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« on: June 03, 2006, 10:25:40 pm »
I read Machinae's lyrics and I wondered: there were a few words in English I had never heard of... (no examples here because I don't have one... as always)
So my conclusions:

1) Scandinavians learn a cooler English than we do in Germany (from TV e.g.)
2) Machinae Supremacy can speak a real good English
3) Machinae Supremacy just searched for words that sound that good and interesting but unknown to some people
4) Machinae Supremacy needed words like that too express what they wanted to express but these words are compilcated/unknown by nature.

Please help, I want to know that.
Machinae enriches my vocabulary and I want to know why.

EDIT: here are examples... I begin with words from DXM's lyrics (the album I mean)
- insidious (but that's not spectacular, my English teacher tried to teach us the word yesterday ;D)
- dreadnaught
- harbinger
- monolithic
- courtesy
- nourish (but I got to know it by French: nourrir, which I actually knew)
- fissure
- unbridled
- rogue
- accumulate
(so far, I'm tired of looking through lyrics...)
--> so that shows that MY English is bad?? :'( please don't tell me this, tell me other things... in doubt just compliment MaSu... please *begging*
« Last Edit: June 03, 2006, 11:24:54 pm by ~futilité~ »

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Re: English
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2006, 10:43:23 pm »
You can't say they use wierd words and not provide examples. How are we supposed to help you?
Being English myself i can safely say none of the words in any songs are used out of place. So it's definately 2). :)

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Re: English
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2006, 12:34:55 am »
Just some of the cooler, rarer, English words. Makes the song sound so much better, think it's just to add to the whole feel. Wouldn't want all the words replaced with evil, good, happy and bad would you?

For you, I think it's just advanced vocubulary you wouldn't really be taught ever.

So a bit of 2, and mine.

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Re: English
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2006, 01:18:45 am »
How about


arsonist, coherently, subversion, surreal, BUY A GOTDAMN DICTIONARY ?

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Re: English
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2006, 03:29:53 am »
How about


arsonist, coherently, subversion, surreal, BUY A GOTDAMN DICTIONARY ?

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Re: English
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2006, 03:35:33 am »
While you germans mostly dub all movies and TV series, and even get to buy videogames in your own language, we scandinavians learn english from such even as toddlers (young children).

And many people just love fancy english words. I like words like henceforth, thoroughly and carnivorous. :P

One might want to add that english is by some concidered to be the language with the largest vocabulary.
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Re: English
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2006, 06:02:05 am »
I'll be the nice guy and try to define the words, since nobody else seems to care.

I'm tired, though, so the definitions might be a bit bad.

- insidious
I want to say "sneaky evil" or something like that.

- dreadnaught
The HMS Dreadnaught was a Battleship built before WW1, which sat the standards for later battleships. Dreadnaught, in "everyday" use, refers to a large, powerful ship, or some sort of metaphorical counterpart.

- harbinger
An omen or foreshadowing, usually a bad one.

- monolithic
Large, massive, or made from a single piece and material.

- courtesy
politeness, acting correctly in a social situation

- nourish
feed (though in the cases of the lyrics, metaphorically speaking, of course)

- fissure
a crack or fracture

- unbridled
Bridle: The thing a horse has in it's mouth. Unbridled: Without a bridle. The metaphorical implications should be obvious.

- rogue
a scoundrel and thief, an unreliable person. A person or item which you've lost control of or defy you may be classified as a rogue. The word also has a lot of romantic connections. People like Robin Hood or Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Carribean (that is, charming doublecrossers and thieves) could probably be called rogues.

- accumulate
gain. "To accumulate wealth" - to become wealthy.

Yeah, there are a lot of fairly advanced english words in the MaSu songs, a lot of which aren't needed in everyday communication in english.

A tip: Use Googles "define" keyphrase in Google searches to get definitions of words (in english).

Examples (in google searchbox):

define:accumulate
define:redeem
define:chocolate chip cookies
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Re: English
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2006, 09:24:21 am »
And many people just love fancy english words. I like words like henceforth, thoroughly and carnivorous. :P

I find theres a few German words though that can beat the coolness of any english word

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Re: English
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2006, 10:53:16 am »
While you germans mostly dub all movies and TV series, and even get to buy videogames in your own language, we scandinavians learn english from such even as toddlers (young children).

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The bad thing is, we have no choice. Why do they have to dub every crappy TV show, and why do they have to translate every game? Thanks to DVD and internet I haven't watched any German TV for like two or three years now (except some political magazines and "Tatort" (1) :P). Fuck, I hate dubbed TV. Just for the sake of translation, they kill the atmosphere of the original show.

I haven't watched dubbed TV in a long time, but I remember The Simpsons and Futurama for example, where the voices were awful for the most part (except the German Homer, they even found a good equivalent for the "D'Oh!"). The writers of the translation didn't get some nerd jokes and movie quotes, so you basically had to translate the dub back into English to see what the joke was.
Stargate, where Samantha Carter sounds like a bad porn actor. Star Trek, where they changed the voice actor for Picard during one of the early seasons. And of course, the translators' feeble attempts to create congruent rules to get the different forms of address ("Du" and "Sie").
And there's also a chance that a good show gets picked up by a cheap channel (network with a close to zero budget for dubbing (like RTL2); of course they can only afford the finest voice actors.

Why do they keep this shit up? Subtitles are cheaper, preserve the original and people might learn some halfway decent English.

(And I also loathe German TV because they manage to change the aspect ratio of widescreen material to 4:3. WTF? We're living in 2006! Not only that they cut up to 20% of the screen, they're turning action TV series into fucking character dramas!)

Now imagine my overwhelming glee when I bought Oblivion and found out that there's no way to switch the language to English.
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Re: English
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2006, 11:56:18 am »
Just for the sake of translation, they kill the atmosphere of the original show.

QFT. I prefer watching anime and the pwnage jet-li films when they are just subbed, not dubbed. Because otherwise when its dubbed, they miss a bunch of stuff and/or misinterpret some meanings. So you lose the feel the show/film originally had.

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Re: English
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2006, 03:07:03 pm »
However, I urge you all to watch Cool Runnings dubbed into French.

Funniest.Shit.Ever.

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Re: English
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2006, 04:12:50 pm »
That's why subtitled anime is FTW. Also just prefer the whole feel of it subtitled.

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Re: English
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2006, 01:11:49 am »
Dubs suck, 'nuff said about that.

Personnally, though, I'd say you Germans are luckier than the inhabitants of some eastern-European countries.
I got both German and lots of eastern European channels, and at least some of the German channels have decent dubs. The eastern European channels (the ones I got, that is) usually have only one person doing the dubs, and it's usually a person not even trying to make it sound good. When they do try, it often sounds even worse. Imagine a Bruce Lee movie, dubbed by a Romanian, who completely lacks acting talents, but is still trying to do Bruce Lee's signature screams.
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Re: English
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2006, 09:20:51 am »
This is one of the biggest reasons for me to download software instead of buying. I want english!
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Re: English
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2006, 01:36:39 pm »
it's more engrish in these forums than english :) and do they speak english in germany? :O