EVAR? They're heavy metal, and yet they actually know what the fuck they're playing down to the fucking scale degree. Let's see... two 7 string guitars, one 5 string bass, drum kit with double bass kick, screaming guy. At LEAST one of these people is a music major. It's just amazing.

Now I need lyrics and the ability to practice without embarassing myself in front of myself. (I get self concious about those things, even in private)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on February 24, 2006, 05:26:59 am
Gotdamnit, i was just about to tell you how awesome unearth is .. =[

Failure, Endless, those two have kick ass vocals.

For higher pitched you should check Letter Kills - Lights Out, if you can find it.

I don't like low pitched screams, so i don't know any bands that do it.

Avenged sevenfold has some wicked screams aswell.


Truly they do.

How is Unearth not one of the most popular bands EVAR?
Iono.

And about the embarrassement, beer helps !

No im not fucking around, just one sip of beer, for the taste and the feeling.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Armakuni on February 24, 2006, 10:16:34 pm
aim for kataklysm vocals ^^
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on March 21, 2006, 10:08:02 am
Hey, I found an old guitar recording on my computer (but not TOO old :P) and decided to put vocals to it. So I figured I'd post it as a sort of "update" on how my singing/screaming is coming along. I do realize that both can still be dramatically improved through practice, which is what I've been doing. The song is more of a rock song, but the vocals (at least the screaming/growling) came out as metal-style vocals. ??? Eh, whatever, this is more for an update than something I'd post in the "Your Own Projects" topic, so I don't care. :P

Combustible Illusions (http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd6/127231/MP3s/Combustible%20Illusions.mp3)

You may want the lyrics as well. ;D

Fantastical are our visions of tomorrow,
That we dream up to fill the void
Of our lacking knowledge of later times.
Little do we know that what
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An activity to pass the time.

Dreams can be lost, can be found,
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Envision what you will,
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And become the best, become the very best.

Excel, dominate, come out on top
At whatever you do.
Just know that it’ll take time and
Effort to get through.

Dreams can be lost, can be found,
And can combust into flames.
When the fire dies,
There is nothing but the
Ashes of your imagined fame.

The fire dies down……
Ashes remain……
The ashes of......
The ashes…
Of your imagined fame.
Your imagined fame.

Dreams can be lost, can be found,
And can combust into flames.
When the fire dies,
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Don’t let your dreams
Combust into flames. 
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on March 21, 2006, 07:08:52 pm
I like the clean guitar bit in the intro..
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ehsivar on March 23, 2006, 06:09:39 am
Quote from: Fireintheeyesfan
What kind of music does your band play?  Screaming seems to go better w/ some rock, if you can make it work, and metal.

I know that was an uber long time ago, but I wasn't here...xD

Our band plays some metalcore, prog metal, and melodeath. Our influences are somewhere along the lines of Pain of Salvation, Opeth, Dream Theater, Arch Enemy, Dredg, and Between The Buried and Me.

Aside from metal, we also do some punk and hardcore, taking from GBH, Suicidal Tendencies, Bad Brains, etc..
 
 
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on March 27, 2006, 02:03:07 am
Rad, I'm listening to Killing the Dream, and I like the music, but it sounds like their vocalist is well, it sounds like when he screams, it hurts. I dunno if it's just the way he screams or what, but it sounds like it hurts.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on April 08, 2006, 01:40:31 pm
Lately I've been trying to improve how long I can hold a scream. I'm not sure what affects that, exactly, but I have an idea: how fast you let air out of your lungs. Meaning that, if I wanted to hold a scream for 7+ seconds, would I then need to be very controlled about how much air I let out? I'm assuming so. And I also realized yesterday that I was going at it with a bit too much force. So I got rid of that.

