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Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« on: December 06, 2006, 05:45:23 pm »
Yeah, have a nice independence day ye all finnish folks out there, and nice day to the other folks too :P. It is the 89th Independence day in Finland, almost 90th! Just thought about posting about this here o_O.

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2006, 05:54:51 pm »
Finland also has an independence day?  :o

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2006, 06:00:51 pm »
Yeah.



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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2006, 06:19:49 pm »
Finland has been under the rule of Sweden for around 100years and under rule of Russia/Soviet Union for nearly that much. They both used Finnish soldiers and warriors to fight their wars :(.

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2006, 06:21:50 pm »
Finland has been under the rule of Sweden for around 100years and under rule of Russia/Soviet Union for nearly that much. They both used Finnish soldiers and warriors to fight their wars :(.

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That just goes to show that Swedish people and people from russia have something intelligent in common. ;)
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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2006, 04:12:17 pm »
Finland has been under the rule of Sweden for around 100years and under rule of Russia/Soviet Union for nearly that much. They both used Finnish soldiers and warriors to fight their wars :(.

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2006, 10:58:19 pm »
well... we did hit soviet union's economy pretty hard with our counterattack.
Imagine, Russia is a HUGE country with millions and millions more soldiers, tanks, and other stuff like that, and Finland is very small in comparison and our number of our soldiers so small. But still we pushed the invaders back from our beloved homeland back into their own lands.

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2006, 11:33:51 pm »
well... we did hit soviet union's economy pretty hard with our counterattack.
Imagine, Russia is a HUGE country with millions and millions more soldiers, tanks, and other stuff like that, and Finland is very small in comparison and our number of our soldiers so small. But still we pushed the invaders back from our beloved homeland back into their own lands.

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You had home advantage ;)
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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2006, 02:43:13 am »
well... we did hit soviet union's economy pretty hard with our counterattack.
Imagine, Russia is a HUGE country with millions and millions more soldiers, tanks, and other stuff like that, and Finland is very small in comparison and our number of our soldiers so small. But still we pushed the invaders back from our beloved homeland back into their own lands.

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You had home advantage ;)

+25% to defense?


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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2006, 04:56:13 pm »
well... we did hit soviet union's economy pretty hard with our counterattack.
Imagine, Russia is a HUGE country with millions and millions more soldiers, tanks, and other stuff like that, and Finland is very small in comparison and our number of our soldiers so small. But still we pushed the invaders back from our beloved homeland back into their own lands.

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You had home advantage ;)

+25% to defense?
The war we had against Russians was pretty impossible war. Finland had crap equipment, pretty much no tanks or such, very little soldiers and Russia had shitloads of soldiers, tanks and good equipment.

There was this one battle where two(2) finnish soldiers with machineguns shot 40,000 rounds against Russians who were trying to zerg-rush a finnish bunker. 40,000 rounds.

There was also a polish(or something, cant remember) Elite Batallion(cant remember the name thing either :P) with armoredbatallion who joined the russians in battle. The two batallions were 45,000 men in strength with like 400 tanks or so and lots of armored vehicles. Around 5000 men returned alive to Russia.


But yeah, my memory sucks and I dont know these things so well.

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2006, 05:09:19 pm »
I had no idea that Finland was so bad ass.

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2006, 04:06:34 am »
I've read this thread but I've been busy. Busy meaning that I've not have had time enough for this complex thread. Here's short history of Finland's independence for clarification :

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End of the 19th century : nationalist ideas spread in arts and tales. Finnish national identity strengthens as russian grip grows tighter.

1902 Russian tries to conscript finnish soldiers. Finns boycott conscriptions and only 42% of troops show up.

June 17th 1904 Finland's Governor General Bobrikov is assasinated by Eugen Schauman, finnish nationalist.

1905 Conscription of finnish troops ends because finns don't show up.

World War I - Finnish troops, Jägers, participate in training in Germany. They were meant to be as backbone of future finnish army and help Finland to reach independence.

November 1917 - Russian revolution.

December 6th 1917 - Finland parliament adopts declaration of independence and Finland becomes independent from Russia.

