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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2006, 08:23:10 pm »
Wou! MaSu is becoming famous! Well I said that MaSu will r0xs the universe!
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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2006, 08:25:22 pm »
Should be rather accurate...

Indeed it is.

Also looks like www.metal.de also did an interview with machinae. According to their website it should be available shortly.

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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2006, 08:45:27 pm »
btw. the review from the pit is quite a bit longer in its original form, but i'm too lazy (and busy ^^) to translate all that now. Rob posted the more interesting parts, they go a bit into the online fandom (nothing really interesting), spinefarm and there's a track by track review.

-> http://www.the-pit.de/reviews/m/machinae_supremacy/cd/redeemer/859/index.html

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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2006, 09:35:57 pm »
Germans seem to have something against metal from northern Europe based on two of those reviews :P

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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2006, 09:41:32 pm »
Those melodies are continued in the vocals, which stand out because of the vocalist's unique croaking voice.
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To this add Robert Stjärnström's terrific qualities as a vocalists, singing mostly clean but always insistently and strinkingly...
Germans seem to appreciate the vocals.
Maybe it's because the german language is rather "croaking" so they're used to it.

I bet germany will be one of the first countries where the Supremacy goes touring. ;)

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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2006, 10:12:40 pm »
Germans seem to have something against metal from northern Europe based on two of those reviews :P
i think the first one was translated a bit confusingly by me. this wasn't against finland or finnish music, but it was rather meant as "a swedish band being signed by a label that mostly has finnish artist must be somehow extraordinary" in the original.

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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2006, 10:53:59 pm »
Germans seem to have something against metal from northern Europe based on two of those reviews :P
i think the first one was translated a bit confusingly by me. this wasn't against finland or finnish music, but it was rather meant as "a swedish band being signed by a label that mostly has finnish artist must be somehow extraordinary" in the original.

I understood what you (they) meant. It seemed they were giving a swedish band credit for being signed by a finnish label such as Spinefarm that seems dominant to their territory. Or that's what I got out of it anyway.

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Re: MASU in media!
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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2006, 09:28:24 pm »
some bulgarian noobie did that blah :D i dont care

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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2006, 09:40:08 pm »
Considering the "extreme music webzine", I don't give a lot of interest to this kind of review.
Not that the people that listen "extreme music" (I suppose black metal or anything like that) are narrow minded with music from other genres (despite the fact it's often true) but it's probably what's happening with this guy. :P

Anyway, I don't get the connection between MaSu and that "gothic" word (read same thing about MaSu being a gothic band on some crappy french website). Could someone enlight my mind. :)
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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2006, 11:45:21 pm »
There's a really great and long interview with some really interesting points over at metal.de, actually the most comprehensive interview with machinae I've read so far.
http://www.metal.de/stories.php4?was=story&id=808

They also have a good 7/10 points review of Redeemer
http://www.metal.de/cdreviews.php4?was=review&id=7083

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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2006, 11:53:33 pm »
Here's the first quarter (!) of the interview at metal.de
Anyone willing to help with the rest of the translation?

metal.de Interview with Machinae Supremacy
http://www.metal.de/stories.php4?was=story&id=808

With "Redeemer", the Swedes delivered a refreshing second album that will strenghten their reputation as innovative and groundbraking band in the rock and metal arena. Why the five guys support that their music can be downloaded for free on the net and why they don't perform in Turrican costumes, guitarist and singer Robert Stjärnström explained to me during a comfy talk.

Robert, Machinae Supremacy have been around for more than five years on the web, as one of the first bands to be internationally successful with offering their music as free download. What is your philosophy when it comes to the distribution of music? Many bands are out to earn money with their music or at least sell their albums...

We're more interesting in people rather listening our music than necessarily buying it. We're supporting this attitude openly. Without internet, filesharing and word of mouth, we would be nobody and therefore we'll always support these options.

On your new website you're reporting about various offers from labels you refused because of a lack of communication and bad distribution. Now you've signed with the Finnish label Spinefarm. A contract for four albums requires a considerable degree of trust, I'd say - so what is it that's great about Spinefarm? What changed for you, if you compare the bands' situation now and five years ago?

