Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ?

[Ankle]

It is good for music. I would never have started listening to music outside of C&C soundtracks or run out and bought albums (and continue to do so) to rip to wonderful FLAC if it wasn't for downloading music with p2p stuffs on the internet.

As for those who say its bad because people who buy it after downloading are the minority: The people that don't buy it wouldn't have bought it in the first place. It makes no difference in the end.

[Trezker]

I'm quite sure the industry would sell much more if they didn't put copy protection on stuff.
As long as anyone can hear something in any way, it can and will be copied.

Games are a bit hard to copy because you need the data, you can't just copy the output. But for music and video you can just plug the output to a recorder and all copy protection is gone.

They only achieve one thing with copy protection, they make legal copies unusable.
Why should you pay for something you can't use?

[Jack Lupino]

Hmm, good point.

Then what do you guys think about buying mp3's ?

like 0,99 ct for 1 mp3.

[Fallout]

Hmm, good point.

Then what do you guys think about buying mp3's ?

like 0,99 ct for 1 mp3.

p2p is slowly changing its meaning, from peer2peer to pay2peer. With companies like Napster and hundreds of "buy mp3's" sites popping up, the industry is slowly transforming our wonderful p2p communities into money-guzzling corporate machines.

And we know everyone's opinions of corporate machines, right? pay2peer = bad. 0.99p for 1 mp3 = bad.

[Valentine Revolution]

Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

[Sativa]

With companies like Napster and hundreds of "buy mp3's" sites popping up.

I don't think any of my mates have actually used any of these yet though?  I can't see it really taking off, excpt for the whole ITunes shop thing (I think there is one of them? Or was I dreaming about it o.O) Even now that all the old P2P software such as napster has been shut down, people are just switching to Bit Torrent and the likes, where they download whole CDs instead of each song seperatly, This is probably a bad thing for the music industry :<.

 IMO by shutting down all the old P2P software, the RIAA made the situation worse for them selves 

I still go and buy CDs if I like the music, I just like a test listen first (like a new car)

[Kasumi-Astra]

Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

Queue Ephtee.

Downloading music to advertise your ego is far from activism. Using BitTorrent or Kazaa is possibly the easiest thing to do in the word, it hardly makes anyone a saint. If you really want to make an effort, get involved on a political level.

I must also agree with the healthcare situation- everyone has a price and a benefit on their heads in Britain today. It's easy to say that you'll happily help subsidise the system with your own money, but honestly when you get there you simply won't have enough money.
I started on private healthcare when I was 18- then I went to university and all my money had to go on food. I have now been waiting almost two years for the NHS to catch up with me- and that's just to access treatment, I will have to join another waiting list for an opperation.

I have to agree that copyright theft and DRM pale in comparison to Britain's National Health Service.

[cloudstrifex]

Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

Exactly. While music should be made for the sake of music and not money, wouldn't you want your favorite artist to make money anyway so they can continue making music for that reason? If artists can't get payed I doubt they will want to continue making music. That is their career, just like all of us have or will have one someday. It's like you're working and providing a service but someone steals it. Wouldn't you get mad? I think downloading music can be both good and bad. Sure it spreads the word, but if you don't buy the album and download it instead that's one more album the record company didn't sell, and that could mean the difference between the record company going out of business. I like MaSu's philosophy of releasing web site songs for your enjoyment, but also a record. Releasing full downloadable songs from that record will give you an idea of what to expect, so you don't have to go download it. But it will also not rip off the band by not giving away the whole album. So I think it's safe to say that music sharing has its share of pros and cons.

[PrescriptiveBarony]

I must agree with the lovely ladies above. My beef always comes with attitudes. Sure, go for the music stealing, but don't act like it makes you a better person. Don't download everything you see so that you can impress others with your 3-terabyte music collection full of crap you haven't even listened to. Don't get all pissy if you get caught and then start getting all uppity about letting filesharing be more legal. If it were perfectly legal you wouldn't have an addiction to it in the first place, so if you intend to benefit from something's illegality, be prepared to accept the consequences of such.

Also, skateboarding is a crime, douchebags. Cause it's against the motherfucking law.

[Trezker]

It's war, and as we all know war means progress.
In the end both sides will have lost a lot and the world becomes a better place.

[Jack Lupino]

Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

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But this thread : " Internet : Good or bad for the music industry ? "

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[Ankle]

Hmm, good point.

Then what do you guys think about buying mp3's ?

like 0,99 ct for 1 mp3.

Why would anyone pay for an inferior version? I could see it if they sold it in a lossless format without DRM and included high resolution album art + digital booklet thingy so we would get something equal to what is on a CD.

[Lysix]

Oh please, there are bigger "corperate machines" to fight than record companies making a quick buck. Downloading tracks for free when you should be paying for them does not make you some big rebel against the system. "Heehee, I got the new Robbie album for free from the net, fuck you Sony". Fucks me off. You want to fight something? Fight for equal rights, fight against our health system being turned into a business, where people's lives are being measured by "cost-effectiveness".

This isn't anything personal against anyone here, but its been irritating me for a while. You wanna fight the system? Fucking go for it, with all you have. Downloading Ice Age II is not fighting, its taking the stupid way out.

What you say is very true. Yet with the current state of the world, it can only get worse.
Time machine plz. I wanna go back to the time where people mattered.

[PrescriptiveBarony]

What you say is very true. Yet with the current state of the world, it can only get worse.
Time machine plz. I wanna go back to the time where people mattered.

Which time was that? The concept of the individual didn't even exist until the 16/17th century. We're the most individualist we've ever been right now, and with the explosion of the intarweb, people "matter" (in whatever sense you might mean) more now than ever. Sure, democracy hardly exists, and the more people there are the easier it is to get lost in the crowd, but it's not like there was a time where everyone was seen as equal and worthy.

Everyone since the dawn of history has decried the current state of things and wished for the good ol days.

[Irrationalist]

Anyways......

If they charged $5 for a cd rather than $15 thru $20 I would buy my music, the cheap paper, ink, and plastic is not worth $20 and besides the money should be made from the concerts.