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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #135 on: September 28, 2006, 09:21:43 am »
"Sell out" is a phrase that gets thrown about a lot these days. I've been into several bands that have changed record label or sound over the years (AFI, PM5k etc) Seems to me people only like "underground" bands for the sake of being "underground", as opposed to any regard to what the band themselves think or feel. Haven't we been waiting for this day to happen? I certainly have. I want to see Machinae CDs instore, I want to see them tour and play wherever they like (Reading Fest mkay?), I want to see videos, hear em on the radio, whatever. If you stop liking a band for something as silly as who they work for, then wahtever. I'll stop liking them when the music sounds shit.

I don't agree that Redeemer wasn't a SiD album, the SiD is there but in a much more mature way than the web releases. Redeemer tracks weren't bathed in SiD just for the hell of it, but it was used quietly and in the right places for impact, but this is a whole other discussion ;)

Kinda agree with teh remastering being a bit ...weird though, but I'm not an expert, nor am I really that big a music fan, so meh, I don't understand it all anyway.

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #136 on: September 28, 2006, 09:26:17 am »
First: if Lexx is positive about it, it can't be all bad.

Second: Self-righteousness about the choices of some other entity is bullshit. Like people getting angry that a sports team traded someone. Fuck off, it's just some people you'll never meet making a decision, which people are allowed to do. We may never get another Masquerade or Follower or Hubnester inferno, but that's because they've already been done. Whether this will be more akin to Anne Rice going from vampire novels to lesbian porn than to steve burns going from blues clues to a musical career remains to be seen, but it's also going to be subjective. Philosophizing at the band won't change their mind, and seems condescending, as though they are your personal musical monkeys. Bad machinae! bad! i told you to stay away from the labels! bad!

bah.

On an unrelated note, i never understood why commercial cds aren't allowed to be more than like 50 minutes. Why cut perfectly good, mastered songs from a cd? wouldn't more material increase perceived value as well as appeal? it's like buying a book with the last half of the pages blank.

I will be going about my daily life as though nothing is different because nothing is different. If machsup never again release something which is pleasing to my ears (something which i very much doubt), I will still have a massive library of stuff that IS, and there are always more bands which, believe it or not, can at times be on par with them.



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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #137 on: September 28, 2006, 09:38:57 am »
I'm unbelievably sad over this.

I've been talking with a number of my friends locally, and with magicman and speedd, about you guys for a while now, and i've been saying something that is too unsettling.  I had been talking about how you guys had 'figuratively' sold out- your sound is changed, you dont release free songs nearly as much, you seem to be spending a lot less time doing what brought me (and many others, i believe) to you in the first place.
I look at my machinae library, which has the betas, and which i am not ashamed of listening to, and i think, what happened?  where is missing link?  earthbound?  why dont we have any songs like Winterstorm?  It's all gone... all that stuff that brought me back to my young years in front of my NES, its gone.  All that awesome stuff that made me proud to blast you on the highway... its gone.  You sound less... unique than you used to.

And i respect that.  I love you guys still.  But where you used to be my 'favorite' band, the band that i loved that was so unique and so brilliant and so radical that i had to make EVERYONE listen to... now you sound like a rock band.  Redeemer was a rock album, not a SID album.

And now this.

Yes, i'm making this out to be a lot bigger than it probably is.  but hear me out.  First off, one of the things that most bothers me is the fact that your record label is RIAA.  I dont care if you still want to *stick it to the man*, that doesnt mean ANYTHING.  In the realm of social actions, there is intent, and there is impact.  what you intend to do is rubbish if the impact is totally different.  you're 'intending' to stick it to the man, but what will end up happening is your profits will go to SF, who will pay their dues to RIAA, who will prosecute us filesharers even more.  THAT is the impact of your actions.
As for creative imput, i'm glad to see that you still have some control.  but i still have doubts.  Those in power can control those under them, and that is whats going to end up happen.  It'll be subtle, and it'll be  slow, but it'll happen.  To you, SF is your shot at bigtime.  to SF, you're another group to bank.  SF can find others, but for you guys, it'll be harder.

Intent versus Impact.  You're intending for this to be good, but the impact of this can only be bad in the long run.

Yes, i understand you want to reach out to new people, but dont forsake from whence you came.  The old fans, the old style, the old music, all must be respected.  Putting your old stuff, where some of your BEST material comes from, in a corner, is embarassing.  Be proud of who you are, even if you are different now!  Winterstorm, Sidstyler, Missing Link, Timeline, Hero, Legion of Stoopid, Loot Burn Rape Kill Repeat, Hybrid... those are MACHINAE SUPREMACY songs!  not 'songs from our past projects'.