A specific situation to show what I'm talking about is that yesterday I was singing/screaming along to Start With the Arms by Fire in the Eyes of the City. And sometime b/t 20 seconds and 30 seconds, the singer holds a scream for 5 to 6 seconds (I know that's accurate b/c I timed it :P). Anyways, when I tried to go along with that, I got to about 3 seconds and was out of air in my lungs. This basically means that currently I can't hold a scream to save my life, but I think the potential is there, from experimenting with controlling how much air I let flow out of my lungs.

It boggles my mind, also, how so many singers in metal bands can hold a scream for forever (not literally). I'm thinking it's the same as what I mentioned above: breath control. Because I sang the phrase, rather than screamed it, and I held the word that FITEOTC's singer holds for about 5 to 6 seconds (I held it for about 13 seconds when I sang it), and I didn't even have a full breath of air then. And I can scream without using much more air than I use to sing, but when I get to the part in the song I'm talking about, it's like my body automatically forces more air out than is needed.

Rad--You know in The Zen of Screaming when the vocalist from Lamb of God says something like "Kids ask me all the time, 'how do you do that?' and I just tell them, 'don't push'." I think this is what he was talking about: being able to control to a certain degree the amount of air you let out of your lungs.

If anyone has any advice on how to hold a scream for longer periods of time, besides what I've speculated on just now, or comments on what I just talked about, could you share it? Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ashen on April 25, 2006, 10:20:14 pm
^You don't need to force it, and you don't need to get it loud.
A tiny bit louder than speaking, but not that much.

What works for me:
Is to set the tone first, and then apply growl.
*there is no actual delay, it's mostly a way of thinking.
Like that, I'm able to pull a Mikael Ã…kerfeldt-kind-of-growl, for up 30 sec.
Note that my lung capacity isn't something to brag about  ;)

The important thing to remember: No Tension.
If you tense up, then in order to create a full-bodied growl,
you apply more pressure to your throat,
and bad stuff happens.

And keep a glass of (not cold and not too warm) water nearby.
It comes in handy.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 25, 2006, 11:18:10 pm
No tension, i know that, but its like fucking hard !! :)

I still don't know how to produce the right sound i think..

And i don't know how i sound.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: finaleclipse06 on April 27, 2006, 03:20:25 am
I've been able to figure out how to hold a scream for long periods of time. It happened quite by accident. I was driving, and listening to In Flames, and I tried to imitate their vocalist, for practice y'know. What happened rather was that I was able to hold the scream for, well, probably about 3 to 4 times as long as I could hold a scream previously. So, I tried to figure out how to replicate what I did. And eventually I got it. I'll probably post something in the future, once I have it down better, but for now, I'm content with just working on my vocals, rather than feeling a need to post something immediately.

Rad, I'd say record yourself singing/screaming and listen to it. It'll actually sound different when you hear it from your computer/whatever you record into. That's because the sound reverberates in your skull (or something). It comes out sounding the same, but because of the reverberation, it sounds different to you than to someone else who is listening. Try it and see what you sound like. It took me a little while to figure out how to produce the gravelly sounding voice that is a scream. So, just practice, and you'll get better. But you need to practice consistently. But I'm sure you already knew that, seeing as you're the singer in your band. Good luck, dude! :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 27, 2006, 04:02:32 am
Thanks !

Ima go that, then :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ashen on April 29, 2006, 03:47:46 pm
That's just awfully true.
It sounds so much better in my head xD
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 30, 2006, 06:05:58 pm
That's just awfully true.
It sounds so much better in my head xD
And much more awful irl :)

But yeah, somehow you will produce the sound you want one day.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ashen on April 30, 2006, 07:13:57 pm
^That's what I meant.
The resounding skull deceives^^
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Cthulus Pet on May 08, 2006, 09:02:12 pm
meh...The crazy deathmetal kids at my school want me to do screaming for them. I talked to some fellow musicians at school, they said to bring it up from the gut...erm ive tried to "bring it up from the gut" I failed... wtf do they want... how does one do the gutural shindig.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Cloud on May 08, 2006, 09:21:44 pm
Alright, I haven't read any of the topic, but I'll throw my two cents in about doing death growls.

