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Title: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Palicgofueniczekt on April 26, 2006, 02:13:12 am
After a few bouts of misscommunication and software problems, my copy has finally arrived.

However, based on other's reactions, I do not know if I should even listen to it.  Something as awesome as this(based on the opinions of others) should be respected and feared, by not listening to it as often as possible(or at all, even).

Well, it is encoded and safely returned to its case.  Now I am off to not listen to it, while basking in its presence.

***Edit:  Just listened to it once through...  Meh.  Was not impressed, could take a few listenings to kick in though.  Compressed it to Ogg Vorbis at 224kbps, sounded kind of dirty. Started listening on my normal PC speakers which seemed fine for other things, switched to headphones, helped a bit(I think).  Some parts feel over/under mixed.  I might also be in unapparent emotional state.  Oh well, hope it gets better with age.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on April 26, 2006, 07:35:59 am
Mine Own Redeemer just arrived thread.

*thread v. 16.8
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: chompy on April 26, 2006, 10:20:10 am
woooo I just got mine in the mail too with a tshirt in it... yet to try it on as been too busy listening to the CD.

As with all of the stuff I've heard from Machiane Supremacy, I have to say I never like any of their stuff on the first listen. Especially with the DXM cd, that took at while to get to the stage where I can listen to it and think this music is really really good.

On my first listen a few I've found a few tracks that really stand out (oki kumas adventure) and a few tracks that are not (fury). I cannot understand how the bootleg version of fury sounds alot more 'fun', faster, and alot more difficult to understand what they are sayin which could be half of it.

Going for a second listen after I pick and choose tracks now. :P good stuff on Oki Kumas
Was not impressed, could take a few listenings to kick in though.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Xander on April 26, 2006, 07:39:38 pm
Got mine with my T-Shirt just under a week ago. Redeemer is teh shit. And Machinae do indeed pwn it =)

It took about one listen to fall in love with it. I was a bit put off the heavier stuff (like Elite) to start with but it's all grown on my like a bad rash which lives in my ear and feels awesome. I nearly cried at the bus stop because I Know The Reaper is so Freaking AWESOME.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: tomas on April 27, 2006, 12:48:01 pm
I cannot understand how the bootleg version of fury sounds alot more 'fun', faster, and alot more difficult to understand what they are sayin which could be half of it.
Was not impressed, could take a few listenings to kick in though.

when we play live, we always "plays" more w the songs, and always faster  ;) depend how drunk we are... ;).....
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Sirix on April 27, 2006, 06:33:27 pm
I find it so weird that so many people weren't impressed on the first listen.

my eyes rolled back and I got the most intense chills during Seventeen.  All the other songs gave me chills, but didn't make my eyes roll back quite as much  ;D
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: chompy on April 28, 2006, 09:07:49 am
I've just had a few more listens and the whole CD is growing on me like something out of style. (hey that guy bought was buying them like they were going out of style - meaning he bought alot). I really like the end tracks starting from the middle of the cd.. more specifically track 5. The whole CD feels like it has had a much better production then the DMX, no awkard bits, no screams out of nowhere.

and always faster  ;) depend how drunk we are... ;).....
Awesome.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Kobi on April 28, 2006, 11:56:52 am
I find it so weird that so many people weren't impressed on the first listen.

my eyes rolled back and I got the most intense chills during Seventeen.  All the other songs gave me chills, but didn't make my eyes roll back quite as much  ;D

Not all songs were perfectly apealing the first time I listen to it but as time progressed I've found myself not listening to my fav (I know the Reaeper) and instead beeing confused about wich I wanna listen to ^^
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Spunky on April 28, 2006, 12:18:06 pm
People won't remember, since they have no reason to, but i said i wasn't impressed with DXM when i listen to it first time around. But that really goes for all the Machinae songs i've listened to.

But thats what i like about Machinae, they are songs i have to understand to enjoy, repeated listening, hearing certain sounds that make me think "Wow thats cool!" and such.

First time i heard Redeemer, i wasn't impressed. There were one or two songs that stuck in my head. So i went back and played it again. Three plays round there was three definate songs that stood out. Since i'd hear Fury, Rise and Looking Glass before, i just kinda glanced over them.

Hate, I know the Reaper and Seventeen. I started to remember their names, then specifically look for them on my iPoD then suddenly i was listening to Hate on repeat at work.

In summary, it took 3 full runs for me to "get to know it" and now i love it :)

I prefer Redeemer to DXM because its more "my kinda music".

I do prefer the live version of Fury to the album version for reasons stated by someone else, its faster paced and heavy, just how i like it. The music that grabs you, throws you on the floor, gives you a good kick in then sits you back down again :)

Thanks for the album Machinae :)
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Bates on April 28, 2006, 09:29:38 pm
stand out (oki kumas adventure)

Still my favourite song on the album.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: SomethingApt on April 29, 2006, 01:54:35 am
my fav has to be Rogue World Asylum.

do we need an updated fav redeemer song thread? now it's had a chance to sink in...
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Bates on April 29, 2006, 04:10:52 pm
Another song survivor thread could work as well...
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: chompy on April 30, 2006, 01:11:35 am
umm... yes it could but I dont have the enough effort in organising it all and keeping it nice and clean like last time. So if someone else wants to make one by all means...