I am happy for you, and i am sad for myself.  It seems that my favorite band has fallen out of my favor.  Maybe time will rectify, but i doubt it.  to quote William Shakespeare,

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Wherefore, bold peasant,/
Dar'st thou support a published traitor?  Hence,/
Lest that th'infection of his fortune take/
Like hold on thee.  Let go his arm!

Wow... Where to start... .

So "free songs" brought you to us? Ok, that's fair... We did nothing but free songs in the beginning, because what else were we supposed to do? Sit on them and hide them from the public in the hopes of getting a record deal? No way... We don't do that.

Then, before ever having a shot at releasing an album, we did DXM... And just before we finished it, someone contacted us about releasing it... Such a joyous day. It was wonderful for us, the chance to make an A L B U M just like grown-ups do... Wonderful, so we did... The MBD Records contract was very favourable for us, but a contract nontheless. And I didn't hear anyone complain then.

We recorded and mixed DXM to the best of our abilities and the result you've all heard... Then for the new release, v2, we realized we could make it better, so we did. And the same with Redeemer... When we finished it, we stood again without a means to release it... But this time we did what we refused to do before... We decided to sell it ourselves... To handle all crap with a webshop and all that so that we could get our album out... Then we're contacted by some record labels, who we turn down because there would be no sense in taking just any label... But then Hannu at Spinefarm had heard our underground edition at a friend's place, and contacted us. He asked if we were DIY on principle or if we'd consider a record contract.

We said, "If the right label and contract comes along, sure."

And now the retail edition has been mixed and mastered, and again it's better than the old one. The music has more punch, there's less mud and more clarity, and it sounds "expensive", imo... Who'd have thought that our home-recorded crap could sound this expensive? It's amazing...

So you see, again we do to the best of our abilities... The underground edition was the best we could do when we finished it. Now, with some pro help and an extra year of experience, the retail edition is the best we can do.

... And we ARE a rock band. That's all we ever wanted to be. We are a real band who play real music, and we play rock (or metal or hard rock, whatever you want to call it). We absolutely love the SID aspect to our sound, and we don't plan to EVER let that go, or even lessen it, but we don't go out of our way to make it dominate the sound, either... We use SID where and when we feel it makes a song better.

Some of you might say "the more sid the better", sure... But we prefer to put everything in it's place, because the SONG is more important than the SID. Even if the SID is awesomefuckingcool as a concept and an instrument.

And let's examine how much money WE will provide to RIAA or even to Spinefarm... Small-time bands (which we are in the "real" world, where are 3 million downloads do not count) do not sell an abusive amount of albums... And SF has already spent a lot on us for only the mixing and mastering...

Let's get something straight, too ... We don't sit around with delusions of "bigtime". We just want to reach out, go out and play live and gain ground where we haven't before. You say the impact of this can only be bad in the long run. Like some remote viewer you know what we will do and what will happen to us. How little you think of us, it seems... Did you use to like us?

What we intend you should all know by now. And what the impact is, you really don't. Not yet. So don't pretend to predict our demise or "inevitable" (popular word today) crossing to the dark side.

Do you know that our label manager, Hannu, is a 27 year old headbanger from Finland? Just consider that for a moment, and give the fins some cred!  8)


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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #138 on: September 28, 2006, 09:52:21 am »
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We absolutely love the SID aspect to our sound, and we don't plan to EVER let that go, or even lessen it, but we don't go out of our way to make it dominate the sound, either

*cough*Arcade*cough*  ::)

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #139 on: September 28, 2006, 10:27:40 am »
Maybe you should read this thread again? The website design was ours, not Spinefarms. What requirements they asked for you can find in an earlier post.

As for creative control, we got it. No one's gonna make us change the way we do things, and no one has. We evolve, sure, but our change is our own, and trust me when I say you'll never fail to recognize us, now or in the future.

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The website has been revamped according to the wishes of our new corporate overlords, hence this new outlook.

Yeah, right.  :(

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #140 on: September 28, 2006, 10:36:02 am »
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #141 on: September 28, 2006, 10:45:19 am »
Maybe you should read this thread again? The website design was ours, not Spinefarms. What requirements they asked for you can find in an earlier post.

As for creative control, we got it. No one's gonna make us change the way we do things, and no one has. We evolve, sure, but our change is our own, and trust me when I say you'll never fail to recognize us, now or in the future.

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The website has been revamped according to the wishes of our new corporate overlords, hence this new outlook.

Yeah, right.  :(

Keyword being "wish", not "command" or "instruction" or "rule" or "apocalyptic doomforce"...