Rule #1 - Learning proper breathing is THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE.  If you do not know how to breath properly, then forget about growling (and singing in general).  Good posture, spaced breathing, deep breathing, etc.  All of these things are important.  Phrasing, vowel placement and projection...it's all really fucking important.  If you can't breathe properly, then chances are that you are going to fuck up your vocal chords if you growl excessively.

Rule #2 - Bring them from your stomach/diaphragm, not from the back of your neck.  Not only will you get a cleaner growl, you won't damage your vocal chords.  It's okay if there's some resonation in your vocal chords, but overall, you want the sound to be air.  This will give you a deep, dark growl that is dependent solely on your own voice.

Rule #3 - For higher, raspier "growls" (nigh screaming; think Children Of Bodom, Norther, etc.), the sound comes higher in your trachea, and since they are lighter than actual growls, they will not hurt your vocal chords.

Rule #4 - Stay hydrated!  Drink lots of room temperature water.  Not only is it easier and more soothing on your vocal chords (than, say, cold water or really warm water), it will help you keep a clean air passage.

Rule #5 - Don't over-hydrate.  I cannot stress this enough.  As a vocalist myself, over-hydrating is dangerous, because your vocal passage becomes too clean.  So, while you think that having a clean passage helps you hit all the notes that you want, a little mucus in the back of your throat is a GOOD thing.  An easy way to build it up is to salivate, then swallow.  This will also help you achieve a harsher growl while still being able to protect your vocal chords.

These are really the most important things I can think of that any growler (or, hell, even any vocalist) should remember.

Hope this helps. O:
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Drakonis on June 02, 2006, 07:33:32 pm
This may be entirely random, but fact: if you plan to ever perform with a metal band and you do screams or growls, you're going to get zits.

*waits for the initial shock and confusion to wear off*.

My vocalist in the band im currently just kinda jamming with has experience with both and having talked to him and other local bands in the area, I've noticed something that he was able to put fact on for me. When you use a microphone and you're doing styles like that, you tend to push the microphone against one of your lips so you can cover the entire mic with your hand and therefor produce a 'higher volume' or more 'forceful' scream/growl without actually expending as much air. It's simply the law of sound, cover your mouth and the mic and you get a fuller effect with less effort. If you hold it away from you, you have to scream louder to get a fuller sound and therefor tire quicker, run out of breath quicker, and eventually pass out and explode. Or maybe not.

Now, with all this being said, why would that cause zits? Firstly, you're on stage. Lights are hot. You're screaming, so you're extending alot of body energy (Anyone that's done it knows this is true, its an exhausting art). Now, with all that going on you're screaming into a cup you've created with your hands around a mic. Thus high humidity inside, as breath is hot and wet and you're going to start sweating on top of that. Combine that with rubbing a microphone against your hot, wet, sweaty lips and... pimples on the upper lip galore!

So, if you're a freak about that kinda stuff be sure to wash up nicely and maybe use some skin care. The singer I was speaking about earlier had it bad til he started actually actively making a point to take care of it. Now hes back to looking scary minus the pimples on his upper lip. Hah hah :P
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on June 03, 2006, 12:32:36 am
It are the small tips that matter :D
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Cloud on June 03, 2006, 12:14:33 pm
Hahaha.

You're absolutely right.  I didn't even think of that.

Luckily for me, I'm compulsive about my equipment, so I clean it after using it and am very compulsive about my complexion, so I'll wash my face several times a day.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: EizN on June 05, 2006, 03:18:26 am
I read a post in another topic somewhere on this forum (I think it was the topic where people have been putting up songs they have composed) about someone trying to learn how to do screaming vocals.  I thought I'd start a topic specifically for people to post in if they: 1) have experience doing screaming vocals, and want to help out those of us who don't but who want to learn (like me); 2) don't have any experience, and want to learn, or have some, but want to get better at it.

