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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 09:58:43 pm »
I was actually thinking of making a topic on this sometime soon and then I saw this thread. Great stuff, I would like to further add to that but I'm not sure how far I'm allowed to go into this topic on the forum. I guess I'll just wing it and if it seems like the topic is too touchy or shouldn't be here a mod should just edit my post please.

Okay where to begin... First of all I agree with 95% of what you're saying, and I assume at this point your main focus is what is going on in the USA. But I think to really understand what's happening in America and the rest of the world you have to look at the people behind the tyranny. Not many people know this but America was founded by a group of Freemasons looking to shake the world with these radical ideas of a modern democracy and make their place in history. This sounds perfectly fine except that there was a plethora of hidden agendas in place that basically set the course our country would take since day one. People like Sir Francis Bacon referred to it as "The New Atlantis" and believed it was America's destiny to lead the way to a New World Order, which oddly enough is written on the back of each dollar bill, as are a huge range of other Masonic symbols. I could go further into the topic but it would take all day, but to those who are interested I would check out Secret Mysteries of America's beginnings, a three part documentary that explains it much better than I could ever hope to.

With that being said, I believe the history of America has been one carefully designed plot after another. We've been using false flag policies for years. Lyndon Johnson admitted the Gulf of Tonkin incident was our forces shooting at our own ship. Our own government funded Hitler's rise to power. I'm not even going to get into the reason we're in Iraq right now. It makes perfect sense though. Every time the economy is in a slump or depression we can just go to war! The revenue from producing military goods is great and it gives them a chance to implement more and more socialist policies after every war, or even DURING in this case!

And it's only getting worse. The freedom of information act was supposed to be a huge step in getting declassified information and yet more often than not we find we still can't get the information, and when we finally do it's so long after the fact who knows how much was altered or removed in the process? It's scary to think that people are okay with not being able to access information that we are legally allowed to. It's even scarier to see how our constitutional rights are going out the window. When the government sees people using their constitutional rights they label them as radical and even a threat! It's against our constitution to decide government policies behind closed doors and yet we have the Bilderberg committee, the counsel of foreign relations, trilateral commission, etc. that do just that, and scarier yet that most people don't even know who they are or what they do! It's illegal yet they get away with it all the time and people don't think twice about it! That being said, political parties are also a farce. Just another way to make Americans think they are getting involved and making a difference when they vote, but what people don't realize is they all work in the same interest. Government for Wall Street, by Wall Street. Just look at Obama's main supporter, Henry Kissinger. He's a corrupt Wall Street executive who openly embraces socialism and global government. And yet we let these people run our country??? Regardless of what party is in office the outcome will always be the same. The ONE good candidate we had (Ron Paul) was made out to be a terrorist on live TV and they hardly gave him any airtime. Pathetic.

And now we have all these things in the works, RFID chips, eye scanners in the streets of Mexico to track ex-criminals, Internet ID's, the collapse of the dollar by Banks to move away from the paper money system and bankrupt the common people. It's all by design, but it's scary how little known these things are and how successful their plans to distract the average Joe are. Even a lot of people who do get informed can't actually believe it, or just kind of shrug it off. They think "our government isn't capable of that" or something to that extent. Songs like Edge and Pearl, Force Feedback, Truth of Tomorrow, Reanimator, Follower, and more cover this really well! The message being, if you're going to sit back and do nothing about it then you almost deserve what is coming in the future. I try not to be so cruel as a lot of people go their whole lives thinking one way and then when they learn about something like this they usually have a hard time accepting it or just think it's crazy talk. But the sad reality is that it's what is supposed to happen and the plan is working REALLY well.

Anyway, I feel more comfortable discussing this here than on other forums because I know Robert's views on these things and I know everyone here can discuss this kind of thing in a respectful and mature manner :) I'm perfectly fine discussing the issue further for those who want to, and if someone doesn't agree with what I've said I'd like to hear their points since that is part of learning and understanding better.

Also, hello again fellow forumites ^^

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 08:51:16 am »
"The freedom of information act was supposed to be a huge step in getting declassified information and yet more often than not we find we still can't get the information, and when we finally do it's so long after the fact who knows how much was altered or removed in the process?"

Lol. I wrote a paper this semester on the supposed "Freedom of Information Act". It's kind of a joke, really. People thought that it was supposed to be their way to access any confidential government secrets and find out what was really going on in the government they elected, but instead it basically just allows access to anything not classified. And recently, Obama changed the FOIA so that information, when requested, can be classified on the spot, making it thereby unattainable.