1918 - Finnish civil war. Fought between "whites" (conservatives) and "reds" (communists). Whites were presenting current legal finnish government. Reds were socialists and communists who wished to "finish the revolution". Whites were supported by Germans (who provided mostly training to finnish Jäger troops "jääkärit") and reds were supported by Soviet Union. It's highly probable that if the reds were to win Finland might have applied to be as part of Soviet Union thus ending our independence. It was short and bloody civil war and current estimations of casualties is somewhere around 40.000 and resulted to winning of white party.*1

1939-1940 Winter War. Finland is attacked by Soviet Union. War lasts for 105 days and Finland losts about 10% of it's land area and 20% of industrial capacity. Price of this victory was expensive : soviets lost six time as many soldiers than finns. It was catastrophy to both sides : Finland lost many men on it's tiny army, land areas and industrial capacity. Red Army lost their credibility since they could not achieve total victory over tiny Finland but were forced to accept partial victory. That was one of the things that made Hitler think that he could win Soviets and thus start Operation Barbarossa.*2

1941-1944 Continuation War. Finland is again attacked by Soviet Union. This time Finland is supported by Germany and war lasts little longer. Finland defends first attacks and makes counter-attack and conquests back areas lost in Winter War. Again outcome is that Finland lost it's areas - those who were lost in Winter War and then some more. Finland lost 60.000 soldiers and again Soviets lost 6 times as many. Almost half million finns become evacuee and has to find new home somewhere else in Finland. Finland is obliged to pay war indemnity to Soviet Union. Finland leases Porkkala area as naval base for Soviet 'till 1956.   Finland is only country in world which paid it's war indemnities to the last cent - year of last payment was 1952.*2

1944-1945 Lapland War. As part of the peace pact Finland promised to empty it's areas of German soldiers. They were not leaving voluntarily. That meant that finnish soldiers were forced to fight against their ex-brothers in arms.  As germans retreated they burned vast areas of Lapland and destroyed Rovaniemi to the ground and mined Lapland heavily before reaching Norway.

1952 Finland finishes it's payment of war indemnities

1956 Finland has Porkkala back

1995 Finland becomes part of European Union


Some personal notes:

*1 Civil War divided Finland deeply in two. It was time of murder, terror and violence from both side. Even today some of those scars remain. Most families do remember in which side their ancestors did fight and died. Nowadays younger generations usually don't put so much weight on these matters.

*2 Since Winter- and Continual War touched every finn they have become symbols of our national spirit and freedom. Many finns do have evacuee-background like me.

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Yes, independence day come and went with it's traditions. There was two candles burning in many windows, military parade and dances at president's palace like always. Although I was working and not partying I did think of my ancestors who fought over this land and were building this country. I felt pride for finnish character and spirit - the core and essence of our freedom. At same time I did feel little sentimental and sad thinking about how horrible is that price of freedom we have. I thought about my ancestors and I was thankful for their protection. Without them I, or our son, were not existing. I'm respecting those things that independence day represents (our good national characteristics) but I'm not thinking that Finland is truly independent anymore. Although we, as country, are not that independent anymore I feel pride for free soul of finnish nation. We have lived through centuries under swedish and russian governments. We have been used to fight others wars, we have paid heavy taxes for crown, get raped, killed and looted for countless times but we have never lost our identity and language. That's something I'm proud of. 6th of December is day when principle of unbroken finnish spirit came into flesh in form of independent country - it was act of nation's will.
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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2006, 04:12:18 am »
Sorry about that random and inaccurate rambling about various things. This matter would have deserved more detailed and better written post but just right now I'm not capable of that. Our independence is complex thing - it's not just those 89 years but that story goes way beyond that. And in those 89 years there are so many details... Well, independence is very valuable thing for me but it's something I'm not that good writing of.
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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2006, 04:15:40 am »
MY........EYES!!!

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Re: Happy Independence Day, Finland!
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2006, 04:24:54 am »
MY........EYES!!!

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As always, your posts are jaw-dropping, Gravehill. I've read a little bit about finnish history, and it is *very* interesting. Mind you, I find history in general interesting.
And both our countries do have something in common at least: repeated attempts by the swedish to screw us over. Only difference is we actually held them at bay for a while (even stopping Charles XII just outside the fortress in my hometown, where he was eventually killed). But then they used their underhanded tricks and stole us from Denmark in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars.  >:(

Oh, well... at least perhaps we can cooperate if Sweden decides to expand its borders again ;)
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