I've been trying it out when I'm in the mood, though I can't say I've gotten much of anywhere.  I've been told that when you scream, it comes from your gut, so I'm trying to work with that.  I've also been told that you shouldn't attempt to the point where your throat is very sore, because that could mess up your vocal chords VERY badly.  If your throat starts getting sore, I'd say to stop for the day and give your vocal chords a rest.  If it's sore in the morning, don't practice that day. 

That's what I know.  If anybody has anything else to share, or anything to say about what advice I have recieved, share your wisdom. 

it comes from your gut that is true, the throat sucks for growls, a bit more useful for high pitched roars (like children of bodom) but still stinks. the important thing to remeber is that you dont ahve to be fucked up to do screams, you have to do normal voice practise like all clean singers do. sing major scales and so on. just to make sure there is enough endurance in your vocal chords, id say only scream 1-2 times a weak maybe 3. and never let yourself go as far as to the point where your talking voice is altered cause of throat pain.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Drakonis on June 05, 2006, 07:20:53 pm
Can I just make an observation to FireintheeyesFan?

I mean this in the most serious, not sarcastic way I can possibly say this... You MIGHT want to edit your avatar. I swear, I honestly 100% truthfully thought it said "....Homo".

I'm just saying, you may wanna sharpen the E up a bit :P
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on June 05, 2006, 07:47:22 pm
Yeah, i read home, but i though the mic was a beer bottle.

So that'd be home for you then in an alcy way.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on November 22, 2006, 07:08:37 pm
So, any news about this ?

I still don't know how to do it actually, i can grunt though, but when i'm trying to go higher pitched, my throat tenses up and stops to make noise.

Perhaps grunting and screaming require 2 different techniques, screaming is basically singing, but yeah screaming your tones, and adding fire to the sound.

Too bad you gotta scream really loud to practise it. ;)

Anyone has ideas how to practise it ?
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: ch3t on January 06, 2007, 11:06:37 pm
I can do Carcass-style shouty screams, but I can't go for very long at all and get out of breath quite easily. I like to think I have a pretty brutal inward scream too, if anyone's into that.

I don't know if you guys have heard of inward screams, but they allow you to get a much huger range (especially on the low, gutteral style side) and they don't hurt your throat or take too much effort at all. Check out some Job for A Cowboy and Bring Me The Horizon (mainly JfAC), and listen to the reeeally deep death vocals they've got going.

My favourite drink for screaming is a thick chocolate milkshake. The viscosity really soothes your throat.

Also, if you want your screams to instantly sound better, cup your hands around the mic to create a little chamber for sound to echo around, whilst leaving a hole at the top for you to scream into. It's a bit of a cheap technique but it's like an easy ticket to sounding brutall-er.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Fallout on January 07, 2007, 04:51:02 pm
inward scream

Tenacious D - Inward Singing

D:
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: ch3t on January 07, 2007, 04:52:41 pm
inward scream

Tenacious D - Inward Singing

D:

Effectively it's the same thing, you just bring the pitch down a lot and the growl comes naturally to it.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Fallout on January 07, 2007, 04:55:19 pm
inward scream

Tenacious D - Inward Singing

D:

Effectively it's the same thing, you just bring the pitch down a lot and the growl comes naturally to it.

Cant do it.

Reeaaally cant do it :P
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ayeron on January 08, 2007, 03:27:01 pm
what's also nice to watch is Zen of Screaming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_of_Screaming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_of_Screaming)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on January 08, 2007, 09:18:15 pm
Ayeron, read through the thread before posting ;)
It was already mentioned a couple of times.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: ch3t on January 20, 2007, 09:34:22 pm
Some nice songs to check out for aggressive/screamy vocals:
A Dozen furies- The Everlasting Grudge
All Shall Perish- We Hold These Truths
As I Lay Dying- Beginning
Atreyu- My fork In The Road (Your Knife In My Back)
Avenged Sevenfold- Remenissions
The Berzerker- No One Wins
The Black Dahlia Murder- I'm Charming
Bleeding Through- Love In Slow Motion
Bring Me The Horizon- Tell Slater Not To Wash His Dick
Cradle Of filth- Desire In Violent Overture
Drop Dead, Gorgeous- Dressed for friend Requests
Hatebreed- A Lesson Lived Is A Lesson Learnt
Inflames- Take This Life
Job for A Cowboy- Knee Deep
Legion of The Damned- Into The Eye of The Storm