My initial reaction: WHAT THE CRAP?!?!? So any information that the government does not want made public, they can instantly classify it to make it protected from the FOIA. Wow. There's freedom of information for ya.

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2011, 09:47:21 am »
Amen brother.

I hadn't heard about Obama being able to classify information on the spot, thanks for the info!

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2011, 10:17:34 am »
A View From The End of The World... kinda wouldnt mind just factioning everything out having some disorder. Idk maybe Im just insane but whatever happens I wont go down without a fight. There will be a rebellion against governments. The people will have their say and break free one day.

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2011, 04:00:01 pm »
I've been spending the afternoon attempting to find news stories on protests held yesterday in the UK regarding disability and changes to the social security system that could threaten a lot of people registered as disabled. Hardly any of the major news sites are covering it, and of course on the rolling news stations it's just the same few stories ad revolvum.

Maybe if they'd have started rioting the news stations would take notice. Everyone knows peaceful demonstrations don't draw in the views like civil disorder.
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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2011, 08:25:23 pm »
I've been spending the afternoon attempting to find news stories on protests held yesterday in the UK regarding disability and changes to the social security system that could threaten a lot of people registered as disabled. Hardly any of the major news sites are covering it, and of course on the rolling news stations it's just the same few stories ad revolvum.

Maybe if they'd have started rioting the news stations would take notice. Everyone knows peaceful demonstrations don't draw in the views like civil disorder.

Also, you realize that BBC is run by the government, right? So there's reason for the lack of coverage right there...

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2011, 09:20:53 pm »
Maybe if they'd have started rioting the news stations would take notice. Everyone knows peaceful demonstrations don't draw in the views like civil disorder.
I don't agree. Once you start throwing stones, people see you as the usual extremist idiot. They might notice you but they will not support your cause.

I heard that undercover agents in more than one case started throwing stones so that the police could stop the demonstration.

My hope for the moment is that through leaking sites the cost of doing evil will once become too high to maintain and that people will get more and more informed over time. :)

@cloudstrifex I would like to know what conspiracy theories you believe in.
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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2011, 10:54:22 pm »
Maybe if they'd have started rioting the news stations would take notice. Everyone knows peaceful demonstrations don't draw in the views like civil disorder.
I don't agree. Once you start throwing stones, people see you as the usual extremist idiot. They might notice you but they will not support your cause.

I heard that undercover agents in more than one case started throwing stones so that the police could stop the demonstration.

My hope for the moment is that through leaking sites the cost of doing evil will once become too high to maintain and that people will get more and more informed over time. :)

@cloudstrifex I would like to know what conspiracy theories you believe in.

I've heard that about undercover agents as well, both domestically (in what were supposed to be peaceful protests), as well as posing as Muslim extremists in anti-American videos to get more support for the war.

I have no problem sharing my views, would you like to do it in PM or in the thread? I'm perfectly fine doing it in the thread as long as I don't get the band in trouble or start any flame wars.

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2011, 01:32:10 pm »
I'm perfectly fine doing it in the thread as long as I don't get the band in trouble or start any flame wars.
Well... me too ;)
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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2011, 06:10:29 pm »
Shit just got Real

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/27/egypt-situation-gets-worse-people-reporting-internet-and-sms-shutdown/
They just thought that they can import revolution from Tunesia, but the goverment is far stronger in Egypt. It would be interesting if in this game the islamic were the hero side.
And my country's prime minister, the so called Victor Orban just visited Hosni Mubarak before the ruckus. They are so alike. :/

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2011, 08:11:54 pm »
I'm perfectly fine doing it in the thread as long as I don't get the band in trouble or start any flame wars.
Well... me too ;)

Sorry crazywater I didn't meant to ignore you I've just been busy with work and such. I'll try to give you a well written response by tomorrow, I'm just too damn lazy to do it right now xD

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2011, 08:32:01 pm »
Okay Crazywater I'll stop being lazy now and post what I believe. I'll try not to make this too long <.<

For starters, as I said before I believe the U.S. was founded on freemasonry, which by many is considered to be a Satanic religion at its core. The symbols on a lot of D.C. architecture, the dollar bill, and the Great Seal of the U.S. are all masonic and to me the "In God We Trust" has a double meaning. The Christians who are brainwashed at school think it was our God loving founding fathers putting it in there for them because they truly believe in God and want the nation to prosper. On the other hand, I believe it was put there to give them that facade and keep them happy, but more importantly it was put there to honor the god of freemasonry. Although I am a Christian myself, it annoys me when other Christians believe our country was based on Christianity and don't really know the truth about the "founding fathers" or how much freemasonry has influenced our culture and principles.It's known for a fact that at least 15 presidents were Freemasons and probably a lot more than that.