Their wishes being "more pictures, and a biography"... And here's a tip for you to use in your future life... When someone gives you good advice, take it.

Doesn't people get sarcasm these days? Isn't it obvious that me using the phrase "our corporate overlords" pretty much shows they don't tell us what to do? :)
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #142 on: September 28, 2006, 10:55:33 am »
My thoughts on this are pretty much in line with not12x and magicman. However, being a web developer/designer I have some additional things to add for Robert:

I remember you have said it before, and you said it again here - you do not like doing web stuff. Then don't, because it shows. You are very good at art, but there is no functionality in art - there is only functionality in design. Now that you have Spinefarm, I'm very sure they can put you in contact to work directly with some developer(s) and designer(s) who do web stuff for a living and could hopefully put together a much better site (otherwise they aren't worth their salt as designer/developers).

The first thing that strikes me is the fonts - they are a bitch to read. They weren't easy to read on the last site, and they are even harder to read now. The navigation fonts used in the images are bigger, but they are very hard to read because of that grunge look. The contrast is awful, dark grey on black makes things even harder to read.

Second thing that strikes me is when I view the source - frames sucked back in 1996 and for the most part died after 1999 and they died out for several good reasons. There are also other ways to achieve the same functionality/goals without the downsides thanks to CSS and languages such as PHP, Perl and even server side includes.

Third - tables are for tabular data, not layout. CSS is for layout.

Fourth - the site is not standards compliant. Browsers are designed to the standards defined by the w3c and for a web page to work properly in a rendering engine that is standards compliant it must also be standards compliant. It isn't a huge issue for everyone yet, as most browsers such as Firefox still fall back to quirks mode (the reason the new site displays 'fine'), but it is something that needs to end sooner rather than later.

Fifth - Disabling the right click. I didn't notice this because I browse with javascript disabled. But the practice is bad. It breaks expected functionality of the web browser and is a inconvienance to users trying to browse the site.

You can ignore my opinion, both as a professional web developer/designer/consultant and a user of the internet, or choose to do something about it. Your call.


Now onto what I think about the new sound of the remastered/remixed redeemer clips. I don't like it. I did not like the remastered version of ghost posted up long ago and I wasn't really fond of the remastered version of Deus Ex Machinae. Where I prefered the orginal DXM mastering and didn't really think the new one was bad, just different - the difference between the new redeemer clips/ghost and the orginals are night and day in a bad way.

Three random bits from conversations relating to this that I found some what amusing and true:

[19:50] Einkoro: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/
[19:50] ImustDIE: looks so emo

[20:53] Nathan: I'd like the new sound too...if I was deaf

[21:48] Nathan: fuck I hate this site..I liked the last one better
[21:49] Nathan: I liked the one before that even more
[21:53] Nathan: really...site wise..it's the style the older one was...it was clean and easy to read/navigate ect. the one for redeemer was just really small text with no real design...this new one is just...borderline emo

... Uhm... I fixed the right-click now... Can't we compromise? Meet half-way? The right-click is half-way, right? :D


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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #143 on: September 28, 2006, 11:05:30 am »
Damn. Has it really been 5 months since I've posted last? I always visit from time to time too. Trippy.
Anyway, I've caught on with all the news and I figured it was time to log back on so I could say congratulations.
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S  MACHINAE SUPREMACY!
This is great news!
I will await the day that I can find the next album in stores in Northern California and then see you guys perform at The Warfield in San Francisco.
Just keep your dreams alive and hold up that optimism. It'll get you places.
I will continue to stand by as a loyal fan and friend and will support you guys through this new era.
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #144 on: September 28, 2006, 11:45:43 am »
Do you know that our label manager, Hannu, is a 27 year old headbanger from Finland? Just consider that for a moment, and give the fins some cred!  8)

Not cred.

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #145 on: September 28, 2006, 12:02:47 pm »
Keyword being "wish", not "command" or "instruction" or "rule" or "apocalyptic doomforce"...

Their wishes being "more pictures, and a biography"... And here's a tip for you to use in your future life... When someone gives you good advice, take it.

Doesn't people get sarcasm these days? Isn't it obvious that me using the phrase "our corporate overlords" pretty much shows they don't tell us what to do? :)

You could easily have modified the old page and added those things. For each update, things just get more and more mainstream. But to succeed in the commercial world, I suppose that's what required.

Perhaps we should change "Gordon approves" to "Spinefarm approves"?

As not12x wrote, giving the RIAA the finger with one hand while signing a contract with the other is just hypocrisy. However, I understand the reasons behind this; "doing it yourself" for anything more than an obscure underground band is just too much work (being in that scene myself, I know the difficulties and how much time it consumes).