Norma Jean- Memphis Will Be Laid To Waste
Send More Paramedics- Scapegoat
Shadowsfall- The Power of I and I
Throwdown- forever


There's a variety of styles and musical genres here. I dunno, maybe they'll give you some inspiration or ideas. Recommended downloads are in bold.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on January 21, 2007, 02:43:45 pm
All Shall Perish- We Hold These Truths

Awesome track, that guy is most probably the best dynamic screamer from all the bands listed there.

Bleeding through not bold ? What's the deal.. I'd recommend 'on wings of lead' though.

I like your music taste, its almost my mp3 player on random, haha.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: ch3t on March 10, 2007, 06:22:48 pm
If you like piggy squeals, check out www.myspace.com/jobforacowboy and listen to 'Entombment for a machine'. BrrreeeEEET!
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: dialupdaemon on April 12, 2007, 12:29:28 am
Inward screaming is an easy and effective way of making some pretty sick growling and pig squeal vocals but from what I've heard its best not to get into it. Supposedly with prolonged use you're almost guaranteed to fuck over your throat.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Fallout on April 12, 2007, 12:31:41 am
If you like piggy squeals, check out www.myspace.com/jobforacowboy and listen to 'Entombment for a machine'. BrrreeeEEET!

Heh. Awesome, JFAC added me on myspace just the other week.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: dialupdaemon on April 13, 2007, 04:22:37 am
So does anyone have experience doing Opeth style growling? I'm a lot more interested in that than higher ranged screams. Just sounds so much damn cooler in my opinion.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 13, 2007, 11:07:09 am
Personally i like some variation, so its cool to see a band wich uses both :)

I can do the low thingies though, but the higher ones are un doable
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: dialupdaemon on April 13, 2007, 09:49:06 pm
Would you be able to post a clip of your lower growls and maybe explain your technique Rad?
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 14, 2007, 01:21:33 am
Uhm. Sure ?

Do you mean you can't do them yourself ?

They're so easy !?
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: dialupdaemon on April 14, 2007, 01:27:12 am
I can do them decently but I'm trying to develop a technique that doesn't hurt my throat as much. I'd also like to know how yours sound in relation to what I'm trying to be able to do.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Jack Lupino on April 15, 2007, 01:05:09 am
I can do them decently but I'm trying to develop a technique that doesn't hurt my throat as much. I'd also like to know how yours sound in relation to what I'm trying to be able to do.
Cool, i'll try to help you out, but now im gonna get wasted first.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: dialupdaemon on April 15, 2007, 11:17:33 pm
Have you ever listened to anything by Opeth? Its a pretty unique growling style.
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: dialupdaemon on April 18, 2007, 04:49:48 am
Alright here is an attempt by me to imitate the growling at the beginning of the song Ghost of Perdition by Opeth.

http://www.mediafire.com/?4a4n4fjdizm (http://www.mediafire.com/?4a4n4fjdizm)

All honest feedback would be appreciated!  :)
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: Ant on April 18, 2007, 06:16:05 am
I actually liked it :D

i'm not a huge fan of screaming but that's good screaming right there

and a tip to stop it hurting so much...smoke 40 cigarettes a day for 20 years :P
Title: Re: Screaming Vocals: For Anyone Who's Interested or Experienced
Post by: dialupdaemon on April 18, 2007, 06:22:32 am
Thanks for the feedback and advice but I'd rather try a technique that'll have me comfortably doing harsh vocals in a tad less than 20 years  :P
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