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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #285 on: October 03, 2006, 03:32:27 pm »
yeah, the politics are far more important! >:(
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #286 on: October 03, 2006, 04:44:18 pm »
I wish MaSu all the best with the deal, but count me out from now on, i'm not giving those record asswipes my cash.
So see you on the filesharing networks!

*slaps forehead* ok... it's been said before, but here it is again...

more people buy machinae's album off record label = more cash for the record label (which is bad, yes, but... wait for the next step... are you ready?) = MORE CHANCE OF MACHINAE MAKING ALBUMS IN THE FUTURE

as soon as the record label changes machinae's music, then you have a right to give up on them. but so far they have done nothing wrong. so stop being a dick.


So your saying that you can't be convicted for attempted murder? They already tried to change MaSu...
The attempt might have failed, but Spinefarm owns MaSu now... They are the boss, they might start soft, but if they don't get enough money they can pull strings. If MaSu breaks the deal when that happens, all the better.
I have no grudge against MaSu for the choice they made, however, if you ask for opinions, don't expect all replies to be to your liking.
My opinion is that, based on my own experience, record deals changes music and I don't like that.
Big deal... MaSu is not gonna die because of me, but I can sleep easy knowing that my cash is safe from the corps...
And about the release of future albums... what good are 4 spinefarm forced mainstream MaSu albums against 1 good totaly homebrew album.
About the studio and mixing... if you've got a crap album, you can throw in the pro remastering team, but under that decoration it's still crap.
Like placing a flower in a piece of poo, it's still poo after that, only it looks nicer at first, untill the smell gets to you.
And I for one, do not like the smell of recordlabels.
Is it so hard to understand that in my eyes, paying recordlabels is paying recordlabels, no matter who's album it is?

You know that MaSu and Spinefarm are more than friends than masters and slaves, you know that, right?
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #287 on: October 03, 2006, 05:45:18 pm »
It is still amazing to see that there people out there still with their blinkers on.
You know what.......Fuck them.
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #288 on: October 03, 2006, 06:07:33 pm »
speaking of blinkers...

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #289 on: October 03, 2006, 06:12:07 pm »
That is very arb.
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #290 on: October 03, 2006, 06:37:34 pm »
I think it's funny that Creative Input and Murder is comparable in some people's minds. :)

yay for Creative Input ABOUT Murder. as for these minds you speak of, they need those top secret government implants they're probably paranoid about to actually inplant some common sense into their heads. I don't even know WHERE he pulled "murder" from, I see absolutely NO connections whatsoever...

Spinefarm have some sweet bands signed on, but I hope this doesn't attract too many of those mainstream emos that you see walking round with bad hair and too much eyeshadow...
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #291 on: October 03, 2006, 06:49:01 pm »
Yiiiisss, that is one thing I don't want to see.

I know here in South Africa, MaSu are making headway on the LAN side of things.
All the gamers are talking about them.

Thats a good start
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #292 on: October 03, 2006, 07:58:41 pm »
Ok, just returned. Won't read the whole 20 pages.

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #293 on: October 04, 2006, 02:51:47 am »
First a reorganized forum, and now this?
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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #294 on: October 05, 2006, 03:08:49 pm »
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« Reply #295 on: October 05, 2006, 04:33:48 pm »
I remember, back in the days before the release of Redeemer, when there was talk about trying to get a record deal. I believe either I suggested checking out Spinefarm, or more likely somebody else doing so and me seconding. Now this has happened. I hope this to be, when all is said and done, a good thing.

I'm putting in my two cents late in the discussion, but my two cents are old, 19th century ones, and therefore worth more ;D

Yes, Spinefarm did want to change some aspects of the music. They came with creative input. We've done it on the forums a whole lot of times, and nobody ever screamed at us for doing it. As Robert, and hopefully the contract, states, the guys have kept total creative control over their music. This is an important point.

A lot of people scream about Spinefarm being part of Universal, and as such a member of the RIAA. While I don't like that aspect, the potential positive sides, if the band has gotten a good contract, outshines this by far.