Spinefarm have been on our radar for a while, not only because of some really good bands on their label we like to listen to, but also because a friend's cousin and his band are with Spinefarm. When they contacted us, they asked us, if we did all by ourselves as a matter of principle or if we already thought about signing a contract. We answered that we're open for everything, if the right label would contact us.
What we had in mind was a label that could (and would!) offer us far more than what we could achieve on our own - at least at this point in time - and we think that's what Spinefarm could offer us.
Our fans were a bit afraid that Spinefarm might have too much influence on our music. Up till now we made the experience that our 27-year old, long-haired, headbanging label boss Hannu always gives his opinion on our music, but in the end, he lets us do what we think is right. They are a big and really capable label, but still it's their policy, not to interfere with the music of their bands.

This november the label will release your first official album "Redeemer". Tell your fans why they suddenly should buy your music instead of just downloading it.


I'd say listen to the music if you doubt its' value. If you like it, buy it. If you think the album isn't worth it, then just don't care about it. We download music too, so we'll never condemn other people if they do the same. If you want to support Machinae Supremacy, there are several ways to do so, but buying the album is the easiest of them all.

When you found the band on the beginning of this century, you all just buried your former music projects. What can you tell us about your musical biographies? What lead you to making music, what projects did you have before Machinae Supremacy? Are there other bands you're currently active in?

Our band histories mostly consist of local, unknown bands. Some which are worthy of being mentioned are for example Tomas' former bands Far Apart and Shinedust. I also played with him in a band called Garden of Concrete, and alone in various local punk bands and so on. Jonne und Gordon didn't do anything beforehand and Poe had a side project called Slideshow.

Machinae Supremacy - what does it mean? Machines over humans? Rationalism without emotion (actually the album doesn't sound anything like that)? What's your band philosophy?


I think the name sounds a bit darker than we really are. We already came up with the name before we founded the actual band, as we had a kind of cyberpunk concept in mind. The band delevoped a more positive direction as originally intended, so...
By all means, we aren't that "evil" as it sounds and certainly not partucularly "emo". The name remained nonetheless, but has now - at least for us - to do with pride and sincerity than with a dark and apocalyptic future.

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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2006, 12:06:22 am »
haha, bateman, i was translating that independently from you, just finished after two hours of work. my fingers hurt x_X

here's the rest!

When I first came across MACHINAE SUPREMACY, some years ago, I only knew you as "the band with the incredible Gianna Sisters Cover". What was first - game music covers or selfwritten songs?

We always liked to write our own material. But from the first day we were just really thrilled about the idea of using videogame sounds and influences. Some retro musician found our songs and wrote to us. He said that we just had to do a videogame cover because our style would be perfect. That sounded like a funny idea so we took a song and recorded our own version.
In retrospect this was a very successful promotion strategy for as. The song spread like a wildfire through the internet and I believe that it has helped us very much to gain popularity with MACHINAE SUPREMACY as a band.

I couldn't say that it is very common to combine metallic guitars and heavy drums with ths kind of videogame music. A lot of bands sound like those medieval epic role playing and strategy games, but they don't mix influences (except for BAL SAGOTH, maybe). What about this is so fascinating for you?

From what I've heard we were the first to do that. There has been no mixing of 8-bit-videogame style with metal before MACHINAE SUPREMACY. I don't remember what exactly it was that made us do it, I just remember that it seemed very natural to me. There's this special something about this oldschool videogame music, this lawlessness, that's inspiring us musically, but we also love metal and the powerful feeling of heavy music. Maybe it wasn't enough for us to do just one of these, we had to do a little bit of both, you know. the best of both worlds.

I've often asked myself how to describe your music in the most fitting way. Most of the time it turned out as something like "rather melodic but dark metallic music in a modern outfit, using power and heavy metal guitars, some prog influences, moving synthesizers and a unique voice". Do you want to try yourself, and how do you thin about categories in general?

Hmmm... Genres and categories are treacherous, because everybody has his own notion about what exactly they mean. For instance, is "nu" metal the same as "rap" metal? I don't know, but how can I than recognize "nu" metal when I'm listening to it? What is essential to a genre, what defines it?
We have found that different people put MACHINAE SUPREMACY in different genres, dependent on which songs they prefer.
"Redeemer" does, as everything we have done before did, offers a broad variety of styles that cannot be expressed by one single genre. But I think you did pretty well, trying to describe it like that. To avoid to trap ourselves we mostly describe our music as "melodic hardrock (or metal) with videogame influences", or as "SID-Metal".

