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Gene Simmons is a whore.
« on: November 16, 2007, 09:00:18 pm »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071114/music_nm/kiss_dc_1

Wow.. just wow.. on the back of recent news of bands like Nin and Radiohead ditching record companies, this money grabbing whore comes up and says shit like this.

"There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music. How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free?"

"Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask."

Gene Simmons, you win my greedy little fuck bag of the year award. Your music sucks too.

(Yes, I'm aware he's always been like this)
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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 09:05:39 pm »
I totally agree

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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 09:28:42 pm »
There will always be assholes on the planet :d

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 09:32:14 pm »
actually, i agree with him.
a lot of musicians are slowly losing sales or just not earning enough to dedicate their life to music anymore. and its because every album you want is readily available to download for nothing. i was going to buy a rilo kiley album the other day until my friend said "why bother? just download it for free later". i didnt buy it then, but i am planning to do so (i havent downloaded it).
its a shame that musicians spend so long pouring all their effort into music, only for it to be downloaded onto someones harddrive within a few hours. im always going to buy cds, i prefer HAVING something. music means something to me, so.

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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2007, 01:34:12 am »
I'm always gonna be inbetween in this debate. When you study and live on a monthly fee that leaves nothing (hardly even food money) after rent and college books then its a good excuse even if it is a wrong excuse. But now that I've been working for over a year and earn my living I've bought close 50 cds that I've had downloaded and a lot more then that. Then there's the CDs that seems impossible to find in the stores even online but thats another story. Fact will always be that any market will always have an amount of piracy, even back with betamax and VHS this happened. What matters is if you are a complete freeloader or not. Radioheads "pay if you like" idea is never gonna work sadly. Human instinct says "just take it". Personally i just hate people that sits on 10 000 of MP3's and brag about it.

Gene Simmons and KISS is the most comercialistic band ever so this statement is no surprise. The rapper "Petter" has said something similar a year ago I belive. I don't concern myself that much. I buy if I like these days since I can easily afford it.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2007, 01:36:22 am by Kobi »

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2007, 02:45:19 am »
actually, i agree with him.
a lot of musicians are slowly losing sales or just not earning enough to dedicate their life to music anymore. and its because every album you want is readily available to download for nothing. i was going to buy a rilo kiley album the other day until my friend said "why bother? just download it for free later". i didnt buy it then, but i am planning to do so (i havent downloaded it).
its a shame that musicians spend so long pouring all their effort into music, only for it to be downloaded onto someones harddrive within a few hours. im always going to buy cds, i prefer HAVING something. music means something to me, so.

But then, its still art, and its about what someone gives for it to define the actual price.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2007, 03:07:48 am »
He may sound like an asshole. But from the point of view of somebody who needs money for a living, I actually agree with him. You may argue and say that Gene Simmons is rich and all. But I think what he said really represent a lot of (mostly new&young) musicians who really wanna make a living from music.

NIN and Radiohead have money to do whatever they're doing (I know that Trent Reznor has a lot of side gigs other than NIN. I don't know about Radiohead though). But I agree with Gene Simmon when he said that it's not a good business model. Giving shit for free is just not business! If you think it is, then good luck with your life.

Our lovely band, and the reason why we all gather here, Machinae Supremacy give a lot of their music for free. But you guys have to know that they do other things to make a living.

Eventhough I don't like Gene Simmons, I stand by his point in this.

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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2007, 03:14:30 am »
Ming, what the fuck are you doing still online ^^

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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2007, 04:27:36 am »
Ming, what the fuck are you doing still online ^^

That's supposed to be MY question for you. Why aren't you in a pub and get drunk by now?

I'm still at work dammit!





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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2007, 06:35:05 am »
2 things

thing 1: I don't want music from an artist who is in it for the money.

I understand that you need a certain amount of money to survive on when you're a budding musician, but I know lots of local artists around here who are slowly making a name for themselves (even several who HAVE).  The thing about being new is that your stuff won't show up online that fast and won't be that easy to find, so most likely scenario is that people will buy your CD and Merch immediately after seeing you live... if you weren't good enough live to get people to buy your stuff, then you should either get 1) try something new or 2) realize you aren't cut out for the business.

thing 2: Gene's "business model" example makes no fucking sense.

ok, yes... opening a store where you say "come in and pay what you want!" doesn't make sense...
but it DOES when your product is available in limitless supply to no extra charge for you (IE: Data).

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2007, 08:46:26 am »
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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2007, 05:30:55 pm »
I will just voice my support to the original poster, and with Kobi.

The truth of the recording industry today, from what I've gathered, is that new bands don't make much money off of record sales anyway. Despite that, it is still going to hurt new bands if people don't buy their records (a: they do actually get money from it, and after having put themselves in debt to the recording company, as they often do (the recording company often lets the band borrow money for studio time, give them advance pay on the album, etc, etc), they need it, b: if they don't sell, the recording company is unlikely to continue to support them), and in general if people don't buy new records (because the recording industry will then sign fewer bands, and those who would have been signed but weren't are logically losing out).

But Gene Simmons, from that interview, sounds like an ass. Some of my favourite quotes:

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There'll be 10. No one -- and that includes the Beatles and Elvis -- can touch our (KISS') merchandising and licensing. Nobody. Outside of the music world, it's only Disney and Lucas. But in the music world, they can't shine our shoes.

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Wait, what did that have to do with the question? Oh, yeah, they're going to play at Indy car events, and his marketing business brands indycars. Tip to the guy: You sound pretentious and stupid when you boast about your achievements like that. It's okay if it's vaguely related to the topic, but this is so off-topic from the question it reminds me of some of my older rambling posts at 3 in the morning, where I go from talking about the topic to maybe, oh, I don't know, the colour of my walls.

So, yeah, while I have never been exposed to idiocy by Gene Simmons before, I now have, and know the truth. Thank you, comrade Rehevkor. I shall endeavour to never buy a single KISS CD or item of merch.

(I shall, however, endeavour to buy at least 1 album from each artist I regularly listen to, once I actually have money to do so. Having maybe 70 albums already, I have reached my own low ethical goals for pretty many bands already).
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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2007, 06:26:21 pm »
Thank you, comrade Rehevkor. I shall endeavour to never buy a single KISS CD or item of merch.

Hell. It's not even worth stealing.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2007, 06:29:07 pm by Rehevkor »
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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2007, 06:39:09 pm »

ok, yes... opening a store where you say "come in and pay what you want!" doesn't make sense...
but it DOES when your product is available in limitless supply to no extra charge for you (IE: Data).


Well, to create that data (in this case perhaps mp3 format of the songs) cost money to them. They record their stuff in expensive studios. Not to mention the whole mixing process, hiring engineer etc.

Again, bands like NIN and radiohead are not financially in trouble nowadays, because they've been around since the time people buy physical CDs and they could make money off of it. We're talking about new broke ass musicians.

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Re: Gene Simmons is a whore.
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2007, 07:50:16 pm »
This is how I roll:

I download music. To see if it's good. If it is, then I'll get the album when I can. If it isn't good enough, then I'll keep it, in case I start liking it.

This is how many I know do, and most "pirates" do this.

People who say that downloading music hurts them needs to think up. If you say this, then you are clearly in it for the money. People like Machinae Supremacy understands how it should work, imo.
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