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San Andreas ruling
« on: July 22, 2005, 08:53:39 am »
http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=36683&subsectionid=1584

I guess its a pretty big topic now over the pond. And it'll be brought up over here too at some point I assume. Honestly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Singles has better sex scene that this. Although it raises the bigger question: Should code not designed to be in-game be removed, sent for rating, or just left as it is? Is the rating system working? Thoughts?

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2005, 09:11:51 am »
Well, it should be removed. But the guys had a deadline so, it's quicker to comment out a few lines.

The game has violence out in the open, I don't see why anyone is concerned with sex scenes in that context.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2005, 09:24:50 am »
Interesting questions.  But honestly, anyone that both owns GTA: SA and is capable enough to download a mod will easily be able to find porno elsewhere.  I don't think this will be corrupting the minds of any youth.

Whether Rockstar should have hidden the code, well...  I don't think they intended anything malicious.  Probably just laziness on their part.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2005, 09:58:28 am »
I wholeheartedly agree with the AO rating, but I don't agree that they bumped it up due to a mod. They rated it M based on what could be accessed during a normal playthrough, I think it should stay that way.
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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 10:14:44 am »
From Penny Arcade:

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It's unfortunate that in order to defend videogames, it usually means you're defending Rockstar specifically.

Parents usually receive the brunt of the gamer assault, and their responsibility is real, but numerically they're buying the Goddamn things. This Hot Coffee "mod" - which by now people who are not gamers or politicians know about - essentially means that publishers, developers, and parents aren't at parity, because they're apparently willing to sneak this shit into games under cover of night and get rated on the marginally cleaner subset. It's not "fair play." The code is in there, and even if you have to perform some kind of obscure dance to bring it to the fore, that's an academic matter when a game - or an entire medium - becomes ordnance in the culture war.

The ESRB is suggesting that they may change the rating of the game to Adults Only, a category that by their own definition should see a great deal more use in a retail environment. This is great. Look at the descriptions for these.

MATURETitles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language.

Or, as the rest of our culture calls it, "Rated R." Check out AO.

ADULTS ONLY Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

This can't seriously be their distinction. The scenes are longer? I played Resident Evil 4 nearly 26 hours, all told. I'm going to say that maybe nineteen hours of it was spent looking down the iron sights at humanoids. The reality is that once a person is 18, a violent videogame is fairly minor in the spectrum of "adult" content available to that person. Looking over my collection, if the duration of the violence is the distinguishing factor, I'm trying to figure out what purpose Mature serves other than to remove the stigma from otherwise "adult" content and grease the wheels at retail.

I don't like being strident or suggesting that the ESRB is fundamentally unserious about rating content in an effective way that our society recognizes - but they'd better have some fucking answers on-hand to deal with this shit. There's no question that the industry is beset by career opportunists and lazy people willing to outsource their responsibilities as parents, but the pronounced winking and looking the other way on the industry side of the equation won't fly with this level of scrutiny en route.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2005, 12:35:46 pm »
they're.... video game characters... they're all... you know... pixelly, and shit. *shudder*

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2005, 08:28:52 pm »
I’m certain that it was a marketing stunt. As far as I’ve read it, there wasn’t only code, but also fitting sound samples for the scenes left in the game. To me this indicates that the content was left on purpose. I could imagine that developers have tons of tools like dependency checkers to prevent that from happening incidentally.
But the marketing effect for the game is immense – and in the best case virtually free for the company, whereas conventional marketing would devour millions of dollars. It’s also quite suspicious that the mod (isn’t hack more appropriate?) was released after the hype created by conventional advertising ebbed away.
It’s just a method of Guerrilla marketing employed by a large company. They have left the content and gave the guy who made the mod a hint at the right time.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2005, 03:38:04 am »
Could be evil marketing.  Looks like it's not working so well, short-term at least.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2005, 10:15:45 am »
I'm not so sure that it is marketing. I mean, its easier to make a little code saying 'ignore this bit' than it is removing it. But then I don't know how its affected actual sales in America.

However, we're all now being made well aware that Sims 2 is the real evil http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2005, 10:23:57 am »
I just think it's so funny that americans think it's worse to see nudity than seeing people get shot and run over by cars.

The game is all about being a criminal and shows tons of violence, even if there's no blood I think that should count more when you consider if it's appropriate for kids.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2005, 12:34:33 pm »
http://www.teamxbox.com/

look on the front page, loads of shops have started pulling gta from their shelves... i think that is really quite pathetic.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2005, 02:49:17 pm »
Tomb Raider Legend looks hot O_O

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2005, 04:00:59 pm »
I'm not so sure that it is marketing. I mean, its easier to make a little code saying 'ignore this bit' than it is removing it. But then I don't know how its affected actual sales in America.

However, we're all now being made well aware that Sims 2 is the real evil http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html


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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2005, 04:17:24 pm »
I wish to kick that man in the head.

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Re: San Andreas ruling
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2005, 05:50:52 pm »
HAHA, look at that screen shot of the woman bathing. The kid in the background is watching XD

Horny little bugger.


Ah yes, and this comes to mind as well...http://www.zestuff.com/product_image.php?imageid=111
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