However, while I still appreciate your music, it feels like you're straying farther and farther away from your old ideals (or what appeared to be your ideals at the time). You're starting to feel more like "just another rock band I happen to listen to" than the rebels I once knew, something genuine and fresh that dared to question. But I suppose you never really cared about being rebels just for the sake of it; it seems all you've ever wanted to do is just rock, but that's your decision and it's fine with me.

The recent events will probably bring you more fame than before, and you really deserve it. You'll probably lose some old fans in the process (or they'll just remain remembering "the old days" and what Machinae used to be), but you can't please everyone so that's just the way of things I suppose. I'll continue to support you, and I hope you will prove there was no need for my fears. It's just too early to say yet if the change is for the better or worse.

Go ahead and flame me for being an asshole and not cheering with the rest of you, but Machinae has always meant something "more" (than just a band; something to rely on) to me, and it feels like that era just came to an end. "But it's still the same!", you say. Well, we'll see.

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #146 on: September 28, 2006, 12:12:22 pm »
I've been reading through this thread a bit, and I have this to say: All naysayers, when you get your OWN record deal, THEN you might be entitled to say this.

As a fan of Machinae for going on two years now, I know what songs I like, and which ones I don't, and my favourite songs are from the albums... which are contracted. No one in their right mind would go "Oh, yeah, print it using our label, we don't care.", Spinefarm have signed Machinae so that the band can use them as a venue to perform, and make more music. This means that other people can do the hard work, and the band can focus ENTIRELY on making music, which I believe is the most important thing. "They sold out"? Sure, maybe... I would, if it would mean more people hear my music, and it makes it easier for me to make that music. Some of you have got this vision of "Fight the Power!" into your heads and are unwilling to let it go, thinking that the label are some evil conglomerate out to make heaps of money from poor bands, and give nothing back. They're in it for BOTH groups, and I know for a fact there ain't that much money involved. And who the f##k would object to more MaSu? If you are making a huge fuss over getting free music off the site, well, you obviously don't really like the band. Give and take, that's what it's all about. You can't just take, you gotta give some back. I have RUE, and will CERTAINLY be getting RRE, because I like the band, and want to support them.

So, for those of you who have been going on and on about the band "Selling out", "betraying their ethics", and "joining the evil Empire", here's what I say to you: GET OVER IT.


*sigh* Now that that's said, congrats to Rob, Jonne, Poe, Gordon and Tomas. That label was a long time coming, and I look forward to the next album.

Also, question: if RRE's being produced under the Spinefarm label, will it be available via MachinaeShop, or will I have to wait for a retail store over here to get it?
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #147 on: September 28, 2006, 12:12:46 pm »
WEE! The news made me scream like a little girl. It gives one hope for the world when GOOD bands get a good chance. And despite what many have said in this topic, I don't think the band will sell out or loose their sound. If any band should be capable of remaining true to themselves after signing, it would be Machinae. Congratulations and good luck to the band! n_n
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« Reply #148 on: September 28, 2006, 12:26:18 pm »
Is it wrong to appreciate good music? Is it wrong to want to spread good music to the world? Is it wrong to want good music to sound the best that it can sound? The fact being that it is not wrong at all. Machinae Supremacy is doing what they love to do, and in order to continue to do that they are going to have to take necessary measures. If Machinae continues to stay underground there is a possibility this will tire them and affect their everyday lives. Thus bringing a quicker end to their legacy. It is much too difficult for them to continue on their own. They're big boys now and as it was mentioned earlier, they've been doing this for 6 years. Let SF take a load off their backs, they earned it. They will continue to do their best making great music the way they want to make it. Nobody is changing them. Do you guys really want all of their songs to sound exactly the same? Musically they are going to mature and evolve to new sounds. That is a given for any good band. Just remember, they are making this music for us and the way it sounds represents where they are at in their lives at that moment. You people should not be so worried about what the band decides to do. If you want to hear their old songs, go listen to them. If you don't like the remixed version of Redeemer, then don't buy it. Listen to the old one. If you don't like the direction they are going in, tough shit. As long as somebody keeps listening to them, they will keep making music. That's what it is all about. Making good music. So stop complaining.
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #149 on: September 28, 2006, 12:28:00 pm »
^ w0rd.
<WereVolvo> moar sid! new album sux! music vid sux! machinae are sellouts! where i find crappack lulz? when is page getting updated? gief moar free songs plx. zomg plz come to the US/UK/Mars/Alpha Centauri! when r u guyz gonna do a tour? i think u shuld come to this festival it wuld be gr8!