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Offline machinaeFREAK

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Politics!
« on: July 31, 2011, 11:38:40 pm »
So. I made this thread because I want to know your political views. And ofcourse to make a fun discussion. Although it might get heated. I'll start off with my own views.

I prefer communism. Or atleast, communism comes the closest to what I prefer. I like the idea of the state being in control of more things than companies, and also the idea of everyone being of the same 'worth'. Honestly I hate rich people looking down on people who haven't been lucky as them, or looking down upon ones who might have a disorder. Ofcourse I see the fault in communism (A coal miner making the same salary as an accountant), the idea is quite ideal, and it gives a (atleast for me) clear view on society. As in, first we were on different levels, now we're on the same, and we can start over again. What I also find quite naive, is the QQing of the republicans in the U.S.
If I understand correctly, Obama wants a 10% tax raise. But, ofcourse the rich republicans are against this, because, what would become of them if they can't buy a fifth car worth 50,000 dollars! Oh, terror! Don't they see that if that tax raise would only apply to the rich, the national debt would atleast be lower in an undefined period of time? It is this what annoys me. Today's political debates are nothing but vague ramblings in my eyes; Hell, if you'd see it's like in Holland: they are updating their twitter during debates, and our whole government is shit, with as a grand finale a clueless bitch who's going to cut budget on education, art and other important aspects which make our country one of the most educated ones in Europe. Why not just rip 35% of the money off from people who have more than 10 million; this would atleast give the government the budget to have them not cut budget on education and musea.

I hope I made this readable enough for you guys, if you don't understand it I will gladly give a better explanation.
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2011, 02:04:05 pm »
I see your point, yet no matter how you put it, I don't see it as reasonable. Taking away more from people who worked hard to possess what they possess (declared by you as simply "more lucky") is simply unfair. If you like the idea of everyone being of the same "worth", you shouldn't try to rip off the rich. If you want someone to aid country financially more than others do, at least give their vote higher value during the elections.

Also, the problem of communism is pretty simple - although the idea does sounds pretty nice, it's only theoretical - ideal, as you called it - and have never worked well.

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Re: Politics!
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2011, 05:09:26 pm »
I understand you seeing it as not reasonable. My cornerstone is actually the fact that there are enough rich people, who are simply unhappy with their lives no matter how much money they have. If they are so incredibly rich then they wouldn't mind that that a portion of their money is taken away, a.i. : Would you rather live a rich and fulfilling life with a salary that is about 1500,- euros, or would you rather live a bitter and unhappy life with your ice-cold wife bitching every evening?

Unfortunately that's ofcourse complete nonsense, so it's only speculation for now :)

And yep communism has never worked in a perfect way, for example, the USSR stil had a dictatorial regime which would throw you in prison if you weren't listening to their commands.
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 04:15:14 pm »
I have a mixed view that consists of the main elements.
-One of them is ecopolitics. The Earth is at the edge, we are consuming it with an unstoppable appetite. The more we gain, the more we lose. The USA has an ecological foot of 9.4, while a common african state has 0.2. What the allmighty blueberry shitload of fuck. But it's not the USA only, even in a depted country, that sold its soul to China last year, my fatherland, Hungary has two kinds of people. One is that has no money and savings, but they destroy their body via hedonism. The other is the one that inherited a company, has a great politican position (in the party Fidesz) and they just wont invest into his company, no, they build their palace and buy a new Audi for his son, that pays more at a party than ones salary per month. And this is why
-I'm leftist mostly. Mostly there are two kinds of people, the one that is using others, and the one gets used. The goverments politics changed the labor laws that you can get fired so easily you will shut up, now even your freetime is sensored, like in a dictatorship. If you don't have a job, you work for the state as communal worker, for a payment that is nearly enough to buy a hundred kg of bread per month, if you don't count the overhead. Locality is the most important, to have at least one farm at every village, and the local people could product food for the local market, so we won't lavish that many oil. The more developed industry is another story, but with so many unqualified people you can't do anything, but agriculture at the countryside, where I live.
-But I'm not communist. Personal freedom is important, an that's what any communist regime can't give, they just build an autocracy, where the new leading strate are the party-politicians. It sucks. They tell you they lead the country in the name of the folk, but they won't lead it by the folk. It's called populism. If I have to define myself, I would say, I'm agrosocialist with green elements.
-I don't like the way leftist doesn't realise that central europian can't think anything but nations. To raise a great folk that undestand you, you shouldn't say the total opposite they think, you have to abate their thoughts. An agricultural commune would be the best in the Carpathian basin, to be the pantry of Europe. Come, slovakians, romanians, ukrainians to my bosom. :D

What I cannot accept is nacionalism, that is founded on ancestry. If you do it in a contenting way, it's good and builds up a strong commune, but if you excludes people because of ancestry, language, political views or religion, it just ruines society.