But then I wonder: Has the band gotten a good contract? I've heard so many horror stories about bands being cheated off of everything by the record labels, ending up owing the label more money than they've earned. Many record labels, instead of sponsoring and paying for the recording, mixing and mastering of the bands albums, simply let the band borrow money from them to do this. Through doing this, the label will suddenly control the band completely, effectively making them "slaves".

I have to ask you, Robert: This is not the case with your contract at Spinefarm, is it? You don't borrow money from them? If the answer is no, if Spinefarm pays for you without expecting their money back (apart from in the form of record sales, of course), then I am positive to your signing. This, and not whether or not you've signed with an RIAA affiliate, is what is important.

If the above is the case, the signing will mean more time to make music, more time to tour, and probably more money in the bank for the band members. Even if they get less money per CD, and even if they get less money from album sales in total. There are no bands who get rich selling CDs, they get rich selling concert tickets. Remember that, and support the local Machinae Gig.

Rock on, off, or whatever you want. Just make sure to keep creative control and a positive account balance towards Spinefarm.

EDIT: Yes, The Ru. The same applies in Norway as well. But it's still true that the main income of a band is touring.
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« Reply #296 on: October 05, 2006, 04:39:16 pm »
There are no bands who get rich selling CDs, they get rich selling concert tickets.

Swedish artists also get income from STIM. If you register your songs at STIM, you'll get paid when they're played on radio/TV/clubs/etc...

I'm not sure how it works in other countries, if most countries even have something like that.

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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #297 on: October 05, 2006, 04:58:17 pm »
Yes, especially as metal bands don't get much airplay in mainstream media.

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« Reply #298 on: October 05, 2006, 06:08:01 pm »
I remember, back in the days before the release of Redeemer, when there was talk about trying to get a record deal. I believe either I suggested checking out Spinefarm, or more likely somebody else doing so and me seconding. Now this has happened. I hope this to be, when all is said and done, a good thing.

I'm putting in my two cents late in the discussion, but my two cents are old, 19th century ones, and therefore worth more ;D

Yes, Spinefarm did want to change some aspects of the music. They came with creative input. We've done it on the forums a whole lot of times, and nobody ever screamed at us for doing it. As Robert, and hopefully the contract, states, the guys have kept total creative control over their music. This is an important point.

A lot of people scream about Spinefarm being part of Universal, and as such a member of the RIAA. While I don't like that aspect, the potential positive sides, if the band has gotten a good contract, outshines this by far.

But then I wonder: Has the band gotten a good contract? I've heard so many horror stories about bands being cheated off of everything by the record labels, ending up owing the label more money than they've earned. Many record labels, instead of sponsoring and paying for the recording, mixing and mastering of the bands albums, simply let the band borrow money from them to do this. Through doing this, the label will suddenly control the band completely, effectively making them "slaves".

I have to ask you, Robert: This is not the case with your contract at Spinefarm, is it? You don't borrow money from them? If the answer is no, if Spinefarm pays for you without expecting their money back (apart from in the form of record sales, of course), then I am positive to your signing. This, and not whether or not you've signed with an RIAA affiliate, is what is important.

If the above is the case, the signing will mean more time to make music, more time to tour, and probably more money in the bank for the band members. Even if they get less money per CD, and even if they get less money from album sales in total. There are no bands who get rich selling CDs, they get rich selling concert tickets. Remember that, and support the local Machinae Gig.

Rock on, off, or whatever you want. Just make sure to keep creative control and a positive account balance towards Spinefarm.

EDIT: Yes, The Ru. The same applies in Norway as well. But it's still true that the main income of a band is touring.

Don't worry, there's no such clause in our contract. I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say about it, actually, but I'll go as far as to say this: If the label invests more than they've committed to under certain circumstances, we may lose out on royalties (until the debt is paid). And to be perfectly honest, I could care less about losing out on royalties. :)


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Re: Machinae signed with spinefarm records
« Reply #299 on: October 05, 2006, 06:12:49 pm »
teosto is the thing that give moneyzor for the artist from airtime, radioplay etc