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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2011, 06:13:11 pm »
Sure someone could mess with him in prison make his life miserable and possibly kill him.

I am not a specialist, however I've heard that norwegian prisons are far too nice of a place for something like that to ever happen.

Also, the reason why I'm against capital punishment are exactly people like him. In case of some crimes, finishing one's life would be too good for them. I believe some people should seriously suffer for what they have done, but in today's world of political correctness something like that is never going to happen ;=]

I say they get tortured by the modern day equivalent of Hitler's SS. Some horrible, horrible people need to feel like shit for a long time before they get the release of dying.

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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2011, 06:33:14 pm »
Don't fight hate with hate. :(

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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2011, 06:50:02 pm »
Don't fight hate with hate. :(

Are you suggesting we "special hug" them until they die?

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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2011, 07:05:09 pm »
Yeah depending on what you did here in the states, good luck surviving in a prison after doing something like that.

I don't like the fact prisoners just get to sit in a cell, get hot food, and tv to watch (they do here at least). My uncle works at a state prison. Prison should be a place that NOBODY wants to go to. Some people actually prefer it here than living on the streets. Not to say it is the best place to live, but my tax money is paying for that shit. I'd rather them be put down. Especially for a crime like that. I don't want to pay for their cell.

If prison was seriously a place of torture and it was absolutely a horrible place to even think about going to, then guess what. I bet most of the crime would go down. The psychos will still do it, but the lesser ones will definitely think twice before doing something that could land them in a place like that.

That's my two cents anyway, not trying to step on any toes, just giving my opinion

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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2011, 07:35:32 pm »
Yeah depending on what you did here in the states, good luck surviving in a prison after doing something like that.

I don't like the fact prisoners just get to sit in a cell, get hot food, and tv to watch (they do here at least). My uncle works at a state prison. Prison should be a place that NOBODY wants to go to. Some people actually prefer it here than living on the streets. Not to say it is the best place to live, but my tax money is paying for that shit. I'd rather them be put down. Especially for a crime like that. I don't want to pay for their cell.

If prison was seriously a place of torture and it was absolutely a horrible place to even think about going to, then guess what. I bet most of the crime would go down. The psychos will still do it, but the lesser ones will definitely think twice before doing something that could land them in a place like that.

That's my two cents anyway, not trying to step on any toes, just giving my opinion

That's pretty much the same story here in the UK. There have been many reports of homeless people committing crimes just to get served food in a cell. It is bad enough they can't get food on their own, but to have it as a reward for breaking a law is just wrong.

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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2011, 08:09:37 pm »
People become criminals because of their social conditions, not because it's comfortable to be imprisoned. Nor should anyone be left to sleep on the streets. It's just the product of a faulty society.

Norway has a very low crime rate and that something like this could ever happen is just terribly unfortunate (and unlikely). The killer's alleged motivation was highly based on hate and fear of multiculturalism. The only way to prevent this from happening again is to continue to develop societies even further with more respect, solidarity and secularization.
Hating is just counter productive.
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2011, 09:09:35 pm »
People become criminals because of their social conditions, not because it's comfortable to be imprisoned. Nor should anyone be left to sleep on the streets. It's just the product of a faulty society.

Norway has a very low crime rate and that something like this could ever happen is just terribly unfortunate (and unlikely). The killer's alleged motivation was highly based on hate and fear of multiculturalism. The only way to prevent this from happening again is to continue to develop societies even further with more respect, solidarity and secularization.
Hating is just counter productive.

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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2011, 11:08:33 pm »
It's not hate, it's justice :(

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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2011, 11:16:37 pm »
Spread the love is what it's about.
First comes solidarity and respect. Then comes education and science. Secularisation will inevitably follow as a positive side effect.

This interview with a former KKK leader is rather enlightening, regarding the worth of fighting hate with love: http://youtu.be/TBwIRq_hmjg
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2011, 03:54:06 am »
Yeah depending on what you did here in the states, good luck surviving in a prison after doing something like that.