machinaeFREAK, at your age I was a communist too, but soon you will see the world more detailed. :)
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 12:29:22 am »
I totally second that first part! What countries need to do, is just shut down all mines and similar places, and invest millions in solar and wind energy. What I also find concerning is something I read in a science magazine. It goes as following; The UN has made this agreement about Antartica, which requires that no country will mine for resources or settle on it for at least 50 years. But, thing is, Chile for example is indirectly breaking those laws. They've build a few bases in the last years, and what they claim is that those are research bases. Which is total bullcrap according to official reports made by UN supervisors who visited those bases; the majority of the people there consists of people with families who have kids; hell, they even have an online school there during daytime. All this is ofcourse done to lay a claim on the continent in about 50 years; under the motto, 'Our people have lived here for a long time, this land belongs to us'. If that's what's going to happen then I don't want to live in such a world anymore, where lazy-ass faggot regimes can just mine and claim resources and land when and where they want. God damnit, a world-wide dictatorial regime wouldn't be that bad if they were good for the planet.
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 02:24:03 am »
Surely you realize that for now solar, wind and other renewable energy are not enough to replace less enviromental-friendly methods? For now it is impossible to just shut everything down and invest in renewables - we need more research, more sources and better technology. Which, I believe, is still being developed.

Don't take me wrong, I don't want to deny everything you state... just want to be more realistic. I also believe that we should think about humans first and then environment (please do not interprete it as "fuck everything eco-related" :D).

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Re: Politics!
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 03:46:52 pm »
Surely you realize that for now solar, wind and other renewable energy are not enough to replace less enviromental-friendly methods? For now it is impossible to just shut everything down and invest in renewables - we need more research, more sources and better technology. Which, I believe, is still being developed.
^This is why I'm not against nuclear energy. Now it seems that it's the only way to produce energy without killing our atmosphere.

The most important is not to impove the energy production, but to reduce our energy-hunger. Even wind (you have to get the energy out of wind and that could make some parts of the world dryer) or hydroelectric stations (that needs barrages) harm the nature. That's why I buy everything local and shut down the household machines and the notebook off if not used.
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 11:35:19 pm »
Hm, that again, is true. WE SHALL HARVEST THE SUN

Maybe CERN will have the solution in the near future, but until then, we need to develop better ways to not harm the environment while we're harvesting energy. Aren't they already producing energy out of garbage? You know, burn it etc.

Nuclear energy has proven to be a perfect candidate for limitless amounts of energy, only problem is that the after-effects are kind of unwanted by everyone on the planet, and if we look at the safety, well, it's not 100% safe (Chernobyl).

And another thing, I'm not trying to be incredibly racist or hating here trust me, but with all those problems in Somalia, Bangladesh, all those industrial hell-holes, why don't we just...nuke the whole thing. Don't get angry at me, because I know it's an incredibly naive idea, but if we just develop some agent that is incredibly effective and painless, then why won't we put those people out of their misery and start over again at those places?

Again don't get angry, just throwing a random douchey idea out there... :P
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2011, 03:41:12 am »
There are very few things in this world that are 100% safe. Glad to hear, however, that there are still people who are not against nuclear energy - after FFFFFFUUUUkushima and the whole media hysteria around it people are easily changing their views on that.

It's actually pretty funny how Germany - after Japan incidents - started planning on removing their nuclear plants, yet refuse to do anything about some old nuclear warheads left after the war in Buchel :=]

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Re: Politics!
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 04:38:03 pm »
And another thing, I'm not trying to be incredibly racist or hating here trust me, but with all those problems in Somalia, Bangladesh, all those industrial hell-holes, why don't we just...nuke the whole thing. Don't get angry at me, because I know it's an incredibly naive idea, but if we just develop some agent that is incredibly effective and painless, then why won't we put those people out of their misery and start over again at those places?

Again don't get angry, just throwing a random douchey idea out there... :P
Then let me ask you:
What kind of communist are you if you want to kill innocent people as well? That's why communist has failed, kill everyone, if they are can be harmful for the wealth of our people (= communist leaders). You would bomb North Korea, the last rook of stalinism as well?
Arabic states are like Wasp. If you don't fuck with them, they won't give a shit about you. Maybe the emmigrants are a worldwide problem, but it's not a reason to kill all their people.

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Re: Politics!
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 07:13:53 pm »
a random douchey idea


:P

Yeah I know what would happen! I'm not dumb you know... QQ
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 08:52:04 pm »
I'm not dumb you know... QQ
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 09:06:28 pm »
How dare you...  :'(
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Re: Politics!
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 09:32:23 pm »
Can't get less serious even if you are just kidding, or meditating loudly about killing tons of people just because they live the wrong place.
Hmmm, I learned a new internet slang today (QQ), thx.

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Re: Politics!
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 09:55:23 pm »
Hehe, ofcourse I was joking. What am I, a psychopath? Meh!

Look obviously it's an 'easy' way to get rid of people but it's just not done.
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