With that being said, I think a lot of our reasons for going to war are a facade. I personally think the majority of the wars in the past 100 years were based on false flag policies, which is the act of creating an event that will give us a reason to go into other countries. For example, I've read multiple places that America actually helped fund Hitler's rise to power as a reason to go to war and get the economy out of a depression, which was probably engineered by Wall Street. President Lyndon Johnson openly admitted the Gulf of Tonkin incident was our troops firing on our own ship so we would have an excuse to start the war in Vietnam.

And then of course there's 9/11. I won't go into too much detail here but I'll just sum up the main things I believe. There were explosives in the towers, which Bush admitted to in his speech like a complete retard, after changing his story like 5 times. There was no plane that hit the pentagon. Building 7... that one speaks for itself. I personally think the planes that hit the buildings weren't even commercial airliners. I believe it was completely an inside job, but I've also heard things like we allowed it to happen because the Muslims wanted Bin Laden back or something so we let them do their thing while we turned a blind eye. The latter theory seems much less likely though. So we used false flag policies to set up a base in the Middle East and have a way to make sure we get our oil, and impose our principles of government on other people, and of course reap the benefits of military generated revenue.

Moving on, I believe officials from all nations are moving towards a new world order, where the RFID chip is going to be the standard for identification and using money. In fact you can read it on the back of the dollar bill, "Novus Ordo Seclorum." President Bush senior mentioned it in his speech, as well as a few other presidents. One of the main financial supporters for Obama's campaign, Henry Kissinger, is a well known socialist and new world order advocate. That's pretty scary to me. Then we have things like the Bilderberg group, which meets once a year to discuss the direction of the U.S. and the rest of the world without public knowledge or consent. There's also the Trilateral Committee and the Counsel of Foreign Relations. The American constitution is going out the window. I could go into this topic more but it would take way too long to get into everything.

Now for a topic I recently discussed with Robert on facebook. Vaccines to me are completely useless. They contain mercury and other heavy metals, which we KNOW are bad for you. You're putting a virus into your body that is supposed to be dead or unable to function, but how true that is only these big corporations know. People argue that a lot of diseases and other things are gone now and that we are living much longer. Well back then a lot of people were malnourished, and the living conditions were not always desirable. A lot of these viruses are man-made as well - look at the Virus Cancer Program from the 70s, where the government admitted to putting AIDS in hepatitis vaccines for homosexuals and in the smallpox vaccines for people in Africa. It disgusts me. There's also the claim that autism has gone up tremendously since we've started giving vaccines to children, as well as a slew of other diseases.

And lastly, I'll go into GMO foods. Companies like Monsanto have a patent on their GMO seeds that they sell to farmers, and the ones who refuse are often taken to court because these patented seeds magically find themselves in their farm. To me this is just pure evil. They are re-engineering our food supply to make it much less healthy for us. Not just them, but companies like Tyson and Oscar-Meyer in the meat industry. Cows are also fed corn now instead of grass and most of them are disease ridden nowadays because they aren't getting the proper diet, and yet they sell the meat to us? It's also becoming increasingly harder for farmers to grow organic crops, and stores that claim the food is organic actually still have things like pesticides in the food. I don't really have much time to keep going into the subject but I'll leave it at that.

I'm leaving a lot of things out here as I have to leave soon. Maybe I'll make another post soon talking about the AIDS cure, cancer cure, poisoned tap water, population control, RFID chip, etc. Hope this was satisfactory Crazywater :)

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2011, 07:19:32 pm »
There were explosives in the towers, which Bush admitted to in his speech like a complete retard[...]
Does anyone have source on this?

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Re: Go back to bed, your government is in control
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2011, 09:04:28 pm »
There were explosives in the towers, which Bush admitted to in his speech like a complete retard[...]
Does anyone have source on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnxe7hxP4I&feature=related