Unlike many metal bands you do not use aggressive voacals, as you find them in metalcore, black or death metal. Instead you've got a clear charismatic voice which reminds me a little bit of PLACEBO and MUSE, or even of Ozzy, when he still had a voice.
Why?


Because growls have been overused to their death... I actually knew that I wanted to sing in this band even before we had founded MACHINAE SUPREMACY. The result of that is that we've now got a vocalist that has not been chosen because of his abilities or his charismatic voice. I'm simply singing because I had decided to take over this role. Now we sound like it sounds when I sing, and this the only way in which I can imagine to sing.

Innovation is a strained word, that is all too often used in modern music business to descibe bands that are either entirely boring or so innovative that you cannot listen to them at all. What does innovation mean to you? You have been very innovative in your use of the internet, how do you intend to be innovative in the future?

We never thought about it like this. In some way I'd describe us rather as "retro" than as innovative, at least musically, because we have got these retro-influences in our music. To us it means to look backward in time, instead of looking forward.
When it comes to spreading our music on the internet, then the thing making us innovative is the fact that you don't get to listen to short democlips, half songs or streams that you cannot save. You get to download over 50 complete songs in high quality - for free.
And at least as important to us is trying to stay close to our fans, via our forums and the IRC-channels. Those offer the possibility to lead realtime conversation with our fans on a daily basis, instead of posting regular news or having an annual 2-hour-chat.

To me it seems that the development of the music business is heading in the same direction as that of the videogame business. When I was a child, games were very innovative and focused on ideas and gameplay rather than on graphics, they had more atmosphere and charisma. Nowadays all we get are standard products, producers following trends, games and music that are getting boring very fast. What's your opinion on these developments and could you imagine that there's a connection there?

Well... it may be a bit too easy and comfortable to follow these mainstream productions, at least right now. This leads to the fact that in our time everybody can do this stuff, not like it was ten, fifteen years ago. The result thereof is that we've got a growing number of bands that all sound the same on the one hand and a bigger number of talented DIY-bands and musicians on the other hand. The second group is out there too, you just have to be willed to look.

MACHINAE SUPREMACY use the SID, the sound chip of the legendary Commodore 64. Tell us a little bit about your youth with the C64. Which games did you play, what gave you the idea to use the SID for your music?

I remember loving Boulderdash, The Great Gianna Sisters, Transformers, Nexus, Commando and Ghosts'n'Goblins, amongst others. I even tried typing in some machine code from a computer magazine once, only to find out that it didn't do much at all, hehe.
I'm not really a fan of retro games, though. The C64 was incredible at its time, but that is over. What continues to live on and have its place in this world is, in my opinion, the SID chip. We use it because it adds a rough element to our music, something fresh and interesting that sounds cool and passes for a great instrument. Everything's so "hi-fi" and "hi-def" nowadays and I can understand what people like about it, but I also believe that a little bit of "lo-fi" is what's making the mixture interesting. We found out that the SID has its own unique sound characteristics which fit together with a distorted lead guitar perfectly when it comes to the frequency. That's why we really like it to let the SID and the lead guitar play the same melodies. It always sounds fantastic.

My eyes are always getting wet when I listen to the soundtrack of "The Last Ninja". Would you say that you're a nostalgic and melancholic person?

I do suffer from strong episodes of nostalgia, occasionally, but those moments are relatvely rare. I try to look forward and to find joy in new things. I'm afraid of becoming one of these old people that do nothing but lament about how everything was better back in the day, so I have created my own philosophy of everything being better today than it was in the past. TV-series are better, movies are better and gamges are better, too. Of course you have to choose carefully what to watch and what to play, but if you're ready to put some effort into it this is a very healthy attitude.
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Re: MASU in media!
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2006, 12:06:43 am »
That was too long, more than 10000 characeters. Continued:



Have you ever met any of the great videogame music componists? Can you recommend some soundtracks?

we met some of them (Reyn Ouwehand, Ben Daglish, Rob Hubbard, amongst others), but never Chris Hülsbeck personally (though we did exchange some emails). But there still are people making pure SID music, even today. We have covered almost all our favourites in the Sidologies. My advice is to listen to the originals from the songs that we used in these medleys first. You can find a list in our forum.

