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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2006, 04:30:01 am »
Who's pedant ?


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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2006, 04:36:46 am »
Oh, I get it. Ahaha.

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2006, 06:36:54 am »
Funnily enough it relates to me at the wiki page.

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2006, 07:38:04 pm »
Redeemer was done a long, long time ago. It wasn't released because Music By Design went under. The songs from JnG were based off Redeemer songs, NOT the other way around. And there are only a few.

The fact is those songs you heard on Redeemer that sound simular to JnG songs came around BEFORE the JnG counterparts used in a game. The overall complaint I've heard on this discussion when it first came around was "Why were these versions given free when we had to pay for Redeemer much later". I've already explained Redeemer came first, but what I'll say on top of that is two things: Machinae could have chosen to release JnG OST after Redeemer OR not release it for free at all to avoid the entire problem from ever taking place.

I for one am very glad they gave it to us immediately.

While I am uncertain if the entire Redeemer album was mastered and finished when they did JnG OST (robert didn't specify), I am sure that the songs are based off of Redeemer songs and not vice versa. Redeemer is released now only because Machinae spent the time and money to release the Underground edition themselves, basically.

On a final note, while I defenitely hear the simularities... they are very different songs in my opinion. I think it's quite cool some songs from Redeemer were remade into more game-musicesque tracks for Jets & Guns.

While I'm on the subject, in case you don't know, theres other little blips and hints available in Machinae albums. For example: On Track 14 of Redeemer (Prelude to Empire) you hear samples from various older Machinae songs cutting in and out like someone changing a station to a radio. The last song plays the longest and fades out before the speaking comes in. That song is Dark City, a track not yet released from the work-in-progress 3rd Machinae album we'll someday cherish (most of you know this, but seeing as we have some newer people in this thread that were unaware of the Redeemer before JnG situation, I thought this could be new news to them as well).

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2006, 08:19:05 pm »
applaudages to drakonis for rather effectively summing everything up. maybe that should be added to "The Newbies guide to frequent topics" thread.

EDIT: i took the liberty of adding it there myself
« Last Edit: July 03, 2006, 08:21:38 pm by SomethingApt »

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2006, 10:47:12 pm »

and don't anyone forget that Robert has already announced that other JNG tracks would be used in album numero tres.

he mentioned which track, but I forget which one.

and like Drakonis said, the entire songs aren't just remakes... there are only small parts of the JNG songs in Redeemer, the rest of the song is completly unique AND has lyrics.

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2006, 12:31:35 am »
I was thinking more about this today, and Sirix is right. on JnG we get a snippet, but on Redeemer we get a much deeper experience.

And thank you for the clear up on this =)

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2007, 09:14:58 am »
and don't anyone forget that Robert has already announced that other JNG tracks would be used in album numero tres.

he mentioned which track, but I forget which one.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he said it was either "Flight of the Toyota" or "Koala in the Spider's Web", although I'm leaning more towards Toyota, just cause it sounds so awesome.

edit: opps... sorry for ressurecting the dead.

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2007, 05:03:49 pm »
applaudages to drakonis for rather effectively summing everything up. maybe that should be added to "The Newbies guide to frequent topics" thread.

EDIT: i took the liberty of adding it there myself

Since this thread has already been necromancered from the dead, I'd like to take this time to say thank you for your comment you made a year ago that I must have missed. =)

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2007, 10:33:57 pm »
haha, I posted here... I forgot.  Odd, considering HOW EFFING HELPFUL I AM!

OMG

edit: Also, thank you Relocator... no one ever really reminded me which tracks he mentioned, and I, of course, wasn't going to be bothered to look it up myself!

nonsense!

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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2007, 10:48:54 pm »
Yeah i also forgot i posted here.
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Re: I don't want to seem like a nay-sayer...
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2007, 11:00:28 am »
Thread closed, Alix added the question (and a link to Drak's answer) to the FAQ. See http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/index.php/topic,4172.0.html