I don't like the fact prisoners just get to sit in a cell, get hot food, and tv to watch (they do here at least). My uncle works at a state prison. Prison should be a place that NOBODY wants to go to. Some people actually prefer it here than living on the streets. Not to say it is the best place to live, but my tax money is paying for that shit. I'd rather them be put down. Especially for a crime like that. I don't want to pay for their cell.

If prison was seriously a place of torture and it was absolutely a horrible place to even think about going to, then guess what. I bet most of the crime would go down. The psychos will still do it, but the lesser ones will definitely think twice before doing something that could land them in a place like that. I also survived the showers without being raped which is an extra special accomplishment.

That's my two cents anyway, not trying to step on any toes, just giving my opinion

That's pretty much the same story here in the UK. There have been many reports of homeless people committing crimes just to get served food in a cell. It is bad enough they can't get food on their own, but to have it as a reward for breaking a law is just wrong.

I spent half a week in maximum security prison in Canada which is considered very nice and cozy but it was hell. I can't understand how anyone would like to be in such a shit hole with no freedom at all. The worst part was how it was adding insult to injury as I was just realsed from hospital after seizures and a coma and I never did anything to justify being locked away. On the other hand I beat death this time around which feels like an accomplishment. I also survived the showers without being raped which is even more accomplishment.
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2011, 12:21:07 pm »
Yeah depending on what you did here in the states, good luck surviving in a prison after doing something like that.

I don't like the fact prisoners just get to sit in a cell, get hot food, and tv to watch (they do here at least). My uncle works at a state prison. Prison should be a place that NOBODY wants to go to. Some people actually prefer it here than living on the streets. Not to say it is the best place to live, but my tax money is paying for that shit. I'd rather them be put down. Especially for a crime like that. I don't want to pay for their cell.

If prison was seriously a place of torture and it was absolutely a horrible place to even think about going to, then guess what. I bet most of the crime would go down. The psychos will still do it, but the lesser ones will definitely think twice before doing something that could land them in a place like that. I also survived the showers without being raped which is an extra special accomplishment.

That's my two cents anyway, not trying to step on any toes, just giving my opinion

That's pretty much the same story here in the UK. There have been many reports of homeless people committing crimes just to get served food in a cell. It is bad enough they can't get food on their own, but to have it as a reward for breaking a law is just wrong.

I spent half a week in maximum security prison in Canada which is considered very nice and cozy but it was hell. I can't understand how anyone would like to be in such a shit hole with no freedom at all. The worst part was how it was adding insult to injury as I was just realsed from hospital after seizures and a coma and I never did anything to justify being locked away. On the other hand I beat death this time around which feels like an accomplishment. I also survived the showers without being raped which is even more accomplishment.

Can't tell if serious.

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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2011, 12:25:52 pm »
Very serious. Cost me thousands for the lawyers in court.
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« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2011, 08:51:33 pm »
There's a public gathering in Oslo right now, to show support for the victims and the ones left behind. Media is reporting about 150 000 people (in a city with about 500 000 inhabitants, in a country with about 4.5 million). The final speaker was the mayor, and I think the final words of his speech put it really well: "We will punish the murderer together. The punishment shall be a society with more generosity, more tolerance and more democracy."  As a Norwegian myself, I don't want him killed, I don't want him tortured, or abused. I believe that this is the time to show that we really, truly hold to being a state of justice. There is no better way to punish him than to prove him wrong, by strengthening our ideals rather than weakening them. We need to show him that he isn't the hero he believes himself to be, or some martyr for a revolutionary cause, but merely a pitiable, deluded creature. This isn't a time to hate. He isn't worthy of hate, only disgust and pity.

Edit: As an aside, the number of dead has thankfully been adjusted down some today. Now that they've been able to search the island and bring the dead ashore, they're saying 68 dead there + 8 in Oslo, although some are still missing and many are critically injured, so the number could still rise.
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« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2011, 09:26:00 pm »


I am in awe of this person.

My deepest condolences go out to the victims and those affected by their loss, personally or otherwise.
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« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2011, 12:10:12 am »
They should just release him in the middle of the angry mob at the court when he's done there. After that the police can pick up his mangled remains from the ground.
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