Is it just me or when I play the redeemer in my car I tend to drive that little bit faster and more aggressivley. I've stopped listening to redeemer on the drive home.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Laser Turret on April 30, 2006, 03:02:00 am
Another song survivor thread could work as well...

I agree. But should we wait just a luittle longer for the new song survivor thread?
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Zelig on April 30, 2006, 05:01:29 am
do we need an updated fav redeemer song thread? now it's had a chance to sink in...

No, not yet, I still haven't received Redeemer and my hoodie, even having ordered within a day of the shop opening. 
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Megascorcher on April 30, 2006, 08:41:25 am
I gotta say, I agree that I've never listened to a Machinae song and was impressed on the first go (except any instrumental stuff), but I feel like this album was different.  I did like a lot of songs the first time I heard it, and I found they were really catchy and kept getting stuck in my head.  That started to change though, the few songs I didn't like when I first listened to the album became my favorite songs, and now I'm left with a cd where I don't wanna hear like 70% of the tracks.   

It does sound like the production is better than DXM, and I think they sound more like they are playing as a band, and are using every instrument well.  What's missing between DXM and Redeemer, I feel, is the guitar...I don't know where it went, the only truly awesome solos are in Kaori Stomp, Hate and Rogue World Asylum (the bass on that song is pretty sweet to).  But seriously, I feel like they improved all of the aspects of their music, but dropped the one that was the best in the first place...their extreme guitar virtuosity. 

Hopefully it comes back on the next album.

Btw, Through the looking glass is still a great song...but I heard it a million times already.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Laser Turret on April 30, 2006, 11:36:25 am
I gotta say, I agree that I've never listened to a Machinae song and was impressed on the first go (except any instrumental stuff), but I feel like this album was different.  I did like a lot of songs the first time I heard it, and I found they were really catchy and kept getting stuck in my head.  That started to change though, the few songs I didn't like when I first listened to the album became my favorite songs, and now I'm left with a cd where I don't wanna hear like 70% of the tracks.   

It's very weird that, how its takes time for the best albums to get into. For example, I bought two Janne Da Arc CDs while in Japan: Arcadia and Joker. never heard a single song off them before. Got home and listened. Joker's tracks jumped out at me so much more, especially its first song, while Arcadia didn't do much, and so Joker was demmed the winner, I suppose. However, slowly but surely, I found myself listening to Arcadia more and more than I did Joker and I discovered that Arcadia had more good tracks, while Joker only had one or two outstandings.

As for Machinae's album, like many of you, I had a bit of trouble upon initial listening, but it was always good enough to listen again, and then again, and eventually you love it. (DXM was harder for me to get into than Redeemer though.) And the reason you listen again? Because even though you do'nt think its the best Machinae you heard at first, any Machinae song is miles better than anything other artist you know of.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: ПФББЧ on April 30, 2006, 12:16:29 pm
As with Insidious, i strongly dislike the first 10 or so seconds of Elite...
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: chompy on April 30, 2006, 12:54:24 pm
As with Insidious, i strongly dislike the first 10 or so seconds of Elite...
I thought my amplifier/speakers was going to die when I chucked the CD in. I turned it off quickly and did a few checks... nope everything good, turned it back on and hoped for the best. It felt like it started to clip or it just died for those first 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 01, 2006, 05:22:52 am
As with Insidious, i strongly dislike the first 10 or so seconds of Elite...

THANK you.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Zombie With Style on May 01, 2006, 06:28:13 am
As with Insidious, i strongly dislike the first 10 or so seconds of Elite...

THANK you.

wha???
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 01, 2006, 11:36:30 am
As with Insidious, i strongly dislike the first 10 or so seconds of Elite...

THANK you.

wha???

I found both beginnings of both songs unsatisfactory methods of starting an album. That's all I'm gonna say, it's only an opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, we all still love teh Machsup so party on, dudes.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Megascorcher on May 02, 2006, 06:49:47 am
That's weird, I thought DXM opened real cool.  Same with Elite actually.  I listen to a lot of harder metal though...so I guess that's why I like the opening to Elite.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Julmis on May 02, 2006, 05:53:00 pm
I like it also, actually I love it. :)
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Lysander on May 02, 2006, 05:55:35 pm
I found both beginnings of both songs unsatisfactory methods of starting an album. That's all I'm gonna say, it's only an opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, we all still love teh Machsup so party on, dudes.

I don't think insidiious was the perfect opening, but elite wasn't as bad i reckon. Couldn't imagine the singing starting any earlier in either :)
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Cthulus Pet on May 08, 2006, 08:52:20 pm
Words cant describe my love for this cd
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Tenkai Star on May 08, 2006, 09:31:13 pm
Got mine today. Damn that is a good CD. All the tracks are just brilliant.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Cloud on May 08, 2006, 09:59:42 pm
As with Insidious, i strongly dislike the first 10 or so seconds of Elite...

