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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2011, 07:01:37 pm »
I didn't read it as a joke, I read it as him being serious. 'Cause he's right, sadly.
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2011, 07:12:52 pm »
Maybe I didn't understand his point. Did he try to make a joke or did he just point something obvious out that we've all been missing?
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2011, 07:47:53 pm »
The way I read it, he states that what happens was horrible, and that sadly things like this have gone on forever. I could be wrong, but... y'know.
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2011, 07:57:19 pm »
Yeah I understand. Let's just leave this be.
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2011, 08:01:04 pm »
For those who can read Swedish:

http://www.verbali.se/?p=714
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2011, 08:20:43 pm »
For those who can read Swedish:

http://www.verbali.se/?p=714

I can't read Swedish, but Google Translate allowed me to get the gist of it. Good article, focusing on the sensationalism in today's society. I totally agree.

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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2011, 10:25:28 pm »
Didn't have much time, but like Gaij said. It's crazy.

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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2011, 11:35:10 am »
And now, thank's to fantastic norwegian law, the guy's gonna get a maximum of 21 yers in jail, am I right ~_~ ?

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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2011, 11:54:07 am »
Aye, that seems about right. And as well it should be. Bending the current laws and creating new ones to limit peoples rights (even the criminals) is just amazingly wrong and stupid. ;P
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2011, 11:56:29 am »
It seems that the shooter was a World of Warcraft fan. Again, it's because of those violent games that people die!

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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2011, 12:42:29 pm »
Actually, according to a CNN article I read, Norwegian law has a paragraph which has never been used yet: crimes against humanity and genocide are punishable with 30 years of prison, and if a prisoner is deemed dangerous to society at the time of release, a court can prolong a sentence as many times as needed.

Given the nature of the crime (slaughtering 90+ people with a clearly political motive) it may well fall under that paragraph.
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2011, 02:02:36 pm »
Actually, according to a CNN article I read, Norwegian law has a paragraph which has never been used yet: crimes against humanity and genocide are punishable with 30 years of prison, and if a prisoner is deemed dangerous to society at the time of release, a court can prolong a sentence as many times as needed.

Given the nature of the crime (slaughtering 90+ people with a clearly political motive) it may well fall under that paragraph.

Doubtful. Very doubtful.

Crimes against humanity are defined as "particularly odious offenses in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority."

Genocide defines as "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group." And while this might in theory fit the events, I wholeheartedly think they won't even try for it.
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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2011, 04:58:32 pm »
The second part of what he wrote is the most pertinent: Norway technically has a maximum of 21 years in prison, but there's a special sort of conviction called "forvaring". In essence this entails that the sentence can be extended by 5 years at a time, if the court finds that there is a danger to society. There is no limit to how many times it can be extended, so if he's still deemed dangerous every 5 years after the first 21, it can last for life. This sort of sentence requires a crime against basic rights, but nothing on the scale of crimes against humanity: Rape, robbery, arson and murder all qualify. (Note that in most cases the sentence is fairly short, the important point is that however long it is, once it's over it can be extended based on a fresh consideration of the repeat danger.)

Personally I suspect the prosecution will try for this sort of sentence and the defence will try for a regular prison sentence.

Me, I hope that he'll be put away for a long time, and that over the years we ignore and forget him and his rhetoric, so that we only remember the heinous act he committed.

I'd also love to hear his own fellows, the right-wing ideologists and authors, say to him that he's a cocksucking, child-murdering worthless piece of shit. Someone should put the challenge to them.

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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2011, 05:32:01 pm »
Electric Chair or Noose, that's what I feel is appropriate for this man. That's just me, why the fuck keep him in prison. Sure someone could mess with him in prison make his life miserable and possibly kill him. I wouldn't want to wait for that. For what he's done he should die.

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Re: Oslo bombings and Utøya shootings
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2011, 05:57:08 pm »
Sure someone could mess with him in prison make his life miserable and possibly kill him.

I am not a specialist, however I've heard that norwegian prisons are far too nice of a place for something like that to ever happen.

Also, the reason why I'm against capital punishment are exactly people like him. In case of some crimes, finishing one's life would be too good for them. I believe some people should seriously suffer for what they have done, but in today's world of political correctness something like that is never going to happen ;=]