Are you specialists in the area of synthesizer sounds? Or how do you manage to use the original SID sounds? Are they simulated or do you use real chips?

That would be difficult. We use the SidStation from Sweden (www.sidstation.com - we're featured on that page because the developers really like that we're using that thing) and we don't have to try long to implement this in our music at all, honestly. It almost comes automatically. We adjust the arpeggio and lead settings a little bit, but not much. Just plug the SidStation in, play around with it a little bit and you're drowned in a sea of inspiration. We tried to use simulated SID sounds (VSTi) once, but it didn't sound good at all when it was mixed.

Sweden is famous for its big and successful metal scene with bands like IN FLAMES and DARK TRANQUILLITY hailing from the country, a legendary death metal scene and a lot of good power metal bands. Are you interested in the scene? What do you listen to?

Yeah, of course we're interested in that! We think it's awesome that Sweden has such an excellent reputation when it comes to metal. The Swedish bands we like the most are SOILWORK and IN FLAMES. From other countries we're listening to a lot of stuff, from MEGADETH to SYSTEM OF A DOWN, and to al lot of nonmetal music, too. The scope of our influences is very diverse.

"Redeemer" has been remiced and remastered by some of the best Swedish metal producers. What are the changes from your own selfproduced version?

It seems like we are better at recording than we had thought, hehe. Seriously though, they took our material and changed it into something that sounded as if we had spent a lot of money on it - and all that while we just sat there and were in awe. That was quite the experience, from the total do-it-yourself up to then, to see professional producers work for us. The production is more powerful and biting now, a bit more cleaned up in some frequencies (overlapping instruments, effects that have been selectively muted, etc.). There have been some changes to the tracklist (two songs and a couple of intros were kicked out, one song has been added), the vocals are generally louder than they were before. We just got all the potential out of "Redeemer".

How did you manage to record your songs so professionally? Do you record them at home, or in a studio?

The drums were recorded in a studio, the rest at home. We recorded all the guitars using a Line6 guitar port, the bass with a simple line-in, adding effects and amp simulation in postproduction. The vocal cabin was closet that we filled with [[stuff to reduce acoustic noise]], to kill the echo and the room ambience. Low-tech but effective. I can only reommend this to all underground musicians, hehe.

On your Website you can still download a lot of songs that have been recorded and released a long time before "Redeemer", amongst those your debut album "Deus Ex Machinae" (sic!) and an entire PC game soundtrack. There are some truly fantastic songs like "Winterstorm" for example. What is going to happen to these songs? Do you plan to rerecord some of those for future albums?

These songs are going to stay online, und Releases -> ebography, available for free download.
We talked about it and we'd really like to rerecord the songs, but we are a little bit afraid of the essence of these songs being buried somewhere in these old records and that we might ruin them when we overhaul them. But still I am quite confident that at least one of our favourites, for instance "Hero" or "Winterstorm" will appear as a remake at some point.


MACHINAE SUPREMACY have played a few gigs in their past but only on an underground basis. Is there a chance of getting to see you somewhere south of Sweden next year? And how should we imagine these shows, musicians in Turrican-costumes with guitars looking like phasers?

Haha, maybe, we'll see. Up until now we have played a few gigs in Sweden, one in England and two in Finland. But there have been no futuristic weapons on stage, I have to admit. So far our musical style has had no effect on the stage show.
Spinefarm is working on bringing us together with some booking agentures right now, so the chances for a tour, even if it might still take a while, with Spinefarm backing us, are about one million percent larger than they were not so long ago.

That's good news! Till then I wish you good luck with "Redeemer", have fun in the big evil music business, hehe. To finish, I'd ask you to recommend our visitors a) an album, b) a videogame and c) a website. The answers "Redeemer", "Jets'n'Guns" and "www.machinaesupremacy.com" are forbidden, of course. Thank you very much!

Thank you, too! Here we go:

a) Raised Fist - Sound of The Republic
b) Jet Set Radio Future
c) www.MegaTokyo.com (a webcomic)
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Re: MASU in media!
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