Alright, so I'm not the only one.  I didn't think the intro to "Insidious" was entirely appropriate as a lead-in (well, after the Japanese girl) and it was always a bit of a throw-off for me.

There's something about the choppy intro to "Elite" that doesn't quite stick with me, but the main guitar riff to the song is so awesome that I can't help but like the song as a whole.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: SpeedD on May 09, 2006, 05:32:44 am
I found both beginnings of both songs unsatisfactory methods of starting an album. That's all I'm gonna say, it's only an opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, we all still love teh Machsup so party on, dudes.

Well, I agree with you on Insidious. The first time I heard Elite, I freaked out, I shut it off, made sure my CD wasn't going to skip. I ripped it, played it again, and heard that same thing. After listening to the song 100 or so times (I'm not exagerrating.) I've grown to like the opening. I still believe it's not the best way to start an album, especially after Insidious, on DXM. But it's Machinae's choice, and I still fucking love that song. Elite, despite it's annoying opening is one of my favourite Machinae tracks. Some part of me still thinks the "did you doubt us for what came before?" part of Elite is refering to the first 10 seconds XD.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: Cloud on May 09, 2006, 06:06:54 am
Well, I agree with you on Insidious. The first time I heard Elite, I freaked out, I shut it off, made sure my CD wasn't going to skip. I ripped it, played it again, and heard that same thing. After listening to the song 100 or so times (I'm not exagerrating.) I've grown to like the opening. I still believe it's not the best way to start an album, especially after Insidious, on DXM. But it's Machinae's choice, and I still fucking love that song. Elite, despite it's annoying opening is one of my favourite Machinae tracks. Some part of me still thinks the "did you doubt us for what came before?" part of Elite is refering to the first 10 seconds XD.

You know, I could probably edit out that intro part and make it start from the awesome riff that comes right after it.  Personally, I think the track would've started out awesome with four cymbal crashes or a bit of a drum solo.  That would've been awesome.
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: the_holy_ferret on May 09, 2006, 05:15:09 pm
To throw my two cents in, I think 'Elite' works well as an opening, more on lyrical grounds than anything else. It's very self-refferential to Machinae's previous works, commenting that 'this is Redeemer' if the listener 'was not a believer' for what came before (i.e. DXM).

'Elite' is a much heavier song than what Machinae have done in the past, that caught me off guard. But I think that's what they wanted. It subverts your expectations. The album isn't as SiD orientated as some of their past stuff, but I don't think that's a bad thing, it shows the band progressing. Hypothetically, if 'Redeemer' had been rubbish, I would rather it be 'Rubbish' by experimenting than be good by simply repeating past-glories (*cough* AC/DC *cough*)

I've only just got the album, as the address it was sent to I don't live at most of the year. I was hoping it'd arrive during Easter break when I'm home from uni, but this wasn't the case. So I waited an additional month before I could here it (my bro brought it up for my b-day)! I have to say I'm thoroughly pleased with it though :) The only tune I really don't like on it is 'Hate', but out of 13 tracks (not including the instrumentals) that ain't bad at all. I generally find I like maybe 60-70% of most albums (although I have liked ALL of Machinae's downloadable tunes which essentially constitute an on-line album as it were), so 'Redeemer' really has impressed me.

I wanna write a review for it, but I can't at the minute cuz I'm writing my masters thesis on MaSu and it might intefer with my methodology  :-\ Thesis' suck...
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: PrescriptiveBarony on May 09, 2006, 05:43:10 pm
I'm writing my masters thesis on MaSu

do tell...
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: ChronoTrigger on May 09, 2006, 07:18:24 pm
I have two Redeemers and you don´t :)
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: MDX on May 09, 2006, 10:44:57 pm
BEARFOOT!
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: the_holy_ferret on May 10, 2006, 01:55:08 pm
I'm writing my masters thesis on MaSu

do tell...

Basically I'm doing a masters degree in 'Audience And Reception Studies'. Which is basically looking at how texts (be that film, music, whatever) are received and used by audiences. This can include things like marketing, but also social groups like fans etc. What I'm doing with MaSu is looking at online reception, how they've built up there reptutation essentially without backing from the bigwigs, and the area I'm really interested in is how the band have succeeded in making an original style of music successfully that doesn't fit existing genre tags. As we all know, the consensus with music often is "if it doesn't fit a tag, we can't do anything with it". Machinae proved such notions wrong, and that's what I'm really interested in.

On a less academic note, it just gives me an excuse to listen and indulge myself in all things MaSu non-stop for three months and get paid to do it ;)
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
Post by: MDX on May 13, 2006, 02:15:03 am
..not bearfoot? :(
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Post by: Bates on May 14, 2006, 07:49:08 pm
Yeah, that avatar confuses me all the time, too.
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/me cries on batemans shoulder

i miss him so  :'(
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It's ok, we all do. We all do.

/me looks at the starry night sky
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
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/me notices him staring and wipes tears

whao wuh.. whats up there bateman?..
Title: Re: Mine Own Redeemer just arrivied thread.
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I am, mdx. I am.
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Meteors. It's good to know that there's still something we can look forward to.
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